DeepEnigma
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That is a good point, and console makers tend to favor Samsung as well on that front. Plus the other partnerships beyond consoles with Sony and Samsung in the TV/Panel/Camera Imaging markets.
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That is a good point, and console makers tend to favor Samsung as well on that front. Plus the other partnerships beyond consoles with Sony and Samsung in the TV/Panel/Camera Imaging markets.
THE:MILKMAN
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Talking of sizes...I read earlier that some are guesstimating the Epyc 2 chiplets are ~74mm^2 so I guess if they are an indication of size for the next-gen console CPU (8-core) then I would think cache would need to be paired back to get close to OG PS4 Jaguar (~52mm^2)?
I assume my comparison is fair because these chiplets don't have I/O so are purely cores/cache.
I assume my comparison is fair because these chiplets don't have I/O so are purely cores/cache.
DeepEnigma
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Why would the cache need to be paired back?
demigod
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Here let me remind you, shared memory. Anything over 20GB for next gen will be overkill.
THE:MILKMAN
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Not need to as such but if the target was to use close to the same die space as PS4 did for the CPU then something would need to be paired back. I think it fair to say that the GPU takes precedent over the CPU when it comes to divvying up die space?
Dee Dah Dave
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Specs will be somewhere close but it's obviously a fake
Dabaus
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If sony wanted to steal Microsofts thunder theyd be a lot more deliberate and loud about it, in my opinion.
DeepEnigma
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I see what you are saying. Would there be a reason why they would not go with a larger die this time around?
the bigger the die the more the cost. xbox 1 original die was a bit more expensive than ps4 original because it was a bit bigger.
DeepEnigma
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I knew the cost aspect, I am just figuring in the overall long term, it should be lower due to the 7nm fab process.
THE:MILKMAN
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Just my personal opinion as a nobody that Sony will go pretty conservative/jack of all trades all round. They could do a lot of things and maybe they have some wow bits in there but overall I think PS5 will be just enough to keep on top.
Imtjnotu
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I'm hoping they do atleast 384-bit to future proof. That and 16 gigs should be some what affordable
mckmas8808
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The crazy thing is now is the time to go all in! PS+, PSNow, PS Network, PS Cable, and the PS4 all gives them the power and opportunity to take a risk.
THE:MILKMAN
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It might turn out you're right but right now my gut tells me they don't want to rock the boat=please as many as possible. Another Crazy Ken PS3 attempt could be a disaster.
On another note......are we going to get any confirmation/approval from Swizzle about this PS5 info or not?
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mckmas8808
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Oh yeah the worse thing they can do is do another Krazy Ken thing. But to not put in a UHD Blu-ray drive where we can at least watch 4K movies is crazy. And if it has to wait until 2020 then Sony should just wait.
DeepEnigma
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It will contain a UHD drive for disc storage I feel. Wether they add the codec is a different story (I still think they will).
THE:MILKMAN
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That's the thing. I feel Sony have moved away from doing a all round entertainment console. They are pure gaming since the PS4. Maybe with One S/X including UHD movie playback that spurs them on to put it in PS5 but I'm not banking on it.
DeepEnigma
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Eh, they are still entertainment, they just do not give it major focus like the past. Vue is still pushed, as well as Spotify and Netflix on the PS4.
Yes, games are the major focus, but I do not see them adding a UHD drive without the codec as well.
McCheese
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I can vouch that this is fake, whatever my 'vouch' is worth anyway.
There are no plans to talk about, leak or otherwise disclose anything related to the next generation PlayStation until Q1 next year. There are also no plans to launch it with any sort of out-of-the-box VR hardware. It won't even launch with a headset, but will support the existing one via the breakout box.
It will run most (but not all) PS4 titles, and it will have a spiritual successor to 'Boost mode' which will benefit games with a dynamic resolution or poor framerates. But nothing in regards to the patented resolution and model swap. That requires a pretty big overhaul of PSN, SDK support and additional firmware functionality. Too much overhead to consider adding to the PS4 for what will only be another 1~2 cycle of games.
So, not that exciting really.
Balls in Microsofts court at the moment, let's see what they announce at XO. They could really do with a good fighting game, and SEGA did just renew some trademarks..
There are no plans to talk about, leak or otherwise disclose anything related to the next generation PlayStation until Q1 next year. There are also no plans to launch it with any sort of out-of-the-box VR hardware. It won't even launch with a headset, but will support the existing one via the breakout box.
It will run most (but not all) PS4 titles, and it will have a spiritual successor to 'Boost mode' which will benefit games with a dynamic resolution or poor framerates. But nothing in regards to the patented resolution and model swap. That requires a pretty big overhaul of PSN, SDK support and additional firmware functionality. Too much overhead to consider adding to the PS4 for what will only be another 1~2 cycle of games.
So, not that exciting really.
Balls in Microsofts court at the moment, let's see what they announce at XO. They could really do with a good fighting game, and SEGA did just renew some trademarks..
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Freedom Gate Co.
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I' can confirm it's real and got hands on with it. It's going to coast $599, launch with ridge racer, you won't need a computer anymore because it's advanced, 4D, 120FPS, and it will use the newest AMD CPU's with the top Nvidia GPUS.
It can do movies, High Definition Digital Video Disc, music, it can do everything. Even historical games based on Japanese history. In fact it's so far ahead I'll pay anyone $1200 if they can find a PS5 on the shelf. If you can't buy one it's your fault your not rich, or you're too lazy to get two jobs. They'll hit Mircosoft and Nintendos weak point for massive damage.
It can do movies, High Definition Digital Video Disc, music, it can do everything. Even historical games based on Japanese history. In fact it's so far ahead I'll pay anyone $1200 if they can find a PS5 on the shelf. If you can't buy one it's your fault your not rich, or you're too lazy to get two jobs. They'll hit Mircosoft and Nintendos weak point for massive damage.
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mckmas8808
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What do you mean "another 1~2 cycle of games"?
SonGoku
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Exactly, its no water cooler its not something we aren't already using, its a nice thing to have for sure but won't make up for ram compromises
They aren't mutually exclusive you know? higher density chips are also the fastest, and the more chips you have the faster the configuration
You know what's better than 3x the bandwidth? 3x the bandwidth and 3x the memory pool, no asset swapping its gonna match that.
Let me remind you that the fastest gaming grade GPU on the market the year PS4 launched only had 3GB
Also nice strawmen, having more memory doesn't mean it has to have all the features of said card like rtx cores and tensor. No need to go that far just look at the PS4 era
I also don't think 2019 is the launch date
Precisely, i expect 8 cores. That's why i think 6 cores doesn't make sense
I want a GPU that's as big as the Pro/X were at launch, 11tf at 7nm its more conservative than that
Getting a beast pc doesn't fix games designed for lowest common denominator, i want a proper next gen leap no half measures nothing crazy either
So same situation then and why the x card only has y memory excuse doesn't fly. Shared memory is exactly why we need more ram consoles dont have the luxury of a secondary memory pool to fall back on, you are thinking in terms of current gen games, for a proper next gen leap more its needed else scope will be limited
Expecting 3x increase in 2020 from a console released in 2013, its not excessive but modest.
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THE:MILKMAN
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SonGoku
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3x is far from giant, its modest
Giant multiplier would be expecting the usual 16x
mckmas8808
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3x is far from giant, its modest
Giant multiplier would be expecting the usual 16x
But think about the prices of RAM. A 3x increase will be too hard to pull off. Do you want Sony to wait until 2020?
joe_zazen
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what tech would be available in 2020 that would make a monster machine possible at 4-500 USD?
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SonGoku
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absolutely, 2021 if they must
Its not about new tech necessarily but better yields and more mature process node allows for bigger chips and higher clocks
Better ram prices and more availability is also a possibility
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so 2019 still on the table.
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Thanks for this. I'll wait for OsirisBlack to comment here or make a thread but the GPU clock is much more realistic than the originally quoted 2.1GHz at least. 880GB/s BW sounds beastly....
DeepEnigma
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If that memory bandwidth is legit, then... wow!!!
demigod
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No dude it sucks, it needs 32GB RAM!!!
joe_zazen
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fair enough. I'm of the opinion that Sony really wants to strike first for next gen and I think MS is on a 2020 timetable.
prinz_valium
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How does 18GB work?
So is it not shared anymore and 2GB is maybe mobile Ram just for the OS?
So is it not shared anymore and 2GB is maybe mobile Ram just for the OS?
DeepEnigma
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He did mention 2GB being reserved for the OS, so maybe the 16GB is shared for the rest?
SonGoku
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Hopefully its just a placeholder, im still holding out hope for 24GB
If they went all out for bandwidth maybe they will do the same for the size, tbh i wasnt expecting anything over 600 GB/s. PS4 got 8GB after all no one expected that
They could pull 32GB in a similar clamshell desing which lends itself to future cost reductions.
prinz_valium
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You could also do a 384bit interface and do 5*2Gb chips and 8*1gb, but does that make any sense?
Especially not if you think further down the line, when you want to cut costs and go for less overall ram chips.
Just like they did with Ps4.
It's weird for sure.
Or they went for a weird 448bit interface.
But that would be huge.
It's definitely not 256 or 224 for that matter, because you can't achieve 880GB/s with that.
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DeepEnigma
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It does seem weird, but may not be final as well. But take into account, nVidia cards are sporting 11GB of RAM which became an oddity (cost shaving) as well.
Maybe it is 20GB overall and 18 shared? 2 for the OS. Or 24GB with 6GB reserved at the start for release?
Hopefully we get a better format he mentioned soon.
prinz_valium
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448bit interface at 14Gb/s GDDR6 Ram (same used in Nvidia RTX Series) is 784GB/s Bandwidth
384bit interface at 16Gb/s GDDR6 Ram is 768GB/s Bandwidth
384bit interface at 18Gb/s GDDR6 Ram is 866GB/s Bandwidth
448bit interface at 16Gb/s GDDR6 Ram (is sampled by Micron and Samsung) is 896GB/s Bandwidth
But the JEDEC defined target for GDDR6 is still 14GB/s only.
Not sure if Sony would use "overclocked" GDDR6
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In the info just posted he says that some of the parts are expensive
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mckmas8808
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Even higher than your super high B/W wishlist lol. I almost want to pray that, that information is real. 18 GBs of RAM with that level of B/W....my goodness.
prinz_valium
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Sony does not even make $30-50 on each Ps4 or Ps4 Pro right now.
You don't have those margins in console hardware unless you're Nintendo
They might make $30 on a Ps4 Slim sold without a discount at $299. But that is already the best case scenario now.
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SonGoku
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Curious indeed let's not forget he mentioned 18gb gddr5
DeepEnigma
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I think that is a typo. There is only so much you can get out of GDDR5, and it is not enough to be worth it.
prinz_valium
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You can't get 880GB/s with GDDR5.
No way. Not possible.
Probably GDDR5X?
Those have 14Gb/s max, too
Even tho i never head of any consumer product that was released with 14Gb/s GDDR5x
Darius87
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i didn't read it that fakery, but i think Ram should be most expensive part of it all, it's like 25$ per 2GB if i remember correctly, then apu probably be around 80$, then goes hdd & Bd-drive.
Darius87
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i don't think so, otherwise there no reason for them to cut price on ps4.
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