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Halo 5: Guardians |OT2| All Hail The Conquering Hero

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Trup1aya

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NullPointer said:
I know about RNG and I know about REQ, but I didn't know that weapons like no-need-for-headshot-sniper rifles and other super weapons were in the mix as well.

How un-Halo can you get?

And I know you find negativity annoying, but its just as annoying to see "it's only Warzone" in response. Warzone is the one big new mode that looked promising in Halo 5 and even Destiny PvP looks like it offers more balance. Never would have imagined that. Hopefully you don't find yourself reading "its only Arena" if that mode ever heads in similar direction.

No worries though. I'm done now. Enjoy yourselves.
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It doesn't really feel un-halo to me. It's an expansion of halo's playground...

The classic halo stuff is still there, in arena. Now Halo offers a mode where the boundaries are less restrictive.

As far as balance is concerned, I haven't seen anything that would make this worse that Destiny. Getting Spartan kills alone is pretty inconsequential to the outcome of a Warzone match. And having a weapon that deals a lot of damage doesn't guaruntee boss kill rewards.
 
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WickedLaharl

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pieface said:
First game of BTB today, 2 people quit/disconnect within the first minute of Strongholds on Headlong. WTF, the decision to remove JIP is an absolute joke. Especially with so many people having connectivity problems.
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it seems like not a single fuck was given when designing btb
 
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Team Klimt

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WickedLaharl said:
it seems like not a single fuck was given when designing btb
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There were a million people complaining that BTB had jip when it launched. It got removed. A million other people started camplaining.

What's a dev to do? Can't have both. I think the jip's should just fight the non-jip's in the parking lot after school today.
 
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Montresor

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NullPointer said:
Jesus. Halo, what happened to you?
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NullPointer said:
I know about RNG and I know about REQ, but I didn't know that weapons like no-need-for-headshot-sniper rifles and other super weapons were in the mix as well.

How un-Halo can you get?

And I know you find negativity annoying, but its just as annoying to see "it's only Warzone" in response. Warzone is the one big new mode that looked promising in Halo 5 and even Destiny PvP looks like it offers more balance. Never would have imagined that. Hopefully you don't find yourself reading "its only Arena" if that mode ever heads in similar direction.

No worries though. I'm done now. Enjoy yourselves.
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Man, how do you look at a video like that and get so down about the game. I looked at that video and thought "That looks cool as hell - would be really fun to get that weapon drop in Warzone".

If you saw a video of someone playing Team Slayer in Halo 5, I have a feeling you might say "This feels like old school Halo. Equal starts, high time-to-kill, good stuff all around". And that is the problem with taking a Warzone video out of context and saying "Halo, what happened to you?" when the Arena mode in this game is by all accounts pretty damn balanced and when the campaign itself is ace.
 
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yankeehater

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Team Klimt said:
There were a million people complaining that BTB had jip when it launched. It got removed. A million other people started camplaining.

What's a dev to do? Can't have both. I think the jip's should just fight the non-jip's in the parking lot after school today.
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Have 2 hoppers, one called BTBjip, and one called BTBnojip.
 
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Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Team Klimt said:
There were a million people complaining that BTB had jip when it launched. It got removed. A million other people started camplaining.

What's a dev to do? Can't have both. I think the jip's should just fight the non-jip's in the parking lot after school today.
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That's why we look at real data (quits etc) before making the change. this was sensible and gives us time to do more nuanced changes.
 
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Blueblur1

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I prefer it without join-in-progress. I don't want to be match made into a game that's already ongoing. Especially if I'm on the losing team. After qualifying I'm seeing a lot less people drop though. It may be that the lower tiers of players are filled with quitters which would make sense to me.
 
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link1201

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Blueblur1 said:
I prefer it without join-in-progress. I don't want to be match made into a game that's already ongoing. Especially if I'm on the losing team. After qualifying I'm seeing a lot less people drop though. It may be that the lower tiers of players are filled with quitters which would make sense to me.
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I have too, another reason I like the ranking system.
 
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shoreu

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NullPointer said:
I know about RNG and I know about REQ, but I didn't know that weapons like no-need-for-headshot-sniper rifles and other super weapons were in the mix as well.

How un-Halo can you get?

And I know you find negativity annoying, but its just as annoying to see "it's only Warzone" in response. Warzone is the one big new mode that looked promising in Halo 5 and even Destiny PvP looks like it offers more balance. Never would have imagined that. Hopefully you don't find yourself reading "its only Arena" if that mode ever heads in similar direction.

No worries though. I'm done now. Enjoy yourselves.
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Not even close no matter what you have i can always kill you with my starting loadout. I don't care how much money you spend on the game that's always going to be a fact, and since they make so you can't have super powerful things early makes it far more balanced that that easy snipeing, super-using, shotgun-running, campfest of a game. The games PvP wise aren't even close on any level.
 
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Spasm

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Stinkles said:
That's why we look at real data (quits etc) before making the change. this was sensible and gives us time to do more nuanced changes.
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What are the actual stats on BTB games that end with all 16 players still on board? I would guess percentage in single-digits.
 
Leyasu

Leyasu

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Stinkles said:
That's why we look at real data (quits etc) before making the change. this was sensible and gives us time to do more nuanced changes.
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Could you also look at why US servers are still getting selected for European players please?? I'm currently in one as I type this.

It was great for a week but now its gone to shit..
 
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DagnastyEp

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shoreu said:
I still don't understand why pegasus is in game...
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Pegasus is definitely my least favorite map by far, not just because of aesthetic reasons.

On a positive note, I feel like map rotation has improved since launch, where I was typically playing Pegasus what felt like 3 times per 5 games. Though, in 67 arena mp games since launch, I've still only played Eden once.
 
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BraXzy

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I made some BTB JiP suggestions a couple days ago, probably not the perfect solution but it doesn't hurt to throw ideas out, right? :3

https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/3tqe2y/how_to_best_solve_the_btb_join_in_progress_issue/

Nevermind, the ultimate solution was posted already.

Team Klimt said:
There were a million people complaining that BTB had jip when it launched. It got removed. A million other people started camplaining.

What's a dev to do? Can't have both. I think the jip's should just fight the non-jip's in the parking lot after school today.
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NullPointer

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Montresor said:
Man, how do you look at a video like that and get so down about the game. I looked at that video and thought "That looks cool as hell - would be really fun to get that weapon drop in Warzone".
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Not sure what I'm taking out of context from that video. Its a 12 round, 4 shot cartridge, semi-auto sniper rifle primary that can kill from a single hit to any location at extreme range, and zooming in keeps the motion tracker visible. That's about as unbalanced as it can get in Halo, and drop rarity doesn't make it any more fair when that rarity can be mitigated with deep pockets. If I was on the other side of these engagements I'd probably just bail out at that point.

I'm not posting to diminish your fun, just pointing out that stuff like this eliminates any desire I had to jump back into Warzone, just as people posted their thoughts about Halo 4 multiplayer aspects they didn't find to be very Halo-ish and that kept them away.

Have a nice day, happy fragging and have a great Thanksgiving everyone.
 
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Ninja Sharingan

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Stinkles said:
That's why we look at real data (quits etc) before making the change. this was sensible and gives us time to do more nuanced changes.
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Just want to say Stinkles that I adore this game! You guys deserve a lot of praise for making the best playing Halo game in years. BTB is great even with Forge maps. The campaign was great, even tho I got some serious rage at one boss fight on legendary.

Think Locke is great, a few slip ups maybe in the campaign story wise, but me and my friends had an absolute blast playing co op.

Dont want to sound like I am sucking up too much, but I have seen negativity, which is fine for people to express. Just wanted to state that there are people that have played halo for years as well, that totally love halo 5.

Many thanks :)
 
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Ryde3

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I know it was removed by request, but I really think we need JIP for BTB... if the reasoning was ranking, remove the ranking. I have a quitter every time and it's a real drag. (more maps too please!)
 
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Trup1aya

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NullPointer said:
Not sure what I'm taking out of context from that video. Its a 12 round, 4 shot cartridge, semi-auto sniper rifle primary that can kill from a single hit to any location at extreme range, and zooming in keeps the motion tracker visible. That's about as unbalanced as it can get in Halo, and drop rarity doesn't make it any more fair when that rarity can be mitigated with deep pockets. If I was on the other side of these engagements I'd probably just bail out at that point.

I'm not posting to diminish your fun, just pointing out that stuff like this eliminates any desire I had to jump back into Warzone, just as people posted their thoughts about Halo 4 multiplayer aspects they didn't find to be very Halo-ish and that kept them away.

Have a nice day, happy fragging and have a great Thanksgiving everyone.
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I think the problem with halo 4 was that they made changes to the games balancing that encompassed the entire MP game. They didn't add to the playground, tore the playground down and built a new one.

If infinity gametypes with Loadouts and such were just an option IN ADDITION to classic halo, I don't think anyone would have complained.

Warzone is simply an addition to the playground. If you want to have a more chaotic, less predicable experience for a spell, Warzone is cool. If you don't, they've got you covered too.

Warzone doesn't lack Halo-ness, it's an addition to halo.
 
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Diablohead

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Where did my post go?

I'll say again, recurve would be more bareable if there was no sniper nest at the top middle with choke points to get in there, swap out the sniper with something like rockets or a turret mount and it would be a lot nicer.

Still a bad map though.
 
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IHaveIce

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Speedy Blue Dude said:
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I'M DONE. I'M FINALLY DONE. ;~;

i champion my halos like i champion my grillfriend, 69 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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you became very good I give you that.

But don't pretend like you get girls breh.

Now follow tashi's advice and play at tournaments
 
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im_dany

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They need to do something about the first 10 matches ranks. I'm Diamond and I'm tired of being paired with people that barely knows how to shoot.

The next time I see a Diamond spamming AR from long distances I may go back to H2A lol
 
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Madness

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ryan299 said:
Kotaku shits on 343 for their campaigns and story telling and they're totally right.
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I actually agreed with a lot of what was said here. The story and characters and motives the worst part of H5 for me. Campaign is decently enough designed with its level variety and enemy encounters save for the 'multiplying' and overuse of someone near the end.
 
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FUNKNOWN iXi

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Locke and Fireteam Osiris were unnecessary. Halo 5 should have been all Blue Team and their grand return, with
Cortana's reveal
at the end of the game to setup for H6. This whole hunting of MC was silly because who in their right mind would have ever believed MC to be a traitor? That was never an interesting plot point to lead into Halo 5, but served as great extended fiction material for Hunt The Truth which is what it should have stayed as.
 
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Montresor

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NullPointer said:
Not sure what I'm taking out of context from that video. Its a 12 round, 4 shot cartridge, semi-auto sniper rifle primary that can kill from a single hit to any location at extreme range, and zooming in keeps the motion tracker visible. That's about as unbalanced as it can get in Halo, and drop rarity doesn't make it any more fair when that rarity can be mitigated with deep pockets. If I was on the other side of these engagements I'd probably just bail out at that point.

I'm not posting to diminish your fun, just pointing out that stuff like this eliminates any desire I had to jump back into Warzone, just as people posted their thoughts about Halo 4 multiplayer aspects they didn't find to be very Halo-ish and that kept them away.

Have a nice day, happy fragging and have a great Thanksgiving everyone.
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Those are all 100% valid points but "What happened to Halo" - that's all I had an issue with. Campaign + Arena are still like classic Halo, even if Warzone is a departure.
 
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Trup1aya

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ryan299 said:
Kotaku shits on 343 for their campaigns and story telling and they're totally right.
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I agree with much of this article, but not all of it.

Master Chief was always the walking embodiment of a war crime. I don't think focusing on that is such a bad idea, considering the Covenant, whose arrival was a great distraction from the true reason for the Spartan program, is all but dead.

In fact, I think all of the tension in the universe, between ONI, Outer Colonies, and remaining alien factions prior to Halo 5 was wasted in this effort to hastily make
Cortana a bad guy.

I'm also ok with Cortana being a bad guy, but I feel like they should have let the idea brew for a game or two. Maybe by having her stop and all out war between the aformentioned factions with her own show of force.
 
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Jinaar

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ryan299 said:
Kotaku shits on 343 for their campaigns and story telling and they're totally right.
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See I never understood this.

HALO 1 - All I knew was that there were enemies in front of my gun to kill.
HALO 2 - Sequel to Little Shop of Horrors. No idea what was still happening story wise. GRAVEMINDDDDDD!
HALO 3 - Chief does a Reverse Jesus and resurrects downward instead of upwards. I remember a Scarab Tank sequence. What was happening again? What's a Forerunner?

I think 343 gets a pass for what Bungie did to my brain. FROM SOFTWARE Dark Souls/Bloodborne games are easier to understand.
 
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