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NPD Sales Results for November 2014 [Up3: NPD Data Error, AC:U #5]
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....You just realized that? :lol
Femmeworth
Banned
If he is one, he was super dedicated.
He was temporarily banned when he double downed on his Titanfall claims even after devs confirmed he was wrong.
Mass Effect
Member
It's pretty amazing that the Xbox almost cut the gap in half in a single month. And Xbox will probably outsell the PS4 by 200k or so for Dec. If they do that, they will have cut the 1 million to under 500K, maybe even less, in only two month. That's pretty crazy.
Of course, it came at the cost of profitability more than likely, but it's now very possible that they could completely shift the momentum long term.
Of course, it came at the cost of profitability more than likely, but it's now very possible that they could completely shift the momentum long term.
shinobi602
Member
I thought it'd at least overtake the Gamecube initially.
Beer Monkey
Member
Random thoughts:
1) None of these holiday price cuts on identical SKUS match PS2 and Xbox in May 2002, when they cut 33% off the price of their regular systems, no bundle games. $300 to $200 = 33% cut. Kinectless X1 was $399, it got cut to $329-$349 cash minimum expenditure and PS4 got cut to $349. Forget the games, minimum cash expediture for the systems got cut less than 25%. There's a lot of talk about unprecedented price cuts, that just isn't the whole truth. Regular consumers do not have the opportunity to walk in and buy one of these systems for 2/3 of the price it had previously been selling at. Not everybody values these games that highly because they aren't necessarily the games they want to play. We've seen bigger price cuts before (permanent, even), and we likely will again.
EDIT: Was thinking of the PS4 with $50 gift card at certain retailers, never mind, I apologize.
2) Most of the time I pick up my Wii U I launch it with the pro controller. The gamepad sits in a cradle behind my TV and I fish it out for the rare game that requires it or to use the store or control panel settings. Why on earth they didn't code this thing to allow a no-gamepad-SKU is completely lost on me. Oh, Nintendo.
3) Vita fire sale in January? I want a slim.
1) None of these holiday price cuts on identical SKUS match PS2 and Xbox in May 2002, when they cut 33% off the price of their regular systems, no bundle games. $300 to $200 = 33% cut. Kinectless X1 was $399, it got cut to $329-$349 cash minimum expenditure and PS4 got cut to $349. Forget the games, minimum cash expediture for the systems got cut less than 25%. There's a lot of talk about unprecedented price cuts, that just isn't the whole truth. Regular consumers do not have the opportunity to walk in and buy one of these systems for 2/3 of the price it had previously been selling at. Not everybody values these games that highly because they aren't necessarily the games they want to play. We've seen bigger price cuts before (permanent, even), and we likely will again.
EDIT: Was thinking of the PS4 with $50 gift card at certain retailers, never mind, I apologize.
2) Most of the time I pick up my Wii U I launch it with the pro controller. The gamepad sits in a cradle behind my TV and I fish it out for the rare game that requires it or to use the store or control panel settings. Why on earth they didn't code this thing to allow a no-gamepad-SKU is completely lost on me. Oh, Nintendo.
3) Vita fire sale in January? I want a slim.
Mass Effect
Member
Really just now realizing that? It's inevitable at this point. There's absolutely nothing they can do.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
i dont see this happening. i see ninty just biting the bullet this gen and launch a new system by 16-17. the lowest i see wiiu ever hitting is $199.
MaulerX
Member
So we have XB1 @ 1.2 million: http://www.geekwire.com/2014/xbox-o...ember-topping-ps4-wii-u-early-holiday-battle/
That was confirmed by a tweet from an editor at the Verge.
We know Wii U's numbers pretty much from Nintendo's PR.
Creamsugar is highly reputable and when he released the pie chart everything made perfect sense. The #'s you see are pretty much spot on.
travisbickle
Member
Negative news, full stop, blows up more. Look at pre-launch games, released media that looks rough leads to pages and pages of comments. Then someone posts a direct feed that looks great and the topic falls off the front page within an hour.
Boombloxer
Member
Yatōkiri_Kilgharrah;142919560 said:
"A lot to play" is arguable.
There's nothing there that interests me, personally.
It's really hard to understate how hard this failure is. Nintendo's PS3 isn't close.
Yup. Doesn't matter if you are Sony/MS/Nintendo.
The UK gap wasn't huge, CBoat perhaps meant that? Though I'm not sure it's even that much.
Beer Monkey
Member
EDIT: Was thinking of the PS4 with $50 gift card at certain retailers, was confused.
DidntKnowJack
Member
I think they're both officially $399...? I could be wrong there, but its so hard to follow anymore because every day (it seems) there's a new, limited time offer/sale price. Especially on the XB1. But the PS4 reg price is $399 for sure in the US.
lolosgolos
Banned
After many months of speculation on PS4 success such as the GPU, RAM, Mind share, the futuristic design, word of mouth and better multiplats. It all comes down to one simple overlooked answer which was PRICE
$349 for XBO for November and December, but they will keep the price in January I bet.
Overlooked? Come on.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
I don't know how you're getting those numbers but the percentages look wrong.
MaulerX
Member
DidntKnowJack
Member
I don't think that tells the whole story, but it played a role, yeah.
But I think the XB1 DRM backlash played just as big a role, certainly within the first 10 months or so.
edit: I think maybe I'm not understanding this guy's point. Oh well.
Question is, how long will that last before PS4 starts outselling Xbox One again in NA?
Price drops, while they certainly help consoles that are underperforming in sales, only provides a temporary boost. Afterwards, it starts wearing off. History has shown that time & time again.
If that were the case they would have been selling the same amount since X1 became $399.
Sure, if you look at it in the most narrow and simplistic view.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I cannot even comprehend the awfulness of the Wii U numbers. On the busiest shopping month with a huge game release.
what a disaster.
apart from the non existent third party support I have mostly come to think the console is fine... it is the marketing and the platform itself.
what a disaster.
apart from the non existent third party support I have mostly come to think the console is fine... it is the marketing and the platform itself.
DidntKnowJack
Member
theSlacker
Member
Made it about 40 pages after seeing cboats claim and that he was banned trying to find out when the real number difference got reveled. Guess it's just easier to ask here at the end. How much did Xbone win by?
Megatron
Member
That was probably the main thing, but you can't over look the exclusives. Even with its issues, the mcc sold a bunch of xb1's.
Nightengale
Member
If price was the only factor, WiiU would've won. Or MS would've won in July when they started bundling Forza 5 with XB1 @399.
Value perception is the answer.
329/49 XB1 with 2 popular games > 399 PS4 with no game > 399 XB1 with Forza or Madden.
I think it's important to note how many 360's were sold and how many 360 games sold as well. I'm sure the majority of the 360 owners without a current gen console will move onto the Xbox One over time. Not all of them of course, but a pretty big majority considering their investments in Xbox Live.
I just wish there were some hard numbers on which consoles last gem users preferred this gen. Is like to see how many "jumped ship" and if 360 owners are just holding out longer to move onto the One.
I just wish there were some hard numbers on which consoles last gem users preferred this gen. Is like to see how many "jumped ship" and if 360 owners are just holding out longer to move onto the One.
DidntKnowJack
Member
Estimated difference is 400K.
What he probably meant was 710K LTD dif (which sounds about right) but of course it wasn't appropriate place to post lol. It lead him getting banned for a few month.
Yup
It's more about, games+pricing.
People want to have fun playing games and Xbox one has fun games. That and coupled with the pricing made them win.
theSlacker
Member
Thanks, that does sound like a ton. Price cut paid off then. Those are WW numbers I assume?
Most consumers are not "invested" in an online service, but will move on to where their friends are and word of mouth.
NPD is North America.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
These are the numbers I'm using, give or take 2k.
well, MS made a grave mistake with that and Sony took the gift... It will be a close race in US and in UK in 2015
us numbers
serversurfer
Member
I was actually wondering about that bundle. That's the "unlimited stock" BF bundle, right? Do we have any idea how many of those vouchers were sold? Reading the fine print, it sounded like it rang up as an XBone purchase and also a Halo purchase since it's a store bundle? with delivery promised by Christmas. However, you needed to go online by like Dec. 2nd to actually verify you wanted the XBone. If you changed your mind or failed to act, the amount charged for the bundle would automatically be converted to a gift card of equal value.
So, do we know how many of those there were sold in November, and will the unclaimed console be counted as returns in December, or what? Are they listed as a separate SKU in the NPD report? I thought someone was saying they would be, but maybe that was just in Walmart's internal system.
Anyway, it was kind of an unusual offer, so I'm wondering how it went down.
I still had hope until I saw those numbers. I honestly expected more than 400k.
I think it's time Nintendo dropped the price. I'm not talking about "100$ or still too much" nonsense people constantly speak, I just think the good holiday deals like 250$ with Mario 3D World and Nintendo Land should an official thing.
Also perhaps the 8GB white one with just Nintendo Land for 150$.