They expected NSMB U to carry the system. Think about what the previous ones did for DS and Wii.
Didn't count on it getting old so quickly (releasing it 2 months after NSMB2 didn't help either).
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NPD Sales Results for February 2013 [Up5: Dead Space 3, Crysis 3, Official PS3/WiiU]
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They expected NSMB U to carry the system. Think about what the previous ones did for DS and Wii.
Didn't count on it getting old so quickly (releasing it 2 months after NSMB2 didn't help either).
pieatorium
Member
Given the much lower start n EU compare to Japan and US I would expect a much lower weekly average there as well. 2.4 million sold is probably as best they can hope for for current WW total.
Father_Brain
Banned
I'd hesitate to call it impossible, more like "wildly optimistic best-case scenario."
If third parties aren't on board (which historically tends to be reflected in the support announced prior to launch, or lack thereof) and there's no clear casual hook for the hardware, the ceiling just isn't that high.
Pachterballs
Banned
Aquamarine
Member
Nintendo has a history of not listening to itself. They're completely undoing all of their "progressive" statements about not letting the Wii U be another GameCube.
Nintendo's original estimates for GameCube shipments: 50 million by 2005. They shipped 21.74 million by the time it was discontinued.
Iwata on avoiding a GameCube situation: "Maybe the reason we were able to make the markdown decision [for the 3DS] is our lesson [that we learned] from Nintendo GameCube."
Iwata on calling the GameCube a failure: "I do not intend to declare how many Wii we will be selling today, but Wii will be a failure if it cannot sell far more than GameCube did. In fact, we shouldn't continue this business if our only target is to outsell GameCube. Naturally, we are making efforts so that Wii will show a far greater result than GameCube."
Reggie on not making their console end up like the GameCube: ""First, we've got make sure that the titles in the first six months are strong and can drive sales. We've also got to make sure the console is attractive visually. And we've got to deliver on the right consumer needs."
And yet...
Shush. Dreamcast had a mind blowing launch, the opposite of the Wii U's. :/
never more appropriate.
Pachterballs
Banned
Dead space 3 might be making micro transaction monies so maybe possibly not as poorly as some might supposes.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Didn't EA said they expect 500K? Well, it gets 500K+ so that should be enough for them.
If sale numbers in Japan are any indication, it's going to have really weak legs. Weaker than DmC, actually.
MGR
launch week: 308.681
3rd week: 17.833
DmC
launch week: 110.429
3rd week: 15.157
shinra-bansho
Member
Oh, something went wrong with the home console totals in my spreadsheet before. Disregard the previous post.
Re-posting corrected.
Also, adjusted January 2013 for the 4 week month, for a more like-for-like comparison:
Looking at the adjusted figures for home consoles:
Re-posting corrected.
Code:
[B]Feb-06 Feb-13[/B]
PS2 309,000 X360 302,000
XBX 88,000 PS3 262,000
GCN 67,000 Wii 99,000
[I]6th Gen 464,000 7th Gen 663,000[/I]
[U]X360 161,000[/U] [U]WiiU 66,000[/U]
[B]Total 625,000 Total 729,000[/B]
3DS 189,000
NDS 150,000 NDS 101,000
PSP 170,000 PSV 38,000
[U]GBA 190,000[/U] [U]PSP 9,000[/U]
[B]Total 510,000 Total 337,000[/B]
Code:
[B]Jan + Feb 2006 Jan + Feb 2013[/B]
PS2 581,000 X360 583,000
XBX 177,000 PS3 462,000
GCN 133,000 Wii 199,000
[I]6th Gen 891,000 7th Gen 1,244,000[/I]
[U]X360 410,000[/U] [U]WiiU 123,000[/U]
[B]Total 1,301,000 Total 1,367,000[/B]
3DS 334,000
NDS 308,000 NDS 171,000
PSP 349,000 PSV 73,000
[U]GBA 362,000[/U] [U]PSP 19,000[/U]
[B]Total 1,019,000 Total 597,000[/B]Also, adjusted January 2013 for the 4 week month, for a more like-for-like comparison:
Code:
[B]Jan + Feb 2006 Jan (adj.) + Feb 2013[/B]
PS2 581,000 X360 526,800
XBX 177,000 PS3 422,000
GCN 133,000 Wii 179,000
6th Gen 891,000 7th Gen 1,127,800
[U]X360 410,000[/U] [U]WiiU 111,600[/U]
[B]Total 1,301,000 Total 1,239,400[/B]
3DS 305,000
NDS 308,000 NDS 157,000
PSP 349,000 PSV 66,000
[U]GBA 362,000[/U] [U]PSP 17,000[/U]
[B]Total 1,019,000 Total 545,000[/B]Looking at the adjusted figures for home consoles:
- The 360 and PS3 alone outsold the combined 6th gen systems by 6.5%.
- The combined 7th gen systems outsold the combined 6th gen systems by 26.5%
- Total home consoles were down 5% - essentially attributable to the Wii U v. XBOX 360.
- Nintendo handhelds are down 31% relative to 2006.
- Sony handhelds are down 76% relative to 2006.
- New handhelds in 2013 (PSV, 3DS) are down 43.5% relative to 2006 (PSP, NDS).
- Old handhelds in 2013 (NDS, PSP) are down 52% relative to 2006 (GBA).
- Total handhelds in 2013 are down 46.5%.
Mutanthands
Member
Nintendo has a history of not listening to itself. They're completely undoing all of their "progressive" statements about not letting the Wii U be another GameCube.
Nintendo's original estimates for GameCube shipments: 50 million by 2005. They shipped 21.74 million by the time it was discontinued.
Iwata on avoiding a GameCube situation: "Maybe the reason we were able to make the markdown decision [for the 3DS] is our lesson [that we learned] from Nintendo GameCube."
Iwata on calling the GameCube a failure: "I do not intend to declare how many Wii we will be selling today, but Wii will be a failure if it cannot sell far more than GameCube did. In fact, we shouldn't continue this business if our only target is to outsell GameCube. Naturally, we are making efforts so that Wii will show a far greater result than GameCube."
Reggie on not making the Wii end up like the GameCube: ""First, we've got make sure that the titles in the first six months are strong and can drive sales. We've also got to make sure the console is attractive visually. And we've got to deliver on the right consumer needs."
And yet...
That's...not good. Not good at all. The WiiU is about to be buried under the Sony/Microsoft hype train, and has no momentum in the marketplace.
If people are waiting for the first party games, I'm sure they will eventually come. But I don't see how you can expect that audience to propel those numbers past the GameCube. The Grandma audience is gone, happy with their iPads and Kindle HDs. The GamePad is not a worthy substitute.
outunderthestars
Banned
Holy shit.
MikeE21286
Member
I'm assuming this is also launch aligned too? (i.e. the Gamecube and WiiU launched in the same month, correct?)
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Times have changed quite a bit since 2005, I seriously hope to see all you sales dorks on here this time next year when PS4 and the 720 sell no better than WiiU in it's launch window.
Ahahahahaha.
Yeah I think Gamecube launched Nov 18, so basically same date as Wii U.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
never more appropriate.
Just curious, but do you actually want the Wii U to fail? It seems every thread I see you in, you're celebrating the fact it isn't doing well.
Aquamarine
Member
The GameCube launched on November 18th, 2001 in North America.
The Wii U launched on November 18th, 2012 in North America.
Same date.
Majmun
Member
Seriously.
There's no way in hell the Ps4 and the next Xbox will underperform like the Wii U. Look at the current charts. People still prefer their Sony and MS consoles. And that's thanks to the support.
Nintendo was just lucky with the Wii. Now it's back to normal status. And by normal I mean Gamecube-N64
the dreamcast also launched 10 months after it did in japan. imagine the wii u launching in september with monster hunter, rayman, pikmin, lego (i dont know if it's something people still like), and the regular launch titles like nsmbu and ... scribblenauts, and with other big holiday titles just two months away.
That guy sounds bitter.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
I will tell you what happened. HD development happened. Nintendo Devs are not used to it and they are having a huge difficulty developing for it. Nintendo took HD development way too lightly as far as i am concerned.
Basileus777
Member
What's a healthy bump in this context? 10-20k? I don't see it bumping it enough that we will able to separate it from just a normal monthly change.
How do you get "weaker than DmC" from those numbers? Just because of the ratio difference? I don't think you can draw that conclusion. Both will likely drop to similar numbers. Actual dropping rate means little.
Little Green Yoda
Member
Either that or he's overcompensating for his pro-Wii U bias. Subtlety hasn't been his strong suit and I'm just referring to his posts in this thread.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I hope you are laughing with him cause they way ps3/360 is selling it seems very possible. Any price that is too much higher than ps3/360 at the time just wont count. NA seems very satisfied with 360/ps3 for now as the prices are really appealing to what games they have and current technology and software including apps make people very comfortable with their purchase decision regardless if there are new consoles coming out. They can play great AAA grand theft auto,watch_dogs, asscreed, battlefield,COD, and still watch nextflix at the low or probably even lower price of >249$ people are happy. Theres no reason to jump next gen yet.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Not at all.
Hours Left
Member
I'm ecstatic for Fire Emblem. I wonder how much better it could of done if NoA was actually on the ball with it's release. (Also, the fact that we never got New Mystery is insane.)
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Im not sure but his post tend to lead to it. Mostly immature and often hinting that someone at Nintendo to commit suicide or something. I dont know if thats banable here but thats kind of messed up regardless.
I highly doubt PS4/Nextbox will sell as bad as Wii U right now. Still, with many games being cross gen the next gen gen uptake might be slow. I don't expect Sony and MS to have some real system selling exclusives right at the start (unless you really want Killzone or something).
these systems should be heavily promoted by microsoft and sony, and they will have the backing of the small core gamer market, which is important in building a console early on. that's what was the backbone of the xbox 360 for its first few years.
Phoenician_Viking
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Every third party developer and publishers are on board for the PS4 Durango. There won´t be any software drought, not to mention heavy hitters like COD, BF, AC, FIFA will all come to PS4 and Durango. We will see anyway. There´s no way in hell that PS4 and Durango to sell less the WiiU is selling now so shortly after release if ever.
Aquamarine
Member
Let's hope the PS4 / 720 at least mirrors the 360 / PS3 adoption curve. If not, we'll be in trouble.
metalslimer
Member
Not even
The Wiiu is selling worse than a 599 console. Its problems are far deeper than the price
Ninja Scooter
Member
How many people do you know that would spend $350 to play a Lego game?
It will do absolutely nothing.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Well im not sure how much promoting will do or how much it means anymore as we have not had much from Nintendo, or Sony-Vita lately.
Every third party is on board with PS360 too.
Phonomezer
Banned
never more appropriate.
The Dreamcast had an amazing software library from day 1 tho.
PreyingShark
Member
Pretty much. In a nutshell, games they planned to have out by now aren't out by now because they're taking longer than expected to make. That is hurting them so dang much. It's a dang good thing that they launched a year ahead of PS4/Nextbox, but not because it gives them a headstart - it's because it gives them the time they need to get their act together.
And those will be moving onto the PS4/720 not the WiiU.
metalslimer
Member
Based on a couple of games? Were already seeing exclusives with thief. Whatever the case Wiiu is not representative of what interest is in new consoles
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Thats true..these "heavy hitters" (COD, BF, AC, FIFA) he talked about also have a high chance of being on Wii U, also Nintendos own software.
Ninja Scooter
Member
They chart when they have Harry Potter and Batman and Star Wars and Lord of the Rings attached. Alone? That remains to be seen.
outunderthestars
Banned
The games sell ok, but I am not sure if they are going to appeal to the early hardware adopter market, nor will the more casual market that buys Lego games want to drop $300+ to play it.