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[FStubbs]

The PS4 was 1.8 Teraflops to the Xbox One's 1.3.
The PS4 Pro then jumped to 4.2 Teraflops and the Xbox One X jumped to over 6 - about the same power as a RX 580.

The biggest, baddest graphics card out there right now is the RTX 2080Ti, which checks in at over 13 Teraflops - a little over twice what the Xbox One X is capable of. (To be fair, Nvidia Teraflops are worth a bit more than AMD teraflops so it might be more than a little over twice). AMD's Vega 64 is 12.6, about double the Xbox One X.

Are we really looking at merely doubling the Xbox One X next gen? And how expensive will it be to double that level of power?

 

[grumpyGamer]

Well you need to think about it the other way around.
First thing tbat matters is price and than specs.
The is no point in making a super console that is 1000 dollars.

I think next gen will improve power using software as a basis and optimisation a lot more.

Maybe some kind of magical juice from sony and ms.

If they only go hardware they will have a hard time making it cheap.
And that is my two cents

 

[Gander]

I'm concerned not many games will actually take advantage of the hardware.

 

[RoboFu]

Well if the Xbox x is anything to go by ... a pretty big leap from the base consoles. But it won’t seem like it unless raytracing gets added.

 

[MightySquirrel]

Well 2080 Ti is roughly twice faster than Vega 64. [~75-80%]

Don't expect next gen to be faster than Vega 64 or you'll be greatly disappointed.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

If they get actually decent CPUs then it will be a huge leap

 

[RScrewed]

10-15 teraflops is my estimate

 

[Tesseract]

not very, anyone expecting something like a 2080 ti is probably in for disappointment

the most important thing will be cpus imo, a lot of engines are getting really heavy on usage

 

[Jubenhimer]

In my opinion, not big. I think we're in for possibly the least significant leap in graphics next gen, even more so than last gen. We're getting to the point where development and manufacturing costs of these high end graphics and specs are giving less and less return. A good majority of people are perfectly fine with sticking to their base PS4s for a few more years, even after next gen arrives. I think current gen consoles will be supported for a lot longer than many people think.

 

[BPoole]

I think Sony/MS will make it so the consoles are upgradeable. It would make more sense for them to do that rather than another thing like the PS4 Pro or One X, since those just flood the market with used consoles

 

[DonF]

2 times as powerful as the Xbox one X

 

[DeepEnigma]

Pretty substantial if 10-12TF is the baseline, along with a far better CPU and probably 3x the memory bandwidth.

 

[120v]

the console market reached its equilibrium where >$500 power boxes are a non starter and yet you can't cheap out either. so i expect the same leap from gen 7 to gen 8, not super impressive out of the gate but a good enough baseline to iterate upon. maybe tilt it towards more of a leap with VR and 4K being expected out of the box but not a whole lot

 

[bitbydeath]

Well if the Xbox x is anything to go by ... a pretty big leap from the base consoles. But it won’t seem like it unless raytracing gets added.

I dunno. The ray-tracing videos didn’t look very good unless you’re deeply into shadows and reflections. If that’s the best it can do and consumes a ton power to do so then it’s probably better that power be set aside for something else. Like split-screen gaming.

 

[Solarstrike]

All i know is if whatever it is, is liquid cooled, you know it'll be a monster. Especially if no onboard Blu-ray/DVD drive. More room for power and cooling?

 

[Aurelian]

I think it'll be a big step up... to some extent, it has to be.

The main goal: 4K native resolution while still providing a noticeable improvement in level of detail. That's going to require a lot of GPU power compared to what we know today, and CPUs fast enough to avoid bottlenecks.

Beyond that... well, I'd really like to see solid-state storage, but I'm not sure that's feasible even for 2020 or 2021. These days 1TB is arguably the minimum, and I'm sure that's going to swell to 2TB or larger at the rate games are growing. And yeah, SSD prices are dropping, but not so rapidly that 1TB or 2TB will work for a console that costs $399 or even $499.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

I'm not sure on what Sony will do, but Xbox 5 will be a noticeable leap over Xbox One.

With the PS5 I'm just not sure if Sony have the engineering chops to maintain PS4 BC AND make a console powerful enough to be a noticeable leap over the PS4.

I full admit I'm not very technically savvy when it comes to this kind of thing and I'm basing my speculation on nothing more than the PS4 Pro. Cerny himself basically said part of the reason the Pro is just a PS4 with an extra GPU duct taped to it is to make sure BC with base PS4 isn't broken.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I think the visual discrepancy will not be as vast as a lot of people are hoping for honestly. Imo, the mid generation consoles will make the next generation consoles seem even less impressive since they have 4K or checkerboarding available for a decent selection of games. They will be pretty powerful and nice, but an immense generational i would imagine. I’m hoping for things like more realistic hair, clothes, lighting and better frame rates, but I’m keeping my expectations low.

Also, since 98% of games will be multi platform anyway, I’m not expecting too many developers to take full advantage of the console’s power.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

10tf seems like a good guess. I could go as high as 12. I think more than that is wishful thinking.

 

[FearlessBelgian]

Nothing crazy like real 4K gaming with ultra low quality ray tracing and same graphics like today with better textures, shadows and lightning...

 

[DiscoJer]

What we have now, but in 4k. 4k TVs are getting ridiculously cheap, but there's really not much content to be had for 4k. Gaming could fill that void.

I honestly don't think anyone will ever actually notice raytracing.

 

[Danjin44]

People who are hoping to get 4K 60FPS with Ray tracing and advance AI as standard will disappointed. Most AAA developers use that extra power to make their games more pretty and shiny and create bigger open world because these are much more marketable than advance AI and higher FPS.

 

[magnumpy]

teraflops is an old way of looking at things. nvidia claims the 2080 is capable of like 20 gigarays right ?_?

oops, 10 gigarays for the 2080

 

[Leonidas]

The graphics jump compared to Xbox One X will be the smallest jump we've ever seen.

 

[KINGMOKU]

Depends on when they actually launch, and in what fashion they actually arrive. The switch has shifted things under the feet of sony and Microsoft and is a genuine game changer.

We'll see, but the one that interests me the most is Nintendo. We all know what we are going to get with the other two. Powerful set top boxes unless they hop on the hybrid bandwagon(I would kill for a xbox hybrid).

I wonder what the absolute maximum Nintendo could smash into switch2 if it launches 2 years after the other 2.

All I know is I have purchased the most games I ever have on the switch. The ability to game at home, or on the go without it being a dumped down game, is intoxicating.

 

[Zog]

The switch has shifted things under the feet of sony and Microsoft and is a genuine game changer.

Like the Wii did? Maybe they will follow in the path of the Wii to Wii U. Switch to Switch Back LOL.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

It will be like this gen. same games with shinier graphics only in 4K. No major leap really.

I guess a much better CPU will be the biggest difference but it depends what they do with it. Maybe lots more games go for 60fps. Or instead effort is put into things like physics, AI etc

 

[bitbydeath]

I'm not sure on what Sony will do, but Xbox 5 will be a noticeable leap over Xbox One.

Heh, you'd hope so.

 

[Velius]

To be honest I consider it a technical feat that the One X's GPU is 50% as powerful as the current most powerful one on the market. I'm not being sarcastic. When was Scorpio released? Almost a year ago. And consoles never come out with state of the art cards.

I know not too long ago I was asking for advice on which to get, Pro or X, but I did get both and I'm happy I did.

 

[Blue Apple]

I just want 1080 60FPS.

 

[Stuart360]

7-10tf imo. These people that keep saying stuff like 15-20tf in various threads are dreaming imo.
How much more powerful can they realistically be compared to the X, while producing a cheaper console.
The real advantage will be a good quality cpu (hopefully), but gpu power wont be double the X, and you can quote me on that lol.

 

[HeresJohnny]

I am willing to bet that the new systems will nearly double the power of the X for less money. It'll be a no brainer to upgrade and it will effectively kill the X unless Microsoft is wise enough to do some substantial price cutting on the X, but at that point why bother? Why bother trying to get an old system at price parity with new systems that are twice as powerful? This is why mid generation upgrades aren't the best idea imo.

 

[Stuart360]

I am willing to bet that the new systems will nearly double the power of the X for less money. It'll be a no brainer to upgrade and it will effectively kill the X unless Microsoft is wise enough to do some substantial price cutting on the X, but at that point why bother? Why bother trying to get an old system at price parity with new systems that are twice as powerful? This is why mid generation upgrades aren't the best idea imo.

Imo the X, and possibly the Pro, will get cut down versions of next gen games, well into next gen.

 

[HeresJohnny]

Imo the X, and possibly the Pro, will get cut down versions of next gen games, well into next gen.

Possibly, but if both systems cost the same or only slightly less than the new hardware, I don't see them being around long.

 

[EDMIX]

I just want 1080 60FPS.

That will always be up to the developer. The system Sony and MS make will be irrelevant to that want for the most part

 

[Stuart360]

Possibly, but if both systems cost the same or only slightly less than the new hardware, I don't see them being around long.

Oh yeah for sure, but the X and the Pro will probably be half the price they are now, after next gen launches. Selling games and services are where Sony and Microsoft make the real money, so i'm sure they will do some great X/Pro deals after next gen launches.

 

[HeresJohnny]

Oh yeah for sure, but the X and the Pro will probably be half the price they are now, after next gen launches. Selling games and services are where Sony and Microsoft make the real money, so i'm sure they will do some great X/Pro deals after next gen launches.

But the other issue at hand is that both companies would then have their own hardware potentially stymying the arrival of true next gen hardware, which could be a very dangerous game for both to play if they weren't careful.

 

[Stuart360]

But the other issue at hand is that both companies would then have their own hardware potentially stymying the arrival of true next gen hardware, which could be a very dangerous game for both to play if they weren't careful.

Well even the base consoles will still get support for 1-2 yearslike what happened this gen. I just feel X and Pro users will get support much longer into next gen, possibly even the full generation. The real money is in game sales and services, not hardware units (where consoles are usually sold at a loss, except this gen) so will Micosoft and Sony really care if those games and service sales are on the base consoles, the X/Pro, or the next gen consoles?. Plus there are enough gamers that will always want the latest tech and will instantly buy next gen consoles at launch.

 

[WaterAstro]

Doesn't matter if the games don't use it, and Sony's studios have been using what they can real well.

 

[kingwingin]

Anything less than 10 tereflops will be a dissapointment

 

[HeresJohnny]

Well even the base consoles will still get support for 1-2 yearslike what happened this gen. I just feel X and Pro users will get support much longer into next gen, possibly even the full generation. The real money is in game sales and services, not hardware units (where consoles are usually sold at a loss, except this gen) so will Micosoft and Sony really care if those games and service sales are on the base consoles, the X/Pro, or the next gen consoles?. Plus there are enough gamers that will always want the latest tech and will instantly buy next gen consoles at launch.

I always have supposed that hardware companies want to migrate as many people as possible to the next generation because they need those numbers to make sense for dev support. After all, why make a PS5 version of a game if there are 100 million reliable PS4 owners waiting to buy software? The Pro and X bases are already enthusiast and are pretty much niche audiences. The real money is in moving all those tens of millions of PS4 and Xbone S owners to new hardware. Those buyers didn't buy in to either the Pro or the X, so what will make them jump into PS5 or the next Xbox if these other players are around muddying up the water? And the other issue is that the whole damn thing becomes too enthusiast oriented. I know people who can't tell the difference between the three new iPhones Apple just released, and that was if they were even open to spending a grand or more on a phone, which they aren't. The console companies might do well to remember that a congested business model might simply make the less hardcore simply ignore a purchase entirely, simply because they don't care enough to have to do a bunch of homework on what is what. One of the most important things people like us forget on forums like this one is that we really aren't indicative of the mindset of the overall market. We are generally lifers who will buy in regardless, but most of the country is not that way. Most could live without a gaming console if push came to shove, and they have to be enticed into buying one.

 

[JordanN]

I'm more worried about the memory.

Going from 8GB to possibly 12 or 16GB just doesn't feel like a gen leap. I never expected next gen consoles to pack top of line GPUs but I always believed at least 32GB of RAM at minimum should be the target.

Games will no doubt look better, but I imagine it's going to be like going from Dreamcast to a PS2.

But for the most part, I've kinda moved onto PC. In the past, it made a lot of sense to buy consoles for the visuals but now that PC is far more powerful, consoles are now catching up instead of surpassing them.

 

[Senhua]

Cannot wait to play 20 hours cinematic AAA 90+ meta games #5037 with subpar combat on 4k HDR at 60fps or the open worlds one with the doubled playtime.
Game creativity was dead at the moment ps3/360 launched which focused only for "HD" Graphic, detail and technical features.
Only Nintendo and several 3rd party still focused to make fun and engaging gameplay so for next gen I will all in to Nintendo and PC and maybe buy the refurbish ps5 pro at the end of the gen (8-10 years from now) and several used third party exclusives I interest enough to play.

 

[JORMBO]

I don't know much about tech specs. My uneducated guess is that next gen will not be as big as a leap as between previous gens, because of the mid generation refreshes. The X and Pro are still expensive and putting out really impressive looking games. If next gen is not too far away my thought is that it will be hard to have a massive leap over them.

 

[Stuart360]

I always have supposed that hardware companies want to migrate as many people as possible to the next generation because they need those numbers to make sense for dev support. After all, why make a PS5 version of a game if there are 100 million reliable PS4 owners waiting to buy software? The Pro and X bases are already enthusiast and are pretty much niche audiences. The real money is in moving all those tens of millions of PS4 and Xbone S owners to new hardware. Those buyers didn't buy in to either the Pro or the X, so what will make them jump into PS5 or the next Xbox if these other players are around muddying up the water? And the other issue is that the whole damn thing becomes too enthusiast oriented. I know people who can't tell the difference between the three new iPhones Apple just released, and that was if they were even open to spending a grand or more on a phone, which they aren't. The console companies might do well to remember that a congested business model might simply make the less hardcore simply ignore a purchase entirely, simply because they don't care enough to have to do a bunch of homework on what is what. One of the most important things people like us forget on forums like this one is that we really aren't indicative of the mindset of the overall market. We are generally lifers who will buy in regardless, but most of the country is not that way. Most could live without a gaming console if push came to shove, and they have to be enticed into buying one.

Good post. Yeah i feel base console users will mostly move to next gen over time. I just feel the niche nature of the X and Pro will mean they will get continued support, due to the fact that they aren't a threat to next gen. Plus the X and Pro must be into a few million sales between them by now, which i would of thought would be enough to continue getting support well into next gen. I feel next gen consoles at BEST will be twice as powerful as the X, and that kind of difference isnt big enough that cut down versions of next gen games cant be made for the X and Pro, it happened this gen with the PS3 and 360 and the difference there was much bigger than will be between the X/Pro and next gen consoles.

 

[visiblemode]

7-10tf imo. These people that keep saying stuff like 15-20tf in various threads are dreaming imo.
How much more powerful can they realistically be compared to the X, while producing a cheaper console.
The real advantage will be a good quality cpu (hopefully), but gpu power wont be double the X, and you can me on that lol.

7? Never. An X comparable GPU output isn’t going to happen, even with more features, ram and CPU power.

The mid-gen refresh was forced (MS was in a corner and Sony couldn’t give away that much power), and the CPU limitations a burden. This gen was a lesson they won’t soon forget. I expect considerable CPU/GPU power.

 

[Stuart360]

7? Never. An X comparable GPU output isn’t going to happen, even with more features, ram and CPU power.

The mid-gen refresh was forced (MS was in a corner and Sony couldn’t give away that much power), and the CPU limitations a burden. This gen was a lesson they won’t soon forget. I expect considerable CPU/GPU power.

Well i said 7-10, and i expect the next gen Xbox to be more powerful than PS5.
A 8tf gpu with 24gb of ram, and a good qualitry cpu, would feel like a nice jump over the X. I expect Microsoft to be closer to 10tf though.

 

[Vawn]

No more than the difference from Xbox One to 1X. I expect to see a couple years of cross-platform games, not really that different than what we have now with the mid generation refreshes.

 

[bitbydeath]

Well even the base consoles will still get support for 1-2 yearslike what happened this gen. I just feel X and Pro users will get support much longer into next gen, possibly even the full generation. The real money is in game sales and services, not hardware units (where consoles are usually sold at a loss, except this gen) so will Micosoft and Sony really care if those games and service sales are on the base consoles, the X/Pro, or the next gen consoles?. Plus there are enough gamers that will always want the latest tech and will instantly buy next gen consoles at launch.

Nah. It won't be as simple as reducing the resolution to 720p and calling it a day.
Considering these will have much bigger CPU's than last gen and games will most likely largely still be targeting 30FPS that means DEVs will need to work extra hard cutting pieces of the game out everywhere just for it to work.
Reduce enemy count, reduce specific AI segments, reduce split screen etc etc.

 

[Stuart360]

Nah. It won't be as simple as reducing the resolution to 720p and calling it a day.
Considering these will have much bigger CPU's than last gen and games will most likely largely still be targeting 30FPS that means DEVs will need to work extra hard cutting pieces of the game out everywhere just for it to work.
Reduce enemy count, reduce specific AI segments, reduce split screen etc etc.

Dude it happened this gen with the cross platform games, and the difference between the 360/ps3 and the XB1/PS4 was much bigger than the differece will be between the X/Pro and next gen consoles.