Huevos de Oro
Member
That looks pretty fucking barren.In terms of games that have concrete release dates...
That's more like it.
Although I guess if there are no release dates yet for the heavy hitters, all people can do is wait.
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NPD Sales Results for February 2013 [Up5: Dead Space 3, Crysis 3, Official PS3/WiiU]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Although I guess if there are no release dates yet for the heavy hitters, all people can do is wait.
Magicpaint
Member
Fire Emblem
Uhhh...it sold 180k. That is really good for a (relatively) niche title that was undershipped.
I'll be stunned if the next Nintendo Direct doesn't confirm Game & Wario for April. It's being release in Japan at the end of the month, and there is literally no excuse for them to sit on it. The fact that it isn't a near-simultaneous release is staggering in of itself.
I'm not expecting that combination of games to be released this year but its not too big of a stretch to see that many games be released in the second half of the year.
Chinpoko_Master
Member
I don't think you're using this term correctly. Cannibalization is eating ones own kind. The only way the PS4 and 720 would cannibalize each other is if they were released by the same company and they're clearly not. A good example of cannibalization would be iPhone sales eating away iPod Touch sales, or PS3 eating away PS2 sales.
They're going to be competing with each other, yes, but how is that any different than the situation between the 360 and PS3 right now? Of course there will be people who won't be able to afford both out of the gate, and thus will have to choose, but that's competition, not "cannibalization". And do you seriously think that the PS4 and 720 aren't going to "cannibalize" Wii U sales? The Wii U is already competing with the PS3 and 360 and failing miserably. Shit's going to get even uglier for the Wii U when the PS4 and 720 are released.
GhostTrick
Banned
I find NoA's job with Fire Emblem rather pathetic. They should have made sure it had enough stock.
Thinking about Metal Gear, I'm just going to throw something really crazy out there (not that I believe it, but I wonder).
How much did the HD Collection sell? I wonder if the lower Rising sales, potentially low HD Collection sales, and the abysmal PW sales are more showing that there might be something wrong with the brand itself in the west than we realize (I know, Rising is a completely different genre, the HD Collection is just that and is not going to appeal to newer or non-nostalgic folks, and PW was released when the PSP was essentially dead, but still...).
How much did the HD Collection sell? I wonder if the lower Rising sales, potentially low HD Collection sales, and the abysmal PW sales are more showing that there might be something wrong with the brand itself in the west than we realize (I know, Rising is a completely different genre, the HD Collection is just that and is not going to appeal to newer or non-nostalgic folks, and PW was released when the PSP was essentially dead, but still...).
specialguy
Banned
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I'd slip the 3DS down a few notches and up the Wii and DS by 10-20k each.
He just made the same mistake most of us did. NPD excitement makes reading full paragraphs hard!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Star Fox Wii-U better blow minds, Retro
Spirit Icana
Member
Indeed.
And when you look at the games themselves, what do we see? The worst versions of each game, some of which can be had on another console for considerably less and on consoles that cost less.
New Super Mario Bros. U looks like a rip-off too. It does all the same tricks that the Wii game does, but it asks you to pony up for a dumb box with a required expensive controller. Oh, and the game itself is $60. And look at the game. I bet a lot of folks who saw it probably said to themselves "I already have this game."
And I don't believe 2D Mario only sells on the back of consoles sales. OLD Super Mario Bros. 2 was the best selling game on the 3DS last holiday. It still managed to grab some kids and parents' attention. It's just these tired games aren't that great so their power is greatly reduced.
3D Mario is coming. It'll probably get all the love from Nintendo's devs and gaffers will be excite. It's the wrong game to be throwing all the resources into as it's not going to turn Wii U's fortunes around. Folks at Nintendo have lost their minds.
Jaded Alyx
Member
Most things do...
Aquamarine
Member
Yep. But I'm a little concerned that he keeps emphasizing "WAY under 80K."
Mystic_Wanderer
Member
He makes it seem like 64k is optimistic, though I don't know him well enough (or at all) to quantify his hyperbole.
Papacheeks
Banned
That is by far the most accurate way to describe Nintendo at this point as Company whole. They have this Apple company persona, but lack the understanding of trends, and outside competition. Apple knows about Google, and knows how popular they've become and grown.
Nintendo didn't think in early 2005, that online was anything to look into, so they kind of scoffed at it. But in actuality Xbox Live with Halo 2 over night invented and reignited Multiplayer gaming, on a console of all things.
Nintendo is a legacy company that hasn't kept up to the outside market, since " Personally in my eyes", the SNES/Gamecube days.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Sales aren't going to "explode" with a price cut and a Zelda port, Mario game, and Mario Kart.
This holiday season is actually going to be pretty rough for Nintendo since they will now have to compete with PS4 and 720, which will have much better online/OS infrastructure, and a lineup that includes great core exclusives and a TON of third party game ports that will not be on the Wii U.
From the get-go these next-gen systems are going to have great third party support.
TheNatural
My Member!
64K doesn't sound like way under. Unless someone did the weekly percentages down and assumed February was 5 weeks, it may be lower.
AranhaHunter
Banned
Is it just about having them though? Look at Nirolak's list, it's pretty impressive:
Assassin's Creed 3 - Biggest AC ever
Call of Duty - Best selling game in the most popular genre. WiiU version not gimped, some people actually called it the definitive version
New Super Mario Bros. Wii U - Other NSMB games sold 20+ million, it stands to reason to think this would be a huge seller as well
FIFA - Go to soccer game. HUGE in Europe, getting bigger in the US
Madden - If you want to be successful in the US you better have a non gimped version of Madden
What if they had Tomb Raider? Or Crysis? Or Bioshock? Or even GTA? Would that really matter? You can get them on much more popular platforms that are also significantly cheaper and your friends probably own one of those as well so you can play online with them. When MS was trying to get the 360 to be the beast it is today it moneyhatted BIG franchises. Tales, Star Ocean, GTA DLC, Elder Scroll, Bioshock, Left4Dead, Gears, and more ALL announced to be exclusive for the 360 (of course we later found out all but the latter 2 were just timed). Not only that, but ALL previous "Playstation" franchises were brought over and released day and date with the 360 version. RE, DMC, TR, FF, and eventually MGS were all released on the 360 the same day.
If Nintendo wants the WiiU to turn around they would need to pull something similar, as the tablet controller is NOT the wiimote and the WiiU certainly ain't the Wii. Imagine, if you will, that Nintendo had been aggressive and Watch Dogs, Destiny, mainline Tales, SOV, GTAV DLC, Bioshock DLC, and others were all WiiU (timed) exclusive, on top of getting all major franchises on WiiU day and date with Sony and MS' consoles?
So, he went from saying bingo with the 80k projection to this.
Between this and the laughs he brought last month with the WORST PERFORMING CONSOLE LAUNCH EVER (if you ignore a few consoles), I'm not sure his word means much, industry insider or not.
Fixed. EatChildren am cry.
Huevos de Oro
Member
Nintendo64
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Comparing Nintendo games by development days is pointless. We don't know how many employees were on the project and for how long. It could've literally been in development for 9 years at this point.
I think this HD development concern is blown up around here. You can tell by looking at one of Nintendo's other studios, Monolith, that they were well-aware that switch was going to happen and they took steps to prepare in advance. HD development would only impact parts of the programming side, the people involved in game design, sound, or asset creation would be just fine without retraining.
Apophis2036
Banned
I think exclusive games come above everything, most of the PS4/720 launch games will also be available on PS360, not many beyond a few million hardcore gamers are going to drop around $400 to play the same games at a higher resolution with a few extra graphical effects.
I also don't expect yet another racing game with no history and two Sony IP's that don't sell very well to make PS4 a 'must have' item this winter.
A very large percentage of the market want Fifa, Madden, WWE, Just Dance, AC, CoD and BF every year and those games will all be available for PS360.
After reading the thread a bit more and seeing more sales analysis, I just really have to say that I'm very happy that despite the odds, Sly 4, Fire Emblem Awakening, and Metal Gear Rising all did relatively well. (glad to have supported all 3 games)
In the case of Awakening though, I do wonder if the game could have done much better had NoA not insultingly undershipped the game. (many people who were interested might have just said screw it)
Also I'm sure the $40 (later $30) price tag helped Sly a lot. People are more willing to give smaller games a chance if they are priced accordingly. (Playstation All-Stars might have done better had it been priced accordingly, though I wasn't interested in that game regardless while Sly was something I was looking forward to)
Also in regards to DmC, part of me is certain that it could have sold much better had it been a more traditional DMC. Most people I know didn't even know a new Devil May Cry was coming out, and those that did (like me) had no interest in the game based on aesthetic reasons. (personally I didnt enjoy the demo)
In the case of Awakening though, I do wonder if the game could have done much better had NoA not insultingly undershipped the game. (many people who were interested might have just said screw it)
Also I'm sure the $40 (later $30) price tag helped Sly a lot. People are more willing to give smaller games a chance if they are priced accordingly. (Playstation All-Stars might have done better had it been priced accordingly, though I wasn't interested in that game regardless while Sly was something I was looking forward to)
Also in regards to DmC, part of me is certain that it could have sold much better had it been a more traditional DMC. Most people I know didn't even know a new Devil May Cry was coming out, and those that did (like me) had no interest in the game based on aesthetic reasons. (personally I didnt enjoy the demo)
And here we have a even bigger drop from MGS4 to MGS:R. Same goes to GOW:A the next month.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Am I reading this right - is Sly Cooper guaranteed to have sold > 117K? I'm pretty surprised by that.
velvet_nitemare
Member
Was it him or gamasutra that made the mistake that initially lead people to suspect that Wii u was over 200K last month?
zomgbbqftw
Banned
64k is a good figure.
Microsoft include Wii U in current gen.
Microsoft include Wii U in current gen.
Nintendo specified that the sales were for all of February, and Sly 4 was on sale a day later than FE.
I'd say that's an unqualified success for both games, but Sly 4 in particular, given Sony's lack of advertising.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Nirolak, subtract 1 from the Wii-U sales in March, those GS returns are starting early this month
Exterminieren
Banned
That's not aggression, that's suicide.
Microsoft would balk at that, and they're a far larger company than Nintendo could hope to be.
Looks like it to me judging by what Fire Emblem: Awakening sold (physical) and it didn't chart while Sly did.
Aquamarine
Member
Kevin Dent just reported that he has the official NPD number for the Wii U, and says that it's "WAY, WAY under 80K."
Maybe it's actually lower than 64K?
Maybe it's actually lower than 64K?
Name alone moves copies. I'm sure the sales themselves nosedived after launch.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
DS only did ~66k last month so it couldn't have jumped that high with only 4 weeks.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Sly 4 is sitting at number 4 on the most popular downloads as well isn't it?
I'm very excited to see how March's NPD will be. I have my fingers crossed for Tomb Raider, the game took me by surprise in a very positive way. Also hope to see Bioshock Infinite (which I'm guessing will be near the top) and Luigi's Mansion 2 do well. Right now I have no idea how God of War and Gears of War will do. Both games have very little hype and based on my personal experience, while I plan to eventually buy and play through both of them, I have no urging desire to do so right away on release.
UberTag
Member
I'm fairly certain they did stop buying Aliens so take solace in that.
It won't be in next month's Top 10.
It can't be under 64k.
Pretty sure we found out before it came out that the game is complete dog shit. Guess casuals don't read the internet.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
So easy to see why sales are tanking for the Wii U. Outside of Mario and 1 or 2 others the library is embarrassing. I bought it for Pikmin, Rayman and Aliens. While I dodged a bullet with Aliens, both Rayman and Pikmin got delayed - should have learned my lesson with the 3DS!
For me the off-TV play is a killer feature but so far they've completely failed to communicate this to the general public. (Or they have, and noone cares).
For me the off-TV play is a killer feature but so far they've completely failed to communicate this to the general public. (Or they have, and noone cares).
specialguy
Banned
he now says he has the number. so he's not getting it from gaf or something.
i think 64k qualifies fine as way under 80k anyway. no discrepancy imo.
fake edit: he's now saying under 70k. so yeah, ~64k probably https://twitter.com/TheKevinDent/status/312365146926354433
shinra-bansho
Member
That was my break down - and it was just rough guesses, with the exception of Wii U.
Can't be or wouldn't match NPD spokesperson statement.Kevin Dent just reported that he has the official NPD number for the Wii U, and says that it's "WAY, WAY under 80K."
Maybe it's actually lower than 64K?
strangedopamine
Member
According to what we know it must be between 64k and 66k, there is no lower number involved here unless we're missing something.