I know we have seen these videos a million times but I cannot not smile and giggle like a little kid every time I see one of these and for sure I cannot not post them over here. Truly impressive stuff. If there is a game that looked like that I wouldn't leave the house:
Imo TLOU2 looks fucking INCREDIBLE.that video doesnt do Demon Souls justice. For whatever reason, a lot of detail is being left out.
DS shines in tesselation, materials, and lighting. All are a step above TLOU2 which looks stunning most of the time, but is exposed in some daylight environments like santa barbara and the rooftop sections.
I recently went back to both TLOU and DS to settle an argument with Gymwolf on DS character models vs TLOU2 character models and took some pics.
More like an Atari gameI guess that makes RE7 look like a PS3 game then.
Seems about right
No it doesn’t. It seems like you have something against this channel. They pump out cool stuff, fan concepts that make you feel excited about the future of videogames.
Yeah I hear you. I always thought you were on our side
Are we looking at the same stuff?
Not at all. I have consistently sung praises of both Ratchet and DS several times in this very thread. If HFW is the best looking game on consoles right now, DS and Ratchet and 2nd and 3rd. I just think as a rule, a next gen only game should never look worse than last gen games. Imagine if KZSF looked on par or worse than TLOU. Or Forza 5 looked worse or on par with GT6 which came out the same year and was last gen. There wouldve been riots. That's effectively what we are seeing here. Forza 8 simply does not look a gen ahead of GT7 or even FH5. Ratchet's open world sections dont look as good as HFW's open world. DS looks stunning. I literally said wow when I went back to play it last night, but the fact that we can even compare it to HFW and TLOU2 is kinda telling, no? Matrix is the gold standard right now and it makes Ratchet, HFW and DS all look like PS4.5 games. And I say that as a compliment because looking at Dead Space, Forspoken, and now Star Wars Jedi Survivor, it's clear that those three games are a league ahead of the cross gen trash being shoved down our throat by EA and Square Enix labeled next gen only so they can charge $70 for it.
To me the biggest difference is in the VFX, particularly fire and smoke effects.
They probably exaggerate the effect indoors to give more of a "magical place" vibe.
Pbr and high dynamic ranges of lights vs darker areas.
I never said LoU1 looks next gen. It doesn't. I'm just saying it's one of the prettiest games. Nothing looks "next gen" this gen except for 3 games. Ratchet is the the top dog still. Yeah the 1 open world level in it looks like shite but everything else looks next gen. Nothing in Horizon looks as great as Nefarious City. There are a few levels of that quality in the game.
Well, im a big fan of TLOU2 (check the very first page of this thread) so by extension, I hold TLOU Part 1 in high regard. Definitely a great looking game.
Care to link those rumors? havent seen them.agreed. TLOU P1 could have been better but I think they have been more invested in whatever the next project is
also with rumours about their next-gen engine and capabilities akin to UE5's lumen and nanite,
I think they definitely have a lot more up their sleeves that they don't wish to reveal just yet,
so that they can pleasantly surprise players by how advanced their next title can look.
TLOU P1 would neither warrant such a dramatic makeover nor be a great place to showcase the next iteration of their in-house engine
I hope you're wrong because it scares me to even think that the 60fps crowd has managed to convince devs that less is better
The bolded part. If all the 60fps crowd are like my buddy who is a 60fps aficionado then they will for sure win. They are the most naggy, most annoying bunch out there who look down at anyone who asks for a 30fps game with great visuals. The most common phrase among them is "30fps in 2023? Yuck!". Weird bunch.
Not your call what people like or don't like, son.
No, but it's idiotic. You've also been doing what your post criticizes, son.
This doesn’t make any sense but you do you, call people names cuz they disagree with you. I am not here to fight with people honestly!
I cofused you with another poster. Still you called people who don't like 30fps a "weird bunch" so don't act innocent. And I didn't call you any names. Son.
I called them a weird bunch cuz they tryna force their opinion on others and look down on people who don’t share their sentiments. It’s all good, Shiru, no hard feelings.
The 30fps crowd does that a lot too. Forcing weird ideas like 60fps makes games look visually deficient.
Games media is more concerned about checking off diversity boxes and making sure anything but white and straight is front and center in every release. Graphic fidelity is at the bottom of their list.
Truer words never been spoken!
That's kind of incontrovertible dude. Hell even within games with two modes switching between performance and fidelity gives a visual downgrade.
Some try to make the argument that running at 60fps prevents games from achieving better than last gen graphics. There's generally a drop in resolution and reduced draw distance, but it's not a night and day difference like some make out to be.
better than last-gen visuals yes [e.g. cross-gen titles on PS5 look slightly better]
My problem with the anti-60fps crowd in one post. Logic nowhere to be found.
let's just agree to disagreeYou're full of shit.
It is literally the best looking game out on PS5. What exactly about that footage was not Next-Gen?
Well Doom Eternal looks perfectly fine and on par with those games but sure while having a lot more on screen action but sure.next-gen was TLOU2 and RDR2 on PS4 in the last few years.
if you think that that level of visual quality could still be achieved had they insisted on 60fps the entire generation, then I have nothing else to discuss with you
let's just agree to disagree
I think options are what matters. We need more control over settings, just like PC, where WE get to choose how our games run. Also, instead of focusing on framerate, perhaps we should focus on resolution and more importantly lower native resolution with higher upscaled res.
I am actually ok with 60 fps as long as it comes at a cost. If you want 60 fps so bad, you will have to live with 1080p. Sacrifice resolution if you dont want 30 fps.
Also the draw distance, lighting, material work and level of detail is insane. Nothing currently out matches what RF is doing here.
Exactly!I am actually ok with 60 fps as long as it comes at a cost. If you want 60 fps so bad, you will have to live with 1080p. Sacrifice resolution if you dont want 30 fps.
I think all next gen games should target 1440p like SOTC did on the PS4 Pro. And if you want a 60 fps experience, you will have to settle for 1080p with reduced foliage and other graphics settings. You cant have your cake and eat it too.
With midgen consoles maybe half a year to a year away there is no reason for a game releasing in 2023 to target native 4k 30 fps on a 10 tflops machine just to give 60 fps fans a 1440p 60 fps image. If they want 650 fps so bad they can live with a reduced resolution or go buy a midgen upgrade or a PC. Thats what I did. Chose to spend $800+ tax on a 3080 instead of buying a Series X. Last gen the two Xbox consoles cost me $1000+ tax. So i actually saved some money.
The funny thing is that 60 fps isnt just going to have a hit on visuals we can achieve next gen but also CPU related tasks like physics, AI, destruction and any other simulations running under the hood. At that point, it stops being a GPU bottleneck and turns into what the CPU can do. Are we ok with holding back gameplay enhancements just to get 60 fps?
I think Ratchet looks incredible. Absolutely gorgeous. Especially in the city and in Blizar Prime levels. But come on. Does it look as good as this realtime gif? It is literally three gens behind what we are seeing here and a gen behind what we saw in the Matrix.
This is what the PS5 GPU can do when it doesnt have to worry about running game logic. Same as what ND, Insomniac and GG are doing with their realtime cutscenes with fancy lighting effects and way higher quality character models. And yet, Ratchet';s character model does not come close to what we see here.
LOL first off , it's absurd how aggressive some of you guys are in imposing your opinions on others. are you suggesting I do not have an opinion of my own?
ok thanks
I am actually ok with 60 fps as long as it comes at a cost. If you want 60 fps so bad, you will have to live with 1080p. Sacrifice resolution if you dont want 30 fps.
I think all next gen games should target 1440p like SOTC did on the PS4 Pro. And if you want a 60 fps experience, you will have to settle for 1080p with reduced foliage and other graphics settings. You cant have your cake and eat it too.
With midgen consoles maybe half a year to a year away there is no reason for a game releasing in 2023 to target native 4k 30 fps on a 10 tflops machine just to give 60 fps fans a 1440p 60 fps image. If they want 650 fps so bad they can live with a reduced resolution or go buy a midgen upgrade or a PC. Thats what I did. Chose to spend $800+ tax on a 3080 instead of buying a Series X. Last gen the two Xbox consoles cost me $1000+ tax. So i actually saved some money.
The funny thing is that 60 fps isnt just going to have a hit on visuals we can achieve next gen but also CPU related tasks like physics, AI, destruction and any other simulations running under the hood. At that point, it stops being a GPU bottleneck and turns into what the CPU can do. Are we ok with holding back gameplay enhancements just to get 60 fps?
I think Ratchet looks incredible. Absolutely gorgeous. Especially in the city and in Blizar Prime levels. But come on. Does it look as good as this realtime gif? It is literally three gens behind what we are seeing here and a gen behind what we saw in the Matrix.
This is what the PS5 GPU can do when it doesnt have to worry about running game logic. Same as what ND, Insomniac and GG are doing with their realtime cutscenes with fancy lighting effects and way higher quality character models. And yet, Ratchet';s character model does not come close to what we see here.
Ratchet is a curious case because the SSD is definitely going to prevent it from being ported to PC though I completely agree that in terms of simply porting the graphics down, it can be done. After all, despite all the expensive RT reflections, the game runs at native 4k 45-50 fps on the 10 tflops PS5. Remove ray tracing and it is a locked 60 fps. That means 2.5 tflops is what you'd need to run it at 1080p 60 fps. you can easily run it at 1080p 30 fps on the base PS4 with some reduced skybox detail.
Feel, like Simy and HR2 said, it would be idiotic AF not to want a 60fps mode, who wouldn't? BUT not at the expense of graphics, AI, physics et al. People seem to forget that 60fps affects other areas of the game too not just graphics. I never suggested just having a 30fps mode, in fact for sports games (and I am a sports gamer mainly), shooters, racing games, online multiplayer etc. I would much rather 60fps over 30fps, that's a no brainer. But for single-player story driven games I most def prefer 30fps over 60fps if it meant having visuals like The Matrix demo.
Man, I just recently started posting on GAF and this is the only thread I post in and even check. I came here in peace not wanting to start fights or arguments with anyone, just having civilized convos with like-minded people. But it is absolutely ridiculous how people wanna force their opinion on you and if you don't agree with them they jump on you like hounding dogs and call you names and other crap. This is 1st grade stuff honestly. I seriously admire
SlimySnake
's composure on these forums, the guy gets attacked almost on a daily basis and he never loses it; kudos my friend.
No. I want less options on consoles. Optimisation is the key. I want to play the game the way it was developed for me.
