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Record of Dojo War

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Jiggy

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(with thanks to JonathanEx)

Throughout time, the largest thread GAF had ever seen was the Smash Bros. Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread. As it played host to an unprecedented 63,598 posts over a span of time from May 22nd, 2007 to April 15th, 2008, a "small" community within the larger GAF community took shape. Many people gathered around, discussing and staying up for the latest updates on The Smash Bros. Dojo, digressing off-topic on roughly eight hundred and twenty-one separate occasions*, and generally helping one another to pass the time until Sakurai's masterpiece was released. They would even go so far as to create an IRC room in order to set up matches and keep in contact with each other after the game had hit shelves.

But not all was well. It would turn out that the thread had literally grown too powerful for its own good; when it came time for sp0rsk to send this behemoth of great love and great zany and great bulk to the archives, it was found that the Dojo thread was legitimately too large to move. Thus the Jiggy signal was activated, and here we are: to preserve the memories, we could only create this representative thread. Call it a stand-in, call it an avatar, call it what you will; it is all we could do.

Thankfully, the community had already come together to gather a series of best-of quotes even before we knew of the Dojo thread's ultimate fate. That series is generally recorded here. One day long from now, the original thread may be deleted. On that day, all following links to that thread will cease to be useful, and the quotes contained therein will be lost to the ages. However, we did our best to gather and directly post as many worthwhile quotes as possible without being overbearing, so please enjoy them.

*
figure not exact, nor researched in the least


Before then, though, there are a couple posts worth highlighting in this opening post. One is by ant1532, who for months maintained the opening post before leaving it behind with some parting prose. The other is by a certain Nate Bihldorff, well-known Nintendo Treehouse translator.
ant1532 said:
DOJO

my dojo flow does loops ova yos
use mario to kick yo ass while i wavedash
around final destination, no items, got class
understand youll need clinic aid when you hop on that stage
and dont forget my main
samus can manage to cause damage swiftly
like fox, but with less shorthops, and more pretty
steppin to a-n-t, you'll get 3stocked easily
maybe if i lose concentration, youll make me have remorse
but i have moderation like a mod called sp0rsk
i endore only good updates, not the bad ones
no ones glad when its a item or just a pokemon
and then this thread looses track all time
makes me wonder is some of gaf lost its mind
feuds over items on and off should be a crime
talk about pokemon races and species should be deleted easy
and theres no room for spoilers here
we only drink that dojo beer
so if you get bored and decide to talk some trash
please take that to smashboards before i kick ya ass
nutron said:
Hey there. This is Nate from the Treehouse at NOA. You may remember me from such classics as That One Demo In San Francisco and The Screenshot That Angered Smashboards.

Anyway, it’s general policy that we don’t post on message boards, but with the end drawing near for the Dojo, I got some special dispensation. I was going to post this several places, but since all roads lead to GAF anyway—and since this thread is of such legendary size—I decided this might as well be the only spot.

Anyway, as some of you know, we’ve been working on Brawl with Sakurai-san and his team for several years now, and the Dojo itself for almost a year. Needless to say it’s been a ton of work, though nothing compared to what Sora pulled off, obviously. That said, it’s been a labor of love, and its coming end seems sort of sad. I can’t tell you how many nights I stayed up until Japan Time, knowing what morsel of delectable information was about to be served up and relishing every bit of anticipation from you guys. It really made all the work worthwhile, and I wanted to thank you die-hards that have been around for it all.

I also figured this would be a good spot to ask a favor. Now, I don’t know how many of you guys download daily stages and snapshots from the Smash Service, but for those that do… Look, sorting through 10,000 submissions every week is fun and all, but it breaks my heart to have to ditch some amazing stage because it had an extra-raunchy title. There’s some incredible creativity on display that I’d love to share with the rest of the Smash community, but a little restraint in the naming conventions will go a long way. Yes, we all know it’s hilarious when Diddy Kong goes to town on somebody’s face—I feel that the snapshot medium is also ready for some fresh ideas. Spread the word if you can.

So… Yeah. Have fun with the last seven or so updates. And when the gray day of reckoning comes and Sporsk approaches, pillow in hand, to gently smother this thread at last, do not weep! Smile, because Smash endures, and it is good.

Thanks again, guys.
 

Jiggy

Member
Statistics for the Dojo

Weeks of updates: 47
Days of updates: 230
Number of updates: 278 (updates without their own separate page excluded)
Number of double+ updates: 42
Number of GAF-approved megatons: 12 (The Musicians, Four Kinds of Control, What Are Assist Trophies?, What is the Subspace Emissary?, Pokemon Trainer, My Music, Wi-Fi Play, Team, Sonic, replays (as a stealth, yet!), Stage Builder, Masterpieces)



Update breakdown by type:

*The special moves and final smashes of the secret characters didn't have separate pages, but are counted as official for these purposes. Many other stealth updates are also incuded here.

Character profile – 37 updates, final March 31st (Wolf)
Character (other) – 3 updates, final December 24th (Overalls Wario)
Special moves – 36 updates, final March 31st (Wolf)
Final smash – 33 updates, final March 31st (Wolf)
How to play (both Smash 101 and Techniques) – 21 updates, final March 20th (Smash Taunt)
Game modes – 51 updates, final April 14th (Smash Trivia)
Adventure mode – 17 updates, final April 10th (Mysteries of the Subspace Emissary)
Stage – 34 updates, final April 1st (Pirate Ship)
Item – 15 updates, final March 5th (Item Encyclopedia)
Assist – 16 updates, final March 14th (Latecomer Assist Trophies)
Poke Balls – 10 updates, final March 9th (Pokemon Encyclopedia)
Music – 26 updates, final April 3rd (Full Song List With Secret Songs)
Notices: 6 updates, final April 14th (Notice: No Further Updates)


Update breakdown by series:

Many stealth updates were counted. Series are listed by order of first appearance on the Dojo.

Mario – 21 updates, final March 21st (moves: Peach)
Zelda – 18 updates, final April 1st (stage: Pirate Ship)
Kid Icarus – 6 updates, final September 3rd (adventure mode movie: Pit’s Descent)
Yoshi – 5 updates, final February 13th (moves: Yoshi)
Pokemon – 26 updates, final March 25th (profile/moves/final smash: Jigglypuff)
Kirby – 14 updates, final December 28th (item: Dragoon)
Star Fox – 14 updates, final March 31st (profile/moves/final smash: Wolf)
Metroid – 9 updates, final February 26th (moves: Samus)
Wario – 6 updates, final December 24th (character (other): Overalls Wario)
F-Zero – 5 updates, final February 22nd (character: Captain Falcon)
Donkey Kong – 10 updates, final March 4th (moves/stage: Donkey Kong, 75m)
Animal Crossing – 4 updates, final Septembe 26th (assist trophy: Mr. Resetti)
Fire Emblem – 7 updates, final February 7th (character: Marth)
Mother – 7 updates, final February 1st (character: Ness)
Ice Climber – 5 updates, final February 19th (moves: Ice Climbers)
Metal Gear – 7 updates, final January 10th (final smash: Snake)
Sonic – 6 updates, final February 14th (final smash/music: Sonic, Angel Island Zone)
Nintendo DS – 1 update, October 22nd (stage: PictoChat)
Pikmin – 5 updates, final January 17th (final smash: Olimar)
R.O.B. – 2 updates, final March 6th (profile/moves: R.O.B.)
Game & Watch – 5 updates, final March 11th (stage/music: Flat Zone 2)
Electroplankton – 1 update, March 26th (Hanenbow)


Update breakdown by day:

Sample Format:
Thing Being Tracked: Wednesday (5/3) > Friday (2) > Monday/Tuesday/Thursday (0)
Where 5 would be the number of updates that thing had on a Wednesday, 3 would be the number it had not counting stealth info, and 2 and 0 would be the number of updates it had on the other days, while stealth info never came into play.



Single updates: Tuesday (68/65) > Friday (62/61) > Wednesday (60/58) > Thursday (58) > Monday (56/54)
Double+ updates: Tuesday (18/16) > Wednesday (13/10) > Thursday (11) > Friday (11/10) > Monday (7/6)
Triple updates: Friday (5) > Tuesday (4/3) > Monday (3/2) > Wednesday (2/1) > Thursday (1)

Characters: Wednesday (10) > Friday (9) > Thursday (8) > Monday (6) > Tuesday (4)
Special moves: Thursday (10) > Tuesday (9) > Friday (8) > Monday (6) > Wednesday (3)
Final smashes: Thursday (9) > Monday/Tuesday (7 each) > Friday (6) > Wednesday (4)
How to play: Thursday (7) > Wednesday (6) > Tuesday (4) > Monday/Friday (2 each)
Game modes: Monday (14/12) > Wednesday (11/9) > Friday (10) > Tuesday (9/8) > Thursday (7)
Adventure mode: Friday (8) > Monday/Wednesday (3 each) > Tuesday (2) > Thursday (1)
Stages: Tuesday (10) > Friday (8) > Monday (6) > Wednesday/Thursday (5 each)
Normal items: Wednesday (4) > Monday/Tuesday/Thursday (3 each) > Friday (2)
Assist trophies: Tuesday/Wednesday/Friday (4 each) > Monday/Thursday (2 each)
Poke Balls: Tuesday (5) > Monday/Wednesday (2 each) > Thursday (1) > Friday (0)
Music: Tuesday (9/8) > Wednesday (6) > Friday (5/4) > Monday/Thursday (3 each)
Miscellaneous: Wednesday (Sonic movie + conference movie) > Thursday (E3 movie, Test Battle movie, future updates annoucement) > Tuesday (Snake movie) > Monday (Overalls Wario, Notice: No Further Updates) > Friday (nothing)


Number of Dojo screenshot appearances for each character:

Mario – 261
Kirby – 185
Wario – 142
Link – 140
Pit – 121
Samus – 113
Fox – 108
Yoshi – 107
Donkey Kong – 101
King Dedede – 100
Diddy Kong – 98
Snake – 94
Pokemon Trainer (any of the four models) – 93
Pikachu – 89
Peach – 87
Ike – 83
Meta Knight – 78
Zelda, Zero Suit Samus – 73
Lucas – 72
Bowser – 69
Olimar – 65
Sonic – 55
Luigi – 51
Ice Climbers – 45
Ganondorf – 40
Captain Falcon – 36
Pokemon Trainer (trainer) – 32
Toon Link – 31
Pokemon Trainer (Charizard) – 30
Marth – 29
Lucario – 28
Sheik – 27
R.O.B. – 24
Mr. Game & Watch – 23
Falco – 21
Jigglypuff – 20
Wolf – 19
Ness, Pokemon Trainer (Ivysaur, Squirtle) – 16





Statistics for the Thread:

Posts: 63,598
Views: 3,523,605*
Number of posters: 1,737 (accounting for ~5.19% of GAF’s 33,473 members*)

*At or near 1:50 PM Pacific on April 19, 2008


Here are the top 50 thread contributors by post count. At every interval of 5, I give the percentage of the thread that would not exist if everyone above that point had not come to post.

1) Jiggy37 – 3,369
2) Iam Canadian – 1,989
3) Firestorm – 1,516
4) Zeed – 1,494
5) ShockingAlberto – 1,423

(15.4%)

6) SuperAngelo64 – 1,069
7) CreatureX3 – 957
8) MrCheez – 868
9) Haunted One – 828
10) grandjedi6 – 783

(22.48%)

11) A Link to the Snitch – 727
12) Keru_Shiri – 690
13) crowphoenix – 654
14) Linkzg – 624
15) Scribble – 623

(27.7%)

16) Crushed – 579
17) ant1532 – 542
18) Danthrax – 529
19) sp0rsk – 496
20) Insaniac – 485

(31.83%)

21) HK-47 - 462
22) scottnak – 454
23) Holy Order Sol – 439
24) GamerSoul – 426
25) superbank – 411

(35.28%)

26) JohnTinker – 387
27) Linkhero1 – 381
28) NeonZ – 380
29) TreIII – 377
30) PkunkFury – 371

(38.26%)

31) _Alkaline_ - 364
32) psycho_snake – 360
33) WildArms – 358
34) Shinobix – 338
35) SantaC – 337

(41.02%)

36) WastingPenguins – 324
37) Dark Ninja – 317
38) GaimeGuy – 316
39) ohamsie – 308
40) MisterHero/flipping_heck – 305

(43.49%)

40) MisterHero/flipping_heck – 305
42) Darkpen – 282
43) Somnid – 278
44) layzie1989 – 275
45) AceBandage – 272

(45.71%)

46) AlternativeUlster – 264
47) SovanJedi – 263
48) Gekkonidae – 258
49) KevinCow – 257
50) RoboPlato – 251

(47.75%)


Various statistics collections and posts related to the statistics collections:

The Jiggybot Girl Mode is foreshadowed and then arrives for the first time shortly afterward.
Girl Mode returns.
Sciz comes up with the idea of a Shakespearian statistics post, and so it happens that Elizabethan Donkey Kong is born. Jiggy pictures him in armor, crowphoenix in a suit. He returns again a bit later.
Then he returns again, simultaneously with Girl Mode and the continuation of the rivalry between Thursy and her younger sister Fri-chan. Shortly after, scottnak dubs them the weekday girls, which is as fine a name as any.
Elizabethan DK comes back yet another time, and then a fifth time.
crowphoenix decides this is the only way to go, but Crushed doesn’t like it and calls it a horrible and funny joke, to which bunches of others immediately react—Gekkonidae, crowphoenix, and Iam Canadian—but Jiggy says it was never supposed to be funny anyway, so much as colorful.
A statistics report in haiku. Several, yes, several people count the syllables of each line, proving our boredom and/or desperation in the final weeks before Brawl.
Elizabethan DK again, this time with Elizabethan Meta Knight as well and a cameo by Girl Mode.
The situation reverses, as DK pulls a cameo but Girl Mode writes a sonnet about the weekday girls.
Girl Mode hates on Lucario’s legs, Zero Suit Samus’ face, and Peach’s shoes and panty shots. Shortly after Jiggy describes where the inspiration for Girl Mode came from, although it couldn’t quite be discussed in this thread at the time.
A sequence of dull statistics posts occurs as Jiggy prepares for a return trip, makes the return trip, and then attempts to recover from the return trip. But eventually there’s a double post with another DK cameo and Girl Mode naming Wednesday Wendy right after she changes the past.
The last stats post before the North American release date is mostly just a screenshot count to coincide with the Dojo’s pages and pages of user-sent screenshots in a single day.
Tuesday is named Tue-kun; Wendy gets a –san suffix.
Girl Mode is strangely perceptive.
Then the two sides co-deliver a statistics report.
The mystery of why Monday has no nickname is answered.
Girl Mode again on April Fools’. Goodbye, Tue-kun. ;_;
Bye bye, Wendy-san.
Girl Mode always loved Thursy.
And secretly she loved Fri-chan too.
Elizabethan DK passes the torch.

Incidentally, it may seem like I’m a bit self-centered for quoting all this stuff that’s under my name, but actually it’s more that I’m sad I didn’t think of all those gimmicks when the Dojo thread was in its prime instead of a twenty-two-twenty-thirds-decayed wasteland. >_> Back then all I had was, like, love that budded like a Pikmin and a few Japanese words, or a somewhat short-lived sequence of picture posts such as this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this. (With one last stint later on.)
Or a certain simile-laden return after a certain Dojo hiatus.
 

Jiggy

Member
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(with thanks to turk128)

What follows this post is a very large collection of quotes dug up by dedicated followers of the thread. Each looked over at least 2,500 posts to select their favorites in order to compile this history of memories, megatons, and meltdowns; in the end, well over 55,000 posts were looked through. (At the risk of getting into legalese, I don’t necessarily condone everything that was quoted, nor the sentiments of those who quoted them, for varying reasons which may or may not be philosophical, religious, sociological, psychological, or biological in nature. But then, these are the values of others and not myself. :D)

Some posters applied a down-to-business format that provided quotes without any of their own input, while others sent their information to me with a great deal of narration applied. For these varying styles that bring color to the proceeding series of posts, I thank them.

Some posters found fewer than twenty quotes worth mentioning, while some found several dozens. Whether this says more about the posters or about their sections, who can say? Perhaps it’s up to the readers of this post, here, to go back and relive history themselves at times.

In any case, these quotes were gathered with the greatest respect for the Official Smash Bros. Dojo Update Thread and the community that formed around it, and I believe I speak for each of us quote hunters when I say that I hope that this condensed, “best of thread” collection may be appreciated by future thread readers.
 

Jiggy

Member
Quote Archivist: scottnak

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Section of Posts: #1 to 2,500

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6499636&postcount=19
First post wishing for a character to be in.
bigmakstudios said:
Is anyone else hoping for NiGHTS to make it in? I am, tbqh. Here is my shitty attempt at making a "moveset" for him.

btw, imo, NiGHTS would be a pretty awesome addition. He could do some kind of acrobatic kicks/trips/punches for his A attacks... he could fly/hover above the arena in an arms-forward flying position rather than running... his ^B could be a paraloop, and when he reaches the top of the loop, he could go up, or wherever you pointed (like Fox's ^b). Also, any enemies inside the loop would be damaged. His >B could be a spinning boost attack. Instead of jumping, he could fly temporarily when you hold X. Also, he would be able to fly in any direction, rather than just left and right. If the SSB64 intros return, he could enter through an ideya palace. Also, his taunt could be bowing. At the least, he would be really unique. I just came up with a few ideas because I remember lots of people being extremely opposed to the idea of NiGHTS being in Brawl for some reason.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6499994&postcount=27
First post of the 'Horizontal Wiimote style' of dooooom
ant1532 said:
Does anyone else in here hope that the actually game WON'T have horizontal wiimote controls? That would mean it would GREATLY diminish the gameplay. :/
(for those who didn't see,
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There's a horizontal wiimote under how to play... Hopefully for just Wii stylin)

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6502095&postcount=77
Japan Time still not confirmed. People are waiting for the update 8PM PST...
WastingPenguins said:
Sakurai updated the site at 3am EST last night (that's 4pm JAPAN TIME:lol ), but I don't see why he would stick to that strict schedule. I'm guessing he'll update the site whenever he feels like it during the day.

So anyway... it's almost noon in Japan, anyone want to start another insane countdown for a random time chosen by us? We've been doing it for days, I don't see why not. :lol :lol


- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6503530&postcount=101
Not a fan of the Dojo style updates...? Really...? [After 153 posts...]
underfooter said:
This is such an annoying way to release information. It forces me to check every update because I'm a fan, and slowly tells me the whole entire game.


Just give me a trailer and I'll be happy.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6504747&postcount=159
The wait for the first Japan Time update after the opening of hte site. The weekdaily ritual is born
ShockingAlberto said:
Shit, I'm refreshing both the American and Japanese sites AND THIS THREAD JUST IN CASE I MISS SOMETHING over and over.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6505172&postcount=193
First Update: Link + Mario. [2:11am PST] Suburban cowboy is not happy.
[Jiggy's note: Well, actually that's the second update. But anyway. >_>]
Suburban Cowboy said:
this site is ****ing worthless. It's official.

How the **** u gonna have a week long COUNTER to opening a site that doesnt even get all of the worthless info out of the way once the countdown is over? We waited so we could wait some more on stuff we already know.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6506056&postcount=288
Linkzg gives his hopes of what brawl's 1P mode would be like. FULL adventure mode!
Linkzg said:
I hope that Nintendo has a full adventure mode in single player, like I want to see worlds with seperate stages based around game series. It would be great to play in a Metroid themed world where you fight Ridley as Link.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6506321&postcount=293http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6506397&postcount=294Link is hunting for Pikmins? Or how about having Olimar in!
Kafel said:
Ramenman said:
This is teh true MATURE LINK !!!!
meh.

He's hunting Pikmins.
Neo Child said:
Which reminds me, we need Captain Olimer in or something.


- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6510223&postcount=347
Firestorm sez sonic & green hill zone is in. rite?
Firestorm said:
EktorPR said:
I love these daily updates. Can't wait until a never-before-seen new stage and character are profiled. :D
liek sonic in green hill zone m i rite?
ya im rite.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6514128&postcount=438
Complaining about theeyes not looking the right way to attack. Swiftly attacked for needless complaints
superbank said:
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:( I wish they would put some eye animations in the game. Would it be so hard to make the characters look at the enemy they just hit?

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6516004&postcount=476
First Japan Time image emerges!
polg said:
WastingPenguins said:
Guys we can use science to figure this out, 3am EST one night, 5am EST the next, this means megaton comes at 4am EST tonight. Begin countdown!!
JapanTime.jpg

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6516371&postcount=495
GaimeGuy is already sick of Japan Time... Only been 1.5 days...
GaimeGuy said:
I ****ing hate this "Japan Time" joke. It's been milked way too much, and it's only been around for like 36 hours.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6516676&postcount=513
First talk of a battle! ant1532 promptly comes back with a banbet proposal (swiftly rejected)
ant1532 said:
radiuhm said:
Lol kinda harsh; but I get your point, but hey Ant get ready to lose to me when Smash comes out. hell I'll take care of you when Battle Revolutions comes out. Just a heads up :D.

I'll take you on that battle. How bout loser gets a 2 week ban? :D (seriously, I'll do it if you're up to it)

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6516819&postcount=515
More third party? Nintendo's gonna put worse?
Speevy said:
Oblivion said:
Personally, I'd prefer it if there weren't any third party characters, period.
Well, we know Nintendo is going to let us down with respect to putting lesser known fan favorites in there, like Olimar, Little Mac, etc.

So what else is left?

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6516929&postcount=522
Why 'that blue 3rd party char' shouldn't be in...
TheGreatDave said:
Megaman has no character. This is my problem with half these third party characters, Nintendo's stuff generally has an understated likeability, even something as ****ing simple as Falco or Kibry is portrayed in such a way that they're welcome additions. Megaman...he's just a robot with a dumb face. Why would I enjoy seeing him? Look at him:

MegamanBig.jpg


He looks retarded.


- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6517772&postcount=558
Bubsy? (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6517854&postcount=576) this??
Talladega Knight said:
PkunkFury said:
why is no one else hoping for Bubsy?
WTF? Because Bubsy sucks my ass. Might as well ask for Gex.
Vic said:

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6518503&postcount=650
Next Item Update = Gooey Bomb. Where does it come from? New Char confirmed? And start up the photoshops!
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6518719&postcount=701
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6518792&postcount=708
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6519454&postcount=734
AppleMIX said:
fresquito said:
So... where does this gooey bomb comes from?
Master Chief in Super Smash Brothers, confirmed. :lol

I’m pretty sure it's not from anything.
NintendoGal said:
Speevy said:
I would have called it the Reggie Fils-Aime "Not My Problem" bomb.
NotMyProblem.jpg


:)
Speevy said:
[Jiggy: good picture which is also hosted on Imageshack D:]
BGBW said:


- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6520579&postcount=751
Progression of Link + Mario from 64-Melee-Brawl
FoxHimself said:

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6524852&postcount=803
All the original chars staying in? What about Melee? Confusion abound!
Amir0x said:
grandjedi6 said:
Why would they get rid of Ness. In fact, knowing NA they would probably add a Mother 3 stage for the NA version only just to tease us :/
Well they said some of the original characters wouldn't be returning, and Ness seems like a suspiciously throwaway character for the worldwide audience. Even more so than Fire Emblem characters, which actually has been getting consistent releases in the US now.

Akai said:
Sakurai said that all the original characters from the first game will be back, so yes...

I heard the opposite. Or was it just characters from Melee not returning?

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6524968&postcount=810
Phantom source for saying Mr. G&W is out? When approached for proof... nothing but a vague answer (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6525154&postcount=831)
Chemo said:
Even though I don't care for them, I'd rather see the Ice Climbers stay and the clones (Pichu, Roy, Falco, etc) be removed... also, I'd like to see Ganondorf's moveset stripped away from him completely and rebuilt from the ground up as a totally new character (with a sword) as opposed to being a clone.

Too bad Mr Game & Watch was already confirmed to be out... as much as I didn't care to use him, he was pretty entertaining visually and had a very cool stage.
Chemo said:
Sakurai confirmed months ago that Mr Game & Watch was out. It's been too long for me to be able to find the story, but Mr G&W is gone and that is straight from the man himself. You can choose not to believe me if you like, of course.


- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6525389&postcount=848
Jigglypuff too weak to be used? Rebuttal! Other chars instead?
GaimeGuy said:
VindicatorZ said:
Originally Posted by VindicatorZ:
Anybody who says Jigglypuff is a joke character and should be removed, be quiet, you obviously know nothing about Super Smash Brothers. All skilled players know that Jiggs can be a power house, just like many other characters, with the exceptions being Bowser, Pichu and Mewtwo, who are just too under developed. However a skilled player will beat the shit out of a newb with the lowest tier characters easily, so the point is moot. Why do people want to get rid of some of the more interesting characters? I personally say keep them all and keep adding more! More the better!

Another thing, They should keep all the clone characters but really go and make them more unique. Ganondorf for example, he deserves to be his own character for sure.
Are you sure about that?

:)

Mewtwo has plenty of potential: the problem is that he's big, has a bad shield, AND is light.

Pichu? On one hand, he's harder to hit than Pikachu, and he's faster. On the other hand, he has no range, he doesn't have the power of Pikachu's smashes, a lot of the annoying moves pikachu has (tail spike and down smash) are completely nerfed with pichu, he has the most difficult shorthop in the game, and he's the lighest character in the game.

I would say the characters iwth the least potentialk in the game are Kirby, pichu, and Bowser, in that order (from best to worst)


- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6525829&postcount=859
Sheik is GONE explanations begin here!
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6525969&postcount=864
+ It's because of ZSS similarities!
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6526096&postcount=873
+ GaimeGuy angry at these baseless rumors that have been coming up!
fernoca said:
Well, rumors are pointing to Sheik..being eliminated. Apparently, because the Twilight Princess-Zelda is the one that will be in the game; she's going to have a sword and a bow/arrow....all moves are going to be magic-based (magic arrows, etc)..

Rumor so far...who knows.
DeceitDecide said:
Hooray for unsubstantiated speculation!

On a more serious note, if anything (to me) was going to indicate Sheik's removal from SSBB it would be some of the moves we've seen so far from Zero Suit Samus. Maybe it's just me, but some of her moveset seems Sheik-esque.
GaimeGuy said:
I'm just sick of seeing posts saying

"Hey guys, there's a rumor going around that sheik's going to be removed"
"rumor has it that ice climbers and G&W are out"
"Seems that there's a good chance marth and roy will be replaced!"

If you hear these rumors from somewhere, then say where. Don't just speak as if the winds blew a little birdy with a rumor your way.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6526691&postcount=892
BANBET! Zeed v WastingPenguins: 0% chance of Wind Waker characters being in the game (No response...)
Zeed said:
WastingPenguins said:
Also-- face it, guys, there's a 0% chance of Wind Waker characters being in the game. The graphical style simply doesn't fit. Feel free to protest, fine, but I guarantee it won't happen.

I'm willing to bet you a two week ban to the contrary. You man enough to put your account where your mouth is?

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6527700&postcount=923
Ugh. WHy do I always get the weird stuff? Cho Aniki somehow gets a mention.
BrodiemanTTR said:
Cho Aniki eh?

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I had no idea you guys were talking about the game I read about in EGM so long ago. How the **** is this guy contributing to Smash Bros.? :lol


- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6529311&postcount=964
Back to trying to find reason where the Gooey bomb came from... Kirby?
Stormbringer said:
it seems like the Gooey bomb is derivated from a Kirby character called Gooey, which apparently has the ability to set himself on fire (then detonate ?) ->

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- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6530311&postcount=1000
1000th post. And How this brawl community will be like in the end.
Danthrax said:
ShockingAlberto said:
I think, by the time Smash Bros. launches, this will be the most tightly-knit thread on GAF. :p
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- [urlhttp://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6530447&postcount=1040[/url]
Comparison of PIT!
RiskyChris said:


- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6530962&postcount=1100
Pit's "guiding arrow" move puts more fuel on the wiimote style fire!
_Alkaline_ said:
GaimeGuy said:
actually, I think a few people in this thread have the right idea: use the wiimote to guide the arrow, so you can move and guide the arrow at the same time.

That would be sweet, just hope wiimote controls are actually in this game.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6539760&postcount=1143
Confusion whether there is an update on Friday (Saturday in Japan...) sp0rsk of course clarifies everything!

sp0rsk said:
Well, considering the first update was on tuesday, I think there is a chance there will be an update today.

-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6540393&postcount=1152
+ brave soul tells the people to ignore sp0rsk!!

scottnak said:
Smiles and Cries said:
please don't update on the weekend

please don't update on the weekend

please don't update on the weekend

please don't update on the weekend

I hardly got any sleep because of this Japan Time this week :(
It's Saturday in japan = not a weekday
Go get some sleep! Don't fall for sp0rsk's false hopes.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6547949&postcount=1203
WastingPenguins v Zeed once again! This time WP saying that the 'smashballs' are no longer in the game! (Zeed offers a Permaban! But WP once again, skirts the proposition [http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6548491&postcount=1222
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6550058&postcount=1235)


WastingPenguins said:
They're still in, you say? You're sure? Ha, I'm not saying they're not, but there hasn't been a peep about it since the very first trailer ever shown at E3 2006. People talk about this stuff like it's a confirmed gameplay mechanic when we really have no idea. Most of that trailer was cut-scene shots-- very little even resembled gameplay.
WastingPenguins said:
Zyid said:
The trailer was using the in-game engine (though not all of it was real-time). If you look at, for instance, the part where Mario unleashes his super fireball it looks very much like real gameplay - there's certainly no way you'd confuse that with FMV. Seeing how it was featured prominently in the trailer and screenshots, and later confirmed by some interview, I'd seriously doubt that they'd remove an entire feature from the game like that. If you suspect that that was removed, you can suspect any feature shown in any trailer of being removed simply because it wasn't shown on a periodic basis.

I'd bet you a permaban on them showing up in the final game. I predict it'll be added to the "How To Play" or "Items" section eventually as a regular update.
You're so sure you'd bet a permanent ban? Ooookay.

I never said it won't show up in the final game because I have no idea whether it will or not-- I just said it's a little silly to say things like "Super smash attacks are still in", as someone said a couple posts up, when we really can't know for sure if Mario's big fireball attack was ever a game mechanic in the first place or just something put together for the trailer.\

Edit: And wait, wait, wait. "Later confirmed by some interview"? I'd love to see this.
WastingPenguins said:
I think the reason you can't find the interview is because it never happened.

I guess the reason I'm unsure about the super-attacks is because of the way Mario grabs that little Smash orb before he does it. THAT is definitely not gameplay footage-- that's straight cut-scene material. And besides, there's soooo much stuff in that trailer that may or may not be indicative of actual gameplay. For instance-- Samus blasting off her suit does not necessarily indicate whether Samus and ZS Samus are separate characters or a transformation.

Anyway, I don't know why you think I'd want to bet a permanent ban when I continually say that I have no idea whether there will be super-attacks in the game, and if there are, we have no idea how it will work. If there are, it'll probably just be an item pickup and not something tied to the core fighting system, based on that trailer. I just thought it was misleading for someone to ask, "So are those super attacks still in the game?" and for someone to answer "yep, still in!" as if there had been some new info.

Moving on.
 

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Quote Archivist: scottnak

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Section of Posts: #1 to 2,500

= More Zeed / WastingPenguins quibbling =
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6550766&postcount=1246
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6550773&postcount=1247
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6550873&postcount=1248
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6551022&postcount=1250
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6551053&postcount=1251

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6557815&postcount=1366
A very odd... confession in the middle of anticipation of the first Monday Japan Time. Right after this image (http://manji256.hp.infoseek.co.jp/pics/pikmin.jpg) [ChoAniki + Pikmin]
[Jiggy note: What the butternut. D: I'm not even going to convert that one into an open quote. Wow, just wow.]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6557969&postcount=1388
Japan Time Image!

MindCollizion said:

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6558255&postcount=1427
Haha. What a joke... what... a... jo... :'(

Raw64life said:
ShockingAlberto said:
Did anyone notice this?

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I wonder what this section is for. The filename suggests it's for stuff with No Category, but what could that be, honestly? Release date? "Hey, here's the menus"?
I predict the first update for this to be "Notice: SSB:B delayed to 2008".

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6558532&postcount=1480
And this was a ridiculous idea at the time.

Hollywood_mIRC said:
This thread is going to be 200,000 posts by the time November rolls around.
[Jiggy note: I don't know, we still fell pretty short of 200,000. :p]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6558607&postcount=1504
Pit's Special Moves Update brings about the control method debate once again
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6558679&postcount=1509
+ superbank breaks down his wors.
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6558713&postcount=1516
+ That pesky How to play Icon strikes again.
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6558778&postcount=1526
+ superbank defends the wiimote
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6558790&postcount=1527
+ ShockingAlberto hurts his head.
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6560237&postcount=1559
+ Rationalization to the wiimote usage?
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6561490&postcount=1595
+ Reasoning!

[Jiggy note: One quote here is too good to ever let fade.]
ShockingAlberto said:
superbank said:
All I'm saying is there could potentially be something that works better with the wiimote turned sideways and that would be bad.
superbank said:
something that works better with the wiimote turned sideways and that would be bad.
superbank said:
potentially be something that works better...and that would be bad.
superbank said:
better...bad.
*bangs head*

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Section of Posts: #1 to 2,500 (continued)

== Zeed v Neomoto quibble ==
Now over the announcement of Brawl as launch / team working at what time...
- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6561035&postcount=1582
- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6561092&postcount=1588
- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6561659&postcount=1599
- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6561754&postcount=1601
- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6562148&postcount=1611
- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6562444&postcount=1617

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6569411&postcount=1823
Next Update [FINAL SMASH!!] Zoramon089 seeks out the guy who said FS's weren't in anymore.

Zoramon089 said:
Who was the guy in here that thought Final Smash's were out of the game because they'd only shown them in the first trailer? I don't like to make people look bad but this is a case of we told you so

it’s best to release this from a slight floating or midair position on either the left or right side of the screen.

Anyway, can you just imagine being in a match with someone about to use Mario's?

"OMG he's got his final smash!!"
*Hits Mario so he's flying on his back*
*Releases huge flame towards the top of the screen*

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6569873&postcount=1838
Samus->ZSS unlikely after FS update??

WastingPenguins said:
So now that we have confirmation that this thing is an item, it kind of throws a monkey wrench into the idea that Samus becomes ZS Samus only after performing her Final Smash. C'mon, that'd suck a LOT if that the only way to play as ZS Samus. I want to play as her whenever I want!

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6570793&postcount=1843
Zeed gets his revenge!!

Zeed said:
HEY WASTINGPENGUINS

I DIDN'T THINK I'D GET TO SAY THIS SO SOON...

...BUT I TOLD YOU SO!

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6573570&postcount=1851
Here we go. ZSS is here to replace Sheik! ('blue 3rd party char.' to replace samus??) [Discussion continues]

JCX9 said:
I'm guessing that ZS samus is in to replace Sheik. They look like they'll play similarly. so maybe if regular samus is gone, then mega mean can replace her. I'd like regular samus in though.

+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6575224&postcount=1892
+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6575514&postcount=1904
+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6575659&postcount=1905
+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6575694&postcount=1906

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6573609&postcount=1852
WastingPenguins: "
Wario rides a motorcycle in that trailer, so that means he'll ride it in the game, right? Nope. " lol.

WastingPenguins said:
Eh, what the hell, let's continue.

Wario rides a motorcycle in that trailer, so that means he'll ride it in the game, right? Nope.

See what I'm saying?

I wasn't saying "guys I t think those super-attacks will be taken out" (as I'm strangely being accused of by some people). I was saying, "All we know is that there SEEM to be some super attacks in the game based on that trailer, but we can't really know for sure whether or not they'll be in the game or if they were just whipped up to showcase the characters, as most of that trailer was. Not to mention that the Link and Kirby super-attacks don't resemble gameplay at all, so perhaps they were just cinematics meant to showcase those characters kicking ass. We just can't know for sure yet."

But man, I can't wait to ride the Wario Cycle around! <--Not speculation, this has a "concrete basis in fact" :D


- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6574700&postcount=1866
Here it is. Final Smash "performed but once" ? WHAT DOES IT MEAN!?!!

MrNibbles said:
Final Smash "performed but once" ?

One time every time you get the item?
One time per life?
One time per match?

Is it initiated with a button press or a throw (grab and throw the Final Smash item)?
Or is it uncontrollable, like the hammer?

If it's controlled via a button press, will it lock out your other special moves?
For example, I gran the Final Smash item, and don't want to use my final smash yet.
I do want to throw a fireball. Can I still throw a fireball?

****ing update the how to play section!!!!

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6574802&postcount=1867
SHEIK = MALE? FEMALE?

ShockingAlberto said:
Dechaios said:
I reeaaaalllly hope they keep Sheik. I ALWAYS played as him.
Who the what now
more...
+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6574969&postcount=1875
+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6574997&postcount=1876
+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6575039&postcount=1877
+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6575058&postcount=1878
+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6575062&postcount=1879
+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6575125&postcount=1885
... so much more. Just read the next few pages if you REALLY want more

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6575876&postcount=1918
SAT Brawl characters quiz. Do you know the answer??

ShockingAlberto said:
Christopher said:
Besides MetaKnight what about the Penguin Kirby is always fighting, isn't he essentially Kirby's "Bowser" more so than MetaKnight?
Kinda. He's more like Kirby's rival than his arch-nemesis. And Dedede has been a good guy before, Metaknight's just sort of a dick.

SAT-ized!

Kirby:Metaknight::

A) Mario:Bowser
B) Link:Ganon
C) Captain Falcon:Samurai Goroh
D) Captain Falcon:Blood Falcon

The answer is
C

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6576001&postcount=1920
Already thinking about a retrospective look only 1920 posts in...

Shinobix said:
This thread will be a good laugh when the game is finally released. All the crazy assumptions and made-up moves ditched away.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6580103&postcount=1985
PIKMIN items! How about that.

MrNibbles said:
Where are the Pikmin items?
Like, flowers, that sprout and stuff, with the numbered pellets.
And you can throw the pellets around to hurt people.
Or you can feed it to the onion, and you get helpful Pikmins.
And you can have a pikmin army. And stuff.

Imagine hanging to a ledge, 20 feet down, by a chain of purple Pikmin.

Better yet, the item could be the whistle, and you aim it at someone, and hold A to blow the whistle, then random colors of Pikmin attack whoever is in the whistle's area. Possibly lifting them up and tossing them off the ledge.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6580154&postcount=1988
KK Slider NEEDS to find his way into the game...

Speevy said:
They MUST find a way to get this guy into the game.

kk_slider.jpg

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6580255&postcount=1994
Manages to find a positive to the 'Moving and shooting' update! (Lame's all around previously)

usea said:
You couldn't move backwards at all in melee, this information is pretty significant. It also supports the ideas a lot of people have had about the crawling wario did in one of the trailers. He was moving unlike anything that's possible in melee, so people were wondering exactly what was different to allow that movement.

It's definitely a big change.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6587881&postcount=2051
2Dcube proposes the Guess-the-next-update game. 1P for each correct guess! (Swiftly put down because 'GAF doesn't play games') posts 2055 - 2059 for the shutdown

2Dcube said:
We should play a little game.

Everyone predicts what the next update 'll be (what type: item, character, stage, etc, and which: gooey ball, sonic, etc etc). The person that is right after an update gets a point.

This could then go on till the release and... the person with the most points will at least be famous on GAF! (and that's what it's all about, admit it).

I predict the next update is a stage, and it's Snake's stage!

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6590666&postcount=2092
Rationale of Moms + Soap Operas understood.

MasterAJ22 said:
Because of this thread, I now understand why stay at home moms can watch soap operas every day and never get bored.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6591500&postcount=2132
CRACKER LAUNCHER update finally gives people proof that "waggle" isn't going to be the way to go...

Wii said:
You can also aim the launcher at different angles by tilting the Control Stick up or down.
Ok, so either we need to play with Nunchuk+Remote, Classic Controller or GCN Controller.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6591790&postcount=2167
The start of the 'Wearing... NOTHING AT ALL' thing begins here.

BGBW said:
superbank said:
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Come on!

edit: Man fox's new model is so ugly. :(

edit2: Except for his big round ass. Sakurai knows whats up. :lol
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Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all!

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6599962&postcount=2208
A Nintendo-Konami[Should be Capcom] (Castlevania rumor) pops up... Simon Belmont?

John Harker said:
So... the IGN article on Brawl says Nintendo is working closely with Konami on a Castlevania spin off.

Whats up with that?

Snake needs an enemy, and since Kojima-san is in control of the level design for his Metal Gear stage, we'd guess he'll be including some Metal Gear Solid stable mates, like Revolver Ocelot, Ninja or Liquid Snake. And since Nintendo's working closely with a Konami spin-off, we'd hope for vampire-slaying Simon Belmont to turn up somewhere, too. Of course, then you'd need a vampire to slay, which would suggest Dracula.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/793/793389p3.html

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6601748&postcount=2242
Linkup responding to one of his earlier posts that "He doesn't get why people would want Sonic to be in the game"

Linkup said:
He isn't confirmed to be in the game for one. Unless his move set turns out un-expectantly decent he will get ignored and will be a mewtwo type addition to the game. I rarely played using pikachu and I doubt many others did. Lets just say I think he'll be a lame addition, until proven otherwise of course.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6602066&postcount=2288
A good summary of the recent 'shadow' complaints that had been going on (NO shadows? The realism!! *sob*)

Danthrax said:
FunkyMunkey said:
If you think Smash Bros is supposed to be realistic, then... just wow.
Just like a fish.
Zoramon089 said:
I seriously think it's not gonna be an issue in the actual games so people shouldn't be making such a big deal out of it. We've seen screens with shadows, they'll probably be shadows
BrodiemanTTR said:
And STFU about shadows already, jeez. Who the hell cares about shadows in Smash Bros.?
Smiles and Cries said:
seriously screw you people for talking about shadows, this is not the ****ing game that needs to focus on shadows. Nerds!
FunkyMunkey said:
The shadowing on the characters looks fine.

They don't have shadows under them for the same reasons discussed earlier in the thread. And anyways, when the update is about the LEVEL, you're supposed to focus on the level. If there's an update on the shadowing and it sucks, THEN bitch.
Branduil said:
Stop complaining about the shadows you guys. Melee had shadows, we've seen pics from this game with shadows, there will be shadows in the final game.
kamikaze said:
oh noes! there are no shadows in a game months before release. everyone knows that shadows are always a team's top priority when building a game...if they're not in now, they never will be!!!


:lol Wow, and I wasn't even trying to stir the pot that time.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6603760&postcount=2330
RagnarokX's hopes for a WW / PH (?) level...

RagnarokX said:
I could see them setting a stage on board Tetra's pirate ship as it sails around Outset or Windfall Island. Randomly have the ship get attacked by cannon fire from those small ships or even have a big octo attack and hit players with its tentacles.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=48
When forgetting Updates don't actually come Friday night. Counting down for an update that isn't coming, then counting down to mondays update instead... sad.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6627229&postcount=2439
Stats BEFORE Jiggy started his rampage? It's true! Someone else did it (well, at least once)!

jrricky said:
Everything is practically evened out in update now:

Characters:3
Stages:2
Items:2
How To Play:2
Music:2

Except for Game Modes and Notices (what is this for anyways?)

Hope tomorrow's update would add a game mode, but i doubt it. Atleast do it sometime this week.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6631448&postcount=2496
Dojo updates Boring??

momolicious said:
anyone else think these updates are kinda boring? id rather have them drop the bomb all at once with a trailer than these tiny updates everyday

-- Feedback:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6631586&postcount=2497
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6631718&postcount=2499
Jiggy37 said:
It'd be better for my health and sleeping habits, I'm sure, but I like the updates. They do give us some things that trailers probably wouldn't--especially in the music area, since trailers tend to have one theme that carries all the way through.
Firestorm said:
A trailer would most likely not have any real information. Even one update on the site gives us more concrete info than a full-blown trailer. So yes, I like these updates better. I usually just view them in the morning anyway. My parents bitch when I come upstairs for bed late since it wakes them up or something >_>
 

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Section of Posts: #2,501 to 5,000


Post 2527 and Post 2538 – GaimeGuy is among the first to challenge the non-traditional usage of Japan Time, so Jocchan calls his bluff with an even less traditional usage. Also, I’m guessing the picture comes from some kind of romantic comedy or harem anime, as opposed to, you know, something else. If not, delete, or something. >_>
GaimeGuy said:
The next person to say "japan time" in a way like this that isn't actually wondering what TIME it is in japan at the moment....

I will kill them.


Over the internet.
Jocchan said:

Post 2537, Post 2532, and Post 2536 (yes, that’s the correct order) – GaimeGuy also challenges what would become the thread’s standard practice of reposting the Dojo updates in the forum. Branduil responds by leaving the screenshots up but changing the text to some random snark. Incidentally, Stumpokapow later addresses the situation with more seriousness, but that’s not really funny, so there’s no point in mentioning it. Oh, wait…
GaimeGuy said:
Isn't it illegal to reprint the entirity of a webpage on another webpage? :/
Branduil said:
My Pokeballs, let me show you them:
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Toss the PokeSPHERE and a Pokeyman of some type shall appear.
mball01_070605b-l.jpg

Grab and toss the Pokeyball...
mball01_070605c-l.jpg

Pokeyman!
mball01_070605d-l.jpg

It's coocoo for Cocoa Puffs!

Pokeballs are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get. Or which ones are crunchy.
mball01_070605e-l.jpg

GoldEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!
Branduil said:
mball02_070605a.jpg

THIS IS THE POKEYMAN FROM RUBY. NOTICE HOW HE IS RED LIKE A RUBY.
mball02_070605b-l.jpg

My name is Groudon, and I do not support the forced imprisonment and disenfranchisement of Pokeymans.
mball02_070605c-l.jpg

COME AND SEE THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM

mball02_070605d-l.jpg

Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
Stumpokapow said:
GaimeGuy said:
Just because "people have been doing the same thing all the time in this thread" doesn't make it any more or less right.

It's illegal, and I'm 99% sure that it's also a bannable offense.
Actually, you're wrong on several counts.

First, case law does not present a precedent There is no law that specifically makes hotlinking illegal so the only way it could hypothetically be illegal is if case law represented a clear precedent. It doesn't.

Deep linking was nominally protected in Kelly v. Arriba Soft Corporation; although deep linking and hotlinking are not necessarily similar, it does show one important thing. Hotlinking or deep linking does not always or automatically constitute copyright infringement.

Perfect 10 v. Google actually ruled against the above finding and then was overturned on appeal. So that's three conflicting findings, right there. However, there's another aspect to Perfect 10 v. Google that is useful to look at; judges debated the merits of Framing, the court found that framing, or putting a distant website's deep linked page inside a frame within Google as a broader site was legal, specifically reasoning that since Google only provided the instruction for the user's browser to fetch the files, they could not be held liable. Consider applying this test to hotlinking.

There has never been a ruling in regards to hotlinking that addresses the issue of whether or not "bandwidth leeching" is illegal. Is seems obvious that this is the issue you are referring to, since only a nutcase would be claiming that Gaffers leeching images are profiting, claiming ownership, or infringing copyright.

Second, hotlinking is not always illegal. Even if you accept that hotlinking can be illegal, it is not automatically so. Many companies can and do consent to hotlinking. The most obvious example is a banner ad or an image host. Evidently, then, there must be some way to determine whether or not it is illegal in the case of an individual server. From a due dilligence point of view, I would argue that .htaccess / referrer denial would be considered an acceptable metric. At the bare minimum something like a robots.txt denial or other instruction to prevent content access, or a META noindex tag on the page hosting the images, or some sort of indication that the site does not want you to leech will be needed.

If I remember correctly, the anti-leeching rule on GAF is primarily to prevent the blowback if a leeched image gets swapped with Goatse or PAIN or a password-security image that causes every reading of the thread ot have to cancel out of a password dialog. None of these will ever happen.

There's a clear difference between image leeching product images from Amazon.com or screenshots from GameSpot or the Smash Brothers website and image leeching for some guy's little server where it's going to cost him or her money.

Post 2807 – The early but unfortunately incorrect interpretation of Wario Kirby.
civilstrife said:
GaimeGuy said:
... I just realized something...

If they make Kirby's face look like wario's teeth-baring grin when he has wario's power, kirby's going to look ****ing creepy.

Photoshoppers get to work!
Hmmm What have we here?

killitwithfire.jpg


OMG YOU WERE RIGHT KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT

Post 2874 – The later-prolific usea summarizes a discussion about tiers. The discussion ends immediately afterward, incidentally, but remember: correlation doesn’t equal causation.

usea said:
This thread should be renamed "A study on cliche scrub mentality"

Page 59 – Relive the reaction to the glory of all four control methods—and it goes on for several pages, by the way. Sakurai, Sakurai, go go go!

Post 3074 – GIF: "Stop. Japan Time." Not quoted directly because it's 1.5 MB.

Post 3704 – The first sighting of the infamous Smash Bros. icon numbers.
APZonerunner said:
Someone on Smashboards hit this little pot of gold...

No idea who, otherwise I'd credit them. I got it from Penny Arcade, myself.
If you right click the world icon image gifs and check out the source location name.. you get numbers for each series.. Kid Icarus is 18. That could mean a minimum of 18 game series in Brawl
1.Smash Brothers
2.
3. StarFox
4. Kirby
5.
6. Metroid
7.
8.Pokemon
9.Zelda
10. Mario
11.Yoshi
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18. Kid Icarus
So.. 18 series. Time to fill in the gaps. Not that this is a limit at all, there could be MORE... and also there's plenty of characters who in Melee shared (Fox/Falco, Mario/Peach/Bowser, Link/Zelda/Ganondorf) ..but yeah. Interesting.

Post 3741 and Post 3762 – el jacko wants a playable Metroid. In a series of posts following, the thread goes after him for how impossible it would be to create anything other than the most nonsensical of movesets, but only Jiggy openly demonstrates it.
el jacko said:
I think having a Metroid as a character would be very cool and interesting, especially if they could make it all float-y like in the Metroid games.
Jiggy37 said:
Metroid

A - talon poke
Forward + A - extended talon poke?
Up + A - headbutt (shellbutt?)
Down + A - crouching talon poke?
Run + A - tackle

Smash forward + A - forward tackle
Smash up + A - shellbutt
Smash down + A - spin?

Neutral air - spin
Forward air - talon poke?
Backward air - backward talon poke?
Up air - tilting shellbutt?
Down air - drill talon kick?

B - spin?
Forward + B - forward tackle
Up + B - diagonal flying tackle (think Mario's Up + B, Marth's Up + B, etc.)
Down + B - drain life (Yoshi)


I tried. I just don't see how it's viable... There are like three really cool things that a Metroid could do (the life drain, spinning and stabbing with the talons, and a headbutt with a Metroid's outer shell would probably look dumb but I can't say I wouldn't be entertained), but that's about it. >_> As opposed to someone like Marin or Sami, who also stand no chance of getting in, but who I can at least think of a ton of awesome moves for.

Post 4015 – After seeing Samus’ profile pic, long-time Smash Bros. hater and Mother fanmod Amir0x hits a new low, pun maybe intended, in his desperation for the Ness update.
samus.jpg
Amir0x said:
Is Ness hiding in that Samus crotch?

Post 4047 and Post 4103 – A couple of early takes on the humor of the Dojo’s writing—it would become a staple for thread regulars. Much later down the line, Nate himself from Treehouse would visit the thread and we would shower praise on him.
superbank said:
"And then comes the finishing strike! SKRAAAAH!"

I find this particularly funny because Link probably won't even say that. It's Sakurai's personal warcry. :lol
Nintaiyo said:
Akinola said:
The writer for this website is priceless. Can anyone confirm if SKRAAAHH is said on the JP website?
:lol I just checked the JP website. Apparently, it translates (roughly) to "zubaaaaaaaato!"

041_Zubat.png

lol wut

Not sure what that means in Japanese. Probably just random onomatopoeia.


Post 4261 – What’s this? Statistics? Oh, just another case of Jiggy quoting Jiggy’s own—what? These are from Danthrax? Well then.
Danthrax said:
Less than an hour to go, presumably. Time to start the clock.

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To aid those placing bets on what type of update we might see next, I took a couple minutes out of my busy schedule to compile a list of the types of updates and how many weekdays it's been since we've seen the last one:

Character's final smash: 1 day
Character bio: 3 days
Item: 4 days
Music: 5 days
Stage: 6 days
"Game Modes": 8 days
Pokémon: 11 days
"How to Play": 15 days
Movies: never (or, 7 months)
Notices: never

Obviously, this isn't an absolute indicator since Sakurai sometimes does the same type two days in a row (like, most recently, Link's and Pikachu's final smashes). It's kind of interesting to look at anyway, I think.

[Jiggy note: For this archive thread I went and pulled out the Photoshopped pictures.]
Page 86 (and 87 for that matter) – Witness the reaction to the Wario profile! No, really, people actually had fun with this one. It came with one of the most excellent pictures the Dojo would ever see—and the Dojo had no shortage of those. See the real deal below, and then click over to see no less than seven (7!) Photoshop effects applied to the picture, as well as general hilarity. (Sidenote: I tried quoting all of the pictures simultaneously, but nearly all of the entertainment value is lost when they're seen in such close proximity. Click over, or consider yourself to be making a mistake!)
Danthrax said:
Wario profile!

OMG he's gonna eat Kirby!! :lol
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ShockingAlberto said:
EXPLOSION

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Branduil said:
Now with more next-gen:
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ShockingAlberto said:
Now last-gen’d!

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Branduil said:
Virtual Boy version:
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ShockingAlberto said:
European version:

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Filter said:
US version:
US_version.jpg
PerkeyMan said:

Page 91 and on – Lylat Cruise is revealed and Sakurai’s writing shines again, but more importantly, we get one early dissenter—wait, no, make that two early dissenters claiming that all the stages are Battlefield. Even after ShockingAlberto shoots them down, at least one persists. And soon enough a third dissenter arrives on the scene. Incidentally, keep in mind that the only stages known at this time were Battlefield, Delfino Plaza, Yoshi’s Island, and Lylat Cruise. (And brief glimpses in the E3 2006 trailer of stages we didn’t know too much about.)
Dark Ninja said:
Wait this is just another plain level its just 1 big platform and some little ones on top of it
just like the battlefield level and the yoshi level and maybe even the icarus level from what has been shown

why are the levels looking so similar?
Son of Godzilla said:
You can't deny that every single level shown so far is a variation on Battlefield. It's pretty bland.
ShockingAlberto said:
stage02_070601b-l.jpg

stage02_070601c-l.jpg


Yep, that's Battlefield all over. It's so Battlefield, I don't know why they even bothered it calling something different.
Son of Godzilla said:
Are you joking? Yes, it's Battlefield. It's just battlefield that changes where it's platforms are once or twice a minute. Moving platform stages are terrible.
Nuclear Muffin said:
Yeah, all the stages shown so far look to be a variation on Battlefield. Looks like Nintendo is aiming to make tournament players happy, hopefully they'll still be some fun stages for the rest of us!

Post 4708 – As identified by others quoting him, this is the first post that Zeed makes in the Smash Bros. Dojo thread under the name Zeed; before that he was Zyid. I only point this out because he became a really prolific poster in the thread; it's nothing worth quoting, though I realize saying that will automatically make people click in an attempt to prove me wrong. (By the way, I had never realized Zyid was him until scottnak pointed it out to me.)

Page 95 to 100 (and probably more, but this section of mine only covers to page 100) – Zelda has been revealed. Cue the debates over her hair color and whether it matches Twilight Princess or is too dark; more importantly, cue the rampant debates about Sheik being out. Actually, it’s not so much a debate as a large majority of the thread jumping to the conclusion that Sheik must logically and irrefutably be gone because Zelda uses her TP model.

Oh, you want names of people who thought Sheik was out? Okay then. (With apologies if any of you were being sarcastic!) BorkBork, Danthrax, MindCollizion, Wii, JCX9, Mockingbird, Zeed (in fairness, he at least just calls it “evidence”), Haunted One, MasterMFauli, ant1532 (seems to learn toward it), ShockingAlberto, Branduil, Brobzoid, zoku88, Nintaiyo (as far as I can tell), MrCheez, Kreed, and Grecco (by implication). If you can't tell, this was debate was far too large-scale to be boiled down to a few representative quotes.
 

Jiggy

Member
Quote Archivist: bombcar
Section of Posts: #5,001 to 7,500

[Jiggy note: As far as I know, bombcar can’t post yet, so he has no avatar for me to put up. Nonetheless, his contributions are appreciated!]


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6838616&postcount=5033
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6838180&postcount=5008


MrCheez said:
Alright guys, here it is...

Cheez's List of Things That Are Probably Almost Definitely Pretty Much Going to Be In Brawl
(feel free to quote this back to me and laugh at me when the game comes out if I end up being wrong!)

1) No Sheik.
2) ZSSamus is a modified Sheik clone.
3) ZSSamus is a separate character from Samus - not a transformation.
5) Diddy Kong playable. (Has high chance -Was featured high on Sakurai's most wanted characters list)
6) King Dedede playable (Ranked high on same list as Diddy -- also he is a Sakurai creation.)
7) Balloon Fighter playable. (I don't like the idea, but it was confirmed that he almost made it into Melee. A character that almost made it into N64 smash but was left out was Bowser, and sure enough he found his way into Melee.)
8) New moveset for Ganondorf. He'll be sporting his TP look and hopefully his sword.
9) Pichu, DrMario, Game & Watch, Young Link, and Roy gone for sure. Marth and Falco probably gone, but they have more of a chance than the other guys I'd say. All other "Veteran Fighters" will return. (Why do Marth and Falco have a good chance? Popularity I'd think, which is the reason they were both put in the game. (both were highly requested before Melee's release.) None of the other characters on the list I just recited were put in the game because they were heavily requested, as far as I know.)
10) Sakurai really wants more females. I'm betting this means a new female Fire Emblem character, and possibly Krystal from Star Fox.
11) Ridley playable...? I'm not 100% about this one. I'd love for it to happen, he was high on the same list as Dedede and Diddy, and the release of Ridley music recently seems like a nice clue... but it still leans on the unlikely side for me.

There you go! A mountain of cookies for me if I get most of these right. :D

Edit: Added some reasoning to my claims. I won't edit this post again because frankly, I'm just so gosh-damn-sure that all of these are going to come true! ;)
Chris Michael said:
if we're gonna talk about Peach, I wonder if Bowser will be back? Better yet, Giga Bowser, he was awesome.

by the way I just made this post as an excuse to post this awesome picture I found because I don't think it constitutes a whole new thread:

bush_bowser.jpg

Zelda/Sheik meltdown/argument continues with the release of Ocarina music!

Epic post!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6849500&postcount=5315

"All of this is just going to make people want to play Melee over Brawl anyway"
Maxrpg said:
Branduil said:
There's going to be so many tears when it's revealed Sheik isn't in the game...
Bitter tears over Falco gone, and Sheik gone, is what I'm gonna hear.

All of this is just going to make people want to play Melee over Brawl anyway :lol :lol

From 5300-5400 much "What are clones" argument happens.

Banana peel update. http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/images/item04/item04_070627e-l.jpg is posted many times.
[Jiggy note:
item04_070627e-l.jpg
]
Photoshop hilarity follows, especially http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6854060&postcount=5515
RagnarokX said:
The downside to Kirby's copy ability...

hammeredkirby1.jpg


Post 5501 celebrates 5500 posts! But that pales compared to later when the thread has over 60,000 posts.....

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6863946&postcount=5577 announces that 4 controller methods with mappable button configs are compatible! Minorton follows, though some don't realize it. Interestingly enough, the posts following refer to the character screen being partially blurred - as of now, Sakurai has updated that image to put the non-blurred one in its place! Attention to Detail.
Michan said:
Names
Game Modes

You can enter individual names for each player. Start by just entering a name.

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This time, enter it like you would on your cell phone!
You can also use random names.


Once it’s entered, choose your name for your character on the character-selection screen before you begin fighting.

various02_070628b-l.jpg


The character-selection screen is still a secret!

This time, names are extremely important. That’s because we’ve included personalized button configurations.

We’ve made this game compatible with four different controllers:

various02_070628c.gif


You can change button configurations for each one for each registered name, and alter those configurations any way you like.

Assigning personal button configurations each time you fight would be a bit of a pain...but if you just choose your name from the list, BAM! You get to play with your preferred configuration! There’s no waiting!

We’re also considering allowing you to save your name to the memory in your Wii Remote so you can bring your settings with you to your friend’s house...

But if we can’t make that happen, I apologize.

DarknessTear predicts the future correctly! http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6875235&postcount=5722 but is banned now. [Jiggy note: at the time bombcar sent in the quotes.]
DarknessTear said:
Could this possibly end up being the longest thread ever?

Zeed owns WastingPenguins in the face! http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6875271&postcount=5734

Zeed said:
BTW, WastingPenguins, I think we can finally pick up that debate that we had going on many pages back.
WastingPenguins said:
Eh, what the hell, let's continue.

Wario rides a motorcycle in that trailer, so that means he'll ride it in the game, right? Nope.

See what I'm saying?

But man, I can't wait to ride the Wario Cycle around! <--Not speculation, this has a "concrete basis in fact"
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This post is hilarious in light of things that happened around 50,000 posts later....
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6876448&postcount=5793
TheKingsCrown said:
I believe the time may have come for me to stop looking at this thread, it contains a lot of spoilers, and they seem to be getting worse with time. I"m not sure how I feel about it.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6880630&postcount=5833 hmmmm
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/sheik.html hmmmmmm
Zeed said:
Somnid said:
To me it sounds more like Zeed got lucky and is milking it for all it's worth. Be careful man, it might come back to bite you as well.
If I ever have to eat crow (for instance, if the Sheik/Zelda mechanic remains unchanged), you can bet I'll admit it. Personally, I think that if Shiek returns at all it will be as her (his?) own character.

From http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6888932&postcount=5866 to the post following almost 3 days pass.

Around 5900 a fight breaks out over whether it is appropriate for Wario to fart. Lasts about 60-70 posts!

5980 and ASSIST TROPHIES shuts that up quick.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6900114&postcount=6060 received his wish. Captain Olimar is playable.
Epicus.Furor said:
DefectiveReject said:
PIKMIN ASSIST CHARACTERS?? Captain Olimar?? ANIMAL CROSSING GUITAR BASHINGS?
He must be playable!!

{Mike} is also quite prophetic: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6900327&postcount=6113
{Mike} said:
Shinobix said:
How many day til E3? 11?
9 days

I hope we can collect a shit ton of stuff in this game. I really liked the trophies in Melee, and they could do something with the AT that involves collecting. Or, add badges/medals/bios to unlock.

{Mike} is probably SAKURAI http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6911587&postcount=6258
{Mike} said:
Jiggy37 said:
A stage wouldn't hold up to yesterday's update either. :p
You are wrong. You know why?

What if they announce CUSTOM stages? Like, you could create your own stage with a little map editor, keeping it simple yet adding a lot of replay value. I would shit my pants. Twice. Actually, I'd pee over the floor too.
[Jiggy note: I was pretty clearly referring to a single stage, not a stage creator. :p So, no, I wasn't wrong. A single stage wouldn't compare to assist trophies.]

From about 6400 on an argument rages between Zeed and TheKingsCrown about whether or not Fox was better than Peach in Melee.

6481 ! GIGABOWSERTON Much zomg happens.

6700 A tournament argument breaks out, with Zeed and A Link to the Snitch in the middle.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6932055&postcount=6832 captures a rare translation error.
Epiphyte said:
WOAH WOAH WOAH

What the hell is going on here?

The first control diagram I got when I checked the site at midnight PST
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Now this is in its place
basic04_070705f.jpg


What madness is this?

I presume it's some sort of translation error that got fixed. The wiimote scheme certainly seems much more reasonable without forcing you to double tap.
[Jiggy note: Yes, I know he's no longer hosting the pictures. But I still find it worth keeping. <_<]


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6942593&postcount=6894 is an interesting desire......
FlightOfHeaven said:
: O

They should have a secret 8-Bit stage! With all the characters in retro bit! :D

Impossible, but it'd be a treat to see.


7267 Dr Wright! This pushes us more that 200+ posts. Big argument about whether or not an assist trophy replaces your character.

Bernie knew it! http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6990456&postcount=7422
Bernie said:
jrricky said:
NEWS BREAK: NO SONIC IN SMASH CONFIRMED?

From Sega's E3 released list:



The highlighted part tells that this is the first game we're going to see with sonic and mario together. The fact that Smash is releasing before this proves it.

Bad news for sonic and smash fans all around. :(
ZOMFG, NEWS BREAK: NO BRAWL IN 2007 CONFIRMED?
[Jiggy note: The break there was in Bernie's original post as well.]

lol http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6993954&postcount=7489 If only they knew.....
AntMurda said:
So say it's Jupiter? Suzak? Game Freak? Creatures?

How does this change anything? It's a completing faction not the lead developer.
 

Jiggy

Member
Quote Archivist: scottnak

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Section of Posts: #7,501 to 10,000



- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7008556&postcount=7544
More pre-Jiggy stats compilations!
[Jiggy note: Teasel’s post is bigger and more wall-of-text-ish than my usual stuff… I’ll avoid quoting it. >_>]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7009712&postcount=7545
E3 footage of Brawl being in the montage when wi-fi was being talked about. Some took it finally as proof of it being wifi, some... did not.
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7012872&postcount=7564
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7012986&postcount=7569
WastingPenguins said:
Adumaha said:
While they didn't mention that Brawl would be online, it was in the montage of online games featured behind Reggie. Damn Nintendo, so confusing.
C'mon, guys. This is huge. Not exactly a confirmation, but I'd call it a pretty strong hint.

Anyway, the short new footage from the conference gives me a *bit* of hope to see a new trailer on the site this week, but I won't hold my breath. It sure has been a slow Brawl week thus far, though...

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7012769&postcount=7555
In the wake of the conference, Sakurai pulls an EARLY update (9:11pm PST). Dec 3 is finally cemented, plus a movie, plus DK!

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7020771&postcount=7650
DK Brawl v DK Melee. Side-by-side improvement comparison time!
Capndrake said:
Fair enough.

donkeykong.jpg
normal_donkey2.jpg

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7030918&postcount=7678
Wise words.
Suburban Cowboy said:
This game is not comming out in 2007.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=155
Happiness over the SMASHVILLE (Animal Crossing) update!
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7031494&postcount=7714
BorkBork hopes a certain char. makes an AT appearance! (GET!)
+++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7032699&postcount=7800
Or maybe even playable?
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7031713&postcount=7743
Key chars in the background brings up the Q: Will there be an AC playable char??
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7031687&postcount=7740
Or perhaps a different alternative?

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7032208&postcount=7775
Bland Stages! Oh noes.
Nuclear Muffin said:
WTF?! I'm really worried about SSBB now, there's no variety in the level design at all! It's obvious that they're just making this game to pander to the "hardcore" tourney players :(

Slight sarcasm there but I am worried

WHY IS EVERY STAGE SO FAR A BATTLEFIELD, MUTE CITY OR FINAL DESTINATION CLONE!!!!!!!!!

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=158
Whole page is a nice talk about the issue of Online and its meaning about Brawl in general. (+ Weaving information from the Smashville update)

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7065098&postcount=8050
Snippit to the Orchestrated Music vs Synth'd music argument
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=162 (if you want to see most of the rest of the bickering)
usea said:
First of all, what I'm speaking out against is the assertion that performed and recorded music is inherently superior to produced music. That is not the case, in fact it's often much worse.

Secondly, download (or use the sound test) an assortment of songs from melee. Listen to them. I just did that and not a single one was played by an orchestra. All of the leads were synthesized or used samples. Two of them MIGHT have had performed percussion, but I couldn't tell. That is the whole point, you can't tell and it doesn't matter. I get the feeling that you guys read too many IGN reviews or something, I can't imagine where you would get such a retarded idea in your head that music is inferior when not performed live. You can't even tell that melee wasn't performed so what does that say about your belief?

The reason melee's music was better than what we've heard of brawl is because the brawl recordings on smashbros.com are extremely muddy. They're mixed poorly and compressed heavily. Hell, on the ssbm official CDs, half the tracks were severely clipped. The arranged orchestra CD has misnotes all over the place, they just taped an audience performance. I don't have a lot of faith in their ability to produce quality audio.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7073777&postcount=8111
DEOXYS pokemon updates rattles a few, SovanJedi explains whyfor him.
SovanJedi said:
This is the first update on the Smash Bros. Dojo site to have pissed me off, since I was hoping beyond hope that Deoxys would be a playable character. It also annoys me that they're not giving him Psycho Boost either.

However because of Deoxys' nature (he has four different forms; the one shown here is his Attack form, which means he has stupendous attack), he might have a random chance of using different forms to use different attacks.

I do believe there is some serious power behind that attack - Hyper Beam ranks among the strongest attacks in the whole game, and Attack-form Deoxys has THE highest attack of all Pokemon to date, so with the two combined anything less than an OHKO will be disappointing.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7081300&postcount=8146
All this talks about Deoxys unplayable gets people to express THEIR pkmn wishes...
+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7081343&postcount=8147

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=164
SAMUS' FINAL SMASH (aka: How we finally learned how ZSS comes about)
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7086919&postcount=8210
Worried this means Samus gets gimped upon using a FS??
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7086939&postcount=8213
Wasting Penguins reflects on what new questions this brings!
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7086992&postcount=8225
Soneet believes he properly guessed this correctly! Well, except for the fact that he ignored the title of the update... which means he absolutely got it 100% wrong. Haha.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7087042&postcount=8237
As a result, the revival of the "Only 1 FS usage" debate reappears!

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7087161&postcount=8248
Sparked a nice quibble.
rakka said:

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7087498&postcount=8261
Fears that these "Powered Up" attacks could weaken Brawl's depth??
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7089240&postcount=8302
Rebuttal by Dr.Hadji
Date of Lies said:
I get the feeling Hal might be adding too much "super attacks" in this iteration (not just the final smashes either, Wario's charged up fart for example), and hence, reducing the depth of the game. I hope I'm wrong, SSBM had was a very deep fighting game when playing at a high level.
Dr.Hadji said:
Too much? One per character is too much? Limited use of super attacks is too much? This isn't MvC2 where every character can use their super attack all at the same time over and over until a timer runs out.

Secondly, Wario's fart attack is very much like Bowsers (and bowser kirby's) fire breath. It's stronger when you don't use it so that you give it a chance to recharge. This is also like your shields too. Wario's fart is nothing "too special."

Therefore, the things you fear will "reduce the depth" aren't really what you should be afraid of. If you want to worry about something, then worry that Sakurai won't balance out the characters. Melee is horribly unbalanced.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7089716&postcount=8308
MrCheez again with his thoughtful posts. Also sparks the "Sheik is back" statement once again. [Jiggy note: Very long and interesting thoughts, great insight into seeing the thread attempt to understand the relationship between Zero Suit Samus and Samus with final smashes on. Still too long to quote direct. :p]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7100601&postcount=8393
- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7100643&postcount=8398
ZSS Profile update brings about creepy-GAF.
[Jiggy note: Really creepy. D:]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7100673&postcount=8400
Or, How about a "Would you rather have ZSS or Zelda" debate
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7101068&postcount=8418
OR... Selda vs Zamus?
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7101227&postcount=8423
An ALTERNATE costume to ZSS??
[Jiggy note: Also creepy. D:]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7106838&postcount=8446
Oh my god it returns. >.> (Andy + Peach)
[Jiggy note: Creepiest of all. D:]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=171
Too much gold in here. "THIS WORLD..." update is late. German site is found to be updated. People frantically try and translate, those who can't run around with their heads cutoff confused...
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7115435&postcount=8552
This strange creature confuses and infurates us!
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7115516&postcount=8586
Analysis to this 'strange adventure mode' marked with '???'
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7115571&postcount=8612
This was a Friday update. BrodiemanTTR is sure what's coming on Monday.
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7115647&postcount=8620
Vyse thinks this must be part of the opening cinematics...

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7115938&postcount=8644
Remember this? Smashboards thinks they see BOWSER, RIDLEY, etc. in the CLOUDS.
Laugh Here: http://www.smashboards.com./showthread.php?t=109959
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7117022&postcount=8684
Or good ol' predictable gaf shoppin'
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7117406&postcount=8689
Proceed to make fun. Plus sp0rsk with a witty remark!!

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7119852&postcount=8725
God's Vessel recalls Sakurai wanting to flesh out a 1P mode...
Enduin said:
God's Vessel said:
I just remembered how Sakurai said he really wanted to flesh out the single player. So it's probably the beginnings of some crazy plot.
That would be godly. I dont know why, but Ive always wanted a really big and fleshed out story/adventure mode. A custom story for every character would be unbelievable, but also impossible, so Im hoping for one really big awesome story that has a few custom events here and there for each character, basically like every other fighting games story modes.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7120783&postcount=8729
superbank laughs at some aspect people are guessing about SSE...
superbank said:
They will chronicle the tales of Online Mode with cinematic pre-rendered cutscenes. This makes sense.










:lol

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7122547&postcount=8748
Proposition on how the 1P mode may work...
[Jiggy note: A Link to the Snitch really nailed this one. Really.]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7123201&postcount=8753
More rumblings about the fact that Sonic is infact already in Brawl! Quickly dismissed by others, but who would blame us back then huh...

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7127163&postcount=8763
"Japan Time" bought and utilized??
titiklabingapat said:
It seems like they discovered new tech to buy Japan time.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=176
Start at 8769 fora nice exchange between us and GamerSoul who found an interesting plot to the possibility of an ADV mode. (Ends at that page)

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7144117&postcount=8842
"RUMBLE FALLS" update sparks doubts on IC's appearance??
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7144370&postcount=8905
GaimeGuy puts him in place
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7144467&postcount=8909
Jiggy too.
Wii said:
DK themed Ice Climber stage
BOOO!!

Also, does that mean Ice Climbers are OUT?
GaimeGuy said:
Wii said:
Well if they're not going to have a unique stage, then they may have been dumped :p
Even better logic!
I suppose that the presence of Delfino Plaza means that Captain Falcon will be out, since it's just like Mute City in Melee.
I suppose that Marth and Roy, despite reality's contradiction, didn't exist in Melee, since they didn't have a working stage.
I suppose that Balloon Fight, Mach Rider, and Mother 1 were represented among the playable roster of Melee, since, you know, they had music in the game and all.
Also, there can only be one vertical scrolling level in Brawl, and the Ice Climbers have to have a vertical-scrolling Icicle Mountain as their stage, no matter what.


Look, you might be right about the Ice Climbers, you might be wrong, but you're making a COMPLETE guess about it.
Jiggy37 said:
Let me see if I can follow your logic.


1) Icicle Mountain was a vertical scrolling stage.
2) Rumble Falls is a vertical scrolling stage.
3) If Ice Climbers were in, they could only have a stage resembling Icicle Mountain.
4) A stage resembling Icicle Mountain resembles Rumble Falls.
5) Therefore, the Ice Climbers' stage would not be unique.
6) Ice Climbers probably can't be in unless they have a unique stage.
7) Therefore, Ice Climbers probably can't be in.


But the third premise makes no sense. There's nothing to suggest that Ice Climbers are locked into having a stage anything like Icicle Mountain again. Mario stages don't have the side bumpers from SSB, Zelda stages don't have the tornadoes, and Pokemon stages don't even have random Pokemon popping out to attack you.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7145486&postcount=8940
And we return to "Who is in danger of being cut"!

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7158483&postcount=8985
YOSHI update. Someone is unhappy to the new look of him however....
+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7158660&postcount=9027
And again. Wow.
+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7158815&postcount=9041
And... again... (I suggest reading the rest of the page for full lols)
Though he does later admit he wasn't being serious... (really?)

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7159789&postcount=9067
YOSHI: Dinosaur or Dragon?
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7160378&postcount=9071
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7160455&postcount=9073
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7160504&postcount=9075
SuperAngelo64 said:
And for the record, he was initially a dragon which means he can have shells or whatever the **** else because dragons are fictional.

I was always convinced it was a shell they were born with that just made a really convenient saddle.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=184
Jigglypuff, Discussion of overrepresented series, cries over Mewtwo?

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7172511&postcount=9262
The "All these levels look the same!!" argument is broken down

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7176048&postcount=9285
underfooter expects 40-50 levels! Response is balanced between "Ridiculous!" and "Hmm. Makes sense."
underfooter said:
I expect Brawl to have close to 40 or 50 levels, so I'm not going to run off crying that some of them are too basic.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7179396&postcount=9312
No Online argument creeps back up again
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7179452&postcount=9314
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7179736&postcount=9318
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7179736&postcount=9319
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7180027&postcount=9321
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7180801&postcount=9326
Innotech said:
why do people still assume theres no online in SSBB?
Its still a ways off and the TGS show is in between (I think) so isnt it still possible that they are leaving it as a surprise or something? Or did they outright say there isnt one? (not a deal breaker if it isnt but it would be nice for fans)

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7184742&postcount=9348
New kid comes along with a nice question of "What is a megaton?"
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7184912&postcount=9349
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7184947&postcount=9351

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7185866&postcount=9418
The "FOOTSTOOL" jump updates confuses some as to what a 'meteor smash' is, Mo the Hawk nicely lists who had such attacks.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7199724&postcount=9538
You disappear when ATs are used??
PkunkFury said:
WordAssassin said:
Doesn't this update also prove that your character disappears when you use an Assist Trophy?
this looks to be the case. Especially with that first screenshot. I can't understand why they'd make your character disappear though, since you get to hang around with pokemon on screen. Maybe assist trophies are harder to avoid or something, so they don't want you using them to set up combos? Or they don't want too many characters on screen at once in case a few people get assists?

The best reason i can think of for making your character disappear would be if you take control of the assist character, but Sakurai seemed to deny it:

Super Smash Bros. Brawl is sort of like a festival that all sorts of characters show up for. Bear in mind, though, that you can’t control any of the characters appearing on these pages. Let there be no mistake about that.
could this be a translation error? Is it possible you do control assist characters and this quote is referring to the inability to select these characters at the begining of a fight? Perhaps someone can double check the Japanese phrasing. seems leaving play while your assist character does its work would break up the frantic pace of the game

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7212633&postcount=9585
Voice chat or BUST! usea, responds.
usea said:
MasterMFauli said:
I say it again:

If Nintendo doesnt release a wireless headset at least together with SSBB and makes use of it in SSBB, they can forget about an online-mode.
Online-gaming in a game like SSBB without voices is like offline-gaming, just with, depending, stronger CPU-opponents.
Why is it that every single post of yours in this thread is incredibly, EPICALLY retarded?

For real. Just go through them. It's sad.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7229318&postcount=9640
Discussion of how a CPU can never replicate a real player, provokes this below-average response.
esbern said:
you all do realize that the best chess player in the world has lost games to a computer (was it called deep blue?)

and don't even attempt to claim that smash brothers is as complicated as that game. or that any of you could pretend to be at that level of playing, next to a game that has been around for hundreds of years and still has strategies being made today.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7230873&postcount=9737
A late update, spawns this image to help ease the pain.
Taxman said:
OMG BEST UPDATE EVER!!
1185780088902.jpg


If only...

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7231491&postcount=9814
Amazing prognstication from PkunkFury!
PkunkFury said:
I'm guessing 35 individual characters tops. Assuming all unique characters return from Melee (and counting Sheik and Zamus as unique characters) 24 characters are already known (5 new to brawl). I think expecting more than another 10 is a bit much. He only added 7 unique characters to Melee. Adding 15 to Brawl already doubles the output.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7240139&postcount=9826
- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7241460&postcount=9829
HauntedOne seems pretty excited for Kirby's possible FS! (Which, we know from the opening cinematics is to be cook-kirby!)
Haunted One said:
You think he'll boil everyone in a pot? That would be ****ing awesome. [...] I'd choose him as a character for that FS alone.
Haunted One said:
A Link to the Snitch said:
In Kirby Super Star, when Kirby uses the Cook ability, every enemy on screen gets forced into a boiling pot, and then he cooks them. In the end, healing items come out.
Of course, we don't know how this'll work in Brawl, but this part makes it look like a better final smash than others, because it would be a surefire hit. We've seen that DK's FS has a limited range, and Pikachu's FS can even lead to a self-destruct. Interested in how they'll balance this.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7244413&postcount=9891
PITFALL item update, reignites the discussion for a new AC char
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7244765&postcount=9905
For
++ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7247817&postcount=9911
Against

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7258580&postcount=9984
Japan time is 1 hr late! Reminisce.
Danthrax said:
This reminds me of...

GAFcry-SSBBedition.jpg

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7258636&postcount=10000
Happy 10k!!
cvxfreak said:
I'm liking that DK Final Smash. Bongos ftw! :lol

EDIT: 10,000! :D:D:D:D
 

Jiggy

Member
Quote Archivist: scottnak

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Section of Posts: #12,501 to 15,000



- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7408432&postcount=12509
EktorPR fears what may happen if Online is not included in Brawl...
EktorPR said:
Wow, this "online" thing...it's really scary. I mean, to think what would happen if Nintendo announced that the game wouldn't have online multiplayer. GAF would explode, and then some. Nintendo haters would come out of their tombs to feed on the innocent. The Apocalypse.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7416879&postcount=12545
A Link to the Snitch discusses AT possibilities after the Devil is announced. Correctly picks the appearance of Lakitu droping Spinies!
A Link to the Snitch said:
There are so many possibilities for Assist Trophies! After Devil, anyone could make it in.

Lip could drop Garbage Blocks all over the level

The Star Fox team could attack opponents on any level

Totakeke could appear in any level through AT

Lakitu could drop Spinies and hang items from a fishing pole

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7416879&postcount=12575
muramura calls for the release of Olimar!! (8/14 post date, Just 2 days after PKMN Trainer reveal)

+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=253
STICKERS revealed!
- ShockingAlberto: Joke?
- Firestorm: Replacing Trophies? Dark Ninja says better not! JohnTinker too.
- Jiggy with the first 'positive' post calling it "the coolest art gallery ever". miyuru agrees. Kandinsky is happy
- Speevy says worse than smoke bomb update! Zeed concurs. Enduin agrees too. careksims not happy either.
- AceBandage says in ADDITION to trophies. sp0rsk asserts it's IN ADDITION!
- flipping_heck fears online will only involve trading stickers!
- MrCheez brings up a new point... why aren't stickers transparent??

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7421814&postcount=12679
SumGamer mistakes LonLon Milk from OOT for something from Harvest Moon! RiskyChris is going to revoke his gaming license :(. SumGamer is willing to bribe $10 to ignore this mistake
SumGamer said:
various03_070815c-l.jpg


Isn't that bottle of milk from Harvest Moon? Maybe there are more surprises.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7423363&postcount=12713
turk128 with an amazing revalation! STICK the STICKERS on the TROPHIES!
turk128 said:
Rentahamster said:
How do you attend to the details of stickers? They're....stickers.
Make it so you can stick 'em on your trophies?

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7424664&postcount=12726
BobJustBob gets inspiration from the stickers of the REWARD GRID from Kirby Air Ride!! Amazing.
BobJustBob said:
Best update yet. Sounds like the stickers will be rewards for "achievements" (wink wink) which is awesome. Flashes of the kickass Reward Grid in Kirby Air Ride.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7434238&postcount=12800
Zeed with a plan to find a way to thank Sakurai... with the "help" of fellow GAFfers
Zeed said:
LegendofJoe said:
Just sending a card to Sakurai would be kind of insensitive. He has a huge team working with him on the game, they deserve just as much credit as he does.
Good point, that. We can address the card to him and his team then. I know someone who can write out a message in Japanese for us, and then I can send the card on to other willing participants. Each person adds a dollar or two to the envelope so that the last person can ship it to Japan. We need:

A) Card (suggestions on the type would be nice)
B) Enough people to contribute enough money to mail it to Japan
C) Their address
[Jiggy note: This is an amazing idea. :eek: Maybe we should really get on it.]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7434800&postcount=12812
fusoya59 hatin' with an AT Ness Prediction!
fusoya59 said:
I predict a new assist trophy: Ness.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7435389&postcount=12901
Dubbs very bitter at Zeed calling out his mistake. + Nervous Breakdown Special!
- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7435515&postcount=12919 (Pt 2)
BANNED!
[Jiggy note: One of the more meltdowny meltdowns, definitely. Read. Go.]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7438374&postcount=12947
Remember back when we thought every char could use their FS only once? Good times...
Zeed said:
El Papa said:
0 Suit Samus is my new main.
We still don't know if she's selectable or only available through using Samus' Final Smash. It creates a problem - characters are only allowed one Final Smash each, but if in order to get ZSS you MUST use Samus' Final Smash, that means ZSS won't have one, which won't be fair.
[Jiggy note: “0” Suit Samus? Seriously?]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7442029&postcount=12977
PkunkFury accurately says ZSS FS would involve getting her suit back (if she has one...)

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7449891&postcount=13019
underfooter hopes hopes hopes for Olimar, with Pikmin following him, and can throw 'em around... hm. Nice hopes.
underfooter said:
I really would like to see Captain Olimar as a playable character. He must be, and it'd be cool if a swarm of small pikmin followed him around and he could throw them.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7450266&postcount=13100
OLD OLD OLD RUMORS. A blast to the past perhaps. Good for laughs? The next page is full of speculations (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=263)
and of course SOMEONE reminds everyone of sp0rsk's wrath (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7450540&postcount=13134)
A Link to the Snitch's in depth analysis (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7453639&postcount=13155)

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7451835&postcount=13150
TheKingsCrown... REALLY... ... REALLY likes Peach...
DEAR JEEBUS WHAT IS THIS SECTION. SUFFER LIKE I HAD TO.
+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=264
+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=265
I can see why this has been purged from my memory...
TheKingsCrown said:
YES, PEACH PEACH PEACH PEACH

I LOVE YOU PEACH

IN MY BED, WITH MY WIIMOTE, YOU AND I

SHALL MAKE SWEET BREAKFAST FOOD AND/OR LOVE

YOUR UMBRELLA SUBTLY TAPPING MY BUTT WITH ITS ROUND GOODNESS
[Jiggy note: Yeah, uh, I don’t even dare click on those pages if this is the part that came before scottnak freaked out over what he was looking at. D:]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7463860&postcount=13300
SovanJedi with early rationale for Lucario's involvement in Brawl!
SovanJedi said:
There's several reasons for me that Lucario would make the perfect new Pokémon challenger;-

1) He's a Fighting type (actually Fighting/Steel)
2) He's got a wide variety of moves, including Aura Sphere which could make for a unique projectile attack.
3) He's a humanshape Pokémon, like Mewtwo.
4) He's the star of one of the most recent films and one of the best representatives of Diamond/Pearl, earning Legendary status despite not being in any way shape or form a Legendary Pokemon.
5) He's quick!


...then again I also thought that Deoxys would make it as a playable character with the 4-form changing thing. Such is the validity of my opinion. :(

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7468422&postcount=13328
Dark Ninja is all for Diddy, puts down Mona... but gets the singing part right... (sorta)
Dark Ninja said:
Diddy has a pretty high chance to be a character
He's been getting in all the "Mario Games" lately like Mario party and Mario strikers
He's also the only other DK character that has a chance of getting in
Id rather see Diddy than Mona
also what is mona gonna do?
sing Monas pizza?

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7470238&postcount=13346
Zeed is FIRM in his belief that the Aonuma interview from back when solidifies Shiek's involvement in the game...
Zeed said:
I'm willing to take Aonuma at his word, provided that the interview was not a mistranslation. The director of Twilight Princess is a lot more believable in my eyes than any random GameFAQs bum. We know that Shiek is in the game, from what we've seen so far Zelda has exactly the same move set, and on top of that Sakurai went through the trouble of having the model updated to match the TP style. For me, all of this taken together indicates only one possible conclusion. It would be an unfathomable waste to throw away a proven move set and create a painstakingly customized character model all for, say, an assist trophy.

+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=268
The MOJO updates finally catch main stream!

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7480119&postcount=13407
Jiggy's bold music predictions.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7480974&postcount=13431
MrCheez picks BRAWL's Final quirky Secret Char
IAmTheFMan agrees! Zeed shuts it down to an AT
MrCheez said:
Hmm you know I was thinking...

I bet ROB the robot has a chance of making it into the game as the "Final" quirky secret character, like Mr. Game & Watch in Melee.

Both characters are strange and completely unexpected in this kind of game, and both represent Nintendo's early days.

Forget for a moment that ROB doesn't have legs and it'd be hard to come up with a moveset for him... we all know how creative Sakurai and co. are. They could come up with something if they really wanted to. :lol

ROB!!!

200px-Robotic_Operating_Buddy.jpg

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7483312&postcount=13472
Anihawk says ALF is in!!!
AniHawk said:
Alf assist trophy. He attacks in pog form with his good friend, Steve Allen.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7483379&postcount=13485
Zeed revokes Firestorm's Zelda license now.
Zeed said:
Gale Boomerang instead of the old one, plus the Clawshot instead of the Hookshot, good stuff.

Firestorm said:
Tornado Boomerang
Hero's Bow
Spin Attack
Grappling Hook

=/ We know this stuff!
I am officially revoking your Zelda license.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7490388&postcount=13580
Zoramon089 is not too happy with the ledge auto-grapple update...
Zoramon089 said:
Firestorm said:
I was thinking this too. Link's only saving grace when it comes to recovery is being able to hookshot onto a wall and propel himself up. If they make it how it sounds (only can grapple onto an actual ledge), then... sounds like a downgrade rather than an upgrade.
Yeah, only being able to grapple onto ledges sounds kinda horrible...I mean, would that mean that if he's too far below the edge the chain just won't grapple to the wall? That'd be horrible as sometimes you just don't return high enough (and if you did you'd most likely use the spin attack to recover)...

PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE LEARNED TO AIM ACCURATELY! It really wasn't that hard and it added a ton to Link in terms of recovering being able to grapple certain walls at certain points along them

+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=273
SUBSPACE Enemies are revealed. Half of the page is people going nuts over ROB being an enemy!
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7498808&postcount=13650
MrCheez feels even more confident of his previous statement about ROB!
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7498822&postcount=13655
Jiggy has his say
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7498823&postcount=13656
Zeed will call him a prophet should it come true...
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7498917&postcount=13686
This update leads Keru_Shiri to believe SORA is playable!

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7499839&postcount=13754
SuperAngelo64 laughs at a character's profile + a movie shot. Hah
SuperAngelo64 said:

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7500940&postcount=13764
Waluigi defense force!
WildArms said:
Waluigi's character >>>>> Luigi's character >>>>> Mario's character.

Mario is..um..courageous? Seriously what type of guy is he anyway? We know Luigi is a bit of a coward, and Waluigi is Sly, reckless, a bit of a cheater, sinister, and Mario Party 8 hints a bit of romantism. (The rose suits him so much!)

Also, no, he's no alot like Wario. Wario is out right rude and greedy, while Waluigi does it more behind the scenes.

Brawl could potentially be the start of an awesome future for Waluigi. Believe!

<3 Waluigi.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7502721&postcount=13775
Ahh. A "leaked" roster screen.
Gowans007 said:
roster.jpg


Looks like a healthy roster! :D

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7506912&postcount=13834
How many characters to expect? SuperAngelo64 says AT LEAST 45?
SuperAngelo64 said:
I know the pic is obviously fake but am I the only one who sees 50 characters as an entirely realistic number? I would expect at LEAST 45 for this game...

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7508478&postcount=13865
Frillen: "this thread has potential to get over 25000 posts."
[Jiggy note: Better yet, Firestorm provides cross-comparisons to other huge threads of the time. Check it out!]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7508737&postcount=13866
MrCheez prognosticatin' once again... did it fair well?
- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7509795&postcount=13877
How about Jiggy?
- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7509822&postcount=13879
Zeed responds (later clarifies they are DEFINITE in) [+ BANBET!]
[Jiggy note: These posts were about the character rosters. For the record, I said minimum 35. >_>]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7510384&postcount=13917
... more Zeed, going off on FE representation.
Zeed said:
Dark Ninja said:
Yeah but look how many characters they got 1 and 2 for Ice Climbers(if you count them seperate)
How many Ice Climber games there have been?

That's right! One.

Guess how many Fire Emblem games there have been. Ten!

If the Ice Climbers can get in with their single, virtually unknown game, then it would make absolutely zero sense to write off any more newcomers from Fire Emblem. There were two in Melee when it was relatively obscure, even in Japan. Since then the series has become a worldwide hit. It deserves three, and it's not rediculous to imagine that it'll get three.
[Jiggy note: My favorite part is that Dark Ninja seems to think it’s reasonable to interpret that there are two Ice Climbers characters.]

+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=281
Answer: It's what happens when THIS is late.
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7514638&postcount=14089
Answer: It's what happens when you make a fake DOJO announcement post!
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7515296&postcount=14171
Answer: This site, created by facts supported by a majority, conjectures of why Japan Time is still late
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7515398&postcount=14192
2 hours, 21 minutes & 4 pages later. Japan Time finally comes. NEW CHAR [Diddy!]
Reactions are quite mixed in Diddy's inclusion.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7522011&postcount=14359
Caspel takes the rare side of expecting only 25! (With 30-40 being 'High Hopes')

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7522740&postcount=14367
1st instance of that 'sakurai poll' that kept getting thrown around...
- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7523365&postcount=14388
Another one...
[Jiggy note: These were Sakurai’s polls prior to Melee and prior to Brawl, asking the gamer fanbase which characters they wanted to see in the games. Far too long to quote here, but absolutely worth a look.]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7526137&postcount=14402
TJ Spyke explains why Olimar is not going to be playable...
TJ Spyke said:
Olimar won't be a playable character in the game. I know they play around with the heights in the game (Pikachu is under 2 feet tall), but Olimar would be too much since he is the size of a quarter (0.955 inches).

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7526777&postcount=14418
Who "deserves" to be in. Who "will" be in.
Linkhero1 said:
Scribble said:
Yes, they can. Falco is a more important and significant character to the Star Fox series, so Falco "deserves" to get in more than Wolf.
They're probably both going to end up in the game.

+ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157914&page=292
The KK Rider Music Update (+ Yoshi FS)
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7531870&postcount=14582
Yoshi had wings??
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7531927&postcount=14598
Verano laughs.
-- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7535593&postcount=14669
Yoshi is NOT a Dragon!! I don't care what Sakurai says.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7543229&postcount=14728
A nice wallpaper made by MrCheez!
MrCheez said:
Check it!

brawlwallpaper_preview.png


There is a preview! What do you think? It's not perfect (some areas are a little sloppy) and its fairly simple in design but it took a bit of time to delete the background from each character portrait and to resize them all accordingly to eachother.

If anyone wants to use... enjoy!

1024x768 Version
1280x800 Widescreen Version

Edit: 1280x1024 Version

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7546024&postcount=14769
Early theorizing of how SSE would exactly work... Interestingly right before the next update which shows Petey as a subspace boss, then knowledge of "branching" between choosing Zelda v Peach
Somnid said:
MrCheez said:
I'd be really surprised if thats how it ends up working... I think that would disappoint a lot of people. Not being able to play a mode as the character of your choice in a fighting game? (that might have as many as 40 characters...) Seems like it would be a bad gameplay decision.

As for your second sentence, that sounds more like something that would work... however I still see problems with it. What the character you pick contradicts what happens to that specific character in the cinema? (For instance, if Peach really does stay kidnapped for part of the adventure mode... what happens when you play Peach?)
I don't see anything wrong, I mean it's stupid to not play as every character at least once and it makes the most sense. Obviously, you couldn't play as everyone because like you said, if Peach is locked up then it makes no sense story-wise to see her rescueing herself. My idea was that you build up a party, so say you start as Mario and then after helping out Kirby he joins and now you have a pool of 2 chars to pick from. I'm leaning more towards a combination of the two, like for specific story events like franchise bosses you'd play as the appropriate character but for levels in a non-specific Smash themed stuff you'd play as whoever you choose.

I definately do not see you being able to play any character on any stage.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7547935&postcount=14836
And just like Jiggy guessed, I got stuck with the Peach-Jabba section. Lovely
GrimReaper said:
Speevy said:
The one you don't save becomes a sex slave to Petey Piranha, of course.
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- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7548014&postcount=14845
Reconjecturing after the new Petey/ Zelda v Peach update.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7548016&postcount=14846
And here we go with the weird stuff again.
- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7548056&postcount=14854
Obviously need the Zelda supporter for the above... >.>
[Jiggy note: To quote Crushed, “lolwut”]

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7548470&postcount=14867
Maxrpg is AMAZED how Zelda in SSBB looks like TP's Zelda. AMAZING
Maxrpg said:
I'm amazed at how much
modea04_070824e-l.jpg

looks like

s26771_wii_13.jpg


Just awesome

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7553703&postcount=14921
Everyone remember Jonk? With his inside sauce? Finally got banned after this post.
Jonk said:
A mature response! Ah dont worry, it's ok Zeed. You do enough name calling for yourself.

Internet is serious business, huh? :lol

Anyways, Pokey is going to have some presence in Brawl. This has been posted over at Starmen.Net for at least a week publicly. To the extent that is going to be we don't know yet, but his name/influence has been mentioned concerning brawl. With Ness, we are unsure about his return, nothing has surfaced so I am in the same park as everyone else here is about that.

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7555889&postcount=14951
300! Back when that was an unheardof number...
Zeed said:
First post of Page 300! Woot, what a milestone!

NECA0011~300-Posters.jpg

- http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7558077&postcount=14981
A summary of Jonk's adventures, + a "zealous" supporter
Firestorm said:
Are you Jonk using another account or something? Read his posts:

Jonk said:
EarthBound fans will not be disappointed when the time comes and that time WILL come. :)
Jonk said:
I'm not guessing. :)
Jonk said:
EarthBound will be seen again. :)
Jonk said:
One thing I do know, if they bumped it to a later time, it will be worth it.

This is brawl news that the EarthBound fans will like and may give people hope for other things.
Ugh. :) :) :) As far as I know, this shit isn't tolerated on GAF. He probably works at Starman or something and wanted to flaunt that he had some knowledge. His posts made it sound like some crazy announcement. This is typical Matt Camamsmamdineniandimina-like BS right there. It was an item. Big fat hairy deal.
[Jiggy note: The section this next quote comes from was never searched through. But here it is, Post 11828.]
usea said:
Jonk said:
I think I could say "see I told you EarthBound fans would be happy" but I think it is already self-evident. I knew what was coming (and I knew it wasn't Lucas, never stated it was), but you all didnt believe me.

I will never give a hint again to GAF again of anything I receive after this crapshoot.

It just comes to show you how stupid people here can be here.

Enjoy your EarthBound.
Chew on a bag of rusty dicks.
 

Jiggy

Member
Quote Archivists: Syth_Blade22 and Jiggy37

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Sections of Posts: #15,001 to 16,000 (Syth_Blade) and 15,850 to 17,500 (Jiggy)


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7576833&postcount=15031 - Zeed declares dreams. Beginning of the end. Begins a lengthy discussion about why Lyn should be in the game.
Zeed said:
Jiggy37 said:
Also, Zeed's new avatar is awesome. Now I feel like looking up Lyn art myself. :(
:D

Here's to Lyn being in Brawl!


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7576985&postcount=15038 - MrCheez, loves his Dojo, dreams about it.
MrCheez said:
So... is anyone else OBSESSED with the Dojo? Be honest - during the day at any point do you think of that night's update? Even when its hours away? And if you do, how often do you do this? Every day or only every so often?

These daily updates have made me totally obsessed and Smash Bros crazy. :lol I find myself constantly looking forward to the update and wondering what will be revealed. I -almost- wish they were weekly instead of daily, so I could go on with my life the other 4 days of the week. :lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7592854&postcount=15259 - Things got slow, SuperAngelo made fun of Link's sexuality.
SuperAngelo64 said:
Zeed said:
Now let's count the female bow-weilding swordswomen.
Link, Young Link :lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7595171&postcount=15356 - Jocchan gets creative with Andross.
Jocchan said:
Well, it appears I'm late...
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7598963&postcount=15429 - Funny Donkey Kong vs Pokemon Trainer comic.
Teasel said:
you know i was thinking... Sakurai Know Kojima (MGS in Brawl) and Kojima Know Inafune (Django in MMBN)
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7607426&postcount=15577 - trainer low level badge lolz
McBacon said:
SuperAngelo64 said:
pokemon_trainer_070829f-l.jpg

Charizard is a hardcore motherfucker.
poke.jpg


I guess the trainer didn't have a very high level badge...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7621962&postcount=15732 - gizzogled gliding
[Jiggy note: Made it into a link since it's Imageshack.]
SuperAngelo64 said:
A bit off topic. But in the past few weeks, every time they've updated I find that I can add twice the fun by running the update page through the "Gizoogle" translator:

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9427/glidingwk2.png


Just thought I'd share that.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7635272&postcount=15840 - sp0rsk passes out
sp0rsk said:
Gameee....offffff...theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee................................nnnnnnnnnnyagh


[Jiggy note: I take over from here out.]

Post 15855 - Zeed identifies the person who masterfully called the WarioWare stage.
Zeed said:
Guys, I tracked it down. This post on page 75 was the first to correctly predict this stage.

Tonight's vindication award goes to BGBW.
BGBW said:
Grecco said:
Wario will be seperate since its the Warioware Wario

I wonder if there will be a Warioware themed stage too
The stage changes every five seconds. It will be a tourney player's favourite!

Post 15862 - superbank on Brawl's style.
superbank said:
stage10_0700831c-l.jpg


"WW Link wont fit! He doesn't fit the unified realistic look of Brawl!"

:lol Sorry. Every time something like this pops up I'm reminded of someone toting that line.

Post 16007 - Jiggy on whether SSBB can make GOTY.
Jiggy37 said:
No way SSBB's taking GOTY honors with the critics, even though it'll be my Game of the Forever (Until SSB4), unless Subspace Emissary on its own is the greatest 2D sidescroller since Donkey Kong Jungle Beat. Smash in general is too multiplayer-oriented and critics are too single-player-oriented.
The other trouble is that it it's a sequel and liable to get criticized for being non-innovative. (Which is inane and insane, since the only alternative to being non-innovative is to create awesome gaming once and then never attempt to do anything like it again--and that would suck for all of us.)


That said, it'll rank very highly on Gamerankings. It just won't make any publication's GOTY lists, because they'll want to seem "professional" or some such by picking a game that meets such luminous criteria as being a new and "innovative" IP, pushing technological boundaries, providing "atmosphere," having a "deep" story, etc.

Post 16108 - Early Jiggy statistics. Even earlier than the ones in the next section, which, before I had started relooking over this section for the sake of this archive thread, I thought may very well have been the first time I did them.
Jiggy37 said:
F-Zero and Mother have only received one update each; every other series has had three or more. (Of the series revealed so far, so no Metal Gear, for example.) With that in mind, I predict something related to F-Zero or Mother.


The last character profile update was 8-22; a final smash and music came on 8-23; other updates are pretty recent. There have been sixteen character profiles, seven final smashes, and seven music updates (counting The Musicians). However, neither F-Zero nor Mother have a character profile yet, so they can't have a final smash.


So out of character profiles and music... I'll predict either a Captain Falcon profile, F-Zero music, or Mother music. No Mother character. Not yet, anyway. I think the reveal of Mother content in SSBB will be a drawn-out tease, going by the "Why does it say MOTHER on it?" text from the Franklin Badge update.
And also going by Amir0x's luck with anything Mother-related.

Post 16379 - I want that too, Zeed. :( The best part is that since it would be much less complicated to design stats than movesets, they could bring in many of the minor characters who would never be playable in Smash. Oh, wait: I had already said pretty much that in the thread already
Jiggy37 said:
Zeed said:
I just had a spontaneous thought. Now that SSBB's getting a storyline (and Sakurai's probably going to go do his own thing for a while at least), why not hand the IP to IntSys and make Super Smash Bros. Tactics? Fire Emblem, but with Nintendo allstars!
The truly great thing about it would be that without needing to design anything more than stat growths and a couple attack animations per character, they could probably have a cast of like 70 and include all sorts of characters.


Post 16402 and Post 16411 - sp0rsk notifies us of a milestone.
sp0rsk said:
This is the first thread to have over 1 million views.
sp0rsk said:
The closest is, not surprisingly, the post pictures of yourself thread with 800 somethign thousand views.


Post 16476 - The days when Zeed dominated the Dojo thread. Top 20 included, only.

Cyan said:
Zeed 680
ShockingAlberto 501
ant1532 333
Firestorm 326
superbank 314
Haunted One 309
Jiggy37 291
GaimeGuy 258
Alkaliine 241
Linkzg 227
Danthrax 197
A Link to the Snitch 177
Keru_Shiri 173
PkunkFury 172
WastingPenguins 170
Shinobix 166
SuperAngelo64 158
Dark Ninja 155
MrCheez 147
Somnid 138

Post 16956 - JonathanEx on the unpredictability of the Dojo.
JonathanEx said:
Sakurai loves pissing you off. You go "no new [characters] on the blog", there's a new one revealed first on the blog. You go "no gimmick [characters]", Pokemon Trainer. You go "Metaknight = unlock wont be on site", his profile goes up. You go "Diddy Kong isn't important enough", he is in the game. You go "delay [for the update] = character" and get a special move and stage.


Post 17125 - A Link to the Snitch and Iam Canadian want personalized shields for each character, rather than Yoshi having an egg and everybody else having a bubble. A bit unwieldy to quote, but it includes such ideas as Donkey and Diddy hiding in barrels, and Link swinging the Cane of Byrna.


Post 17185, Post 17186, Post 17193, Post 17207, Post 17272, and Post 17375 - Just a few reactions to the My Music megaton. Of all the megatons, this one might still be my overall favorite.

Zeed said:
MUSIC MODE

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music08_070907b-l.jpg


DARK WORLD MUSIC CONFIRMED
NSMB THEME CONFIRMED
SUPER MARIO WORLD THEME CONFIRMED
Jiggy37 said:
BEST UPDATES EVER.

To think I only predicted a double update. Triple! Sakurai, you outdo yourself.
Linkzg said:
wow, no joke, MEGATON!

like...wow, this is ABOVE AND FREAKING BEYOND

multiple tracks for each stage! selecting them! omg! this is amazing
Jiggy37 said:
You know, if SSBB cost $50 and was nothing but the five or so music CDs it'll probably fill up, I'd get it.
[Jiggy note: Wow, did I underestimate that one.]
Scalpel Knight said:
Seriously, how much better can this game get?
I'm hoping that the last megaton update will be online play.
[Jiggy note: Online play came eleven days later.]
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
WOW. I mean: Sakurai is putting his soul in that game. It's ***ing awesome !
 

Jiggy

Member
Quote Archivist: Iam Canadian

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7759653&postcount=17604
Munchlax, the original Piplup.
ohamsie said:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7761276&postcount=17634
I just felt that this should be kept on record.
SantaC said:
everyone who still believe in sonic for this game is nuts.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7764903&postcount=17675
I just thought this was funny.
ShockingAlberto said:
Christopher said:
They really need to stop putting new Pokemon in I have no idea who the new ones are :(
They didn't go to your house and ask you about what new features you absolutely didn't want in the game? That's weird. I offered them coffee when they stopped by here.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7765532&postcount=17680
It begins.
Speevy said:
Every single update makes the game seem better, except when it pertains to Pokemon.

The more emphasis on Pokemon this game has, the worse it will be.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7765739&postcount=17685
The "Pokemon in Brawl" argument. Speevy launches the opening salvo.
[Jiggy note: Actually quoting this next series of Pokemon-related posts would be really complicated because of the system the involved posters use for quoting one another. Feel free to click on the above link and then click the thread title in the new window that opens, in order to jump to that post while viewing the rest of the page as well in an easy format. I’ll leave the last quote, though.]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7765740&postcount=17686
Handofgod bashes Pokemon.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7765856&postcount=17688
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7765866&postcount=17689
Raging Spaniard and Firestorm counter-attack.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7766128&postcount=17692
A very terrifying suggestion.
knkng said:
Agreed. They need to hurry up and reveal the Cho Aniki playable characters. It's only a matter of time now...I predict Friday's update.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7766892&postcount=17731
Firestorm defends the Pokemon in Brawl. Very convincingly, I might add.
Firestorm said:
Speevy said:
And if you're going to overuse a franchise, why not Mario? There are a ton of interesting Mario characters that would make a more interesting character than Pokemon Trainer, like the Koopas from Super Mario World and Super Mario Brothers 3, Petey Piranha, Mouser, Birdetta, etc.
There isn't a single character in Mario that would be more interesting to play as than Pokemon Trainer. Maybe if they had a tag team of every Koopa Kid, but that's about it. You just have an extreme bias, that's all.

And it doesn't take much work to put in a Pokemon. First of all, items aren't really balanced and I doubt Sakurai puts much thought into balancing them. I mean, look at SSBM's Venusaur, Ho-oh, Lugia, etc. vs Goldeen or something. Secondly, this update definitely shows that the amount of effort put into the Pokeball Pokemon models is nowhere near the amount of effort put into the real character models. Compare Charizard with Munchlax:

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The complaining is only for a bunch of gamers who consider themselves "older" and think that the game should exclusively cater to those who began gaming with the Atari. Guess what kiddos, Nintendo isn't a stagnant company. They've been creating for years. 10 years ago, they created Pokemon. It became one of their most important franchises.

Not only that, saying Pokemon sucks because it's not nostalgic and then asking for Olimar and Midna is just plain hypocritical.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7766907&postcount=17732
wat
Zerodoppler said:
No one is asking for Olimar or Midna. They're as bad choises as any of the pokemons.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7768991&postcount=17759
Good thing for Firestorm that I wasn't very active in this thread yet.
Firestorm said:
AMUSIX said:
Ok, Ok, fine...officially I'm going with Ness...seems about time for him.
Hard to be time for a character who won't be in the game!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7771347&postcount=17794
A prototypical Jiggy Stats post. I don't know if this was the first, but it's still an early one.
[Jiggy note: Might very well have been the first. The lack of detail is amazing. :eek:]
Jiggy37 said:
Random stats because I like them:


Least recent types of updates, by (my own setup of) categories:
Game mode (non-story-related) - 8-15, Stickers
Final smash - 8-23, Yoshi
Boss - 8-24, Petey Piranha
Item - 8-27, Superspicy Curry
Assist trophy - 8-28, Andross


Least recent types of updates, by franchise:
F-Zero - 7-2, Samurai Goroh assist trophy
Metroid - 7-19, Zero Suit Samus profile
Fire Emblem - 8-2, Castle Siege stage
Mother - 8-10, Franklin Badge item
Legend of Zelda - 8-20, Link's special moves

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7771433&postcount=17798
To go with it, an early Chozo Ruins prediction from Firestorm.
Firestorm said:
Metroid Stage: Chozo Ruins please. That's one of my favourite levels ever =(

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7773210&postcount=17830
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7773211&postcount=17831
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7773238&postcount=17844
Lyn inbound. Zeed's day of tragedy. Never forget. ;_;
Jiggy37 said:
Zeed's gonna be suiciding or something. :(
MrCheez said:
OMG ZEED IT'S LYN!!!!!!!!!!!! :O

.... sorry man :(

assist07_070911a.jpg


Don't do anything you'll regret!!!!
Tristam said:
Zeed on permanent suicide watch.
[Jiggy note: For the sake of context, Zeed had been predicting playable Lyn for months on end. So were a lot of other people, like me, but he was her strongest supporter by far and would always defend the many reasons she should have been in (which she should), going so far as to make a ban bet over it. He was banned for a different reason first, however, and she was literally revealed as an assist trophy that night.]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7776412&postcount=17974
Best image ever? I'd say so.
Halycon said:
Zeed was begging for someone to post this one image, so here:

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7776830&postcount=17989
Another post that the spoilers have made more significant.
MasterMFauli said:
ShockingAlberto said:
I want Marth for the sole reason (well, not sole because then Mfauli would be gone) that it might finally convince NOA to get off their fat asses and translate some VC games.
Your hate for me is saddening :-(

But anyway, if Ridley gets announced being a boss- or trophy-character, i´ll instant-admit my defeat for the bet i made with Zeed and take the 1 month-ban. Non-playable Ridley would be too much of an ownage to me. :-/

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7778192&postcount=18009
It's too bad that we didn't get Photoshops of this quality for the entirety of the Dojo thread.
GrimReaper said:
Alkaliine said:
Zeed upon reading this thread:
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7778332&postcount=18013
Jiggy unknowingly tells the future.
Jiggy37 said:
JohnTinker said:
Predicting Ridley Boss Character update tomorrow
See, I fall just short of going there because I think Ridley would come too late in the game to be shown off by Dojo updates without spoiling something significant. I do think he'll only be a boss, though.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7780920&postcount=18029
Okay, this one just wins. Golden satire right here.
JKBii said:
There is not enough bitching in this thread. I'm tired of Sakurai ignoring handicapped characters in his games. Some people have been saying Sakurai is only doing this because he doesn't have enough options to choose from, but that's just BS. Cranky Kong has a cane, that's a start. Then there's the guy who had a boulder fall on him in Golden Sun II and Professor X from X-Men, both powerful and memorable characters. Sakurai has a wide variety of handicapped characters but he continues to ignore them all.

I know I've been pulling for Andross to get a spot since you know, he lost every body part but his head, but I wanted him to be fully playable. By making him an assist trophie he is marginalizing Andross so I am bitching about that and I will continue to bitch about it until Sakurai makes him and several other handicapped characters make the cut.

Obviously the problem lies in the development team. There simply aren't enough handicapped people on dev teams. I'm not talking about the interns that get hired because their coffee runs go by quicker of they hold the handle of a car door, I'm talking about handicapped people controlling the storyline, the art direction, and yes, I want handicapped game directors too. Maybe then the industry will wake up and start making games taylored to handicapped people so the few handicapped gamers out there can feel more comfortable with a hobby dominated by functional people.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7780969&postcount=18030
Okay, maybe a bit overdone, but I still find this funny.
SovanJedi said:
"Hey, have you got that Lyn character profile ready for today's Dojo update?"

"Yes sir, I think it's all r- oh, wait a minute. Wait."

"What?"

"There's these two guys on this English-speaking forum making a 'ban bet' on whether she should be in the game or not."

"They are? Hmm... Okay, scrap it. Lyn is an Assist Trophy now. Get to it!"

"Y..y.yessir!"

"That should mix things up a bit, don't want them making accurate predictions about my work now do we? BWAHAHAHAHA!"

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7781273&postcount=18037
I don't know if I should laugh or be really creeped out. Or both?
Raging Spaniard said:
Hey Jigglypuffs a girl too!

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7781513&postcount=18051
I'm frankly quite amazed that people were doubting Master Hand.
Raging Spaniard said:
Speaking of Master Hand, I totally dont see him as the last boss anymore ... just not iconic enough, I think hell be a sub boss.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7789490&postcount=18205
Once again, I'm amazed that people thought that Meta Knight would be the antagonist. It's good to see that at least Jiggy and A Link to the Snitch were on the right track.
Jiggy37 said:
Also, now A Link to the Snitch is vindicated, since he was the most vocal person other than me (and much moreso than me) saying Meta Knight wasn't going to be the villain based on his character history in every Kirby game.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7790049&postcount=18229
While I disagree with this post, it's still well-written and logical. It's also interesting to look back on knowing what we know now.
[Jiggy note: Really long, but basically it’s a discussion over whether the game would have been better served to have more stages where the battling took place more “in the environment” rather than on floating platforms in front of it. The following post is also pretty long, on a similar subject.]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7790425&postcount=18236
Another interesting post on stage design. I agree that some of Melee's gimmick stages didn't turn out all that well.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7792380&postcount=18254
This is just disturbing.
G-Off said:
TheOneGuy said:
And he could turn people into his slaves.

Imagine Bowser dressed up like Tingle, doing his bidding (for a limited amount of time, naturally).

So awesome.
But then he'd look like a sex slave. Bowser in green spandex.

Is that really what you want?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7793281&postcount=18261
Huh, I didn't realize that I had posted about this subject at this early point.
Iam Canadian said:
I'm not entirely sure why everybody is claiming that Meta-Knight is the villain. In fact, I daresay he may be one of the main players in fighting the villains of the Subspace Emissary. After all, in the Kirby games, Meta-Knight is usually portrayed as a hero or antihero. Look at The Amazing Mirror, for example.

There are only two instances (in the main platformers, not counting stuff like Kirby's Avalanche) that Kirby has fought Meta-Knight: Kirby's Adventure and Kirby Super Star. In Adventure, Meta-Knight is working for Dedede and is in fact fighting against the Nightmare since if Kirby defeats Dedede, it will release the Nightmare. (In the game, Dedede splits the Star Rod to seal the Nightmare in the Fountain of Dreams while Kirby, not knowing what Dedede is doing, tries to restore the Star Rod) In Kirby Super Star, Meta-Knight was apparently possessed by Nightmare. That's obviously a retcon but it's HAL's series and what they say goes.

Personally, I suspect that Master Hand is the Subspace Emissary's true mastermind.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7795754&postcount=18293
Another stellar animated GIF. :D
Thunder Monkey said:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7796258&postcount=18304
*Fetal position*
Haunted One said:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7799987&postcount=18315
I'm sensing a little bitterness here.
Cyan said:
Yeah, Tingle would be a great character.

Up B: Float around on a stupid-ass balloon
B: Make a face like you have down syndrome
Side B: Make a retarded noise and say you wish you were a fairy
Down B: Charge FIVE THOUSAND FUCKING RUPEES to translate a goddamn map for a shitty fetch quest

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7803278&postcount=18370
I hate to quote one of my own posts, but I like the thought that I put into this one. >_>
[Jiggy note: So do I. It’s really enormous, though, and not suitable for direct quoting. :D Sorry. :p]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7803377&postcount=18373
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7803391&postcount=18374
Jiggy and Raging Spaniard respond. Yeah, I don't know where I got the idea that the villain of the SSE would be an established Nintendo villain either. >_< I still like the concept of Dark Matter as the villain, though.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7818858&postcount=18569
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7818893&postcount=18582
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7818938&postcount=18599
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7818943&postcount=18601
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7818970&postcount=18610
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7818975&postcount=18612 (I like this one for the Futurama reference)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7818980&postcount=18614
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7819003&postcount=18620
Ice Climber bitter tears! Excellent, EXCELLENT!
[Jiggy note: Yeah, I’m not quoting all of those. <_<]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7820073&postcount=18688
Marth is out, says Haunted One.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7820178&postcount=18699
...And so is Sheik. Well, he did say that he's the worst predictor in the thread. >_>

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7821932&postcount=18737
MrCheez's roster prediction.
[Jiggy note: Each of the above three posts are pretty sizable.]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7822820&postcount=18750
Wario as a Game and Watch clone?
-WindYoshi- said:
psycho_snake said:
Why Mr G&W? There isnt any other character like him, so they cant replace him with anybody.
Wario.
If G&W stays, then wario will pretty much be his semi-clone.

Many fans clamored for Wario to join the fray, and so now he finally makes his appearance...in his WarioWare costume.

It’s rumored that this unpredictable character will give birth to a form of martial arts that other characters cannot even see.

wario_070620a-l.jpg

(see how he waddles side to side like game & watch?)
wario_070620b-l.jpg

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7825120&postcount=18782
Apparently, the Ice Climbers are cute.
EktorPR said:
Frozen Fire said:
Wow.... I am throughly suprised. I really honestly thought they would not be in this one. Oh well, they are kinda cute anyway.

Well, here is something I've kind of noticed. Their are a heck of a lot fluffier and the hammers are a lot bigger to give them a more teddy bear look. I guess Nintendo is trying to make them more into a "cute" character. If they were really trying then they did it.... As much as it pains me to say this.. I just wanna hug the little buggers.. :D

Dey wook soo fluwffy an soff.
:lol

I came here to post exactly the same thing minus the "Nintendo trying to make them cuter" part. I mean, the ARE cute. They were born with cuteness all around them...cuteness was their mother and father combined...single mother carrying father duties...yes, that's it...oh, and yes, I want to hug the little fluffy mofos.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7840322&postcount=18893
My belief pulled through. :D :D :D :D :D: :D :D
Iam Canadian said:
Is it so inconceivable that Mother could get two characters to its name? It may not be big outside of Japan except for a small cadre of devoted fans (of which I am a member), but it is very successful in Japan. And look at Fire Emblem. It got two characters in Melee (granted, one was a clone, but still) and it hadn't even seen a release outside of Japan prior to SSBM's release.

Ness AND Lucas in SSBB. Believe.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7840772&postcount=18899
I'm still prepared to defend the claim that I'm a bigger Mother fan than Ami.
Iam Canadian said:
I'm a bigger Mother fan than Amir0x is and I am prepared to defend that claim.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7849108&postcount=18954
This guy really should've been in Brawl. Really, though, I'm just quoting this one for the awesome Kirby hat. It really does look real.
GamerSoul said:
Yep he's from Custom Robo
customrobo4.jpg

I also ran into this.
Ray01MK.jpg


and Lip
PaneldePon02.jpg
[Jiggy note: Lip should really have been in. ;_; Her theme is one of the ten best in the game, no easy feat with 287 songs.]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7852545&postcount=18987
K.K. Slider snowman is one of the best things ever.
MrCheez said:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7854173&postcount=19070
EXCUSE ME WAT R U DOIN
JonathanEx said:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7854208&postcount=19075
The Lolcats Dojo, I guess. >_>
JonathanEx said:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7860343&postcount=19129
Well, part of this prediction came true.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7863885&postcount=19148
Ah, the days when we worried whether or not Smash would beat out Galaxy for GOTY.
Dr.Hadji said:
Oh it won't get GOTY. Wii GOTY will probably go to Galaxy and over all it doesn't have a chance. As good as a game as it ends up being, the truth of the matter is hardly anyone in the major press will care to take the game seriously. They'll marvel at the options, comment about how frantic it is, and finally end with their stock comment "it always feels good stickin it to Pikachu". Then they'll go on back to playing Halo3, Call of Duty 4, and Team Fortess. All familiar guilty pleasures that they knew the mechanics of inside and out.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7864249&postcount=19150
Jiggy is correct as always. In this case, it's about the bias of game critics and how GOTY is chosen. Dead on, if you ask me. Yes, the entire post.
Jiggy37 said:
He's pretty much correct, right down to the Pikachu comment. :( To be GOTY in the world of the critics, a game probably has to meet these four criteria: 1) it's in first-person, 2) it's on either 360 or PS3, 3) it has a strong single-player component, and 4) it's in 3D. Just the way the bias goes, it would seem.

Either that or I'm just seeing a bias that isn't there because I'm almost the antithesis of them. I prefer 2D gameplay, and even in the realm of 3D I very much prefer third-person. >_>

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7868767&postcount=19268
I'm aware that many of these posts are just exhibitions of funny Photoshops, but... >_>
Greenpanda said:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7869095&postcount=19415
Sorry, it had Calvin and Hobbes, I had to quote it. Also, complaining about Nintendo online. [Jiggy note: And right after the online update, too.]
Greenpanda said:
CrushDance said:
Which is really pointless...how many of us are going to random smashes to play against the world and not just our friends? :/

WHat's the point of "Track stats against friends but not against random players" when most will be playing random matches(Online play).

It's not a game breaker or anything but seems really stupid and will cut into your record if all you can do is play against friends.

I join a game:

1) Game ends, screen pops up with players who you fought. Fire off a "invite to friend" to any person you choose, they can say NO for "the protection" and parents could turn off "recieve invites" as well...this could work for all games.

2) Press A to move on, goes back to main(online) screen.

Wins: 2+1!

Losses: 9999

Awesome, I just got another win in a random match, it counted for something!

3) Oh hey that person accepted my invitation! "Fernoca has been added to your friends list!"

4) Hey Fernoca, want to do co-op story mode? And maybe do a team battle 2vs2 online after?

FFS. COME ON NINTENDO! :(((((((((((((((((((
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Jiggy

Member
Quote Archivist: Man God

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Section of Posts: #20,001 to 22,500



20001– In which Anihawk makes two rash statements.
AniHawk said:
20k posts just for a SSBB announcement thread? Wow.

And still no Mother characters.

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The Halo 3 thread will beat this thread next week

20027– In which a prophet rises.
SantaC said:
AniHawk said:
50k posts and 3m views.
True. Unless Sakurai reveal sonic or any other cool character soon, Halo3 wil beat it soon.

We have a least twice as many posts
umm halo3 thread started like 10 days ago while smash bros thread is a couple of months old.

20117- In which MrCheez shows his foresight.
MrCheez said:
I still think R.O.B. will be an unlockable playable character!

Here is his jump in action, too!:

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Anyway, check out some of the backgrounds in these screenshots. Pretty sweet and varied stuff.

20150- In which lsslave low balls the number of thread pages.
lsslave said:
By the time the game comes out is it possible for this threat to reach 1000 pages?

Has that ever happened before here?

I mean seriously, Smash is amazing, spectacular, etcetera, but I think 1000 pages is a pretty good goal >.>

20186- In which Makman possibly gets his wish...a year late.
MakMan said:
Why NOE?! Why?!

Just bring us Europe our SSB:B in time for Christmas too...
I want it so badly..

20237- In which Haunted One joins the foresight club. (Talking about Pokemon Trainer) 20257 which he ends up leaving a mere 20 posts later.
Haunted One said:
Maybe he'll just run along in the background of the stages.
Haunted One said:
You should all drop that stage editor idea before some of you actually start to believe it could happen.

20280- In which one new character rebukes the appearance of another new character, later to be proven wrong.
Meta-Knight said:
Haunted One said:
Where's the Captain Olimar love?
Captain Olimar can't fight. He relies on Pikmin in his games to fight. How would he fight in Smash exactly? By using pikmin? That would be a mess.

I could see him as an assist character or something, but not as a fighter.

20380- In which Jiggy dismisses the Lord of Terror.
Jiggy37 said:
Piplup. Well, that's anti-climactic...

20495- In which it begins.
Threi said:
Ugh it looks like Snake got the Fox McCloud ass treatment.

20645- In which the Lord of Terror uses late update madness to claim Nintaiyo.
Nintaiyo said:
mball05_070920a.jpg
mball05_070920a.jpg
mball05_070920a.jpg

MAKE IT GO AWAY SAKURAI


20746- In which AceBandage discovers the cause of the madness mere seconds before it ends.
AceBandage said:
SuperAngelo64 said:
Piplup madness has set in.

20775- In which DefectiveReject says what we all think and heralds the arrival of the hero.
DefectiveReject said:
Music
Special Moves
Character


FOLKS WE HAVE A TRIPLE UPDATE!!!


RAPETIME BITCH!!
snake_070921c-l.jpg

20972 In which Wii sets the score right on the new song. [Jiggy note: The MGS4 Love Theme.]
Wii said:
Hah, today's music sounds like something out of Pirates of the Caribbean

21022- In which SuperAngelo64 explains feelings using the Lord of Terror.
SuperAngelo64 said:
Haunted One said:
what's a D:?
It's a little surprised face. But as opposed to pleasantly surprised : D

It is unpleasantly surprised D :



Allow me to illustrate:



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21092- In which Crushed depicts the true nature of the Brawl.
Crushed said:
You guys know what time it is?

'Cuz I think you guys know what time it is. You might pretend like you don't, but you know you do.

And you know that you want it.


It's time for an Ass Battle.

snake_070921j2-l.jpg
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peach_070817c-l.jpg
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link_070618a-l.jpg
item05_070711b-l.jpg
wario_070629d-l.jpg

diddykong_070822d-l.jpg
yoshi_070823a-l.jpg
item04_070627d-l.jpg

super-smash-bros-brawl-20061127022914090.jpg



"Feels like I'm wearing nothin' at all!

Nothin' at all!

NOTHIN' AT ALL!"

21295- In which Crushed foretells his future banning.
Crushed said:
Linkup said:
More like the typical MGS love arch. Just need a third pic of him sitting by her dieing body.
No, if it's a Metal Gear love story, then by canon it'll be more like this:


"Come on, Samus. I think it's time to quit the battlefield."

"Can we really do that, Snake?"

"I think we can... together."


ONE MONTH LATER


"Snake, this is Campbell. I know you've retired like twenty times now but we need you again."

"Okay, whatever."

"Hey, what happened to Samus?"

"Who?"

21302- In which Crushed brings Godwin into the thread.
Crushed said:
You know, going back through those screenshots, I remembered something that distinctly bothered me.


4m33zig.jpg


Please. Look at that for a second.

21354- In which Scribble sees the future for what it is...basically.
Scribble said:
OK, lemme rep the Sonic side of things.

What I want:

Newcomer Sonic!

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Music:
Remix of "invincibility theme"/Super Sonic theme
Green Hill Zone
Chemical Plant Zone
Ice Cap Zone



What will probably happen

Newcomer Sonic Rivals!

4uo4yt1.jpg


Music:
Live and Learn (I still like this song, though =X)
His World
It Doesn't Matter
City Escape

21657- In which Firestorm points out the secret to Smash Bros.
Firestorm said:
ratcliffja said:
Does anybody have a clue how Sonic would even work as a character? I just don't see how you could come up with a full move set for him. He has his spin dash and that's about it. Unlike Mario, he is really lacking in the power-up department. He has his shields, super speed, and invincibility. That's pretty much it. Megaman, on the other hand, has tons of options to work with including a Rush Spring attack for his up B along with loads of different projectiles.
Does anybody have a clue how Captain Falcon would even work as a character? I just don't see how you could come up with a full move set for him. He has his [insert something] and that's about it. Unlike Mario, he is really lacking in the power-up department. He has his absolutely nothing. That's pretty much it. Megaman, on the other hand, has tons of options to work with including a Rush Spring attack for his up B along with loads of different projectiles.

Does anybody have a clue how Mr. Game & Watch would even work as a character? I just don't see how you could come up with a full move set for him. He has his [insert something] and that's about it. Unlike Mario, he is really lacking in the power-up department. He has his absolutely nothing. That's pretty much it. Megaman, on the other hand, has tons of options to work with including a Rush Spring attack for his up B along with loads of different projectiles.

Does anybody have a clue how Ice Climbers would even work as a character? I just don't see how you could come up with a full move set for him. They have their [insert something] and that's about it. Unlike Mario, he is really lacking in the power-up department. They have absolutely nothing. That's pretty much it. Megaman, on the other hand, has tons of options to work with including a Rush Spring attack for his up B along with loads of different projectiles.

Does anybody have a clue how Peach would even work as a character? I just don't see how you could come up with a full move set for him. She has her frying pan and turnips and that's about it. Unlike Mario, she is really lacking in the power-up department. He has his absolutely nothing. That's pretty much it. Megaman, on the other hand, has tons of options to work with including a Rush Spring attack for his up B along with loads of different projectiles.

etc.

21715- In which ohamsie depicts the hero defeating the Lord of Terror.
ohamsie said:
I predict how to play: Dual Wielding.

snakeweapons.jpg

22000- In which Firestorm lives up to his name.
Firestorm said:
Tathanen said:
I have to say, I'm pretty turned off by the way that every damn screen for this game has GameCube buttons in it! Are they even TRYING to design it around the controllers that come with the hardware? Shit, the trophy viewing controls are identical to the SSBM ones. I might actually end up using the GameCube controller for the game, if only because it looks like it's clearly what they're designing functionality around. TIME TO RANT ABOUT IT.

Seriously, I think it's a pretty shitty move. It's not like the Remote/Chuck combo doesn't have enough buttons to play a SSB game just fine. Instead of making SURE it'll play just fine, though, they've gone and relegated Remote/Chuck control to a secondary option, and focused on keeping the same damn controls from a previous piece of hardware. I don't give a SHIT if people are more USED to the GameCube controller, or if it's better at playing the gameplay from SSBM. This is a NEW game on NEW hardware and I want to play it with the NEW controller. Christ.

Who's Wii is actually in an acceptable area to handle wired GameCube controllers, anyway? When you have a system with default-wireless controllers, you stop worrying about how close it is to your couch. GameCube controllers wouldn't even REACH my couch, and having them all wired to the TOP of the system? Sure, I've got a wavebird, but I don't have FOUR of them. And shit, Sakurai even recommended playing with the wired GameCube controllers (citing "rumble" as the deciding function).

Ugh. So many people probably don't even have GameCube controllers, or if they do they're so fucking worn out that the notion of playing a new SSB game for the next four years with them is a ludicrous prospect. Am I supposed to BUY NEW ONES? Yes I know no one is FORCING me to use a GameCube controller, but again, it's just really looking like the game's been designed around them. I don't want to have it GIMPED somehow because I want to play with a CURRENT GENERATION CONTROLLER.

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*passes out*
You must really hate playing PlayStation branded games =(

22209- In which Zeed posts something not about Lyn and is proven right!
Zeed said:
CreatureX3 said:
Plus who doubts Ganondorf's final smash will be him turning into:

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:D
I'm expecting something more along the lines of his
Twilight Princess Ganon form
. The question is how that would control. Would it have its own moveset, or would it just run around the stage owning things?
 

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Amir0x said:
*ahem*

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
FUCKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Amir0x said:
The best part is there will be some totally fucking awesome Mother 2/Mother 3 remixes and a fucking badass Mother 3 stage now.

GOD GOD GOD YES RIGHT INTO MY EYELIDS AND ON YOUR CLIT ORGASMING HERE
grandjedi6 said:
This GIF needs to be posted again in honor of this announcement (plus it works with Amirox's comment above)

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Firestorm said:
If you haven't seen those, the guy made another one:

http://creativeworlds.net/

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My prediction has been made.
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sp0rsk said:
Smash brothers without the FALKAWN PAAAAAAANCH is like clouds without the rain.
Crushed said:
speedpop said:
Congrats to 500 pages guys!

2jffhx


Here's hoping for several hundred more down the line~
 

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DavidDayton said:
I'm trying to figure out why Samus would go with a loser like Snake when Luigi is still free.
MrCheez said:
Can't have two characters with tight asses, goodbye Snake.
SuperAngelo64 said:
If Sonic isn't in Brawl I'm going to chop down a tree out've anger


...with my face.
Coming off the eve of Snake's infamous codec coversations, as well as one of our very first glimpses into the gameplay of Brawl, we find the Dojo thread still energetic and fully of youthful optimism. It is a time before Wolf, before l-canceling drama, and we all thought we'd be playing this game at the start of December, and unlocking Megaman was still at the top of everyone's to-do list. Around page 510, the Landmaster tank appears. Little did we know that we were finding out about 3 final smashes instead of just one.

The biggest megaton that was properly covered in my section was the announcement of co-op in Subspace Emissary. It is then that we truly begin to wonder just how much Sakurai really put into this game, and are left debating the mysterious means of powering ourselves up. While several people guess that it will be an RPG element of some sort, no one makes the connection to stickers. Here are a couple of the more notable posts and exchanges the thread has seen:

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Firestorm said:
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Would you really?
The first and perhaps the last time, Jiggs, you express your desire to play as LA Link.

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Keru_Shiri said:
The things one of those guys can do with Yoshi. O_O

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Maybe a bit of a bias on my part, but this one got a chuckle out of me.

Crushed said:
Honestly, the head looks neat as an avatar, but seeing the actual art and character? It's FREAKY.

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Freakiest of all:
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I don't know what's up with him, but his tiny head looks weird, and his bulky pants look like his 20-foot long spider legs are displaced.Maybe it's just seeing it as "Anihawk's avatar" for so long did this, but Ramirez for real looks unnatural and goofy.

It's like Sephiroth and a bizarre lanky hobgoblin had an emo son.
Crushed blows everyone's mind by revealing the true origins of Anihawk's avatar, and the grotesque proportions of Ramirez that hides below. Brix were shat!

Espada: said:
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt like this. :lol

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Espada brings to GAF's attention the wonderful pixel art from DeviantArt's Abysswolf. Then Espada proceeds to post every smash related fan art he can find, until some rather saucy NSFW shots of Peach evokes the wrath of Sp0rsk's banhammer.

From post #26439 to #26620, Crushed and Zeed begin a fierce fight of forum fisticuffs over the assist trophy Lyn. Set against the backdrop of what is perhaps the Dojo thread's first epic item debate, Zeed and Crushed have a battle of wits until Zeed goes into meltdown mode, and Crushed admits that he pleasures himself to the thought of Sonic's cheeseburgers. At post #26620, Crushed declares that he is moving this argument to PMs, and we never find out just what the thrilling conclusion is.

A few other notable contributions:

Crushed said:
Darkpen said:
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....I don't even know why I'm posting webcomics, or how they fit into the webcomic parody canon of things...
kirbutashi said:
 

Jiggy

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[Jiggy note: There were far, far, far too many quotes to pull out for the sake of this archive thread; even in the original Dojo thread, I left them untouched. What we have here instead can be considered a stream-of-consciousness look into the mindset of someone reading through to collect these quotes. One thing to mention: There are many links strewn throughout this narrative. I left them intact purely because someone, somewhere, may find them useful for as long as the original thread still exists.]


My section begins on page 551, around an hour after Sega revealed Sonic is a brawler in their conference. I was already well gone into the world of sleep. Gaf was excited. Predictions were flying, was this the day he’d appear on the Dojo? What other 3rd party figures would be joining him? Megaman was not a bannable offense at the time. But there was a problem. It was already known that Japan was getting a delay for the game. MrCheez's reply perfectly emphasized the last stand of hope against cold reason, and luckilyDanthrax is still alive-- or a zombie.

Page 552 basically spans 15 minutes of time. By the end of the page there are 3 minutes left until the Dojo updates and SuperAngelo can’t take it. Jokes are still being cracked, such as Sonic Team being the hidden developer of Brawl. No one wants to think of that, so let’s push on, shall we? By post 27622, Sonic has appeared, and there was much rejoicing, as many caps lock keys got hot glued down. Both the Dojo and Gaf were hit hard by Sonic’s reveal; Gaf was running slow and the Dojo was dead, save the German site. But the excitement is ebbing, enough for Duffy and Mutsu to notice something—bad news. By using Sonic as a cover, the Dojo had slipped in the delay, and with that, the release date of December 3rd, and our dreams of Brawling during the holidays were gone. On page 556, Mutsu displays prophet-like skills at guessing the date that Brawl would be pushed back to. On page 557, the topic of conversation switches back and forth between ‘Sonic is awesome’ and ‘Delays? nooooo!’ with Crushed eloquently explaining how we all feel inside (Well, I’m still asleep, but I’m dreaming it. I also dream of a Rambo reveal on the Dojo, so it’s best to ignore that.) Fernoca posts a picture of Sonic and Mario standing together. The delay seems to be affecting Jiggy.

To emphasize the speed at which the thread is going on page 558, there were six posts during the minute of 2:39 AM, which is insane. I’m beginning to wonder if my stupid, sleeping ass will wake up before my section ends to say something moronic. Zeed pops into the thread on page 559 to inform us that the thread title (Probably ‘Sonic Sonic Sonic’) was placed by EviLore, due to mass pestering in the IRC. LiquidMamba shows up with information on the Brawl delay in Japan. With a 1/24/08 release date in Japan, things looked bleak for the American release. The conversation on page 559 has moved past Sonic and into our usual speculation. Members are discussing the delay and dissecting the videos for every little detail that can be brought out. A Metroid level has been hinted at, due to it having lava, and odd character movements have been attributed as taunts. More people pour in crying ‘hurrah Sonic.’ Fronn wonders where Luigi is, which sets the thread to discussing that Luigi is indeed in the game, even though Sakuri is being a jerk and not showing him.

AniHawk appears with nine images of a man going insane. I think it means that he’s just had his mind blown. More speculation, a guess that ZSS’s final smash will involve her ship descending to blow everyone to hell and back, before having Samus reemerge in her power suit. It is also only 3 AM by page 560, which is only an hour and a half from when my section began. The discussion is a bit hard to follow as it jumps from speculation to joygasm to gloom and back occasionally in the span of a sentence. Scottnak displays the true sense of joy quite well. One of the main modes of conversation still appears to be Megaman. When is he getting in, and how happy everyone will be when he’s announced. It’s a little depressing to look back on that actually, but maybe next time? Enk is the one dissenting voice, but that’s only because it is not classic Sonic.

Crushed still wants Simon Belmont to be in the game-- That is one fact that will exist as far back in the past as one can look and as far into the future as we can see. And Sp0rsk came. MrCheez wants desperately to start a conversation about Brawl’s delay, but no one is really listening. MiniDitka believes that Reggie would not lie to us, so it will be coming out on Dec 3rd. Sharp believes that because some of us thought that Sonic’s animation sequence was cool, he can never trust our opinions again. AlternativeUlster is in denial- really, really in denial. PkunkFury hopes the TBD means Nintendo is moving the release date forward, but he knows that’s not true. Rentahamster wants his flashlight.

BGBW keeps posting horrible images of Simon Belmont and made an image of Mario punching Sonic. Scribble proves that Sakurai does read GAF by asking if you had to drop one Pokémon, between Jiggly and Mewtwo, which would it be. On page 562 ShoNuff realizes that he is no longer 12. TheGreatDave hates Sonic, for some reason I could never understand (but I am seeing a therapist for it), but he says that Sakurai has sound him on it. I’ll guess that was a typo for sold.

Jiggy finally gets around to posting his stats. And Mio believes that the delay is all our fault for wanting more characters. I hope that’s not the case, but those 30,000 letters I sent Sakurai requesting Tricky probably did slow down the process. I mean, that is a lot of shredding. Slavik thinks that Sonic’s old art looks terrible. In a sense, I have to agree, but more because a fat guy rarely runs as fast as Sonic did, but then Robotnik can run lightning quick while Sonic seems to have slowed down as he lost weight, if Sonic 2006 is any indication. I really love Live and Learn. It’s one of the songs I run to after my workouts, but damn, I did not realize it was so popular. Do you see this Sega? People still love you! Would you do something right for once!? As the conversation has moved to Sonic music, I am forced to relive the pain that is Seven Rings in Hand, which Dark Ninja loves. Enk decides to remind Gaf that Sonic Boom was epic. As I listen, I can feel the pain ebbing away. AlternativeUlster thinks that Sonic’s stage will be Casino Night Zone. Videos of the openings to SATAM and AoSTH were posted by linkzg. SATAM will always have a special place in my heart, While AoStH will always drive me to drink.

The realization of Co-op has hit the thread, though no one knows what to expect Linkzg wins for his ability to accept that Sakurai will give us what we want. AlternativeUlster is confused that anyone could not want Brawl, despite some people coming into the thread and being like, “Eh, I might get this.” RubxQub woke up and shit his pants then fapped. It was a good morning for him, I guess.

It is now 6 am, and people are beginning to wake up. There is a new flood of people oh-shitting at Sonic’s inclusion. At 7 AM, I make my appearance. My first correct prediction and I am at a loss for words. I believe I was laughing like an idiot at the time. Scribble wonders how many pages a Geno announcement would spawn. Probably a lot because there’d be a hell of a lot of bitching and rawring as there are people that just don’t like him.

On page 566, there still seems to be that last lingering vestige of Denial as evident in elbkhm’s post on the differences between the Japanese update and the American one. There is also more fapping over Sonic and Linkhero believes that the reason for the delay is Brawl’s sheer awesomeness. And by 8:05 in the morning, I have realized that there will be a delay. JayDubya pops into the Smash thread to express his excitement. Brandon F would rather have Megaman though. Brawl has made WildArms believe in God. Due to missing the Sonic update, the Haunted One turned into Kermit and began flailing wildly, both, I imagine, in excitement and despair. Also on page 567, I, in all of my stupidity, learn that it is indeed accepted to call Eggman by his true name, Dr. Robotnik. I was elated.

Another picture post reveals that Brawl was playable at the conference. Page 568 starts the curiousness of Pit being mistaken for a female and/or Daisy. It does appear to be a lovely yellow dress he’s wearing that blends just perfectly with his brown hair. The speculation has now begun about the number of characters could be included in Brawl, when paired with the character select screen. The estimation based on the demo showed a grand total 15 characters with 27 total, so it was a little off. Plagiarize declares Brawl’s new name be “Sonic and his much more awesome new friends. A picture post reminds us of the cruelty of EGMs April fool’s day joke about Sonic being in Brawl.

Alberto gets quoted for sheer awesomeness.

Dude takes his ban bets seriously and says he’ll kill himself should Megaman not be in. And then there was a creepy claymation video of the original brawl trailer on page 570. Iam Canadian has again, even after all this time, caused me deep mental anguish by suggesting that Cream the Rabbit would be in Brawl. Iam Canadian says that his top five will be: Ness, Kirby, Meta-knight, Lucas and Sonic. Does this still stand? [Jiggy note: replace Kirby and Sonic with R.O.B. and Wolf, neither of which were known at the time, and that’s about all I ever face when playing against him.]

Segata Sashiro epically hurls an exploding corpse into the Dojo with the reminder that because we (and by this I mean I) keep buying shitty Sonic games, they will keep being made. CreatureX3 says the delay was to add blast processing to the game. I hope so. It’s the only logical reason, after all. Sonic can’t go anywhere without his luggage. Chumly rationalizes the delay by saying that it’s not so bad that it was released in January. After all, he reminds, it could have been a six month delay. I tell him that’s like getting hit in the gut with a metal pipe and being glad it’s not a metal bat. The conversation turns to how awesome it is that Sonic and Mario are teaming up and the fact that no one would have ever expected it. Afterwards, it’s a quick trip to Sales-Age and the query of what the delay means to the sales. I will now quote myself and admit that I was dead wrong. The sales did better than could be expected. I was parried with the notion that Nintendo would still have the next holiday season. And the conversation turns toward the fact that Lucas’ inclusion likely means that Ness is a no go. And the conversation proceeds from there, the moves known for Ness and the moves shown for Lucas are dissected, trying to proved that Ness would not be a Lucas clone and vise-versa. Venomgxt pops in to question the right to be annoyed that the game has been delayed. Littleberu counters with the fact that Nintendo likely will have very few games worth getting at Christmas, so this annoys him.

Jea Song eloquently explains what every Sega fan feels at that moment. And then the thread turns back to conversations about the 3rd 3rd party character—Megaman, Simon Belmont, Chrono, or Geno. MisterHero pops in to say that the fans will eventually be grateful for the delay when the game is out. Usea pops in with his usual cynical demeanor and points out that the delay may have been nothing more than a marketing ploy. I remember hearing somewhere that the guys in marketing think a delay add hype. I wonder if that’s true.

Haunted One said:
I say the Sonic update pretty much confirms Megaman as well.

Yes, you can quote me on that.
I take the Haunted One seriously, only because I am sad about the lack of Megaman. Frozen Fire confesses that he bought Halo 3 and enjoyed it. It’s ok, buddy. The game is good. I have it too. Now, back to Brawl before I’m burned at the stake for heresy. The talk in the thread turns toward the idea of a Smash demo. Ever so hopeful are we. Perhaps, a demo kiosk will be up around the first of March. I would spend all Saturday in GameStop for that. Guys, I’m going to say that it is absolutely crazy that I’m over 12 hundred posts into my section and we haven’t even gone 14 hours. Third party characters from old Final Fantasy games are being tossed around.

More people are beginning to get anxious about the American conference that was apparently going to occur that night. RobbieNick tells the thread that he’s going to E4All, which means he’ll get to play Brawl. He is told to make sure to have good information upon return. The rivalry between the Halo thread and the Dojo thread is beginning to leak its way in. Who will be the first to reach 30,000. By page 577, we have the updated list of series icons. On page 578, we discussed the awesomeness of the L-block making an appearance. The conversation on who voices Sonic came up. Was it the terrible VA from the Sonic X series, or the decent one from Adventures? We believe it was the terrible one. And then MisterHero and Beezy tell the thread the correct opinion that Jaleel White was the best Sonic voice.

The conversation goes back to the number of characters that are on the demo screen, proving that we are a cyclical bunch. It is pointed out that Melee’s demo character screen changed for the final release. And BGBW posts that horrible picture of ‘Captain N’ Simon Belmont again.

The joy of newcomers has shown up. Firestorm wanted Metaknight and, CreatureX3 wanted Pit before E3 06. Wow, has it really been that long? Jiggy is most excited about Meta-knight. And Iam Canadian says he’d have preferred DeDeDe, but his favorite newcomer is Lucas. Scribble has taken up the mantle of the Marth is still in Brawl defense force, doing his best to remind people that the argument that Marth is out because he looks like Ike is moronic. He uses the Ice Climbers as an example of people’s doubt. Haunted One and Dark Ninja both claim that they wanted the Ice Climbers gone, or as Haunted One said, “It wasn’t doubt, it was hope in the case of the Ice Climbers. Little Fuckers” (Dojo Thread rated T for Teen.) Dark Ninja reminds Scribble that it has been said that WW Link and Tingle can’t be in the game because of the Cell Shading. Shinobix informs us that, really, Sonic’s facial expression in the reveal video kind of sucks. There are numerous reasons as to why, such as the mouth being in the center rather than the side, but as MisterHero points out, it somehow works logically. The conversation again turns to third parties, with Zeed, back in the thread, affirms his faith in Megaman. WastingPenguins states quite nicely why most people don’t want both Link and WW Link to be in the same game. It’s important to remember that at this time we were working under the delusions of no clones. DrForester demands that if WW Link is in Tetra/Zelda had better be in as well. WastingPenguins, it must be said, wanted Paper Mario more than WW Link, which would have been really cool. Papercut gives probably the best notion of how Paper Mario would play out and what his stage would be like. This was quoted for the sheer awesomeness of the idea. The collective hive mind of the Dojo thread has decided that if WW Link was in, he’d just be Young Link again.
 

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Section of Posts: #27,501 to 30,000 (continued)

Sonic’s inclusion in Brawl seemed to most of the Dojo thread as a sign that absolutely guaranteed Megaman’s inclusion. We believed in it like we believed that there were no more clones. Megaman was a brawler in our eyes.

AbyssWolf, the DeviantArt artist, had updated his pixel art picture of all the characters. And it was determined by the thread, and by this I mean Zeed and Helzown, that the responsibility of converting it to wallpaper size was a responsibility of Crushed’s.

Canadian shows us a blog post of someone that has completely lost his or her mind over the inclusion of Sonic in Brawl. And I’m sad to say that the idea of a Luigi/Knuckles game, made by Nintendo, amuses and intrigues me greatly, even if only for another meltdown. TheGreatDave reminds me that he hates Sonic and that makes me sad. The thread has followed Canadian’s lead and is discussing sights of irrationality. Duffey said he’d read about a person that was actually shaking in anger at Sonic’s inclusion. I imagine this might have been some’s reaction to Krystal’s inclusion, but alas, she was not included. This however, was a boon to others. Canadian and Jiggy decide that the series should remain separate, and I’d like to remind everyone that just because Smash exists, doesn’t mean Mario is in Fire Emblem, even if that would be awesome. [Jiggy note: I still want my Fire Emblem Hyper Genki Edition. You guys got your dark Advance Wars; now where’s my cheery Fire Emblem? D:] TheGreatDave once again makes me sad, by saying that SEGA must have begged Nintendo to make Sonic relevant again. The truth hurts. And it will hurt all the more if Sonic Unleashed is a complete bomb. I return to the thread, see what is happening and basically make a post that reiterates the above.

The night’s predictions have begun with people either predicting greatness or bunk. MrCheez’s taste in Sonic music is great. Most of the ideas being tossed around have to do with Sonic: his stage, his moves, his Final Smash, or his music. Jiggy seems to have lost his mind on this one, but it would have been epic. Firestorm muses on whether to predict is synonymous with to hope. In the Dojo thread, it is. Jiggy says that he hopes not as he’d have to predict Jigglypuff every night, while Canadian says he is predicting Ness every night.

The Topic of Sonic’s shitty friends has popped up. Jiggy assures the crowd that Tails is a good friend and Darkpen says that so were Knuckles and Tails until Big showed up. ShockingAlberto adds a zing to the conversation. A Master Ninja askes the question “if EGM never had the ‘Sonic in SSBM’ April Fool's joke, would Sonic still be in Brawl?” The consensus seems to be that the rivalry was so great that it was inevitable.

On the subject of the release date, Sp0rsk says that we can count on a delay as there was never a release date for Japan. Sp0rsk proves that, really, there could be no other mod for the Dojo Thread. Snitch makes his prediction, which is a prequel to the infamous Snitch List. He’s “predicting” a multi-update about Torchic, Kyogre, Sonic level, Sonic music, Metroid level, and Sonic moves. Innotech tells us his strange sleeping habits or lack thereof, pertaining to dull or interesting updates respectively. The thread has begun to discuss Sonic Music more earnestly. With everyone either mocking Seven Rings in Hand or listing the rarer songs that they want in the game. Sonic Boon and music from Sonic R seems to be quite possible. Now the gang is discussing older Sonic Music with a friendly ‘no you!’ vibe. Everyone is posting a song to counter a song. And good music is heard by all. TheRipDizz posted my favorite of the Sonic R music. I am such a sap. Brannon was late to the Sonic party due to cake. I will always approve of this kind of logic. The music conversation is broken up by bits of avatar fad and Zeed Bitching (I refer to it as such not because Zeed is bitching per se, but that he is the center of this little tiff.)

One of the central themes to many of Zeeds posts is post number- Be that his relation to Jiggy’s post count or the thread as a whole’s relation to the Halo 3 thread. Beyond high heels, we know that Jiggy is terrified of Firestorm’s flailing Charmander. [Jiggy note: In fairness, I’m not sure if his Charmander has actually hurt millions upon millions of girls. It looks like it has the potential to commit such acts, though.]

And we have made it to the second update of my section- Sonic’s Moves. I believe this post sums up Zeed nicely. Well done, Zeed. Two in a row is impressive. The fact that the spring stays on the ground for other characters seems to be a major point of interest for everyone. It is really cool. All of the pictures in this update are of Sonic fighting Mario--a nice tip of the hat to the old feud between the two of them. The group has begun to notice that most characters actually leave items behind as one of their special moves. Pringo thinks Sakurai is trying to piss off the no items crowd.

And the update makes its way into the Dojo Thread for all to see and to be easily categorized by Jiggy. MrCheez says he’s not happy about the clouds in Skyworld. He doesn’t like how they look. I wonder if he still feels the same. I don’t know why, but this scares me.

It is considered that due to Jigglypuff’s Rollout and Yoshi’s Egg Roll, Sonic’s spin dash and other spin moves may not be that useful especially in a more competitive setting. MrCheez hopes that Mario has been buffed up because he doesn’t want Sonic to constantly best the portly plumber. [Jiggy note: As far as I can tell after 200 hours of Brawl being on, Mario got even worse than before. On the bright side for him, Sonic’s horribly weak too. Speaking of horribly weak characters with no finishing moves, let’s segue back into crowphoenix’s prose.] The conversation then turns to Mewtwo. Dreavus hopes that Mewtwo will be brought back, with Jiggy chiming in that he needs to be brought back for the sole chance of improving him, which would be accomplished by giving him more finishing moves. The group turns next to the topics of the FLUDD and how a Green Hill stage would play out. Many of the ideas being tossed around are quite good, especially Android18a’s. Canadian wants Robotnik involved, (though he called him Eggman) occasionally sweeping through with his checker board ball and chain.

A few posters have complained about the thread title to the new update. Sp0rsk blames Amir0x, and promises us that all thread titles from there on out will suck. Darkpen has begun his Smash avatar making for many of the posters on GAF, even making one for the Haunted One, which if I remember correctly was Wario’s face cropped over his Red Dead Revolver avatar. Wario cosplaying Red Harlow is an awesome thing. Insaniac’s Fox and Zelda icon recalls images of the Sonic/Princess scene in Sonic 2006. And everyone on GAF has probably come to the realization that somewhere on the internet are people who are completely into Fox/Peach or Fox/Zelda or even Marth/Meta Knight. I just wanted to scare the people that are actually reading this. Though the images are no longer up, Darkpen made Insaniac’s avatar and mine as well; this started the Great Darkpen Avatar Surge.

If you remember, a ways back, some guys posted that Crushed needed to get in the thread and make that awesome Brawl pixel art into wallpapers. Well, he’s in .

And the [URL=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8184498&postcount=29662]delay
is now officially set at February 10th. OliveJuice hopes that the delay is to add in Megaman. The first pictures of the American demo are beginning to show up. here and here. Also at this time, the first information about how Smash Balls play out in matches begins to come out.

During this period of time, people have begun listing their old Melee mains. It had been too haphazard to try to organize it well due to the fact that I’m trying to stay chronologically true, but a few pages back from here is where it began. They are easily noticeable because they are lists. With the topic of mains came the topic of who can hang with the tourney players. Ant was a bit dismayed that we weren’t as good as he thought, but seemed to brighten up at the fact that he could probably whip the whole lot of us. [Jiggy note: And then he would later publicly state on GAF that he had lost interest in gaming in general, very shortly after buying Brawl. D:]

Milabrega devises a sound strategy for Reggie to appease those hurting from the delay. Jiggy reveals that he has a GAF Posters of the Year document where he keeps tabs on us all. I am reminded of the fact that later we uncovered Jiggy’s plot to replace us all with robots. I find myself wondering what he has catalogued on that thing. [Jiggy note: I find myself wondering why GAF never had a Posters of the Year thread for 2007, when I was prepared, even though they did for 2006. :mad:] Grecco’s Melee main list has a bit more history to it that most and a tip for Fox players called Shined Blind, which looks like a fantastic technique. And now after Brawl has come out, I remember why Fox was so hard to control in Melee.

The topic of Dark Link and alternate color schemes pop up, but Ant can’t seem to accept that only Link would have an alt of that caliber and is hoping that it means more. Jiggy responds that he’d like to see more evil costumes for most characters. As per the norm, people follow the trend and begin posting the types of costumes that would make good evil versions of the characters. That conversation is derailed as Insaniac asks if Puppet Zelda is Midna, which spawns the topic of Midna in Brawl, who is one of three characters that I really wanted in but didn’t get. Leondexter proves that GAF can come up with some genuinely awesome ideas.

The Haunted One and Jiggy must be commended for how close their ‘number of character’ predictions were- 33-35 and 35 respectively. And the conversation turns to predictions. Jiggy predicts a quintuple update in the off chance of becoming legendary for it, but says if it is only one, it will be the stage builder. A small conversation begins about what’s better: bigger stages or smaller stages. To be honest, in my style of stage design, I tend to make them large with walls to keep people in. I like my fights long and brutal. Canadian discusses how happy he would be for a Giygas assist trophy.

The Dojo thread has reached one of its many milestones in surpassing the Halo 3 thread in terms of total posts. And as we move on from that the conversation turns to what the delay could be for. Some people have the hope that Sakurai is adding more characters and stages, but most believe there isn’t enough time for that and the only thing it could be for is testing and balancing.

Sp0rsk breaks our hearts by telling us that Little Mac has been confirmed as an assist trophy. It would not be the last time that our hearts would be broken. The discussion has moved back to the topic of third party characters, and Error has proposed that Slime from Square-Enix might be a representative; This prompts Canadian to question exactly how that would work. Sp0rsk says that it will be Cloud if Square-Enix has one. AniHawk warns of the fact that too many fanboys might spoil the soup. Canadian muses that he would not be happy if Cloud got in, but he’d be ok, because he can beat the snot out of him with Lucas.

Linkzg defends the notion that Little Mac would have been a great Brawl character be designing for him a move set. This act of defiance sparked the Little Mac defense force into action, which began to discuss how awesome Little Mac is, how there have been many boxers in fighting games, and how it doesn’t really matter if Sakurai has to make up moves.

Back on the topic of who could support Square, the argument covers as many bases as possible. Cloud is mentioned. Sora is touted about. Cecil is desired. Terra is argued for. Me, I want Locke, but I knew that wouldn’t happen. The main point of the argument is centered on when Final Fantasy became iconic. Most argue that Square only mattered after FFVII. Others argue that this position is foolish because Square was extremely important during the SNES era.

And my section ends as the Dojo thread claims the 30000th post. The honor goes to Darkpen. It’s been a crazy ride through the fun of the Dojo. It kept many of us entertained beyond what was expected in the ever-increasing wait for Brawl and has created a strong community for us after the game was released. I must now bow out of this guided tour, but I hope that the reader enjoys the second half of their trip down memory lane. And who knows what the future holds. I mentioned there are three characters I still wanted in, and perhaps when, or if, 4 comes out they will be added.

See you at the next Dojo!
 

Jiggy

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Quote Archivist: MrCheez

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Section of Posts: #30,001 to 32,500



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Zeed said:
POST NUMBER 30,001

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GAF MILESTONE

I NOW DECLARE THIS POST A HISTORICAL LANDMARK


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Cheers guys, here's to how far we've come and how far we've yet to go!

EDIT:

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:D

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ratcliffja said:
This thread is why Smash was delayed. Sakurai wanted to see 50k.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8192344&postcount=30053
sp0rsk said:
I hope when all is said and done, someone can do a thurough stats page for
this thread.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8192411&postcount=30065
Jiggy37 said:
Stats page? Exactly what kind of stats are we talking about here? Average number of GIFs per 100 posts? Number of Sonic predictions before he was revealed? Percentage of people owned when Ice Climbers returned?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8192442&postcount=30070
Innotech said:
who the fuck is gonna read through 600 pages?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8192653&postcount=30092
Jiggy37 said:
The odd thing is that we seem to be accelerating--and not just since Sonic, either. I mean, looking back at page 200, the first post there is from August 1st.
That means only 200 pages between June, July, and those nine days of May.Yet we've headed up to 602 pages by today, October 11th--which was two months and eleven days. Only two days more, but we more than doubled the page increase. I guess some of the slow earlygoing could be attributed to those being summer months, but still...

[Jiggy note: The real post shows a listing of how many days it took to complete each set of 100 posts throughout the thread history. Trimmed for space consideration because it was over 1300 characters due to the links, but worth a look for statistical types.]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8193685&postcount=30162
DavidDayton said:
Oh, waiting for Pac-Man.... yeah, I'm just waiting for Pac-Man... singing slightly off-key as I'm waiting for Pac-Man...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8193862&postcount=30174
Iam Canadian said:
Sleep is overrated, though.

Smash Bros. > Sleep

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8196529&postcount=30305

Crushed said:
SCREENSHOT TOOL! WITH WI-FI!

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AND MARIO RAEP!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8196556&postcount=30319
Jiggy37 said:
Amir0x to spam everyone with Lucas shots, Zeed to spam everyone with Lyn shots, me to spam everyone with Jigglypuff shots.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8196563&postcount=30322
Iam Canadian said:
I will spamming you all with Ness shots. If Satan has his way and Ness is not present, then I will show Lucas killing each of your favourite characters.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8196570&postcount=30325
Crushed said:
Crushed to spam everyone with unfunny sexually suggestive shots, well after it's not funny anymore.

Oh, and zoomed in Fox ass, FOR REAL!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8196591&postcount=30336
Linkzg said:
I am thinking the thing blurred out is 'edit', so you can put stickers or draw on your pictures using the wiimote.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8196676&postcount=30368
ShockingAlberto said:
So, what's the last thing people wanted? A level editor?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8200241&postcount=30456
Sharp said:
Considering what he said about how the feature might not be implemented, it suggests an element of complexity that most haven't mentioned yet. I actually think it might be some sort of "video" mode that allows you to record your Smash battles. Now, hear me out, it wouldn't actually be a video recording--that would be incredibly wasteful and slow down the battle--but it would record player inputs and random events like item drops, like rerecording in PC games and in emulators. This would be both supremely awesome and take an incredible amount of testing to implement, so I think it fits the bill!

While I don't seriously expect the above to happen, it would be an amazing surprise and would add a whole new dimension to Smash play. Pro players would be pretty happy, I'm guessing.

Edit: And when I say "most haven't mentioned yet" I mean "I didn't read far back enough."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8205895&postcount=30513
Gahiggidy said:
Anyone else a little perturbed that there has been no sign of the Pikmin franchise yet?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8211754&postcount=30604
monkey79 said:
The lack of Pikmin franchise is truly sad. I'm really hoping Captain Olimar is playable. I wouldn't mind if they throw in Louie also and make them like the ice climbers.

A swooping snitcher bug as an assist trophy would be pretty cool. As for a pikmin stage, I'll take a forest stage with a Beady Longlegs that randomly appears and tries to stomp everyone.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8206348&postcount=30534
MrCheez said:
SO is anyone else thinking about trying to cut back on their Dojo obsession now that the game is delayed? I mean...

I've been freaking obsessed with this game for over 2 months now. (Of course I've loved the series for years and of course I've anticipated this game for a long long time, but it wasn't until the Dojo started that I had Brawl on the brain every freaking day!)

I could have easily stayed in full-gear hype mode until December 3rd... but now that we've got another 2 months AFTER that to wait... it just seems like so long now. Our countdown went from 50-something days to over 100 days. I'm starting to think that for my own sanity I need to stop thinking about Brawl so much and concentrate on other things... :p (This will probably make the time seem to go by quicker, anyway!)

Maybe I'll just check the Dojo once a week for awhile... I do love the community in this thread, though, so that too makes it hard... counting down every night and speculating everything to death is a blast...

HMMMMMM what do do what to do

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8214221&postcount=30660
Milabrega said:
Also that snake Lucas is holding, Is that something from his games?? If not it sorta looks like the Snake Rattle 'n Roll Snake.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8214255&postcount=30661
Jiggy37 said:
I remember an Asp enemy in Mother 2, but I doubt that's what it is since it wasn't exactly a major enemy... I'm guessing it's an item.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8218250&postcount=30712
Iam Canadian said:
I would love for that to happen. Nintendo seems biased against the Mother series because the one game that came out here sold poorly.

(Warning: rant incoming. Bail out now!)

Earthbound was a victim of the time it was released in. RPGs had yet to become a popular genre, outside of maybe Squaresoft's efforts. The simplistic graphics, which have a substantial amount of charm in their own right (almost like the Wind Waker's graphics), didn't appeal to an audience that had just been wowed by Donkey Kong Country. The game was misunderstood by a large portion of the audience, considering it to be a childish game consisting of nothing but fart jokes and not considering the substance the game had.

And your marketing didn't help matters, Nintendo. What the hell was that? This game stinks? You advertised your game with pictures of Master Barf and scratch 'n sniff stickers? Okay, I'll admit, the stickers are a cool novelty item (that I have!) now. But they were a terrible way to advertise the game then. You didn't necessarily have to treat the game as a serious epic, because that's not what Earthbound is. But there were better ways to do it. Market it as a satirical portrait of the RPG genre. Play up the concept of kids being the heroes. But Nintendo tried to advertise it as an Earthworm Jim-esque game without any of the randomness and surreality that made Earthworm Jim successful.

And just because it didn't sell to your expectations, it doesn't mean you shouldn't put out the sequel and the GBA ports. Believe it or not, Nintendo, the video game audience has changed. Look at the quirky, previously Japan-only stuff being released on your DS now, Nintendo. Take Phoenix Wright. Would that have done well on the SNES? Probably not. Hell, look at Atlus, publishing the kind of stuff that the Japanese used to get exclusively. Atlus has proven there is a market for Japanese novelties.

And you've got a built-in audience. People actually know who Ness is and they'll soon know the name of Lucas. People are going to want to see the roots of these characters. When the Ice Climbers were put into Melee, you started shoving their game down our throats with a Classic NES Series and a Virtual Console release. When Marth and Roy got in, you gave us the Fire Emblem games, despite that never having left Japanese shores previously. You've not only got a cadre of hardcore Earthbound who would love to see the cliffhanger at the end of Earthbound resolved, but potentially thousands of new fans who would pick up the game if only to play the game that Ness and Lucas came from. RPGs are, in fact, popular now. Mother is the closest thing to a traditional RPG you've made yourselves; after all, it builds right on the house that Dragon Quest built. And look, Nintendo! Dragon Quest, which previously got only sporadic North American releases, is now quite popular! Square-Enix took the chance to give Dragon Quest VIII a proper, professional localization and it sold quite well! Well enough to warrant the release of all kinds of spin-offs we wouldn't normally get! Maybe if you did a proper translation of Mother 3, you could get that kind of success yourselves! Play up the Smash Bros. angle if you have to! You released stuff like Drill Dozer! Why not give Mother 3 a chance?! You've never given the Mother series a fair chance! You actually translated the first game, but didn't release it because the NES was essentially dead. That didn't stop you from publishing Mega Man VI for Capcom, did it? Then you saddled Mother 2 with the crappiest marketing campaign imaginable. And now you won't give Mother another chance. That was nineteen-freaking-ninety five Nintendo. Mother is an excellent series and deserves another shot at the North American market!

...Wow. Sorry about that rant, I just get annoyed when I see a series like Mother, which I consider a series of some of the finest games ever made (and my own personal favourite) get shafted by Nintendo of America. I literally hammered that out in five minutes of frothing indignation. >_>

...Incidentally, does anybody know what kind of numbers Earthbound actually sold? For all the anecdotes I've read of Earthbound's crappy sales, I've never seen some actual numbers.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8217401&postcount=30709
NakedCosmonaut said:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8222551&postcount=30752
Thriller said:
Theyd better give me ALL previous stages and especially Dreamland!

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8224350&postcount=30781
Jiggy37 said:
All of them--I can't think of a reason to take them out unless they're occupying too much disc space, but I doubt that. But some I'd rather see than others.

[Jiggy note: original post had my personal ratings of every stage in SSB and SSBM. Trimmed for space consideration.]

I like both "tournament" style stages and the more unorthodox stuff like Big Blue and Onett. Out of the revealed SSBB batch, I'm expecting to like Pokemon Stadium 2, Battleship Halberd, Delfino Plaza, and Wario Ware the best.
[Jiggy note: I don't remember which Brawl stages had been revealed at that time, but even now Halberd and Delfino Plaza are definitely way up there. WarioWare might be if only the rewards were, like, 15-20 health or something. Smashville's probably my favorite.]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8225730&postcount=30807
goomba said:
If Mii's are in Mario & Sonic at the Olympics, they can be in SSBB dammit!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8226737&postcount=30839
Testicular Sound Express said:
wishful prediction:

WARNING! CHALLENGER APPROACHING

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Geno

His moveset would be perfect. His arms shoot off, guns in his arms. His Final Smash could be like his final attack in SMRPG. He turns into a giant cannon.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8227866&postcount=30872
Crushed said:
For the love of God, a Belmont has to be in this game. They're iconic characters that represented Konami to gamers in the NES era, just as Mega Man represented Capcom. To leave them out of this magnum opus of fanservice would be a crime.

Simon was already in an SSB-type game with Snake, for crying out loud. The series lends itself extraordinarily easily to a moveset.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8228454&postcount=30892
Firestorm said:
I've run out of creative ways to predict Chozo Ruins.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8228995&postcount=30936
Jiggy37 said:
If they show Krystal today, I think Scribble should be tagged for dooming us all. :(
If SSBB needed another Star Fox character, it shoud be Peppy. If it needed another girl, then I don't know what they'd have to be thinking to add Krystal considering that a bunch of good girls are going straight to assist trophy, between Lyn, Jill (Drill Dozer), and--if Destructoid or whichever site it was is right--Airan from Sin and Punishment.

And so that it doesn't become the case that all of my sentences in this post begin with "if," we better at least get Lip or something. Or Midna, or Sami, or Daisy, or Marin, or Mona, or Ashley not as the probable background character she'll probably be, or that Mario Galaxy princess, or Ling from AWDS2 if she's a main character, or that amnesia girl from AWDS2 if Ling isn't a main character, or Micaiah, or Mia from FE9/10, or just anyone but that blue thing.
 

Jiggy

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Quote Archivist: MrCheez

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Section of Posts: #30,001 to 32,500 (continued)

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Iam Canadian said:
MOTHER STAGE UPDATE! SCORE!

But...but...it's a Mother 3 spoiler...

In my eyes, this is a Mondayton.

Incidentally, I love how the Ultimate Chimera has an adorable little chick on its head.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8229143&postcount=30961
Golden Darkness said:
New Pork City

The final area of Mother 3

And of course, those folks at Starmen.net said they were told this would be the Mother stage.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8229195&postcount=30989
duffey said:
Oh man, big stage = awesome.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8229208&postcount=30993
ohamsie said:
God damn it Nintendo, release Mother 3 in America for fucks sake. :mad:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8229220&postcount=30996
Jiggy37 said:
The more I look at this stage, the more I think it'll be one of my favorites for non-competitive play. Some of the building roofs look a bit too much like actual platforms, though, but I'm sure I'll get used to it.
[Jiggy note: If Brawl played at Melee speed and had the weaker Melee DI, I might--maybe--like New Pork City a lot more. As it turns out, I really hate it. One of the game's three worst, easily. :/ I suspect I'm certainly not alone in thinking like this.]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8229225&postcount=31000
Pureauthor said:
Now that's a big stage.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8229255&postcount=31012
Iam Canadian said:
I'm actually happy that this stage is monstrously huge. Maybe people playing with me will actually want to play a Mother stage now.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8229384&postcount=31059
PedroRVD said:
fantastic stage!!!

Im still worried...if Dr Mario does not make it in this game....im gonna cry.

118 days until Feb 10.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8238004&postcount=31298
Zeed said:
Marth is still in, if that's what you're saying. How do I know? I visited NOA and got the information straight from inside sauce.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8238039&postcount=31299
SuperAndroid17 said:
Sauce? Fucking AWSOME :lol :lol :lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8239643&postcount=31319
perfectchaos007 said:
December 3rd Megaton is almost guaranteed. Its like make-up sex from Nintendo

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8240426&postcount=31339
MrCheez said:
Megaman this week, guys!

What day is the Capcom Conference again? Wednesday?

Thats the day, baby!!!!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8241291&postcount=31367
titiklabingapat said:
I agree, adding Megaman would be a nice gesture towards Capcom.

But I still wanna see how Sakurai can incorporate Pikmin into the mix, like what he did with Pokemon Trainer. I can see Olimar controlling several tens of pikmins of various colors while he stays in the background, again, like Pokemon Trainer. Pikmin also fits into that alphabetical theory thing unless it was called something else in Japan.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8242086&postcount=31383
ShockingAlberto said:
sakirbynt5.jpg


So much win

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8242179&postcount=31387
ShockingAlberto said:
The thread for all the fake Kirby transformations if anyone's interested.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8242820&postcount=31404
Iam Canadian said:
I wouldn't be surprised if both Jiggy and I lost our favourite characters in this.

And if you don't know who my favourite character is, you haven't been paying attention.

Although I daresay Jigglypuff has a better shot at returning than Ness. Of course, that's probably just my pessimism.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8243034&postcount=31414
Cyan said:
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Classic Pac-man is pretty iconic.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8243258&postcount=31450
Zeed said:
HOME RUN CONTEST

With multiple players!

AND IT'S ONLINE!!!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8243300&postcount=31469
Dreavus said:
Home run contest, and it's online too. Very cool, definitely wasn't expecting an online mode for this mode!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8243319&postcount=31475
Rezbit said:
When I saw this I was initially a bit disappointed. I thought "Yeah cool, Home-Run contest is back. Is that it?" But then I saw the co-op and online modes, and thought "fuck yeah!"

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8243432&postcount=31509
MasterAJ22 said:
Incredible! Two can enjoy it!Incredible! Two can enjoy it!Incredible! Two can enjoy it!Incredible! Two can enjoy it!Incredible! Two can enjoy it!Incredible! Two can enjoy it!Incredible! Two can enjoy it!Incredible! Two can enjoy it!Incredible! Two can enjoy it!Incredible! Two can enjoy it!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8243439&postcount=31511
Iam Canadian said:
Sakurai truly is the master of onomatopoeia.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8243403&postcount=31506
Crushed said:
Japanese: &#12459;&#12461;&#12540;&#12540;&#12531;!!
American: PWANG!
British: THWACK!
German: PAFF!
French: BOING!
Spanish: ¡PAF!
Italian: PWANG!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8244149&postcount=31547
shaft said:
NEWCOMER

SANDBAG

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8250477&postcount=31613
Dr.Hadji said:
With the delay, I wouldn't count Ness out quite yet. As for Marth, that sucker is gone (unless hes a skin of Ike). Biggest reason why he won't return? Marth's play style would DESTROY Ike's to the point of making him worthless. It might be strange reasoning but no one has anything better as for why he'll return so I'll just leave it out there.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8252816&postcount=31659
MrCheez said:
I'm pretty confident that Marthy boy will be unlockable... and I agree with you about Jiggly being the first character unlocked in the game. As I was mentioning last week, I think every character with a unique moveset from Melee is 100% safe from being cut. (I still believe Ness is in, as an unlockable)

P.S. MEGAMAN TONIGHT OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGggggg

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8252884&postcount=31663
ant1532 said:
I'm saying Megaman is going to be announced December 3rd. This week will be a vet.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8256456&postcount=31803
Shadowmancer said:
So is it almost a foregone conclusion at this point that Megaman is in?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8256127&postcount=31752
BGBW said:
Meowth, that's right!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8256133&postcount=31753
CreatureX3 said:
Meowth...that's right! :D

edit: Aww...beaten! :lol

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8256144&postcount=31759
Iam Canadian said:
This update is making me blast off at the speed of light...to bed.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8257821&postcount=31847
ShockingAlberto said:
I hope we get Link's taunt from 64 back.

ADJUSTING YOUR HAIR DOES NOT INTIMIDATE PEOPLE

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8263068&postcount=31877
Scribble said:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8264566&postcount=31902
1up said:
I am pretty convinced that Luigi won't be in brawl. I saw that mario can change colors to be exactly the same green and blue as luigi in one of the gameplay videos. I hope I'm wrong. Unfortuately I can't find the video that I saw because I'm at work.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8266266&postcount=31931
MrCheez said:
Noooooooo where was my megaman update, Capcom! :mad:

Since we didn't get the announcement with the Capcom conference, my character prediction for the week has changed back to Captain Falcon!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8267027&postcount=31954
Milabrega said:
I'm Predicting a new trailer and it'll go something like this....

It starts out with SSBM models of Luigi, Young Link, Mewtwo and Game & Watch Running at each other. Then one by one they phase into their updated Brawl Models. Luigi with stylin denim, Young Link gets all Cell-Shaded Looking, Mewtwo has a very slight graphical update while G & W looks the same and makes a silly face. It then shows the four fighting over a number of stages an Assist Trophy Pops up followed by the final smash for 3 of the four fighters....

Cuts to an airship battle where Ridley Flys in ( Newcomer Ridley!) Ridley Pops a couple moves until a Red Pikmin Flyes by. (Newcomer Olimar) Flashes, Olimar and Ridley battle it out, They both turn to see themselves getting Falcon Punched... In rides King Dedede on a star, he crashes into a rock, everyone looks at him as a Crash enemy from the Kirby games crawls out from the crash, Dedede pulls out his Hammer, every gasps, and cut to a seen of a huge explosion going off in the distance.... Then the Smash Logo Flashes...

The Screen Goes Blank for a couple of seconds..... This Screen Pops up:

light.jpg


Dr. Light tells Mega Man all about his invite to Smash Bros.

Then a Clip of Mega Man joining the Brawl.

Thats my prediction and I'm sticking to it!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8266672&postcount=31945
MrCheez said:
HAY GUYS

I was thinking today about Captain Olimar (who damn well better be in the game) and I came up with the BEST MOVESET IDEA EVAR

Okay so like... when you play as Captain Olimar, you start with one Pikmin who follows you around (controlled by the CPU... think Ice Climbers). Olimar's down-B allows him to plant a Pikmin seed, which will then begin to grow.

After a period of 10-15 seconds, the seed will have grown into a planted Pikmin... still in the ground. Olimar can use his down-B move over the planted Pikmin to pluck him out of the ground... at that point you have TWO little CPU followers.

Here is where it gets interesting... you can plant more than one at a time... maybe, say, 3 at a time, wherever you choose. (One of each of the original colored-types? Or heck, maybe more than this - each pikmin could be really weak so that the player could have a bunch of them without getting overpowered)

Olimar's planting animation would take 2 seconds to complete, so you would not be able to plant Pikmin in the heat of battle.

Here is the other kicker... other players can damage and even kill your seeds! Part of the Olimar-player's strategy is to decide whether he should protect specific seeds, or run around the stage like a madman planting as many as he can.

The longer the Olimar-player survives in a match, the more potential he has for a bigger Pikmin army and the more powerful he becomes (I think this is an interesting concept for a character... becoming stronger the longer you stay alive). You can imagine most of his moves involve using every Pikmin under his control to attack in some way. And he could be made even more complex by giving statistics or abilities to the different colored pikmin (Maybe the player even has a way to choose which color he plants?)

Okay so that was really long but hopefully it is an interesting enough of an idea to make a fun read. :p

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8268167&postcount=31971
Jiggy37 said:
Join the Jigglypuff Tonight train, Firestorm. You know you want to
continue being wrong
.
 

Jiggy

Member
Quote Archivist: Fenix

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Section of Posts: #35,001 to 37,500


[Jiggy note: I left Fenix's formatting intact, so some of the links are to be quoted. Normally I would go back and click on the links that people sent in to get the full quotes, but Fenix had quoted some things and not quoted others. I'll assume there was a reason for that, such as that maybe he wanted to highlight certain posts more than others, so the formatting stays.]

[Jiggy note for the archive thread: I pulled out more quotes for this version.]



Smash Thread Retrospective (10/26/2007 - 11/02/2007)
Number of updates: 6
Posts 35,001-37,500:

This section starts out with some seriously strange character speculation: Kyle Hyde and Dr. Kawashima as well as some discussion regarding the series icons and their respective number (their file name).
And the first update in this section is the special moves of recently revealed newcomer King Dedede! and ohamsie makes an interesting predicition for Olimar as does Verano about Dedede's Final Smash.
ohamsie said:
Also: I hope Captain Olimar's moveset is similar to DeDeDe's Waddle Dee/Doo throw. A different direction for each color pikimin, with common being leaf, uncommon being a bud, and rare being full bloom petals.
Verano said:
His vacuum mouth could prolly be his final smash or King dedede summons a shitload of monsters to attack the other players.

Third party character (apart from Sonic/Snake) discussions take place, as is the norm. Slime, Geno, Crono, Lloyd and Megaman are all tossed about.
Over the weekend, A Link to the Snitch makes a crazy prediction!
A Link to the Snitch said:
Game & Watch should summon an octopus that sits on the stage and targets everyone.
:O

Out of the depths of the weekend, the Lord Sakurai gives us STAGE BUILDER, talk about a Megaton! It's amazing how much a single update can change the entire discussion in this epic megathread.
Slurpy lets us all know how he feels about the update:
Slurpy said:
STAGE EDITOR HOLY MOTHER FUCKING OF SHIT ASS JUST FUCK ME IN THE ASS
.... I'm pretty sure that's how we all feel, if not so vulgar.

A few other choice quotes:
HisshouBuraiKen said:
My jaw is stuck in the "hang open in shock" position.
Somnid said:
Holy Jesus, people wanted it but I didn't think he'd go through all that effort to actually do it. Sakurai and Co are made of God and win.
Mr.City said:
My God, it just keeps going.
TheGreatDave said:
HOLY SHIT.
:D

Did I say discussion? The awesomeness of Stage Builder has stopped all such nonsense, and everybody is basically just posting their O faces for 3 pages. (Also, David Hayter leaks Jigglypuff's return to the Brawl).
Golden Darkness said:
BTW, did any of you see this David Hayter interview? http://youtube.com/watch?v=vmxj-cly1Dk

It's a possible leak of Jigglypuff's return.

Linkzg comments that he thinks Ridley is better suited as a Subspace boss, to the dismay of some.
Linkzg said:
playable Ridley would be awful anyway, much better suited as a boss character in adventure mode.

Jiggy lets us know the the Stage Builder is the 4th megaton for October, what a month!
Jiggy37 said:
-Today has brought us the 11th megaton, and also the 4th megaton of October--the others being co-op Subspace Emissary, the reveal of Sonic, and Replay saving. What an insanely great month for updates.

-For three Mondays running we've had a stage-related update.

-We've now escaped 30, count 'em, thirty days of updates--that's weekdays only, yes, no weekends--with no item. If ever there was a time to predict that tomorrow will bring something horribly lame, this just may be it. :p Not that it matters since we'll all still be on a high from this.

The Smash thread hits yet another milestone!
TheKingsCrown said:
W000T! Over 2,000,000 views!

Pureauthor mistakes what the Stage Builder can do, but he does bring up an interesting stage...
Pureauthor said:
I wonder how large I can scroll the levels - recreating SMB 1-1, eh?

The flash-based stage editor appears (or rather Insaniac found it over at the Penny-Arcade forums) and a bunch of people start creating interesting stages, including superbank's "Breakout" stage
Android18a/Xeke wants an original Mario Bros. stage, and Tim-E/Capndrake chime in with a Donkey Kong level
Android18a said:
I want this as a stage:

mariobros.jpg
Tim-E said:
I don't know if it's been said before, but the Mario Bros. level idea made me think that this, too, definitely needs to be a level:

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Unless it was a secret I just never found/unlocked, I'm amazed this hasn't been turned into a stage yet. Imagine firing a shell off from the top, it winds its way down to the bottom... and pipes back up to the top. Getting faster and faster until someone gets hit by it :p

And you could have items and enemies spawning from the pipes, so you'd want to stay close enough to grab the goodies but not close enough to get MURDERED.

Ok, a new update... you guys made a lot of stages, let's enjoy the return of Classic Mode.

Coins are introduced, and speculation as to their use begins:
ShockingAlberto said:
Wait...what would you use coins for if not to shop?
ezekial45 said:
Melee had a Trophy dispenser that used coins. I'd imagine it'll work the same.
Jiggy37 said:
Maybe the coins are for upgrading your characters in that Subspace Emissary thing that was hinted at. Then again, I guess that might still count as shopping...
Well, I don't think anybody really guessed what the coins were really for. Clever Sakurai.

Classic mode can't deter anyone from making more stages! This thing's gonna be hells of awesome, seriously.

Scribble tries his hand at predicting future "megatons"
Scribble said:
Heh, the Stage Builder update marks the beginning of a new era in this thread.
Until She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named is announced

Tbh, I lol'd at Smashboards getting excited over being able to create Final Destination variations (oxymoron?), but it's cool. I'm just looking forward to seeing all the wacky stages that people design (It's happening already). It also means unlimited large Hyrule Temple-esque stages.

It's funny how the features in our Future-Megaton lists are become extremely specific and off-the-wall, as everything seems to be in the game already. But let me try. Some of these are only feathertons, btw.

*3rd 3rd Party Character - It should happen closer to launch.

*Mii Announcement - I don't agree that Miis should be playable characters, but it'd still be a huge announcement.

* DS Connectivity

* Geno and Ridley (I know Geno is Square, but he would have the SMB logo). The indifferent-to-fanservice people wouldn't care about this, but these characters have HUGE followings in the SSB communities

* Alternate Costumes - Probably not going to happen

* Online Co-Op Subspace Emissary - "Confirmed" by IGN?

* Voice Chat

* Customisable Event Mode (Like JoshuaJSlone's idea), or Nintendo-updated Event Mode over Wifi

* Costume Recolour Mode

* Trophy trading

Iam Canadian said:
I believe that we can expect an online co-op update for classic mode sometime in the future.

Since it seems that every other aspect of this game is online....
:(

Hey, the hallowe'en update, what could it be? The summit you say? Not very scary... but there is a lovely pumpkin.
But hey, at least this Ice Climbers level is not crap like Melee's, right?

Other posters seem to agree:
Linkhero1 said:
an Ice Climbers stage that I think I might like? neat.
CreatureX3 said:
What a beautiful looking stage. I can't wait to see it in motion! :D
Wii said:
Love this stage!

Apparantly the thread title was changed to something hilarious, but I can't remember it... hopefully sp0rsk posts it.

Things that would be awesome:
ohamsie said:
Looks like global warming is having an effect on the world of Brawl. We need an Al Gore assist trophy.

titiklabingapat posts a strange interpretation of the Brawl Main Theme
titiklabingapat said:
Probably old but this might distract everyone from the mod's tyranny:

smash bros brawl theme interpreted

"hey all those people seeing one Link are lame" :lol

sp0rsk said:
I predict it WON'T BE MEGMAN. NOT TODAY. NOT EVERRRRR. :(
sadface

November 1st's update is MetaKnight's sweet final smash. Some reactions:
Firestorm said:
See, now that's what you call a bad ass.
Oblivion said:
Eh don't like today's update. Saw it like 2 weeks ago.

A Link to the Snitch speculates that Kirby has been changed somewhat, about a page of arguing about this between Zeed and Snitch ensues.

sp0rsk said:
Megaman is not in the game.
Well then

Jiggy37 said:
We should compile lists of characters who would be anathema to certain posters. For example, Jigglypuff to SuperAndroid17, and Slime to SuperAngelo64, and Krystal to half the people in this thread. And Waluigi to whoever that was, maybe jj984jj, who hates him.
AND THEN HE GOES AHEAD AND DOES IT
Jiggy37 said:
The list of Anathema Characters so far:


Advance Wars: Days of Ruin characters - Jiggy37
Amaterasu - Zeed
Animal Crossing main character - Amir0x probably, Somnid
Baby Mario & Luigi - Fireblend, Iam Canadian, Jiggy37, Meloche, TreIII
Bowser Jr. - crowphoenix, Firestorm, Gekkonidae, Iam Canadian, Jiggy37, Meloche
Cloud - CreatureX3, Fireblend, Firestorm, Iam Canadian, Jiggy37, Meloche, Rotanibor Eht
Daisy - Fireblend, Firestorm, m00, Meloche
Geno - Big Icarus, crowphoenix, Jiggy37, KevinCow, Meloche, Rotanibor Eht, TreIII
Hebereke - AdventureRacing
Ice Climbers* - AniHawk, Crushed
Jigglypuff* - Crushed, SuperAndroid17
King Dedede* - Darkpen
Krystal - Nearly everybody to ever post in the thread
Lucas* - Crushed
Lloyd - Zeed
thatonecharacterbannedfromdiscussionweeksafterthispost - MrNibbles
thatsamebannedcharacter.EXE - SuperAngelo64
Miis - Fireblend, Firestorm, SuperAndroid17
Ness* - Crushed
Olimar* - ShockingAlberto
Pac-Man - Jiggy37, Keru_Shiri, Meloche, SuperAndroid17
Rayman - Fireblend, Nash
"sister"ofthebannedcharacter - MrNibbles
Slime - SuperAngelo64
Waluigi - Dice, Firestorm, jj984jj, psycho_snake, SuperAngelo64
Wind Waker Link* - SuperAngelo64
Wolf Link - A Link to the Snitch
friendoftheSNESincarnationofthatbannedcharacter - MrNibbles

* = They're already in, these posters are sorry to say. :(
Highlight = You are our winners! This character was revealed as an assist trophy only.

psycho_snake said:
I really want to see a krystal update just so I can see what happens to this thread
Please. No. m00 accurately sums up what this would be.
m00 said:
Jiggy37 said:
At least we'll know what getting hit with a Subspace Army bomb feels like.
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It's Krystal, from the Star Fox series!

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Wh-wh-what's happening to NeoGAF?

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Their sacrifices are so...so moving...

The following update is Personal Entrances, big for me, since I really missed them in Melee :D:D:D (even though we already knew about them)
underfooter said:
WEAK update.
:(

And that wraps it to page 750, wow, 50 pages for only 6 updates? You guys were going nuts, though I guess Stage Builder was mostly to blame.
 

Jiggy

Member
Quote Archivist: Iam Canadian

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Section of Posts: #37,501 to 40,000


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8462350&postcount=37563
I had no idea there was a Pac-Man cartoon. Now I wish I still didn't.
m00 said:
monkey79 said:
Bomberman was in Wario Blast and Hudson makes the Mario Party games. Pacman was in Mario Kart Arcade GP, so both are strong possibilities.
Besides, Pacman would have the best final smash. He eats a power pellet and everyone turns blue. CHOMP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PncuXGs6n4U


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8469806&postcount=37629
And here we see IGN misleading us. I really would like to know where they got this little bit of misinformation.
Rindain said:
I just read the "Capcom Five" edition of Smash It Up! over at IGN--http://wii.ign.com/articles/832/832322p1.html

This quote stood out to me:

We've had two previous editions of the column that focused on third-party suggestions – Konami's Crew and Sonic Team – and both were met with negativity, because the majority of fans believe that each contributing third-party company should only get one representative and be done with it. That's fair enough. But we haven't yet spent time speculating on which company will get the third third-party spot, or the fourth, or the fifth – you can go ahead and let go of the "Sakurai said only 1-2 more third-party spots" argument right now, because that's ridiculously outdated news. We know there are going to be more than that – count on it – so we're going to start pulling back the curtain on who it could be from a variety of possible companies.

Seems like he has some insider information.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8473863&postcount=37747
Crushed has the best dreams ever.
Crushed said:
Woah, weird, I also dreamed that characters were in last night.

Part of a much larger dream involving a dystopian post-apocalyptic world in which a blind dude bounty hunter traveled between dome cities that banished their superdisease-infected foreigners. And he suddenly became Samus and then I was in Metroid Prime first-person mode shooting at Ridley in a place that looked like was a mix between the Big Shell and Skytown, then Ridley changed his size to fit into Smash Bros. and suddenly it was the City in the Sky and I was reading the Dojo and Sakurai was saying how some Japanese guy's character was being put into the game as a tribute and also that he was going to reveal a bunch of new characters all week, including the Demoman from TF2 (who appeared in the fight), and that Shaft (from Castlevania) would be a characters alternate skin; he showed a bunch of pictures with riddles to get us to guess who the other hidden characters were, and one of the pictures was a peanut.

So I ran to GAF to tell everyone about the Demoman and Shaft being in Smash Bros., and somewhere along the way I became Gordon Freeman in a forest, checking out abandoned buildings.



Yeah it was weird. There was a bunch of other stuff too, but I forgot all of that.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8474935&postcount=37766
FALCON PUNCH! GOTTA SMASH 'EM ALL!
Holy Order Sol said:
I can't believe they actually went and did it :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd3HngOCGIE

Awesome and fail rolled into one.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8476192&postcount=37772
The world's most devoted Mother fan outlines his idea for the greatest Assist Trophy ever.

Iam Canadian said:
Jiggy37 said:
If anything from the Mother series ever made sense as an assist trophy, it's Starman. Or Mr. Saturn, but that's already an item, so Starman it is.
A Starman casting Starstorm would be a cool Assist Trophy but you know what would really excite me?

Giygas.

Consider this: the background of the stage fades away to this repeating endlessly, twisting and distorting. The music gives away to a steady high pitched beep, overlaid by a staticky chanting. A odd, rippling wave effect envelopes the screen, and every fighter is hit by some effect. Maybe they receive damage. Maybe they freeze solid. Maybe they are lit on fire. And a text box pops up saying this:

"You cannot grasp the true form of Giygas' attack!"

Then the background and music return.

Most epic Assist Trophy ever, no?


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8490655&postcount=37994
I spark a discussion about Pokemon's dark side.
Iam Canadian said:
At any rate, it's nice to see a Pokemon be realistically aggressive and actually threaten somebody.

Due to the battle system of the Pokemon games, even the largest and most untamed Pokemon always fight by the rules and only target the opposing Pokemon, never the trainer or random passerby. It's implied that the more predatory and dangerous Pokemon actually would pose a significant threat to people and it's good to see a game actually reflect that, even if it's not a proper Pokemon game.

I have to admit, the Star Fox Command design for Fox actually looks pretty good in this game.

Incidentally, this has me wondering if there's going to be actual dialogue between the characters during the Subspace Emissary. Okay, so I don't expect the monkeys to talk (this isn't that horrible Donkey Kong Country cartoon, after all) but Fox is a character actually known for talking and we see him just pantomiming in this video. I wonder if they'll keep the silent protagonists quiet and have the talking ones speak or keep them all mute.

Unfortunately, if Sonic's character video is any indication, he might be doing some lip-flapping.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8490677&postcount=38006
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8490756&postcount=38032
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8490855&postcount=38048
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8491402&postcount=38112
Pokemon is disturbing. D:
Crushed said:
The Pokedex entries on some Pokemon are actually rather depressing or twisted. A lot of them kill people, get eaten, or live awful
and miserable lives. Like Paras, it's being controlled by the mushroom. The Parasect is actually being utterly controlled, and will eventually be
killed when the fungus consumes its entire body; it's also forced by the fungus to spread the spores onto its eggs, infecting its own children
with their own seal of death.
Jiggy37 said:
Looking into the hole on the back of a Shedinja sucks out a Pokemon trainer's soul.

And Banette's mouth is stitched shut because if it opens its mouth, it'll lose its own soul. (But they went and completely ignored this when they made the Colosseum animations. :( It screeches all the time there.)
Crushed said:
If Jigglypuff's singing doesn't work, it will suffocate because it never stops to breath until after the opponent is asleep.

Cacturne follows lost travelers in the desert in bands, and wait until they collapse to kill them by sucking out their moisture.

Then there's the one that has to keep bouncing, or its heart will stop. I forget the name.
SuperAngelo64 said:
Or Drifloon who's pokedex entry says it tugs on the hands of children to steal them away and that it's formed by the dead spirits of Pokemon and people.

Or Spiritomb which is made of 108 spirits which have been punished for 500 years and confined to a keystone for their misdeeds.

Or Gengar who is just a dastardly dick. His pokedex entries say he hides in the corners of your room until it gets a chance to take your life force. It also says he 'takes the lives' of people who get lost in the mountains.

What a fuck.
[Jiggy note: Spoink is the one Crushed was thinking of.]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8492055&postcount=38121
A remarkably accurate summary of the first few levels of Subspace. [Jiggy note: Which is over 3200 characters long. :p]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8492596&postcount=38139
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8492712&postcount=38142
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8492762&postcount=38146
A debate over Pokemon theology. Oh, yes.

P90 said:
NeonZ said:
I think it's mainly because Palkia's and Dialga's creation are related to the beginning of space and time in Pokemon's world. The other Legendaries are important too, but they aren't related to the essence of reality nor can the others create new universes. They appear later on in the Pokemon world, I guess.

For the next game, they can reveal that there are multiple Pokemon worlds and that Arceus is only responsible for one of those worlds, making the next legendary the god of the multiverse! It even works from a gameplay standpoint, parts of those other worlds could be accessible after finishing the main game, like those post Elite Four areas in the other games.
Have you seen Lucario and the Mystery of Mew? Keeping spoiler free, Mew is no chump.

Arceus created Dialga, Palkia, Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf. Dialga and Palkia created the Sinnoh region. Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf keep balance.

I never got the impression that from everything that I have read on the web, seen in the movies, or by playing the games through a number of times that the D/P pokemon had any influence over the earlier, i.e., R/G/B/Y, Crystal, etc. Pokemon or regions.

I don't care for most of the legendaries in D/P. They are Pokemon that have been Yu-Gi-Oh-ized.
CassSept said:
Awesome update :D
About pokemanz, im surprised nobody mentioned Nidoking or Weepinbell
Nidoking captures and crushes his enemy's bones.
When Weepinbell catches his prey, he melts it with his acid and devours it.
I always laugh when people talk about how Pokemons are all cute and nice

About Arceus, it actually created whole universe, not just Sinnoh
Pokedex entries are
Diamond - It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms.
Pearl - It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed.
NeonZ said:
Arceus created Dialga, Palkia, Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf. Dialga and Palkia created the Sinnoh region. Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf keep balance.
Huh... no. Dialga and Palkia were created along with space and time. There's nothing mentioned about them creating the Sinnoh region specifically. It's even specifically stated that time only started flowing when Dialga was born, so there was nothing before it in the entire world, unless you believe that different flows of time had to be created for different regions of the world, which would be just ridiculous, and there's no basis at all for it.

As I understood it, Groudon and Kyogre were the ones who directly shaped the landmass and seas of the Pokemon world, not only of the Hoenn region.
Have you seen Lucario and the Mystery of Mew? Keeping spoiler free, Mew is no chump.
Mew's only the ancestor of modern Pokemon, with the power of every single one of them in his DNA. That's special, but still nothing compared to creator deities.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8503838&postcount=38293
This quote section needed more animated GIFs.
Holy Order Sol said:
Remember this :

SFBall9k.gif


Fox is so awesome.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8516501&postcount=38412
NOTHIN' AT ALL
the androgyne said:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8516611&postcount=38429
Spanish For Everyone...classic.
CreatureX3 said:
Newcomer:

Shawn

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8516736&postcount=38437
So simple, so perfect.
m00 said:


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8529391&postcount=38552
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8529392&postcount=38553
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8529398&postcount=38556
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8529411&postcount=38562
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8529482&postcount=38593
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8529488&postcount=38598
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8529560&postcount=38625
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8529593&postcount=38636
UP UNTIL NOW. The following people believe Ness is out.

Kelsonk said:
Ness is gone confirmed.

Negative Megaton confirmed.

Worst update ever confirmed.
GhettoGamer said:
NESS IS OUTTA THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Syth_Blade22 said:
uh oh... ness is out.
MindCollizion said:
Ness not in Brawl CONFIRMED.
layzie1989 said:
"There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in theSmash Bros. series up until now"

Ness is gone...TEAM BUMBLEBEE AM BROKEN UP ;_;
SuperAndroid17 said:
NESS IS GONE GONE GONE GONE! stop denying it
Nintaiyo said:
R.I.P Ness
ness_4.jpg

:(
Beezy said:
Bwahaha!

gtfo.jpg


Peace out Ness!


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8529430&postcount=38572
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8529419&postcount=38568
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8529434&postcount=38575
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8529472&postcount=38588
Four infinitely wise posters hold fast to the belief that Ness is in.

Iam Canadian said:
*Sigh*

The A moves are different. Ness doesn't have a rope snake. Lucas doesn't have PK Flash and Ness lacks PK Freeze. The PK Fire mechanics for Lucas are different than for Ness.

Lucas is Ness's equivalent to Luigi, NOT a clone.
Rotanibor Eht said:
Iam Canadian said:
Lucas is Ness's Luigi. CONFIRMED.
This here makes the most since to me! Ness is so still in there is no denying it DON'T ANYBODY TRY TO DENY IT!
Jiggy37 said:
I don't see why some of you are freaking out over this--Ness should still be in. Someone has to represent the yo-yo attacks, and why would they throw away some unique moves that were already created?
Keru_Shiri said:
I'm pretty sure Ness will be returning. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Ness was unlockable through Lucas (perhaps defeating Classic mode with Lucas).

At least, that's the feeling I get with this update, otherwise, why all the comparisons?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8529622&postcount=38647
I get a bit...irked.
Iam Canadian said:
All of you people gloating at the possibility of Ness being cut...

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE IT IF YOUR PRECIOUS CAPTAIN FALCON OR FALCO WAS CUT? HUH?

...Sorry about that. I'll calm down now.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8529964&postcount=38707
Here's a slightly more thought out post by me regarding why Ness is in. [Jiggy note: followed by Kreed, NeonZ, and more Iam Canadian debating about it.]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8530959&postcount=38731
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8531129&postcount=38735
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8532790&postcount=38756
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8536977&postcount=38775
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8537164&postcount=38776
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8537635&postcount=38779
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8538037&postcount=38781

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8540406&postcount=38814
Even I can get a good laugh out of this one. XD


woxel1 said:
Insaniac said:
Prediction: Veteran! Ness!
Sakurai: Thought he was gone huh!? hahah got ya!
ohnoness.gif

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8545846&postcount=39039
A history of lame weeks, courtesy of our resident Jiggy.
[Jiggy note: I was actually disproving the idea that that week (which had the following: 11-5 Fox's Misfortune (a Subspace Emissary video), Fire Emblem: Fire Emblem Theme, Items from previous installments, Gray Fox, Grab and Throw, Lucas: Special Moves, and Norfair) was the lamest yet.
Anyway, trimmed for enormousness.]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8547253&postcount=39073
The REAL reasons we should have had Mega Man in Brawl.
Magic Mile said:
Iam Canadian said:
Cut Man
Dr. Wily's Fortress Stages 1 & 2 (Mega Man 2)
Flash Man
Elec Man
Snake Man
Magnet Man
Quick Man
Bubble Man
And so, so many more.

Yep, I agree.
You forgot:

Ice Man
Metal Man
Crash Man
Mega Man 2 Dr Wily Stage
Mega Man 3 title screen
Shadow Man
Spark Man
Mega Man 3 Dr. Wily Stages 1/2
Bright Man
Pharoah Man
Mega Man 4 Dr Cossack Stage
Mega Man 4 Dr Wily Stages 1/2
Gravity Man
Crystal Man
Charge Man
Flame Man
Tomahawk Man
Burst Man
Shade Man
Freeze Man
Slash Man
Mega Man 7 Intro Stage
Mega Man 7 Dr Wily Stage
Mega Man X Intro Stage
Boomer Kuwanger
Spark Mandrill
Chill Penguin
Sting Chameleon
Mega Man X2 Intro Stage
Overdrive Ostritch
Bubble Crab

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8584859&postcount=39426
I couldn't resist.

Xeke said:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8591177&postcount=39513
MrNibbles rants about Mega Man.
MrNibbles said:
Mega Man 2 is where it's at.
Anything made after Mega Man X is trash.

I would not be able to stand all the fanboys crying for Zero or Roll as clones/assist trophies if Mega Man was in. (Or any of the other anime loli sonic and friends style abortions of characters that are in the games now.)

Mega Man won't be in Brawl.
Mega Man should not be in Brawl.

I can't wait for 1 week after release, when the gamefaqs forums are filled with bullshit threads about how to unlock Mega Man and other random 3rd party characters that didn't make the cut.

Call me when Capcom nukes the Mega Man universe and only Dr. Light, Dr. Wily, Mega Man, Proto Man, Rush, and maybe Roll, survive, in non-anime form.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8599054&postcount=39653
The very first use of "Novembust". :D
JohnTinker said:
WELCOME TO NOVEMBUST, GENTLEMEN

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8599089&postcount=39678
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8599098&postcount=39683
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8599128&postcount=39694
And thus begins the Dojo's short-lived fascination with puns. [Jiggy note: Handicaps were the update.]

linkzg said:
ShockingAlberto said:
He did that just to fuck with us.
some may say he was taunting us.
Kelsonk said:
This update certainly left me handicapped.
Kelsonk said:
Sadly, I'd say this update left me neither fit nor fair.

EDIT: Go to hell, Alberto.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8599629&postcount=39754
A weird non-sequitur.

SuomiDude said:
WTF?!? Earlier this day I was having a nice chat with my girlfriend, but then I decided to F5 Smash Dojo instead. My GF didn't like it, she would've wanted to have sex with me, but I had to say NO!, as I got better things to do. I showed my true love to her by F5:ing that Smash Dojo website instead of her, to get an awesome update today. Eventually we had to break up as she really didn't understand how important this is to me (and to many other people around here). We'd rather screw up our lives than miss the update, but it's all for the greater good, right? But now all we got was this handicapped stuff :(
 

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Member
Quote Archivist: dude

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Section of Posts: #42,501 to 45,000



1.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8750263&postcount=42547
Sp0rsk describes the thread with frightening accuracy
sp0rsk said:
Yes. There are people out there who don't like sifting through a 40,000 page thread looking for info about a game. There are people who can't stand having to sift through retarded Nintendo fans whining about krystal to see new pics of the game.

Some people are a lot of people.

This thread is NOT THE OFFICIAL SMASH BROTHERS THREAD. It's the official DOJO UPDATE THREAD. IGN UPDATES, FAMITSU UPDATES, UPDATES THAT AREN'T FROM THE DOJO, DO NOT GO HERE.

We've had this discussion before.

2.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8751266&postcount=42562
Novembust... The Dojo had its lows, too.
pulga said:
Linkhero1 said:
Megaton is coming on Friday.
Replace Friday with X, X meaning any day of the week, and you have Novembust's motto.

3.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8751292&postcount=42564
Row Row Fight the Powah!
Man God said:
I predict character tonight. Someone blue, a man even, fighting for everlasting peace.

Yep, Hector Tonight.

4.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8754642&postcount=42610
THREAD IS FUCKING GIGANTIC
Jiggy37 said:
So I calculated based on the 42,610th post. More fun with numbers:

-If you wanted to read through this thread in a single 24-hour period, you would have to be able to read 1775.41667 posts per hour, which means 29.5902778 posts per minute or ~0.4931712963 posts per second. Good luck. :D

-If you spent six hours reading each day, and could consistently read one post every five seconds (4320 posts per six-hour period), you would need 9.8634259259... days. (Look on the bright side: some one-word posts will take you less than a second to read! But watch out for those serious discussions and substantive posts.)

5.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8759114&postcount=42730
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8759265&postcount=42731
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8759281&postcount=42732

Whine Brigade! Notice they're all one after another.
Frozen Fire said:
Prediction: How to Play: Pressing Buttons
Killadji said:
Prediction : How to play : Pluggin' your wii in.

MEGATON DOUBLE UPDATE !

How to play : Switchin' on your wii.
Gekkonidae said:
How to play: Buying a "Television"

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8759303&postcount=42733
Right on the head!
ShockingAlberto said:
How to whine: GAF's Dojo thread

6.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8765831&postcount=42816
Crushed makes his triumphant return!
Crushed said:
gaffancrushdann.png

HEEEEEEEEYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Goddamn, it took me like three weeks to drill through that. It was like something was keeping me from posting. Weird.


Ah, but enough chit-chat. I leave for five minutes, and you guys shit this place up. I even warned you about sp0rsk and his impending tyranny!

But no! You guys had to just talk about me behind my back thinking I couldn't hear you! Telling lies and mistruths and exaggerations to those who would know no better! Such unmanliness! Is it any wonder that Sakurai has been giving you awful updates this month? He knew that I was gone!

Eh, que sera sera. If you simply let yourselves get walked over, then you need someone to hold you up.



86yn5ao.png

ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWAH

7.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8766965&postcount=42835
Damn right!
ElFly said:

8.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8781937&postcount=43224
Poetry.
Crushed said:
RoboPlato said:
I know what you mean about the harder sounds. They actually sound painful now. There will probably be some cringe inducing hits during matches.
A full blown knee to the face, tendons groaning and muscles shifting in the joint. Pikachu's teeth cracking and spewing out of his blood-flooded mouth. The clashing of bone and sinew. Rib cages cracked. Fists broken. Organs ruptured. Eyes detached. Foxes only. Items removed. Final Destination.

9.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8794940&postcount=43361
Super Smash Jiggy DOJO - Preorder bonus update.
Jiggy37 said:
Update type: Notice

Preorder Bonus

Starting next week, if you preorder Super Smash Bros. Brawl, you'll receive a special gift.

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It's... a girl's razor! Wh-what can this mean?

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Previously, in the Team update, I talked about the Easy difficulty, saying "It will be quite easy indeed." But if you choose Intense, well, the challenge level will be so high that even the toughest of men will be made to cry and literally turn into girls until they can conquer it. You should be prepared to adjust to this new lifestyle.

whimper.jpg


Amazing! Is this the work of the magician from Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts?

10.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8799320&postcount=43428
Most of these are funny, but remembering this will make you weep. Oh god.
sp0rsk said:
Today is the day :\

Kind of depressing knowing that stores opened 2 minutes ago.

11.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8799928&postcount=43462
Even Crushed got himself some fake updates.
Crushed said:
NEWCOMER: LOUIS FARRAKHAN

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From beyond the realm of gaming, the head of the Nation of Islam comes roaring into battle. Angry at the lack of black characters in Smash Bros., Farrakhan plans to show the Japanese who's boss.

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"FARRAKHANPANCHI!"

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"FARRAKHANPUREECHU!"

6q9kwlc.jpg

"Show me your Je-"

Most Honorable Minister Farrakhan, please refrain from racially insensitive comments. The world of Smash is all about unity.

12.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8802207&postcount=43551
I think Novembore broke sp0rs...
sp0rsk said:
NOOOO MESSAGE COULDA BEEN ANY CLEARER
IF YOU WANNA MAKE THE WORLD A BET'A PLACE TAKE A LOOK AT YO'SELF AND MAKE A CHANGEEE

YOU AINT YOU AINT YOU GO YOU GE

THAT MAIN
THAT MAIN

OH SHI- HERE IT COMES AGAIN
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8802240&postcount=43557
sp0rsk said:
ITS GONNA FEEL REAL GOOD

SHAMON

JUST LIFT Y O SELF
YOU KNOW


YOU GOTTA STOP IT YO SELF

GOTTA MAKE THAT CHANGE

TADAY

YOU GOTTA YOU GOTTA START WITH YO SELF BROTHAA

13.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8802466&postcount=43640
Real men use items. HARD. COLD. FACT. The Beginning of a meme.
Crushed said:
wi-fi03_071203c-l.jpg


Ahahahaha.

Confirmation, bitches. Argument am over total.

14.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8802583&postcount=43681
Truth is spoken.
Speevy said:

15.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8804283&postcount=43768
The stealthiest trolling ever. You can't understand it now, but back then, it was HOOOOOLY SHIT.
SuperAngelo64 said:
Zeed is still banned?! I had no idea!
Zeed said:
Angelo is my protege and official successor for the position of SSBB Thread Troll. Thanks to his dedicated efforts, I don't have to post here as much anymore.


-salutes-

Let the games begin!


I think I'll start things off with a nice

"Hey guys, you know this stupid looking avatar I've been using for a few weeks now?!?! Flip it upside down in paint and invert the colors!"
[Jiggy note: Angelo had taken what looked like a Mr. Game & Watch outline and put an upside-down, inverted-color picture of Mega Man inside it in an attempt to dodge sp0rsk's ban.]

16.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8807392&postcount=43818
Yes we will.
Firestorm said:
Yeah, he can replace Sonic on the front page. Also found this on Smogon:

Youwillremember.jpg

17.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8814367&postcount=43946
Don't touch the key.
HK-47 said:
Crushed said:
Phanto Assist Trophy.

Terrifying.
I hope you dont have the key...or we are screwed!

OH SHIT!

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Member
Quote Archivist: Man God

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Section of Posts: #45,001 to 47,500


45104- In which the Lord of Terror makes his return.
HK-47 said:
Iam Canadian said:
Just Piplup, actually. Because you can never have too much Piplup.

mball05_070920a.jpg
Need more Pulpip

45252- In which Man God takes over Zeed's position in making insane FE 7 predictions, albeit less creepy ones.
Man God said:
I can't wait until they reveal Hector's Final Smash.

45310- In which Zeed discounts the Lord of Destruction.
Zeed said:
mball08_071210a.jpg


Well shit.

It's like Piplup all over again.

mball08_071210c-l.jpg

"WTF is this???"

45416- In which Yazan foresees future Decembore disappointments.
Yazan said:
Next update

Using the cursor


wi-fi04_071207d-l.jpg

Just move the pointer on the character you want to select. I have also made so that you can use the wiimote!

zssbmselect.jpg

Look! 4 people can choose at the same time! DK vs Samus vs Link vs Fox. Just like SSBM, that's why you are seeing the same screen!



OH I almost forgot. You can even choose a stage!

wi-fi04_071207e-l.jpg

Awesome, isn't it??!

45664 In which Dechaios brings up the age old argument about a certain magical ninja.
Dechaios said:
SuomiDude said:
People still think she's he? Or was it just a typo?

Anyway, I don't think she's in the game at all. Wouldn't fit as a transformation anymore, Zelda being from TP instead of OOT. And I think Sheik sucks anyway.
1. Sheik is AWESOME
2. I heard they were redesigning Sheik to look more TP-ish
3. Sheik is a guy

Think about it this way-- if a guy is dressing up as a woman in a play and he is convincing enough to pull it off, then the character he is playing is FEMALE, much like how Zelda plays Sheik who is MALE
[Jiggy note: Wait, does this mean Jiggy is a girl confirmed? :eek:]

45901- In which RagnarokX seeks assistance in unlocking the Vault.
RagnarokX said:
I think it's a good update. We finally got to see the main menu :D

vault.jpg

46310- In which sp0rsk heralds the end of Decembore.
sp0rsk said:
MEGATON

WALUIGIIIIIIIIIIIIIII STARFYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

I don't care that they are assists, thank god Waluigi is in the game.

46362- In which Nash tells it like it is.
Nash said:
Death by Stafy will be a very satisfying kill ...

46846- In which ShockingAlberto forgets the Dark Link/Dark Samus connection.
ShockingAlberto said:
I think the shadow is just for dramatic effect.

It's probably a mercenary mission, linking Ike and Samus similar to a bounty hunter mission for Samus and Falcon in Melee (though that was competitive, not co-op).

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The sword definitely closes off at a point on the left side. It's a sword, not an entrance. I think the shield is just a cape flowing away from the camera, it's too round to be Link's.

link.jpg


Link's is angled at every end.

I dunno, at this point, I'd be willing to bet money it's Ike.

47037- In which MrCheez gets way ahead of himself yet is proven right in the end.
MrCheez said:
Assuming Ridley is in, this opens up the possibility of him having the Prime designs. (Meta Ridley as opposed to regular Ridley)

Which would you guys prefer?

samus_ridley.jpg


or

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I actually can't decide :O If only Brawl had alternate costumes we could have both!

(P.S. I realize this post is getting way ahead of itself.. Ridley's inclusion is definitely still up in the air. It's just fun to think about :lol )

47274 In which the final US delay starts taking shape, the calm before the storm.
Capndrake said:
So Walmart now lists the US release as the 28th of March.



...NoE better not release it even later than they have planned now.

47379- In which Crushed heralds Kirby's long awaited final form.
Crushed said:
KIRBY TRANSFORMATIONS!

kirby_071220s-l.jpg


YESSSSSSS! :lol :lol

47453- In which KittenMaster finally reveals Mario's destiny.
KittenMaster said:
kirby_071220a-l.jpg


Mario finally does what he does best: Plumbing
 

Jiggy

Member
Quote Archivist: Jiggy37

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Section of Posts: #47,501 to 50,000


Page 960 – Everybody goes nuts over the update of Wario’s alternate costume.
Page 961 – Then we realize that it says he’s the only chracter who has one, and we all either fall into despair or start spinning why the text doesn’t and can’t mean what it says. D: These things can't be captured in quotes. Click over and watch as the tide had turned.

Page 962 – Jiggy claims that the female Pokemon Trainer design is more recognizable than Wario. This does not end well.

Post 48107 – Jiggy’s thoughts on the Justin Bailey outfit after Iam Canadian points something out.
Jiggy37 said:
Iam Canadian said:
I don't know, I never really like Justin Bailey Zero Suit Samus. To me, the Zero Suit we see post ZM looks more logical; it actually looks like the kind of suit Samus would wear under her Power Suit (no inexplicable high-heeled boots here).
*squints at a Justin Bailey Samus sprite* I'm not seeing what you're seeing, but if those boots have heels then I retract my stance entirely, partly because of the nonsensicality of it but mostly since high heels should of course be banned from existing--both in life and in video games--and also make up the main reason I almost never play as Peach or Zelda even though I like them both personality-wise. D: (Which is yet another reason I had wanted alternate outfits. I'd play as, say, Mario Hoops Peach.)

Post 48173 – People freak out over a picture posted by ant1532, assuming this means Smash has gone gold. It would later turn out that it was only some Engrish.
ant1532 said:

Post 48222 and Post 48228 – As the whole thread looks forward to A Sakurai Christmas near the end of 2007, m00 decides that Jiggy is Pollyanna; Iam Canadian agrees.
m00 said:
Jiggy37 said:
I don't believe in the least that it'll happen. :D But two things:

1) I specialize in getting my hopes up when it comes to Wii content even when everything says I shouldn't! For example, today was a lame Christmas Eve Virtual Console Monday, so now I've simply moved into hyping myself up for an awesome New Year's Eve VC Monday even though I'm sure I'll be disappointed again. :D Edit: And then after the New Year's Eve VC Monday fails to deliver, I'll hype myself up for the first VC Monday of 2008! :D
I no longer have any doubts. Jiggy, you are Pollyanna. :D
Iam Canadian said:
Jiggy3 said:
2) I enjoy predicting big because if I actually end up being right against all odds, I look more legendary. >_> :D
I think your astonishing devotion to and thoroughness with statistics have already made you legendary, at least to the regulars in this thread.

Going with the Pollyanna theme, Jiggy, you're as crazy as a loon
but that's why we believe in you.

In all seriousness, though, I'm not seriously expecting anything better than a stage and I have a sneaking suspicion we'll be getting a Final Smash.

Post 48272 and Post 48299 and Post 48333 – KevinCow epitomizes a negative reaction to the Christmas update of Sonic’s final smash and Angel Island Zone music; Firestorm epitomizes a positive one. (There were many more reactions of each type.) Aras becomes a theoretical Crushed disciple and wonders where Simon Belmont is. But it’s not all unwavering joy or despair… even ethelred shows up once and again to hear Sonic music.
KevinCow said:
Sakurai? More like Scrooge-urai.
Firestorm said:
I read Final Smash and my reaction was "wtf we got this already"

And then... music. OMG YES YES YES YES YES YES OHHHHHHHHHHH YESSS GOD YES YES YES
Aras said:
-o- Sakurai hates us!!! he wants everyone to go to hell u________u

maybe he forgot to mention that Simon Belmont is going to be in smash cause Santa arrived at this home just the moment he was going to upload the screenshots of belmont T_T lol

Post 48480 – Meloche is the first but certainly, inevitably not the last to make a particular trophy stand analogy.
Meloche said:
So basically it's like catching Pokemon? Awesome.


Post 48532 and Post 48537 – Iam Canadian and Dreavus sum up pre-play thoughts on Subspace Emissary.
Iam Canadian said:
The Subspace Emissary looks to combine the best aspects of Kirby and Pokemon.

And that's awesome.

So far, December has redeemed Novembust at least two times over.
Dreavus said:
So the SSE is kind of like a brand new Kirby side-scroller, except it's on the wii, and I can play several Nintendo characters, and it has Pokemon-esque monster capturing.

Friends, this alone is worth the purchase.

Please Sakurai, take my money! Take it!

Post 48607 – KevinCow muses about whether he’d want a rebalanced game if things weren’t worked out correctly. I don’t know what eventual conclusion he came to, but I for one will say I would. Definitely.
KevinCow said:
Holy Order Sol said:
Should have been Super Smash Bros. Third Strike.
A slight tangent, but this makes me wonder how I'd feel if they did the typical fighting game route and released a rebalanced version of the game in a couple of years. Because on the one hand, I don't want to buy the game twice. But on the other hand, I don't want to wind up with a game that has a few stupidly overpowered characters like Marth, Sheik, Fox, and Falco in Melee.

Well, hopefully they just get it right the first time.


Post 48680 – Following the Coin Launcher update that had people clamoring that yet another genre was being represented in Smash, Danthrax underestimates the number of trophies and stickers!
Danthrax said:
Sciz said:
Fighter, beat 'em up, and shmup? Any other genres I'm missing?

Sakurai, you spoil us.


I can't begin to imagine how many individual trophies and stickers this game is going to have. Go go gadget collectathon
in a good way
.
I'm calling it -- this game will have 500 trophies and 500 stickers. 1,000 little worthless things to collect, and each will be oh so satisfying. =P

[edit] You forgot "platformer"

Post 48692, Post 48699, and Post 48716 – TreIII and Sciz decide Brawl could probably never be topped. KevinCow disagrees. Months later, we would find out that KCow was correct; Sakurai was asked in a post-release interview whether there was anything else he’d wanted to put in but had no time for, and he replied that he’d keep his other ideas a secret in case he came back for another game.
TreIII said:
RTS(or some kind of Strategy RPG) and Sim-Life/Dating mode. That's pretty much all this game needs in order to be able to cater to pretty much every fanbase that could exist. :D

Honestly though, with Sakurai pretty much throwing everything in here...I'm almost beginning to wonder...is he really just trying to make it so there really CAN'T be another Smash game after this? Because, the way things are now, I'd be hard-pressed to think how he, or any one else, for that matter, could hope to outdo this kind of package deal.
Sciz said:
They can always add more of the same kinds of content, but I'll agree that it'll be nigh-impossible to outdo Brawl in the same fashion that Brawl is blowing away Melee. From a cost:content standpoint, every other game of the last several years is going to look overpriced by comparison, Orange Box included.

It's like Sakurai's own personal Final Smash.
KevinCow said:
When Melee came out and it one-upped SSB64 in pretty much every conceivable way, I said, "Man, I don't think the next Smash could possibly outdo Melee in the way Melee outdid SSB64."

If Sakurai's involved, he'll find a way.

Post 48830 – After Jiggy agrees with TreIII that there are enough Mario characters, but wouldn’t mind Daisy, ShockingAlberto gives his own ShockingThoughts on her.
ShockingAlberto said:
Daisy had quite the badonkadonk in Mario Strikers.

Post 48876, Post 48908, and Post 48923 – The thoughts of Sharp, TreIII, and JKBii after we learn there’s going to be a week without updates.
Sharp said:
Uh-oh, Sakurai. Don't deny GAFers their fix. They can grow... desperate.
TreIII said:
"All seven languages of Smash Bros. Dojo will take a year-end holiday break from posting following 28th December. We plan to resume posts on 7th January.

Have a happy new year!"
....*laughs maniacally*

Sakurai, you magnificent, magnificent bastard! :lol
JKBii said:
Only Sakurai would take a holiday break after the holidays.

Post 48978 and Post 48979 – zoku88 and Jiggy discuss whether GAF plays games. Shortly after, KevinCow successfully predicts his own ban.
zoku88 said:
Don't kid yourself, we don't actually play games :p
Jiggy37 said:
Well, we do "play" games and we will "play" Brawl. It's just that, around here, games are a means to an end, where the end is us coming back to NeoGAF and launching into spirited debates about tiers, items, rule sets, tourney-legal stages, and stuff of all sorts that "should have" but didn't make it into the game. Keep your eye on the goal. :D
KevinCow said:
I am almost certain my first ban will come from one of these arguments - er, "spirited debates."

Post 49078 – With no updates to follow, Jiggy loses it and starts tracking how many screenshots each character has appeared in. Everybody decides Jiggy needs a tag.

Post 49307 – Jiggy further breaks down and starts tracking update types by day.

Post 49386 – ShockingAlberto’s response to Aras’ anime face spam.
ShockingAlberto said:
Aras said:
Aras said:
Aras said:
Aras said:
Aras said:
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[Jiggy note: I'm not sure if I like it because Aras is hilarious (in a good way, I like the guy) or because Alberto's picture is from Haruhi, which is of course fantastic and everybody should watch. Including the second season, whenever that shows up. And also buy the novels if they're ever officially translated.]

Post 49396, Post 49398, Post 49410, Post 49414 – TreIII, Man God, Jiggy, and TreIII again on the twisted logic of Nintendo, Pokemon, and Mother. I haven't put in direct quotes because I needed to conserve space protect the eyes of innocent quasi-humans ("children"), but these are great reads. If you dare look into the dark side of Nintendo, click the links. :eek: [Jiggy note: And for the archive thread I just ended up putting them in anyway. :p]
Post 49396, Post 49398, Post 49410, Post 49414 – TreIII, Man God, Jiggy, and TreIII again on the twisted logic of Nintendo, Pokemon, and Mother. I haven't put in direct quotes because I needed to conserve space protect the eyes of innocent quasi-humans ("children"), but these are great reads. If you dare look into the dark side of Nintendo, click the links. :eek:
Alright, guys. If I acually quote these, I'm going to have to split the section of 47,501-50,000 into two posts. Think they're worth quoting?



TreIII said:
He speaks the truth, though. In reality, the ICs should definitely be called the Seal Clubbers, cuz that's what they friggin' do best. In both the original Famicom game, as well as JP Smash DX, they continue to club innocent bystander seals and harvest them for their pelts! :lol

It's just another facet for how Nintendo often has a darker side than most would give it credit for. But then again, those of us who have been exposed to the likes of dumping dragons into pits of lava (SMB1), being allowed to stab innocent people (Zelda 1), gamble (Zelda 1) and have organized cockfights (Pokemon) would probably know better. :lol
Man God said:
More like forced eugenics programs involving incest and different species. Pokemon is a sick sick game.

Sending 10 year olds out, losing a fight means whiting out and having half your money taken? Twisted shit.
Jiggy37 said:
Iam Canadian said:
Although how something like a Pidgey or a Ratata is able to take the thousands of volts that must be generated by an Electric type or survive being doused in flame is beyond me.
Especially when they're 3,100-degree flames and 100,000 volt Electric attacks. Or when they get hit by a certain Pokemon that can send a train flying with a punch while also being able to throw 1000 punches in 2 seconds. Or get shot by another Pokemon with water pressure that puts a hole in steel. Or if they get stepped on by an unevolved Pokemon that can jump over Ayers Rock (348m, says Wikipedia) and has hooves ten times harder than diamond. And I haven't even mentioned a single non-first-gen Pokemon. D:

Then again, Pidgeot flies at Mach 2 (this for a base 91 speed?!) and bends trees with the gusts from flapping its wings, so maybe Pidgey has some kind of latent power somewhere in there while unevolved?


Edit: It does kind of make me understand why the single-player quests are so full of noob enemy trainers using pitiful low-level unevolved weaklings. If the Pokemon world were actually full of this stuff, I don't see how anyone would ever logically survive.
TreIII said:
Lavpa Jasai said:
It's true. The whole head-trippy thing behind Giygas/Giegue was actually inspired by when Itoi (the creator of Mother/Earthbound) had an interesting "moment" in his life when he unknowingly snuck into a theater...that was playing XXX flicks.

In a nutshell, Giygas was basically kind of representative of how his young mind couldn't understand what the people were doing on the screen. All he knew was that it was still very, very wrong...

If you want to read more about it, starmen.net's got ya covered.



Jiggy37 said:
Edit: It does kind of make me understand why the single-player quests are so full of noob enemy trainers using pitiful low-level unevolved weaklings. If the Pokemon world were actually full of this stuff, I don't see how anyone would ever logically survive.
That's why I ended up loving the Pokemon manga (the "Adventures" series, starring Red and co., not Satoshi).

They actually had moments were the Pokemon would be able to get hurt, or even die in grisly fashions, such as a Charizard getting its wings cut clean off, or another Pokemon getting impaled or otherwise getting a hole clean through it.

When I first got introduced to this stuff, I was definitely going "GYAT DAMN! Why is the TV show so kiddy, and this stuff so hard-core in comparison?". And yet, in the end, the manga still does adhere to the overall spirit of the games, which is what makes me love it even more than the anime.

For instance, in the manga, Lt. Surge and Koga were not only bad ass Gym Leaders, they were EVIL members of Team Rocket. I thought that was awesome to see Koga portrayed in such a way...

Post 49421 – A Link to the Snitch’s fantastic idea of a turn-based strategy game using the trophies. (Well, he was thinking of characters, but I added trophies.) We know you’re reading this, Nintendo. Get to it! :D
A Link to the Snitch said:
I hope SSBB covers all genres.

Fighting - Buh
Platforming - SSE
Adventure - SSE
RPG - Add leveling up to SSE
Flight sim - Use the engine from the end credits in SSBM as an Star Fox SSE level
Strategy Mode - Move your pieces around (pieces being SSBB characters, attacking a character results in you going into a regular HP battle with them - enemies can be basic enemies like Goombas, Assist Trophies, Bosses, playable characters, etc.)
Pinball - Simple mini-game

etc.
 

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Post 49428, Post 49432, Post 49436, and Post 49445 – A Link to the Snitch, vertopci, Jiggy, and Gunloc on Rick Wheeler as the new Captain Falcon.
A Link to the Snitch said:
So what if Rick Wheeler replaced Captain Falcon?
vertopci said:
Who the hell is Rick Wheeler?
Gunloc said:
Jiggy37 said:
For a second I felt like answering who Rick Wheeler was, but then I just closed the window--because, really, maybe if we ignore Wheeler long enough he'll simply stop existing, and that would be a win for everybody.
This is the meaning of life condensed into one sentence.

Post 49453 – Golden Darkness begins to create a grand archive of the first replies to each update. pulga and Firestorm decide he’s not Jiggy, but I actually think this was a wonderful idea. Too bad it was never completed.

Post 49551, Post 49555, Post 49577 – Jiggy decides that Kirby wasn’t playable at E For All because the hat update would have lost 65% of its charm; JonathanEx decides that this was a mathematical calculation; Jiggy scrambles to turn it into a mathematical calculation.
Jiggy37 said:
Meloche said:
I still sort of wonder why Kirby wasn't playable at E for All.
Because then the hat update would have lost 65% of its charm.
JonathanEx said:
And for the doubters, Jiggy probably actually figured out the exact amount of charm lost mathematically.
Jiggy37 said:
Well, see, 14 out of the 19 screenshots from that update would have been old news, which would have been 73.68% charm lost, but the two pictures with Zero Suit Samus and the one with Kirby eating Mario would still be decently cool in their own way, so if we assume that each of those would retain 55% of their quality then we'd be left with the equivalent of 6.65 good screenshots out of 19, leaving us with 35% of the charm retained and 65% lost.

I didn't do any of this until after you posted, and had to come up with a way to make the numbers match my made-up 65% figure.

Post 49585 – In the entire thread, this may be the only explanation of why there should be more female characters that doesn’t translate to “Smashsausagefestlol” or “need more eye candy ;_;.” ShockingAlberto is at least right about that. D:
ShockingAlberto said:
Jiggy37 said:
Re: females in Brawl, the number one reason I think they're requested so often is because most of the ones even remotely eligible are less generic than the males who are also eligible. Whether it's Midna, Dixie, Ashley, Micaiah, or even--yeah--a certain blue fox, they've got some potentially new and interesting mechanics in them. There's maybe one male magic user eligible for Brawl at best (Ganondorf), but three females right there. And no male staff users are floating around waiting to be put on the roster, and no males to whack stuff with an enormous ponytail. I think these are all more interesting to a lot of people than another sword fighter or hand-to-hand guy.

And it's not even true just for female characters, but sidekick characters in general, which is why people want to see the likes of Tingle throwing maps or whatever (for example), or even just less famous characters like Olimar with his Pikmin. It's also why a load of people love Mr. Game & Watch's wacky moveset and the idea of Pokemon Trainer's unique switching mechanic, but not--say--Donkey Kong, who's a really ordinary heavyweight who punches things hard like any other heavyweight in any other fighting game anywhere. Even Ganondorf's Melee moveset gets some hate in this thread, and it's not just because he's a clone but because they could have done something a lot more interesting than the punches and kicks that everybody else can do also.

I mean, we've had people in this very thread holding out for stuff like a playable Shyguy just because there's so much potential creativity there from Yoshi's Island alone. I was holding out for playable Jill until she was revealed as an assist trophy, because--well, she controls a robot with drills. There wouldn't be anything like it in Smash. And even now I'm hoping they do the Animal Crossing character (if there is one) justice instead of the usual hand-to-hand combat used for human fighters.


All that said, I think (hope) that by now everybody realizes the only criteria being used to determine who gets into Brawl are that the characters are either iconic or significant leads in a lesser-known series (Pit, for example). But the above is at least my rationale for wanting more females with no chance to get in and sidekicks who also have no chance to get in, and I'm pretty sure the same is true for a lot of others.
See, this is logical. That's wanting a character in that happens to be female.

But most of what I see, and most of what goes on in this thread, is "I SURE HOPE THE NEXT CHARACTER ISN'T MALE, NO MATTER WHO IT IS." It's damn near embarrassing to read.

Post 49625 – TreIII on the possibility that Smash could have gone down an alternate path where single-player was of primary importance initially. Jiggy isn’t sure whether this interesting hypothetical would have been better or not as good. Tre and Jiggy further ponder it. As per usual, not quoting the whole exchange, just the first post.
TreIII said:
Jiggy37 said:
Yep. Personally, I really just want to hear them admit it upfront some time. Just say "Yes, Smash Bros. came about because HAL's Kirby Super Star engine seemed viable for a fighting game" or whatever the truth is.
All we CAN peace together, given the info we do possess, is that Sakurai definitely did have plans for the engine, and probably wanted to use it to craft a story.

However, Miyamoto has been recently quoted that he "wanted Sakurai to focus on the MP aspects" of the game, which is why we probably why we've gotten Smash as we know it today, instead of something like the "Subspace Emissary" from the jump.

It would have been interesting if circumstances were otherwise. Maybe Smash Bros. would have been more like Guardian Heroes, in a way, where the story mode was the real meat and potatoes, and the multiplayer would have evolved into something serious down the road...

Post 49701 – Noteworthy only because I think this is the first time we hear of the nickname Cherry-don for Sakurai. :D
sp0rsk said:
Here's another one
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1952973

I love it, they call Sakurai Cherry-don

Post 49764 and Post 49768 – Some Photoshops.
CreatureX3 said:
Yep, there are so many great photoshops in this thread!

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:lol
Jiggy37 said:
As fantastic as Jigglypuff is, I still have to give credit where it's due. :D

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Sidenote: It feels really bizarre that 700 pages ago it was only August 24th.
[Jiggy note: that first picture was Snake holding a Wario head and delivering the Yorick line from Shakespeare.]

Post 49951 – The prominent Zeed rings in Page 1000 on the forum default setting! :O
Zeed said:
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HEY VEGETA, WHAT'S THE SCOUTER SAY ABOUT THE PAGE LEVEL?

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WHAT 1000?

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Cheers guys, this post marks the first time in GAF history that page numbers have hit FOUR DIGITS!!!


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I just realized that Page 1000 isn't quite the same thing as Post #50,000.

I'll leave that honor to someone else! :D

Post 50000 – And flipping_heck rings in Post 50,000! :D
flipping_heck said:
Glad to be part of this moment! 1000th page ftmfw!!
 

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Not a whole lot to report. Most of the stuff there were witty anecdotes, largely erroneous roster predictions, some false prophets, and a whole lot of Olimar luvins.

Personal favorites:
sp0rsk said:
I think I have a mancrush on Cherry-don
If only because it was sp0rsk.
Innotech said:
Sora would fucking suck as much in SSBB as he does in Kingdom farts.
I like Kingdom Hearts, and thought Sora would've been excellent inclusion, but this "third-grade humor out of nowhere" post cracked me up during my run-through.
m00 said:

Thread Milestones:

ShockingAlberto's avatar is born
KittenMaster said:

Dojo's hiatus is officially over, with Melee's returning stages.
Golden Darkness said:

Last starting character revealed:
Danthrax said:

First rumblings of the dreaded final delay...
WindyMan said:
Uh-oh...
Nintendo World Report said:
GameFly, the online game rental service that works much like Netflix, now lists a release date of 03/12/2008 for the game. GameCrazy, the game retailer affiliated with Hollywood Video stores, is listing 03/31/2008, but release dates on the last day of a month typically mean the game could be released at any time during that month. Other major online retailers, including EBgames.com, Outpost.com, Amazon.com, and Walmart.com, are still displaying the February 10 date.
However, Nintendo World Report has learned from a trusted source, who wishes to remain anonymous, that Wal-Mart's corporate database has indeed been updated to reflect an early March release for Brawl.

http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=15073
 

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First delay mention:
_Alkaline_ said:
An EB games in Canada shows Brawl being delayed till March.

Im getting a bit worried now - several sites are showing a delay.

sp0rsk hates us:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9301963&postcount=52783
sp0rsk said:
There will not be a worldwide thread for Smash brothers. No way in hell am I gonna deal with you people again.

Oblivion is crazy:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9315746&postcount=53110
Oblivion said:
HK-47 said:
You dont get it, when JB started they didnt have Galaxy planned. If they started Galaxy during JB's dev period, Galaxy would be taking away assets from JB, not the other way around. JB superceded Galaxy. They werent gonna just leave the game half finished.
I don't think we're on the same page here. To clarify, I'm not saying Nintendo should have started development of SMG midway between development of DK: JB. I'm saying there should never have been a DK: JB in the first place.

Feep gives us the goods:
Feep said:
This game is delayed until early March, if anyone was wondering. (sigh) Bastards, but at least I'll have time to finish the 2007 run-off.

Confirmed.

This never happened. Where is it:
Relix said:
If the game is delayed I will cut my balls off and hold the tag "I cut my balls off" for all eternity.

If it isn't my tag will be "Smash Prophet".

Deal? :D

sp0rsk breaks his rules :mad:
sp0rsk said:
Do you know about the delay like I know Megaman isn't in the game, or do you know like SuperAngelo64 knows megaman is in the game.

That's what I wanna know.
Keru_Shiri said:
sp0rsk, you may want to edit your previous post, before you get banned.

DELAY BEGIN:
MThanded said:
Due to delays in the completion of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, we’ve had to change the release date of the game to Sunday, March 9th.

I deeply apologize to the people who have looked forward to playing the game for so long and ask that you hold on just a little longer. Thank you for your patience.

Delay confirmed

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sakurai Wiki Edits:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9330007&postcount=53447
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9330104&postcount=53471
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9330179&postcount=53489
ezekial45 said:
From Sakurai's Wiki:

Sakurai Died on January 14, 2008 after a crowd of angry fans killed him for Delaying Brawl a 2nd time. A fan was heard screaming you must recover in the incident.

:lol :lol :lol
Ashhong said:
Man people are really fucking up his wiki
Masahiro Sakurai (&#26716;&#20117;&#25919;&#21338;, Sakurai Masahiro?) (born on August 3, 1970 in Tokyo, Japan) is a game concept designer, the asshat behind both the Kirby and the Super Smash Bros. series (With the newest one being delayed a second time because he's such a douche) on Nintendo platforms, and the author of a weekly column for Famitsu magazine.
PunjabiPlaya said:
Sakurai once said"I wanted to make a game that was like Duke Nukem Forever." Well, he got his wish.

:lol :lol :lol

SmashBoards Post:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9338786&postcount=53712
JohnTinker said:
SexConker said:
I just visited the smashboards forum...

WTF

8 year olds should not have keyboards.
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More Delay:http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9338945&postcount=53716
Papercuts said:
This delay can only be the work of the Devil.

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First Review!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9342689&postcount=53825
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9342876&postcount=53843
Jonnyram said:


You guys are gonna splooge when you see the cross review score :lol
[Jiggy note: Not quoting the other picture since it contains a scan of a Japanese magazine; GAF decided later that it wouldn't allow those on the forums.]

IamCanadian tells us why we should buy Kirby Superstar DX when it comes out:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9343664&postcount=53882
Iam Canadian said:
TreIII said:
Even with Kirby Super Star, on paper, being nothing more than a collection of mini-games...it still ended up having more meat on its bones than a number of "full-fledged" games out there, both at that time frame, and even now.
The cool thing about Kirby Super Star (actually, one of many cool things, but bear with me) is that it manages to incorporate almost every philosphy of platform game design into a single title, under the guise of "mini-games". In Super Star, we got a traditional Kirby sidescroller (Spring Breeze), a racer (Gourmet Race), a Mario World-style game with secret exits and enemy encounters on the world map (Dyna Blade), a Metroidvania-style exploration and collecting-based game (Great Cave Offensive), a non-linear game where the levels could be selected in any order (Milky Way Wishes), and a hardcore, fast-paced action game (Revenge of Meta Knight).

This isn't even counting the timing based minigames, the boss rush, the RPG battles, and the Parodius-like side-scrolling shooter near the end. Sakurai's versatility is mind-boggling, and it's this talent that makes Brawl the magic that it is.

I keep saying this, but Kirby Super Star is the genesis of Super Smash Bros. Many of Smash's ideas have their roots in Super Star.
[Jiggy note: you should also buy Kirby Ultra Super Deluxe on DS because it's really freaking fantastic, and the single greatest sidescroller Nintendo ever produced, overall. Not the greatest in single-player, admittedly--that would be Super Metroid or Yoshi's Island--but even in single-player it's right up there in their top five; in co-op it's purely sublime. And, again, the original game that's being remade here was created by Sakurai. All Smash fans should love Sakurai, yes?]

Sheik is a woman or a man?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9344308&postcount=54063
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9344559&postcount=54087
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9346441&postcount=54162
Rotanibor Eht said:
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I don't think those are tits. Its either just a weird angle, or the front flap thing of Shiek's outfit is hanging down a bit.

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While the view is somewhat obstructed, there is clearly no bumps in this shot.
Thunder Monkey said:
Crushed said:
Oh God, a bulge. :lol
I'm not sure I...

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...oh, there it is...
Crushed said:
Snake: Mei Ling, Princess Zelda just... transformed!

Mei Ling: Yes, Snake. Zelda knows how to disguise herself with magic to turn into her alter-ego, Sheik. This lets her keep a low profile from anyone attempting to steal the crown of Hyrule.

Snake: But... she looks... different.

Mei Ling: “It is the beautiful bird which gets caged.” It's a Chinese proverb, Snake. It means, that your talents and gifts which come naturally, may earn you unwanted attention. Those expensive dresses and royal jewels won't help the Princess defeat an attacker.

Snake: Actually, I meant that "Sheik" looks more like a man than a woman.

Mei Ling: Well... it is a disguise, Snake.

Snake: No, really. I mean... how?

Mei Ling: How what?

Snake: How does she change her... ?

Mei Ling: Ohhhh. Ew. I. Uh.

...Look, ask Otacon. I'm sure that his anime shows deal with that sorta stuff.

No Jiggy, this is NOT how you change a topic:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9349250&postcount=54207
Jiggy37 said:
Yeah, arguing about Sheik is kind of getting old.



Let's argue about tiers in Smash Bros. or any other fighting game. Do they matter? Do they exist? Are they imaginary? Is it possible that Pichu is totally broken and the only reason people haven't realized it is that not enough people have tested Pichu because society has colored their perception and made them too prejudiced against the little yellow mouse to really try playing as it?

Come on guys. :D If we finish this argument quick enough, we can move on in a single day to which stages should be tourney legal, before we've played them! ^__^

Guys Guys Guys, there are other games:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9353457&postcount=54277
Jiggy37 said:
At the time of this writing:

Total posts: 54277
Total posts from the top 5 posters: 7885 (~14.53% of the thread)
Top 10 posters: 11867 (~21.86%)
Top 20: 16841 (~31.03%)

Among the top 20, notables for their percentages of posts in the Dojo thread to posts on GAF period:

Jiggy37 - 2490/7742 (32.16%)
Zeed - 1481/6326 (23.41%)
Iam Canadian - 1371/2583 (53.08%) !!!!!
ShockingAlberto - 1340/4720 (28.39%)
SuperAngelo64 - 1011/1064 (95.02%) !!!!!!!!!!
CreatureX3 - 807/1634 (49.39%) !!!
MrCheez - 663/2241 (29.59%)
Keru_Shiri - 545/1410 (38.65%) !
Scribble - 510/1154 (44.19%) !!!
Danthrax - 469/1939 (24.19%)
Insaniac - 450/1301 (34.59%) !
crowphoenix - 418/1087 (38.45%) !
GamerSoul - 407/840 (48.45%) !!!



I don't know about you guys, but this has given me a whole new perspective on Smash fans. I almost feel like continuing down the line for a while. :eek:

aLttS says TLink is in, Gekkonidae says he's not:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9363470&postcount=54540
Gekkonidae said:
A Link to the Snitch said:
Apparently, this is what the WW Link trophy translates to:

""Casual Wear Link" Trophy
It's Link in casual wear. He's wearing a cut-and-sewn V-neck shirt with a lobster design on both front and back. His orange capri pants coordinate his outfit. He's known as the fashion leader among the residents of Outset Island. Compared to his well-known green outfit, this one is more leisurely.
[Gamecube] The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker"

So I'd definitely say that WW Link is playable.
I don't buy the whole cell-shaded link idea. Unless they're planning on building an entire cell-shading engine just for one character, which I don't see happening. To get that effect without building a whole engine around him they would have to make him 2D, which wouldn't really look the same.

Jiggy tells us his plans:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9367784&postcount=54603
Jiggy37 said:
I compile statistics in order that I might one day realize my dream of creating androids and programming them with lifelike human behavior. Just wait until 2042, when my bots will be running around DoubleNeoNeoGAF discussing hardware sales and Smash Bros. 7.

HotByCold :O
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9371155&postcount=54787
Akai said:
CoolS said:
OK I looked through like 40 or 50 pages now and still haven't found the guy who knew about this update. GHNAAAA!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost...5&postcount=86

Now you can pester him all you like... ;)
[Jiggy note of random and total bias: I would just like to say that Akai is an awesome person whose great taste is proven by liking Marin and thinking of Colette as the best RPG heroine ever. Yes, Firestorm, I am filling your section with love for Colette from Tales of Symphonia. You may hate me later. :D]

We hit 3 million:
M3wThr33 said:
3 million thread views!

lol pwnt:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9376585&postcount=54991
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9376658&postcount=54995
Firestorm said:
5 - 10 hours? I think that's too long. I'm hoping for 2 - 4 hours max personally. Subspace Emissary is something I want to play through multiple times. For me, a standard game is 8 hours long. Portal-length is perfect for SSBB.
Azuran said:
Baryn said:
Sucks the sticker attributes are only for The Subspace Emissary.

That mode better be 5-10 hours long, or so help me god! I will cancel my third pre-order!
5 hours is too long. I remember trying to unlock all of the Advance Wars: DS wallpapers and playing story mode for that. In the end I only manage to get half of them because beating story mode in that game takes a lot of time.

2 hours would be perfect. 3 would be pushing it.

wtf Famitsu:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9376655&postcount=54994
farnham said:
according to famitsu you will need no more less then 240 hours to complete the single player adventure mode with all characters

http://ruliweb2.empas.com/ruliboard...ext=%B4%EB%B3%AD%C5%F5&time=1209600&num=14201
[Jiggy note: With all characters? As in, playing through each level with each character in the post-game? More like 280 hours, if you could manage an average 8 hours per character and used only 35 of them (i.e. no Zelda/Sheik doubling up, or Samus/Zero Suit Samus).]
 

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Post 55083 – DavidDayton’s coverage of all the Nintendo games not yet seen represented in Brawl. Not quoted here due to length constraints, but a worthwhile venture.

Post 55300 and Post 55305 One of KevinCow’s dozens of meltdowns—and among the best of them!—about turning off items in Smash Bros. (In his defense, a bit later down the line he would come to accept both styles of play.) Firestorm replies.
KevinCow said:
Firestorm said:
It's just slightly annoying casual fans like KevinCow start bashing on people not playing the same way they do.
And tourneybitches such as yourself assume everyone who doesn't play by your shitty rules is a casual player. I'm not a casual player. I just like actually playing Smash Bros., not the boring, shitty game that you play that isn't actually Smash Bros.

As I've said before, I wouldn't have a problem with that boring shitty game that isn't Smash Bros. being played in tournaments if it didn't mean that there weren't any actual Smash Bros. tournaments. But it does mean exactly that, and I never get to watch videos of people who are actually good at Smash Bros. as opposed to your boring shitty game, so your boring shitty rules suck.
Firestorm said:
Stop taking the term casual as an insult? If I wanted to insult you I'd have called you an idiot. You are an idiot.

And if you want to have a tournament with items on and... well, I dunno what other rules considering that's about the only difference, go ahead? Make a thread on SmashBoards or somewhere else. Find venue. Make an entrance fee.

Post 55331 – SuperAngelo64’s summary of what “percentage” of the thread had been taken up by arguing over casual vs. hardcore Smash play.
SuperAngelo64 said:
Cowie said:
1100+ pages
but THIS is the one where we settle the casual vs hardcore smash debate, once and for all.
I can feel it.

Jiggy, do you have any stats on what percentage of this thread is sucked up by us arguing about this shit?
I'll handle this one, Jiggy.

"Too-fucking-much%"

In the past it started around "shittily-moderate%" which made a steady incline of "a-little%" during the 'great drought' or 'shit desert' that began around the beginning of 12/01/07.

It then reached "A-whole-fucking-lot%" as time progressed.

Also, here are some numbers that may or may not be entirely relevant:

-256.4
-7
-16.5%
-45,365
-1

Post 55349 – Semantic Continuum asks for what this post--as in the one you’re reading, not the one linked to--now delivers.
Semantic Continuum said:
Someone needs to do a Smash Bros Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread: The Greatests Posts

I'd hit it

Post 55364, Post 55367, Post 55368, and Post 55369 – sp0rsk, Crushed, and Man God musing over tournament rules.
sp0rsk said:
Crushed said:
Can I take a potato chip... AND EAT IT?!?!?!?!?
It depends. Are you eating the potato chip using tournament rules?
Crushed said:
No salts, no preservatives, original flavor only.
Man God said:
Ruffles Only
No Dip
Final Destination?
sp0rsk said:
You are only allowed to eat the potato chip in a neutral kitchen.

Post 55441 – pulga sums up the questions that linger over the heads of everyone in the thread every day.
pulga said:
Will Crushed finally lose what little sanity he has left?

Will SuperAngelo64 reveal what development team he works for?

Will sp0rsk ban the next unlucky motherfucker who posts rumors?

Will Jiggy eventually enslave us all and replace us with robotic overlords?

Shit, this thread like a day time soap, Mexican telenovela, reality tv, comedic sitcom and tearbusting drama all wrapped into one. Damn more entertaing to boot.

Post 55473 – coreycubed says our thread has “the best poster to idiot poster ratio out of anywhere else I’ve been,” and provides a GIF.
coreycubed said:
I've been tracking this thread for about 100 pages, and have to say that it's got the best poster to idiot poster ratio out of anywhere else I've been. Here's hoping that my posting here doesn't throw that off :lol

In other other other news, after tracking this thread for about 100 pages, the only universal truth I've been able to glean is this:

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Post 55497 – Yeah.
Crushed said:
Amir0x said:
Dang, you Smash fanatics REALLY need your fix. I guess fanservice is a dish best served... no i guess that saying doesn't work here. But man!

Anyway, enjoy. Behave. Listen to sp0rsk when he says things.
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Page 1111 – Three characters were leaked in one night via a video on Nintendo’s website… And you won’t really see us discussing it, because we all edited our posts to avoid getting banned. :lol

Post 55555 – Post 55555, baby!

Post 56101, Post 56104, and Post 56303 – ShockingAlberto, Jiggy, and Neiteio interpret the meaning of Mushroomy Kingdom.
ShockingAlberto said:
It's like this incredibly melancholy statement about how even the most historic of video game levels eventually falls in to disrepair.

It almost makes me depressed.
Jiggy37 said:
Super Smash Bros. Brawl = Sakurai's love letter to gaming.

As for the color scheme, yeah, it's a bit brown. In fairness, SMB1 was also loaded up on brown--I mean, the floor, the blocks, and the breakable bricks were all brown there too--but at least that had some bushes and such.
Personally, though, I think the biggest dealbreaker for colors is the sky, and I think Mushroomy Kingdom would look super incredible if not for the ominous clouds. Imagining a bright and clear blue sky of optimism and hope contrasting against this wasteland where even the question mark blocks and pipes have had their colors muted by time... That would have been a dream. :eek:
Neiteio said:
I see the Mushroomy Kingdom as a beautiful summation of what Smash is all about: namely, refusing to lose your inner child. While every other stage is an escape from the real world into one of imagination, the Mushroomy Kingdom is a reminder that the real world will grind our youth and sense of wonder into dust, if we let it. Playing in such a stage is like refusing to let go of the magic we experienced as children.

Everyone should appreciate the Mushroomy Kingdom. As a non-canon crossover title, Smash is Nintendo's one opportunity to do something wild with their properties. And, in this case, something profound.

Post 56223 – TreIII on why the Ice Climbers are the sickest characters in the Nintendo universe.
TreIII said:
Crushed said:
Yes, Mario is a murderer.
Well....he's also evidently a supporter of child abuse, as well. He assaults minors on a half-way regular basis, as well as abusing young Yoshis, doing anything from force-feeding to make them grow into bastions of his own twisted campaign that he calls "liberating Peach", or just riding on their backs even though he dwarfs them by like being easily double their mass and weight. :lol

Even so, I would think that the singular highest title of being the sickest SOBs in Nintendo-dom would have to go to the Ice Climbers. In the JP version of their game (as well as in JP DX/Melee), you know what they REALLY were after? Not those stupid "Topi" things...they killed baby seals! With those over-sized hammers! Sheesh, at least everyone else who wants to kill seals usually just employs bats! Those sick mofos use those mallets! :lol

Post 56318 – Jiggy lays down a dumbly massive list of stuff to look forward to in Brawl. Dumbly massive. Unquotable here. Also on that page, various people reply with their own lists.

Post 56394 and Post 56400 – MarkMan says sp0rsk for president; sp0rsk gives an “interesting” response.
MarkMan said:
sp0rsk for president!
sp0rsk said:
I'd be Sakurai's first lady.

Page 1131 – The Smash Bros. Dojo’s update is late. And so, for one of the final times—because interest in the thread hadn’t dwindled yet—the Smash Bros. Dojo Thread kills NeoGAF’s servers by refreshing approximately seven hundred and eighty-two thousand, four hundred and thirty-six times.

Post 56746 – BlueSummers takes sp0rsk’s old avatar. sp0rsk warns him what will happen, and quite a bit later he actually does it! Oh yes.
Tim-E said:
BlueSummers said:
More like:

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Post 56811 – SuperAngelo predicts Geno, and Halycon provides a GIF that makes no sense. I’m not even sure if it’s supposed to. >_> 838K, so not quoted here.

Page 1138 and onward – Or page 569 for some of you. Relive the reactions to the Masterpieces update! I believe this is the other final time that the thread killed NeoGAF.

Post 57004 – Though not in so many words, the Sakurai Does What Nintendon’t movement begins. Soon enough it continues: now with a logo! It would become a rallying cry. Others such as VeritasVierge and Firestorm generally agree. (Still, Veritas mistakes my meaning (I think Lloyd sucks, though I'd happily accept him in the game if Colette would get in too), and Firestorm is simply wrong about Colette being anything other than fantastically super, hence why I'm not quoting his propaganda.) Also Absinthe, Crushed, and I think BishopLamont is inferring it too.
Jiggy37 said:
Meloche said:
I've complained quite often that Nintendo has done a poor job of making casual Wii owners aware of the Virtual Console, and it's nice to see them finally getting the word out there on the service. Not only will Brawl's Masterpieces mode give newcomers a taste of some of the older Nintendo classics for the first time, but it'll also serve to introduce the Virtual Console service to a lot of people that have probably never checked out the Shop Channel at all. Good work Nintendo (Sakurai), keep it up.
Whoa, whoa. There is no "Nintendo" in this. At the risk of getting roasted by half the people in here, Nintendo can't even manage to sell themselves half as effectively as Sakurai has managed in one. Single. Game. No, really.

I mean, look. He's brought thirty-seven game composers on board, something Nintendo would never consider doing. He's promoted Konami and Sega, and hence is supporting the game industry as a whole. He's allowed users to create and share their own content. Nobody else at Nintendo bothers with this on a regular basis, at least not for high-visibility games (Advance Wars and Picross DS not being among them, for example). He's implemented all possible Wii control styles, where Nintendo would usually force one or the other out of traditional and experimental controls. Speaking of one or the other, he's put in a full-fledged adventure mode, which Nintendo also doesn't bother with; they're polarized, and are all for either single-player-only experiences (Mario, Zelda, Metroid), or multiplayer-heavy ones (Pokemon, Mario Kart, Wii Sports). It's most evident with how Miyamoto openly told Sakurai not to bother too much with single-player for the N64 game; they've got some kind of either/or mentality going on.

And now Smash Bros. is promoting VC more than Nintendo has in the fourteen months that the service has existed. This isn't Nintendo. This is all Sakurai, and he is the man.
mio said:
Classic demos?

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VeritasVierge said:
Ok, Jiggy, I forgive you for the Colette comment. Hell, you can even have Lloyd too.
Firestorm said:
No roastage, I agree. [snip]
Absinthe said:
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not really impressed with this announcement, but I think it's kick ass that he is practically making better decisions than Nintendo is with their games and franchises. They really should make demos an inherent part of the Wii Shop Channel service. I don't think that would be too terribly hard to implement.
Crushed said:
ethelred said:
That's lame. There should be demos available for every game on the Virtual Console as it is. You shouldn't need a retail disc for that.
Sakurai isn't in control of the Wii. He can only do so much.
BishopLamont said:
Be happy it's even on a retail disc.

Post 57089 – Neomoto pegs the significance of Smash Bros. Brawl and its place in gaming history with a pretty detailed post.
Neomoto said:
Wow, oh man, crazy and awesome update! And a truly brilliant addition. Not only are they doing things like creating Mushroomy Kingdom which has a next-gen reference to amazing masterpieces of the past but also including demo challanges for the originals for millions upon millions of people to enjoy/fall in love with aside from everything else and getting them more involved with the concept of Virtual Console? Amazing. This truly is a fanservice game like no other ever will be. One that probably will be forever rememberd in the future of the gameindustry.

Seriously Brawl keeps on delivering even after months and months of amazing and unbelievable updates :lol I know it's been said a thousand times already though but still.. wow.

It's easy to take this for granted at this point but everything about Brawl is beyond amazing. Seriously, this game probably won't be topped by any game in the future.. ever. Not even by a Smash Bros sequal by the samen team or and with Hal. I really don't see how it's humanly possible. Super Smash Bros. Brawl truly is a powerfull statement to the industry to show what Nintendo and Nintendo alone is capable of and even "small everyday" updates about the game can send shockwaves through the industry. If you think it through no other company could ever pull something like this off. Not withouth complete co-operation from a shitload of different developers and company's from the entire industry and even then it wouldn't come even close to the appeal Brawl has.

Iwata, for the love of God, do not waste this upportunity and keep "EAD Smash" and give this studio to Sakurai plus all the funding and resources he could possibly need and give him absolute freedom in creating whatever the fuck he wants. ANYTHING to keep him within Nintendo. Sakurai and this team are combining all the strength of Nintendo in one single game and executing it brilliantly. Even on the marketing department, Brawl is doing more for Nintendo franchises in general and even fucking Virtual Console than Nintendo has done for the last couple of years combined (and that is saying a lot more about Brawl than Nintendo). With all the succes the last two years and everything it would be such an incredible waste on so many different departments to let this all go away after Brawl it wouldn't be funny (and even financially - which is always the biggest factor - it would make a lot of sense).

Post 57124 – Gekkonidae provides an especially astute analysis of why the VC Masterpieces were added.
Gekkonidae said:
They ran out of things to put in Smash so they just started taking features the Wii should have and putting them in the game.

Page 1147 (and a little bit of the end of page 1146) – The thread degenerates into random Star Fox 64 quotes.

Post 57330 – Jiggy on why Nintendo really should have utilized VC demos before Brawl.
Jiggy37 said:
MisterHero said:
It's still not a huge deal.

VC is nothing to Wii owners who don't play Online anyways.
Well, that's kind of what I see as the problem. >_> VC could practically sell itself, if Nintendo would just let people know it existed... The NES Classics line performed very nicely and was probably more supported, yet here's a service that offers cheaper games, has support for more systems, has support for better systems with larger libraries... It should be a powerful incentive for Wii owners who aren't online to want to find a way to get online, but instead most people kind of ignore it or don't even know it's out there. And that's unfortunate, to me. :( If more users would get online, Nintendo could make more money, WiiWare would probably see better returns for developers, and Brawl might sell better--which for us would mean more people making and uploading stages, potentially a bigger competitive scene for Brawl, or even a bigger non-competitive scene (which I know many people here would love)...

So maybe I'm just clinging to scraps of hope, as well as showering too much praise on Sakurai and this feature, but even so, I still think that Brawl has potential to bring more Wii owners into an online setting, that it can promote VC, and that it can help sell newer gamers on these older classic games that deserve more exposure anyway. I'm just saying, I don't see a way Nintendo (or gamers as a whole) could have lost if they'd implemented this trial demo idea long before Sakurai did it first.

Post 57392 – And this one much more often than most, friend.
Jiggy37 said:
Keru_Shiri said:
Wow. I leave for a few hours and everyone is quoting Star Fox, Snitch wants a thousand game demos in Brawl, and BlueSummers has the most hideous avatar I've seen in days.

o_O
Ya know, threads break.

Post 57413 – May we never forget! PUN, PUN, FACO PUN! (YouTube link for you all not on NicoVideo.)
sp0rsk said:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2133471

The cutest falcon punch everrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
 

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Member
Quote Archivist: Jiggy37

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Section of Posts: #57,501 to 60,000


[Jiggy note: This section was done way before the format used in most of the other sections had been decided upon and I couldn't figure out a way to convert it without losing some of the effect I was going for, being able to bring in multiple frivolous posts from all over the thread, entirely out of chronological order, while still allowing each of them to mean something in context. So, this will be a little different from usual.]



Post 57528 – After having compiled statistics to seek numerical validation of life’s meaning, Jiggy brings the link.
Jiggy37 said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9493399&postcount=292

There you are. I think I've surpassed my limitations!

The first casualty of the wait for the Japanese release of Brawl, as noticed shortly by Fenix in Post 57629 and Iam Canadian in post 57669 and The Crimson Blur in Post 58090: Jiggy begins losing sanity and splitting personality, first losing sight of gender and then conversing about philosophy with a demon posing as a conscience and finally speaking to the Colette Avatar. Much later, the thread would discover that The Omni-Human software and mode swings were the cause.

Only some of the posts are quoted here; click over to see the rest.
OliveJuice said:
webrunner said:
If you bring up Wavedashing alone in the forest, is there still an argument?
If it's Jiggy, there is.
Jiggy37 said:
Truth! Not joining the debate club is among my five greatest regrets of my time in high school. :( Argue everything on every side every time, baby! Consider all possibilities--we're giving a fair shot to being too skeptical of skepticism to give skepticism a fair shot!
Jiggy37 said:
[...]I love Pokemon so much that I skip straight past fanboy and into fangirl
Jiggy37 said:
I'm personally holding out hope that the Japanese version doesn't have English as an option. D: I'm already trying to resist buying a Japanese Wii and importing Brawl. The internal rationalizations, they assault me as it is.
Evil Inner Thoughts: Hello there.

Chibi Jiggy: W-who are you?

EIT: I am your conscience.

CJ: Honto ni?

EIT: "Hai," my dear, obnoxious, overwrought otaku friend. I'm here to remind you that if you bought a Japanese Wii, you would be able to play Brawl early. And you could sell the system and game after you had the English version; truly there is nothing to lose.

CJ: But it seems so risky, Conscience-Sama. What if I couldn't find a buyer?

EIT: Why, how is that a problem? It would only mean you could keep your Japanese Wii, which surely has its own merits. Genesis games on VC would be 200 points cheaper, and furthermore you could play Final Soldier.

CJ: This is true. Dakedo... This reasoning all seems very utilitarian if not hedonistic, and never have I subscribed to the philosophies of--

EIT: And with a Japanese Wii, you also wouldn't have to worry about whether Tales of Symphonia: Knight of Ratatosk makes it outside Japan and Europe.

CJ: And ToS: KoR has Colette. :eek: ... The Heroine of Kawaii and Purity and Ditz. :O

EIT: Yes, it certainly does. She's beckoning you.

CJ: ...

EIT: And just consider how many more times she might save the world by tripping at the right moment, how many more times she shall say "I"m sorry," and how this would sound in Japane--

CJ: Chotto matte! You can't possibly be my conscience, or you would see clearly the selfishness of this plan, which places me as its central beneficiary. Rather, I have always held that the truest beneficiary should be the developers who make the games that I love, with intention that they might beget more such games in future times--and all monies I could disburse into a Japanese Wii could have instead purchased six further copies of Brawl, or gifted plenteous copies of Super Star Soldier, or other such ends for which all gaming might cheer and revel. I have dismantled your argument totally and exposed your true form; away, foul demon! Before I take up my magical wand and transform to defeat thee in fairer and more corporeal combat. :mad:

EIT: Bah, foiled. But fear not, o self, for I muse: so long as impatience and emotion dwell in the heart of man, I will find another to haunt. *departs*
But no matter how much I combat it with logic and reasoning, I'm sure it'll be back later. D:
Fenix said:
Jiggy, your inner child is creeping me out... have all the stats actually driven you insane?
Iam Canadian said:
Jiggy, I think my favourite part of that little split-personality soliloquy is that you actually use Japanese suffixes during your mental breakdowns.
The Crimson Blur said:
Jiggy is developing multiple personalities. :lol
Jiggy37 said:
RoboPlato said:
Edit: Beaten and it seems that Jiggy has finally lost it.
I seek to develop not just multiple personalities, but all personalities, in order that I may complete my android software, which in these beta stages I've christened "The Omni-Human."
Jiggy37 said:
Yes, my androids have what I've deemed "mode swings."

The second casualty of the wait as called by OliveJuice and TreIII, and sp0rsk was only waiting for the Japanese game! Nonetheless, he becomes compelled to post ASCII art of Opoona all over the thread, absolutely everywhere. However, later, when he gets the game, he seems exceptionally happy. These things may or may not be related to his replacement as an android.
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OliveJuice said:
I was right about the update :eek:.


\(0w0)/ @ Sp0rsk. The wait must be killing him.
TreIII said:
XD at all of sp0rsk's shenanigans. I really did NOT expect for him to basically pull out the Opoona ASCII. He's gone plum loco! :lol

...then again....I've probably gone insane too...

*glares at Play-asia yet again*
Tempy said:
Nintaiyo said:
Keru_Shiri said:
sp0rsk said:
We'd need around 1.5 posts a minute to get to 60,000 by Thursday 0:00
I see Jiggy has already begun replacing posters with his stat-crunching androids. >_>
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Post 58388 – SuperAngelo on the possibility of being killed by a tree.
SuperAngelo64 said:
Fireblend said:
You know, if that asteroid that's going by earth late tonight by some random chance hits us, we won't get to play Brawl because we'll be dead :(
We had a storm last night and there is a big giant shitty old tree next to the house.

It's not uncommon for giant old trees to fall down during storms and crush houses in this area.

I said "I'm going to be so fucking pissed off if that tree falls and kills me before Smash Brawl comes out."

My sister looked at me like I had just said the most ridiculous thing in the world.

When I initially said it, I honestly didn't see anything wrong with my remark.

The electricity went out, and I spent the rest of the night watching Brawl demo videos on my ZEN.

I think I have a problem.

The third casualty of the wait! Post 58518 chronicles Crushed’s fevered demand for sp0rsk to get hold of Brawl.
Jiggy37 said:
4:55 PM Pacific Time - "sp0rsk do you have the game yet"
5:00 PM - "now do you have it yet sp0rsk"
5:07 PM - "does he have it now"
6:09 PM - "so // does he have it yet"
8:45 PM - "sp0rsk do you have it yet"
8:51 PM - "so are we there or not /// ps: sp000000000000000000000000rsk"


Oh, and also 7:35 PM, but that's in the intro video thread.

Fourth casualty! In post 58533 TreIII snaps at last.
TreIII said:
sp0rsk said:
It is now 2:00pm Japan time.

By the time the tonight's update happens I will know if I can get it. I, of course won't be able to tell you guys till later.
Good hunting, sp0rsk-kun.

*snap*

YOU MUST RECOVER! YOU MUST RECOVER!

AH, THE NUMBERS!! JIGGY, JIGGY, CAN'T YOU SEE THEM?!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Post 58542, Post 58544, and Post 58548 – In light of all the bodies on Page 1171 in the last couple of hours before the game’s release, mCACGj, Lobster, and Jiggy analyze Sakurai’s time- and space-transcending powers.
mCACGj said:
It's amazing, the magic of Sakurai has also turned you all into 10 year olds!
Lobster said:
10 year old girls at that too.

Especially Crushed :lol
Jiggy37 said:
I'm pretty sure I've only become a 16-year-old girl. The numbers are protecting me. >_>

Page 1172 – Relive the reaction (QuickKick89 would say “fangasm”; Scalpel Knight would say “audiogasm”) to the starting list of 101 songs. (Later we would find out that there were one or two other unrevealed starter stages that also had some songs, making the number even larger.)
QuickKick89 said:
This is beyond a game. This is a total utter Nintendo fangasm.
Scalpel Knight said:
*audiogasm*

Post 58944 – Iwata Asks provides stealth confirmation of Smash Bros. 4?
Sakurai said:
I mean, we’re only on the third title in the series and whether or not you’ve played a previous version is not that important.

Post 59093 and Post 59183 – The Jiggybot Girl Mode is foreshadowed, and then appears less than an hour later.
Jiggy37 said:
Oh, I'm not channeling Colette; she just pops in to speak on occasion. If I actually activated the Jiggybot's Girl Mode--no, no, let's not dare think of the consequences.

Post 59216 and Post 59217 – Jiggy and TSA form a conspiracy theory on Brawl being delayed the extra month for the sake of being able to print more discs and set a higher record number.

Post 59406 – A long-awaited statistics collection with one of the Dojo thread’s favorite recurring pastimes: Star Fox 64 quotes.

Post 59509 – A huge archive of links to posts from dozens of people who had expected Ness was gone. Click over and witness self-ownage.

Post 59556 – sp0rsk makes the post that gives us the incentive to have had this Quote Hunt in the first place. Iam Canadian nominates Jiggy to do a closing post; Nintaiyo nominates Jiggy to do final statistics; Jiggy nominates the entire thread to look for good quotable posts. And so here we are!
sp0rsk said:
If enough people want this kept open, I'll leave it open. This thread deserves some sort of closure. For it to just die off would be too tragic.
Iam Canadian said:
pulga said:
So who should do the parting words? It should be someone who loves SSB and cares for this thread. I nominate Amir0x!
I'd nominate someone who's been in this thread for a long time, has an absurd amount of posts, and is willing to write a long, eloquent post that tries to summarize this thread.

Probably Jiggy.

Alas, I was unable to beat Jiggy's post-count. Curses!
Nintaiyo said:
Plus we need Jiggy to do a final stat analysis with all the updates, posts, users, etc. before this thread dies in a month or so.
Jiggy37 said:
If the thread is going to be killed off, I request 3-4 days' notice so I can put together some kind of fairly epic closing post about the significance of the thread, of the game, of Sakurai, and--perhaps most of all--of the Dojo itself. My degree might be in creative writing, but on a whim I believe I can cover a serious real-world discussion as well. I'm already envisioning what I'll say, and it would not disappoint.

Also, I could put in links to some of the greatest quotables from thread participants. But even for me, there's too much content in this thread to run through by myself; if a bunch of people could sign up to read through given sets of ~2500-post chunks (so 50 pages for my 50-posts-per-page comrades, but 25 pages for you 100-posts-per-page weirdos) and pull out some of the greatest quotes (usea replying to Jonk, for example) or most memorable moments (SuperAngelo64's infamous bet), I think that would be awesome for a final summary.

Post 59898, Post 59902, and Post 59907 – Sequence of posts about high heels and why they should be burned, banned, or both. You may or may not want to witness the reactions of Iam Canadian, crowphoenix, Iam Canadian again, a third time, Danthrax, and Danthrax again, but actually Vinci sums up the situation best from outside of the Dojo thread.
Jiggy37 said:
What would really blow your mind is if you checked that insects thread that Crushed linked to earlier. That was in my section of posts to read over. D: And even though I didn't click it again, it brought back terrifying memories. D: Oh, the dog-sized bugs and the mutated human bodies. D: It was even more horrible than that documentary I saw on high heels in like the mid-90s, and that one permanently changed my thinking without a doubt. D:
Jiggy37 said:
No, seriously, there was some documentary or other (or maybe it was just a news report, I don't know) about high heels, and they showed, like, X-ray scans of what happened to people who wore them too often or too high, so they had like these freaking hideous permanently deformed bones in their feet with toes shaped like talons. And even if they had just stopped at that, I would have freaked out, but then they showed the actual foot. D: Oh, and then there are people who go to cosmetic surgeons and have parts of their toe bones cut and replaced with surgical stuff so that they can fit into heels better. It's all rather frightening.


And to bring this back on topic, this is why I will never be using Peach even though she's a really strong Smash Bros. character. And why even though my taunt for Zelda will be something like "Power of flats!" as a joke, there's actually a deeply-rooted and deadly serious thought process behind it all.

Edit: Of course, I may have been more strongly affected than most because I saw this thing on TV when I was like 11 or 12, I don't know. Maybe it's like Itoi's inspiration for Giygas where it stuck more strongly with me for that reason?
Jiggy37 said:
Iam Canadian said:
Because I think it's fairly common knowledge that high heels are not good from a health perspective, but you seem especially serious about it, even though it technically doesn't affect you.
Oh, actually it does affect me. You see, every time some girl complains to me about her shoes, it annoys me because all I can think is that she chose to wear them herself and is being a hypocrite. For this very reason, high heels should actually be called "hypocrisy trainers" as a contrast to how some athletic shoes are called cross trainers.


On that note, I'm getting seriously off-topic, so I'll go no further than this for now. >_>
Vinci said:
One thing to love about GAF: You can enter a thread about a Nintendo game in which its famous characters beat one another senseless and unwittingly become a participant in someone reflecting on the grotesque nightmare that is ladies fashion.

Bravo.

Post 59921 – Chronicles of Jiggy’s OCD.
Jiggy37 said:
I don't hate 3D as long as they're doing something worthwhile with it, such as rail shooting (2D aiming mechanic = auto-justified!), arcade racing (simpler gameplay than most 2D experiences = auto-justified!), a mixture of the two (see Star Fox 64!) or clothing customization (since it's easier to model several clothes than draw several sprites, I expect developers to use it!). I'm really, really picky. Really picky (obligatory parenthetical phrase requiring an exclamation point!).


As for OCD, actually I'm not entirely joking about it. >_> But I did forget the thing I'll do before I even do those first four things: I have to wash my hands simultaneously with the plastic wrap that the Brawl box comes in, because if the plastic wrap was dirty then it wouldn't matter if my hands were clean, because I'd touch the plastic wrap and my hands would get dirty again and then I'd touch the beautiful white Brawl box, and that would mess it up because it's white like that--which is not to say that I don't also do these things for DS cases and PSP cases even though they're not white, because I do, because I don't even want to mess up the clear plastic in which the inserts go.


Anyway, around 40 minutes to go until the update!

Post 60000 – RoboPlato hits 60,000!
RoboPlato said:
Good to see Marth on the Dojo, since he is finally in some good screenshots.

EDIT: 60K BITCHES!!!
 

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Quote Archivist: Jiggy37

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Section of Posts: #60,001 to 62,500


Post 60013, Post 60018, and Post 60023 – Danthrax makes the standard joke about being over a certain number and Crushed has a meltdown over it. LinkAMN summarizes Crushed’s post with a picture. Not directly quoted for reasons of profanity and loads of it, but hilarious nonetheless.

Post 60060 – The grand chronicles of the dozens of people who thought Marth was surely, surely gone.

Post 60083 – HK-47 proves that Marth is a girly boy.
HK-47 said:
I forget what it called, but he actually is wearing a piece of his sisters clothing. She gets taken hostage, so he wears it to remind himself what he's fighting for.

Page 1203 – The Dojo pwns the Smash Bros. spoiler thread (so said sp0rsk’s thread title) by revealing info nobody who played the game had figured out: how to switch to Zero Suit Samus mid-match without a final smash!

Page 1211 – Discussions of whether we’d buy a Smash Bros. Brawl special edition in 2009 with a few minor additions. Also, doomed1’s quest to decide on a Captain Ayu avatar. (Note: Ayu is from Kanon, which is either the best or second best anime ever. Everybody should buy it.) Random samples:
Jiggy37 said:
The recording won't be as restrictive in Super Smash Bros. Brawl Special Edition, coming November 2009, now with new alternate costumes, trophies, music, saved screenshots viewable on a computer, and ten-minute replay recording, believe believe believe.
doomed1 said:
you know what, either once captain falcon is announced or the first of march, i'm going to switch my avi to one of my captain falcon ones. which do you think i should use?

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or
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hint: note the hair.

Page 1213 – Green Hill Zone is revealed and we all discuss how Silver doesn’t deserve to be near Tails and Knuckles, and also how Simon Jeffery sucks because he works at Sega and still has the nerve to hate on Sonic. Just a sample:
Jiggy37 said:
That one where Simon Jeffrey (I think it was) said something to the effect that Sonic stops being cool when people become teenagers?

Edit: Here you go. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7409628&postcount=1

Post 60902 – After however many months of trying, Jiggy both nails a prediction and the reasoning behind it, as opposed to only the former.
Jiggy37 said:
The past three weeks have had a character each, on a Thursday or Friday. I predict that tonight will break the trend and give us our character on Wednesday. Now, which character will it be?

Hmm. Gotta figure out the relationship between Ness, Marth, and Luigi. Ness is from Mother, which had Lucas already. Marth is from Fire Emblem, which had Ike already. Luigi is from Mario, which had Mario, Bowser, and Peach.

Ah, I see. The relationship is clearly that we're getting heroes from certain series which already had one and only one male hero revealed. I predict Falco. Or Kr--no, no, let's not even dare go there. She better be an assist trophy only.

Post 60986 and Post 61000 – JasoNsider pinpoints why not having a street release date (though Brawl did) always sucks.Post 61065 – Random Brawl fanart starring Kirby, Peach, Pikachu, and—for some reason—Meta Knight. Peach would be so much cuter if she’d lose the shoes. ;_;
Extollere said:
random but found a sweet artist pic for Brawl:

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Post 61172 – Importer extraordinaire MrCheez describes the glories of Subspace Emissary to us the unwashed who hadn’t played it. Long and detailed post, which means it was great to read at the time but wouldn't be so much now.

Page 1226 – Almost everybody hates on Zero Suit Samus’ design for one reason or another. You can also go back a page for some more in that regard.

Post 61328 – Tank McCannon is not a poster on NeoGAF, but he wrote an excellent summary of King Dedede’s awesomeness on Smashboards and gets reposted here, for great justice and all that. Very, very long post, but an exceptional read. Go to it. Now.

Page 1228 and on through Page 1229 – Being less than ten days away from Brawl doesn’t stop the thread from having another argument about items and banned stages. But this time is different!
No, really, it actually is different. This time it takes a turn towards the ethics of sportsmanship in video games. Also, Jiggy sums up an argument in haiku.
Jiggy37 said:
If players say ban
but game mechanics allow
the game should win out

Exploits? Not for me,
nor yet begrudging others
who accept them all

Arbitrary rules
are defensible because
consistency wins

Page 1231 – Debates about the canon of how Donkey Kong, Donkey Kong Jr., baby Donkey Kong (Yoshi’s Island DS), Cranky Kong, and Diddy Kong are related.

Post 61665 and Post 61670 and Post 61735 – In-game picture and fanart of Pikaman. Yes, Pikaman. Just look. You'll have to click on that second link, though, as the picture there is nearly one megabyte.
WiiRevolution1 said:
:lol :lol

Wheres my pikaman Update??

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woxel1 said:

Post 61934 and Post 61957 – Relix quotes Sakurai’s latest masterpiece of writing, as he describes his impressions of the Flat Zone 2 music. Sciz says what we’re all thinking.
Fenix said:
"It reminds me of being in some underground bar, sitting next to an overdressed man who is wafting his cigarette smoke through the air, the pinched corners of his mouth evidence enough that he is plotting something full of intrigue.

...Well, those are just my idle thoughts."

Oh my.
Sciz said:
Just popping in to say that if Sakurai's idle thoughts are always like that, he's got to have the best running commentary on everyday life going through his head of anyone on Earth.

Post 61991 and Post 62073 – Because nobody’s ever satisfied with anything, Jiggy provides a list of alternate costumes that would have been cool, and then Jiggy and MrCheez ramble about Stage Builder.
Jiggy37 said:
Ballad of the Wind Fish is definitely a sad case of an almost-in piece of music. :(
Oh well. Gives me something to hope for in Super Smash Bros. Battle Royale Brawl Deluxe Edition in September 2010, along with all the cool alternate oufits:



Mario - Dr. Mario, Sunshine sleeves, Shadow Mario
Link - Farmhand, Ocarina clothes
Pikachu - Female tail, party hat
Samus - The real Fusion Suit, default Power Suit (i.e. no Varia Suit huge shoulders)
Zelda - A Link to the Past dress, Marin, Zelda 1 dress, Malon, Oracle Nayru
Bowser - Mario Strikers armor
Yoshi - Boshi
Peach - Rosalina, Sunshine outfit, Tennis or Golf outfit, Mario Strikers uniform, Shadow Queen, real Daisy
Luigi - Mr. L, Cosmic Luigi
Zero Suit Samus - Chozo training clothes, Fusion ending clothes, Zero Mission ending clothes, Justin Bailey outfit, green hair and brown hair swaps for any of the above
Pokemon Trainer (trainer) - Leaf Green girl, Pearl girl, Team Aqua/Galactic/Magma/Rocket Grunt
Pokemon Trainer (Pokemon) - Black and white (homage to the original games)
Sheik - Ocarina outfit
Ness - Ninten
Captain Falcon - Berserker
Edit now that he's been revealed: Ganondorf - Ocarina outfit, Wind Waker design
Edit now that she's been revealed: Jigglypuff - Ninja headband, hair bow

Also, and credit to A Link to the Snitch on these (because I don't even agree with all of them): Paper Mario, black and white Mario, Magic Armor Link, shiny Pikachu, Dark Samus, skeleton Bowser, SMB1 dress Peach, rival Pokemon Trainer, and black and white Pokemon Trainer.
MrCheez said:
I've said it before but I'll say it again... I would have done some of the 3d modeling for extra character costumes and so on for free! :lol Sakurai should have called me up and let me intern.
Jiggy37 said:
Oh, another issue. There are loads of great stages found only in Subspace Emissary that I'd love to use in multiplayer, except they're not there. Or even just the awesome backgrounds--why can't I use those in Stage Builder, when they've already been created?
YES! This especially. It seems like some of those assets were already put into a quick 'level building' format for the target test, too! I want to make custom stages out of those :(

I adore the stage builder feature and never dreamed the game would have it... but that said it has sooo much untapped potential. Three backdrops is way too low!

And I STILL dont understand why I can't build objects directly next to eachother! Everything takes up extra grid space when you place it... even the pieces that look like they’re suppose to make tunnels can't be placed directly next to eachother! Argh!

Post 62164, Post 62180, Post 62189, and Post 62197 – RocketDarkness draws comparisons between Disney’s Aladdin and Jigglypuff with Ganondorf, contributing to Jiggy’s insanity.
RocketDarkness said:
Honestly, to me, it looks like something out of a Disney movie. More specifically, Aladdin. Jiggly, taking Ganondorf by the hand, is flying him through the starry skies. Romance ensues.


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I can show you the wooooorld~
RocketDarkness said:
Jiggy37 said:
This will never leave my mind now.
Glad to have helped contribute to your insanity.
Jiggy37 said:
Jiggy37 said:
Tell me, King of Evil, now when did you last let your heart decide?
~I can show you the world
Living, wondrous, splendid
Tell me, King of Evil, now when did
You last let your heart decide?

I can open your eyes,
Show you pathways to freedom
Visiting Hyrule to greet ‘em
Without committing genocide

A whole new world,
That you won’t rule, that you won’t own
We’ll live in this peaceful town
No Master Sword around
To put an end to your scheming

A whole new world
A kind of life I never had
But way up here with you
It’s clear I never knew
How long I’d truly been dreaming~


What have you done, RocketDarkness? What have you done? D:

Post 62345 – MrCheez outperforms Jiggy at stats. :O
MrCheez said:
Jiggy37 said:
Music gets its 26th update, and Thursday is now only tied with Monday for last place at three music updates each. Woo yeah, stats. >_>
What! Jiggy, this is unacceptable! Maybe you're tired? You have been working really hard... Here, let me lend you a hand:




~~** Music gets its 26th update... it's been 19 whole updates without music until this point! Can you believe it? Woweee~! ^_^ I love music updates because the header is so delightfully purple because this game has such an amazing soundtrack! <3 <3 <3

~~**~~** Thursday-kun is now only tied with Monday-sama for last place at three music updates each. Keep trying Thursy, you can do it!!!! ^_^;;

~~**~~**~~** This update also has over twelve sentences! I think Sakurai might be going a little overboard, how about you??? Sakurai-sama can never go overboard, silly! I dunno... look how many tracks are in this game! It's crazy! Hai hai, but what about the Ballad of the Windfish song he cut out?! Huh, huh HUHUHUHUH?? You can't expect to have everything. -_-;

Post 62356 – And just when things can’t get any more amazing, Nate from Treehouse—yes, that Nate!—shows up to post in the thread intended to represent that Dojo which for many months he—yes, he—worked on translating. :O
nutron said:
Hey there. This is Nate from the Treehouse at NOA. You may remember me from such classics as That One Demo In San Francisco and The Screenshot That Angered Smashboards.

Anyway, it’s general policy that we don’t post on message boards, but with the end drawing near for the Dojo, I got some special dispensation. I was going to post this several places, but since all roads lead to GAF anyway—and since this thread is of such legendary size—I decided this might as well be the only spot.

Anyway, as some of you know, we’ve been working on Brawl with Sakurai-san and his team for several years now, and the Dojo itself for almost a year. Needless to say it’s been a ton of work, though nothing compared to what Sora pulled off, obviously. That said, it’s been a labor of love, and its coming end seems sort of sad. I can’t tell you how many nights I stayed up until Japan Time, knowing what morsel of delectable information was about to be served up and relishing every bit of anticipation from you guys. It really made all the work worthwhile, and I wanted to thank you die-hards that have been around for it all.

I also figured this would be a good spot to ask a favor. Now, I don’t know how many of you guys download daily stages and snapshots from the Smash Service, but for those that do… Look, sorting through 10,000 submissions every week is fun and all, but it breaks my heart to have to ditch some amazing stage because it had an extra-raunchy title. There’s some incredible creativity on display that I’d love to share with the rest of the Smash community, but a little restraint in the naming conventions will go a long way. Yes, we all know it’s hilarious when Diddy Kong goes to town on somebody’s face—I feel that the snapshot medium is also ready for some fresh ideas. Spread the word if you can.

So… Yeah. Have fun with the last seven or so updates. And when the gray day of reckoning comes and Sporsk approaches, pillow in hand, to gently smother this thread at last, do not weep! Smile, because Smash endures, and it is good.

Thanks again, guys.

Post 62473 and Post 62474 – GAF’s Brawl IRC room votes to confirm that Jiggy is a girl.
crowphoenix said:
Jiggy37 said:
Yeah, I think I quoted her* the most in each of my sections too for the same reason. I'll have to count, though. >_>

*The GAF Smash IRC community took a vote tonight and decided Jiggy had to be a girl
Let us never speak of that again. I still feel like an unclean jerk, ma'am.

Post 62491 – Firestorm reposts a series of poems made entirely out of quotes from the Dojo. Way too long to quote here, but click it. Srsly.
 

Jiggy

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Quote Archivist: Jiggy37

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Section of Posts: #62,501 to the end


Post 62606 – The update for Thursday, April 10th, 2008, would be the Dojo’s final late update. Three hours late, in fact! MrCheez recalls his times spent refreshing.
MrCheez said:
I remember that sometimes I would look forward to the Dojo update all night, so that when it was close to midnight I would want to cherish the moment and not waste it. So I'd load up the dojo and before looking at the update I'd make the window half it's usual size and pull it to the bottom of the screen... then I'd SLOOOOOWLY scroll down until I could only see the very top of the new update banner and try to guess what it was before actually seeing the entire thing. (First thing I would usually notice is the color of the update (denoting it's type) and the top of a franchise icon.)

99% of the time at this point I'd be too excited and say "fuck it" and just instantly scroll down to see the entire thing.Yeah so... there was something wrong with me, back in the pre-Brawl release days :lol (not to mention the nights where I'd load up every single language page of the dojo in different tabs, and switch between all of them quickly F5ing to see which would update first! But at least with that I know I'm not the only person to do it :lol )

Post 62627 – How large would the thread be if it were a book?
Jiggy37 said:
MrCheez said:
If this thread was a book... just think how large it would be. *mindblown*
Assuming that the 62,613 posts as of this writing averaged to ten words each, we'd have 626,130 words. As someone with a degree in creative writing, I generally manage to get around 8,500 words into 25 double-spaced pages, or 12.5 single-spaced pages, using Word with one-inch margins all around. There are ~73.66 units of 8,500 words to be found in 626,130 words. So, multiplying it out, the book would be roughly 920.78 single-spaced pages--in Word. Most paperback books won't fit nearly as many words on a single page as Word will; the double-spaced comparison is probably closer to being fully appropriate. So basically we might estimate that it would be about 1841.56 pages.


Again, all founded on the assumption that the posts averaged ten words in length. >_> I'm inclined to think that's a low estimate, but maybe that's because my own posts are fairly wordy. <_<

Post 62666 – Note the number of the post as you read it.
Jiggy37 said:
It's 1:26 AM Pacific. Super Smash Bros. Brawl is in my Wii, just a certain number of feet away. I could be playing it, or I could be going to sleep. But right now I am waiting for the Smash Bros. Dojo to update and tell me information about this game that I own. This is madness. This is SUMABURA.

Post 62728, Post 62729, Post 62730, Post 62731, and Post 62743 – Milabrega, Jiggy, crowphoenix, and MrCheez want AbyssWolf’s 2D sprites in a Smash game, and MrCheez’s 3D models at Nintendo.
Milabrega said:
Jiggy37 said:
I still believe in the Mondayton. :( Super Smash Bros. DS developed by HAL with 2D sprites, go go go!
With AbyssWolf's Sprites.
Jiggy37 said:
And then MrCheez can do work on 3D trophy modeling. :eek:
crowphoenix said:
I third the notion of a 2d DS game with Abyss Wolf's sprites. Those things are so awesome.
Jiggy37 said:
The great thing is that now we know Nintendo of America is actually reading this. Come on, guys. Talk to your superiors, who will talk to their superiors, who will get to Reggie, who can maybe get to Nintendo of Japan. Shill for AbyssWolf's skill, and maybe
definitely not
we can get something happening. D:
MrCheez said:
Oh man, yes!!NOA if you're still reading this, I will model for peanuts!!! http://www.chrisgrahamart.com @_@



(It would be a dream to work for Nintendo... someday I will do it, someday!)

Page 1256 (and onward) – The Dojo’s final daily Friday update provides a huge mass of the best hand-selected screenshots sent to Nintendo by gamers. The thread picks out its favorites.

Page 1258 – At the top, Man God suggests we go for one last round of Star Fox 64 quotes. Everybody obliges, because Star Fox 64 is, of course, excellent.
[Jiggy note: So my original summary said. VeritasVierge pointed out upon reading it that she didn’t oblige, so let’s amend it to “almost everbody.”]

Post 62869, Post 62871, Post 62873, and Post 62875 - Jiggy finds a new way to beg.

RoboPlato said:
Jiggy deserves a medal for all of the number crunching he's done in this thread.
crowphoenix said:
Jigs deserves a VC game. And a tag. :lol
Iam Canadian said:
The problem is, Jiggy has everything on the VC worth playing. :D
Jiggy37 said:
I currently lack Alien Soldier, Contra III, Dynamite Headdy, all three Ninja Gaidens, Air Zonk, Pokemon Snap, and Streets of Rage 3. <_< And my Wii code is 2610 7931 9227 5650. >_>
[Jiggy note: crowphoenix actually did end up buying me Contra III. :eek: See below.]

Post 63152 - crowphoenix's salute.
crowphoenix said:
Jiggy 37, for services above and beyond the call of the dojo thread, we hear and proud to present you with the Golden Contra 3 of Honor. You did good, Soldier. Many stats were saved to your valiant efforts.

Gentlemen, Salute!

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Post 62980 - It shall live in infamy.
JonathanEx said:

Page 1261 – The last of the daily updates arrives. ;_; Witness tearful farewells begin. To be honest, everything from this point on is worth reading, very much so. Nonetheless, for the sake of preserving more quotes indefinitely, let’s press forward:

Post 63093 - We'll miss you too, sp0rsk. ;_;
sp0rsk said:
It was really fun guys, even the parts where I had to murder several of you multiple times.

Post 63095 – AniHawk pulls Carl Sagan on us.
AniHawk said:
And so it finally ends, GAF's biggest thread.

Look again at that thread. That's here. That's home. That's us. In it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader", every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there—on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

Post 63130 – CreatureX3 recaps personal favorite moments and screenshots.
CreatureX3 said:
What a fitting final update! Smash Bros. Brawl is filled to the brim with so many cool little touches. Thank you Sakurai and crew for an amazing game! :D

Also this thread was incredible as well. Waiting for the updates to hit was pure insanity. There were so many great moments in this thread. Way too many to list. But here are a few that stick out:

- WastingPenguins having to eat crow over Wario's moveset :lol
- Jiggy's Statsapalooza (pretty much click any page in thread!) :D
- Dojo updates knocking out NeoGAF :lol
- Zeed (Lyn fan extraordinaire) banned during Lyn assist trophy update :lol
- SuperAngelo64 stealth avatar troll :lol

Big thanks to all NeoGAF Dojo members who participated and made this thread so much fun to visit every day and night!! :D

And finally, here are my favorite screenshots from the official site!
Top 5 Official Dojo Screenshots:
1.
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2.
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3.
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4.
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5.
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Hopefully we can all do it again for Smash Bros. 4!

Post 63156 – SuperAngelo64 bids farewell to GAF as a whole. Of all prominent posters in the Dojo thread, the greatest percentage of his posts on GAF (period) were in here. The first time I had tracked that percentage, it was found that 95% of his ~1065 posts at the time came here; even in the end, he still landed at over 84%.
SuperAngelo64 said:
Well! This was probably the most fun I've had in a thread for an online forum! It was alot've fun and the last Dojo update actually made me feel a little said! That being said, now that Smash is out I don't really have much of a reason to lurk this place anymore! If anyone wants to hit me up on AIM it's SuperAngelo64.

And now for my grand, dramatic exit!!

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5582/goodbyegafxf6.swf

Post 63158 – MrCheez says his goodbyes.
MrCheez said:
It's really touching to read everyone taking the time to post a goodbye message... everyone seems to have a lot of respect for this thread (and rightfully so!).

This is most likely going to be my last post here as well, since I need to head out for the day. Tonight I'm going to grab some popcorn, plant myself in front of the computer, and enjoy Jiggy's Dojo Thread Wrap-Up Extravaganza. :D Thanks once again for all your hard work Jiggy as well as your very fun personality (I don't know how else to put it :lol), you definitely helped make this thread something special.

That goes to many others in this thread as well... quick shout outs:

Iam Canadian, you are just a great e-friend, fun to talk with and always supportive. Plus I love when people get really obsessed about the things they care about (*cough* Mother *cough* ;) ) because I'm also like that with my interests :)

Crushed, sorry you got banned and I hope you get to come back soon :O You provided me with plenty of lols

Angelo, my Megaman partner in crime. Don't stop believin' (that flash animation is hilarious btw)

Haunted One, crowphoenix, Alberto... you guys were huge participants in many of the discussions that went on over the last 11 months, and were always a joy to debate/discuss with :)

Firestorm... you were like our emissary for Smash Boards, with all the info and links you brought :) Also, hats off for the singles tournament you've been hosting. (It's a lot of fun!)

Jiggy... I mentioned you above, but again... you are one of a kind! With all you did for this thread, I definitely consider you the Thread MIP!

Sp0rsk... gotta give you a shout-out too. You were like the daddy of this thread... sure we got disciplined a number of times when we got a little out of line, but in the end you took great care of this thread.

AND to all the other posters AND the lurkers! This was a great community... the majority of posters always encouraged good discussion and always had fun. And I lost count of how many times I saw solitary "hey guys I've been lurking for 5-9 months and I just wanted to say hello" posts :)

Soooooo thats it... sorry this is a little drawn out. As nerdy as it is, this little thread became my favorite corner of the internet over the last year. Thanks again everyone!

I'll see you all around GAF, and hopefully in many Brawls in the future :D

Post 63259 - ShockingAlberto on his accomplishments.
ShockingAlberto said:
Most of my quotes were zings or yelling at people.

I am proud of this.

Post 63279, Post 63312, Post 63315, and Post 63345 - Mm-hm.
ShockingAlberto said:
Haunted One said:
sp0rsk said:
Crushed keeps e-mailing me asking to keep the thread open till he gets unbanned tomorrow.
Lock it 5 seconds after his ban is up so he can click on post reply and write his post but never submit it.
This is the best thing I've ever read
m00 said:
I can imagine what that must be like.

Crushed said:
sp0rsk can you keep the thread open until i get unbanned
Crushed said:
please can you keep the thread open
Crushed said:
then can i at least get unbanned early
Crushed said:
sp0rsk am i unbanned now
Crushed said:
how about now

Page 1268 - We do Star Fox 64. Again.

Post 63401 – pulga makes something great from a screenshot taken by MisterHero.
pulga said:

Post 63430 – Crushed proves he wasn’t bluffing.
Crushed said:
Yes my friends. It is the end of an era. Let me give you a pat on the back. (slap) Here, have a cigar.



...What's that?





I see.




...Many of you feel sad.




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Like you're about to explode.


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Like you just walked in on your parents doing it.


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Like Weegee just stuck his fist in your bad place.


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You want to cry.



Well cheer up, Jigglypuff.


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You may feel that your skull has been bashed in.

Well cheer up, Squirtle.


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Cheer up, Yoshi!


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Cheer up, Olimar!


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Cheer up, Captain Falcon!

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Cheer up, King Badass!


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Cheer up, Samus!


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Cheer up, Donkey Kong!


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Cheer up, Ganondorf! Oh, I see you already found a new friend.


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Cheer up, Luigi oh what in god's name is that between your legs



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"But... Crushed. It feels like I've lost everything!"

No Snake. You haven't lost anything. You've lost nothing at all!


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"Feels like I'm losing... nothing at all?"

Nothing at all!

"Nothing at all!"


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Stupid sexy Smash Bros!




Yes, the Dojo is over. It's futile to try and stop that.

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Futile as trying to capture a Sonic in a Pokeball.


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After all, it's simply bigger than you.




But enough of that silly picture business for now. Yes, for the last year we've been all typing away late at night, trying to see the newest info on the game.

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Type type type.


I could point out the pointless and patheticness of this. How incredibly stupid we are to waste our sleeping time to get tidbits for Nintendo fighting game. I could point out that Jiggy37's statkeeping never in any way provided any useful or practical value whatsoever, or that his stupid fucking girl act was the creepiest and dumbest thing ever posted to NeoGAF, despite the fact that it appears to have gotten him several boyfriends who almost seem to think that Jiggy is an actual girl. I could say that I still think Sakurai should be imprisoned for war crimes, because he didn't include Mega Man, Ryu Hayabusa, or SIMON BELMONT ARGGGGGGGGGGGGH.

I could say all that, but I won't. I just did, but we'll pretend I didn't out of courtesy.


For you see, the Dojo served as our training wheels. It was our Brawl before our Brawl. We had almost as much fun with it as we have with a new game. But the time has come to stop such things. If this were a church, I'd read that overquoted passage where Paul puts away childish things and acts like a man, which is telling because Paul was a total mysoginist.


We will walk behind the controller
We will put away keyboards


Yes, that is a mangled paraphrasing of the last song in the musical version of Les Miserables. I'd put the other parts, but it's hard to hear the people sing when you have no voice chat.


I'm rambling.


I must get back on track.


If only someone could deliver a powerful blow to me. But who.


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KNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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PUUUUUUUUUUUUNCH


HOLY MOTHER OF FUCK, YES!


Thanks Captain Falcon. You stopped me from making a huge mistake. This is a thread about a website handing out news about a Nintendo character fighting game. I was about to try and end it on some sappy and sentimental note about "thanks for the memories" and shit. Jesus Christ, I'd be taking all the fun out of it!


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Just like that! Ruining all the fun.



So be happy!

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Jump!


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Dance!


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Love!


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Raise the roof!


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Twist!


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Shout!


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Laugh!


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Comfort!


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Wear funny hats!


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Make new friends!


It's time to forget the Dojo. We've been long, LONG, LOOOOONG overdue. The Dojo has served its purpose. Let it rest in peace. We should not overlook the game itself, and so BETRAY the whole point of the site itself.


Let us shine brightly! This is only the begin!



And when does this begin, you ask? When do we put away the old Japan Time, and start the new? Well, if you'll recall when I gave you a pat on the back...


The NEW JAPAN TIME isn't "opening today." It starts...





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"NOW!"




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(!) You've cleared the Smash Bros. Brawl Dojo Official Update Thread! The real brawl begins now!
 

Jiggy

Member
Quote Archivist: Jiggy37

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Section of Posts: #62,501 to the end (continued)


Post 63453 – The only thing Crushed wouldn’t do.

Crushed said:
I wouldn't actually do it.


I was too lazy to photoshop a "credits roll" with our avatars and names on it.


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Post 63471 and Post 63479 – Read. Watch if need be.

Crushed said:
sp0rsk: Not yet! I can still go on!

Sakurai: SP0RSK! Let me handle this! Dojogann! OVERLOAAAAAAAAAAD!

Dojo thread: Cherry-don!

Sakurai: Do not grieve for me, my children. I was once inside a sea of despair and weariness, but I came all the way here. With this temporary website, it will give me satisfaction, being able to create a tomorrow for the Smashers!

Dojo thread: Yes, you're certainly right. (glimmer)

sp0rsk: Dojo thread, you...

Dojo thread: :)

sp0rsk: :O

Dojo thread: Sp0rsk. You got this far doing what you had to. Isn't that right?

sp0rsk: ...Got it. I'll win this fight for sure.

Firestorm: Of course.

Anti-Smashbros: You'll end up dying like dogs anyway! VANISH!

crowphoenix: Dojogann is quantumly dividing!

Sakurai: I was waiting for that... !!!!!! (tranforms Dojo into Smash Bros)

SP0RSK! TAKE IT!!!!!!!!!!


(GAF buys up Smash Bros)

sp0rsk: Lordsakurai, let's go together!

Anti-Smashbros: Nonsense! He quantum-divided himself and converted it to raw win!?

sp0rsk: Take this!!!

Anti-Smashbros: I WON'T LET YOU!!!

Why is it!? Where are you getting all this power!?

sp0rsk: We're posting more with every passing minute! With each new post and thread, we move forward a little bit! That's NeoGAF!

Anti-Smashbros: That is the path towards spam! The Smash Bros fan's limit! Why can't you realize that!?

sp0rsk: That's YOUR limit! In this board full of turmoil, you act like a king and lock other topics, and that is YOUR limit!

Jiggy37: That's right! There was someone much, much, bigger among Smash fans! For his sake too, we will move forward!

Dojo thread: This spirit is infinite! I've also bet on that greatness!

sp0rsk: Remember this well. This boards tears holes through the Internet. Those tubes will become a path for those that will follow us. The wishes of the banned and the hopes of the juniors who follow... with those two thoughts, with 20 threads in, we'll carve the path to tomorrow! That is Super Smash Bros. That is Neo Gaming Age. This thread is the thread that pierces the heavens!

Firestorm: SP0RSK-U! GOOOOOOOO!

sp0sk: GAFFAN! IMPACTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!







~Many Years Later~

Junior: I can't post my thread, mister.

???: You're posting too hard. Do it more slowly.

Junior: Wow, you're amazing!

???: Of course! Who the hell do you think I-

...yeah, I guess I'm just this guy, you know?

Junior: Wow! Super Smash Bros. 4 announced! And a website!

???: Ah, you're right.

Junior: Can I post a thread about SSB updates someday?

sp0rsk: Of course. All of the lights on the screen are threads.

Crushed: BOO-WAH! (licks)

sp0rsk: That's right. They're the threads where our Smasher friends are waiting.


Post 63477 - I'm defeating your purpose now, though.
crowphoenix said:
:lol Crushed, I don't know what the hell you just said, but I agree.

It seems fitting for the thread to end this way. We made this big sappy gathering of post and collective good byes, well written and orderly. But that's not us. We were ordered chaos. And these last few pages illustrate that nicely. We go out as we were. Lunatics that love our dojo.

Dojogann is quantumly dividing!

Post 63500 – Because we couldn’t go out without yet another milestone.
JSnake said:
63500 get


Post 63531 - SpacePirate Ridley's final contributions.

SpacePirate Ridley said:
Never so appropriate:
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Sorry, didnt have photoshop in this computer right now XD

And a present from me for so an awesome thread
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Post 63517, Post 63520, Post 63521, Post 63522, Post 63524, Post 63526, Post 63530, Post 63532, Post 63537, Post 63538, and Post 63536 (correct post order) - Because we couldn't go out without one final and completely frivolous debate. [More like because I can’t go out without quoting myself just a few more times like the self-centered person I am? :D]
Jiggy37 said:
Crushed said:
I could point out that Jiggy37's statkeeping never in any way provided any useful or practical value whatsoever
I know. That's the most fantastic thing about it. :D And a sizable majority of posts in the whole thread, really. If I ever need to ignore serious bizness and concentrate on the nonsensical, I know who to reach.
Keru_Shiri said:
It brought us Elizabethan DK.

'nuff said.
VeritasVierge said:
And made some of us wonder if Jiggy is a really girl.
Iam Canadian said:
But Crushed doesn't think Elizabethan DK is funny.

Like I said...he has no soul.
Jiggy37 said:
Actually, the "Jiggy is a girl" thing came from a discussion in IRC where Relix was asking a certain person in there if he was a girl. He was asking because he (Relix) had told his sister, who sometimes plays Smash online with him, that the other person was a girl, and in the chat defended it by saying that the name sounded feminine because it ended in an A. (Days later I would go back in to satirize this, saying that Relix was vindicated after Dragona had been posting around in some threads by saying that people should have been able to recognize her and Aeana as female because their names ended in an A, but that's getting ahead of myself.) For like ten minutes Relix was trying to get that person to say if they were male or female. :p

So, as we were testing the "name ends in A = female" theory, I tossed "Jiggya" out there, which everyone agreed sounded like a guy's name. I said it sounded more like a guy's name than "Jiggy," to which OliveJuice said "Jiggy a girl confirmed? :eek:" and then we went from there. It was actually a brief tangent before we got back on the topic of that other person. Eventually slayn came in and was all "Why is everyone suddenly harassing [person they were harassing]?" or something to that effect. <_<
VeritasVierge said:
Yup but then after a few of those wacky updates, I couldn't help but wonder if Relix was onto something. :lol
Jiggy37 said:
I will say, in full disclosure and truth and because I like promoting chaos and ambiguity, I do often shave my legs when it's not winter.
I can't ruin the thread when it's about to die anyway, right? <_<
Iam Canadian said:
I...I really could have lived the rest of my life without knowing that. >_<
VeritasVierge said:
Jiggy, that's hot!
Iam Canadian said:
Jiggy37 said:
I don't want to let Crushed be the only one around here who warps people's minds.


Post 63552 – Being in the last moments doesn’t prevent genius.
PBAlfredo said:
A tribute to my favorite Sakurai-ism of the Dojo

Flat Zone 2 Music Update said:
It reminds me of being in some underground bar, sitting next to an overdressed man who is wafting his cigarette smoke through the air, the pinched corners of his mouth evidence enough that he is plotting something full of intrigue.
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Post 63588 - MrCheez as we're on the verge of closing.
MrCheez said:
Haunted One said:
Everything that needed to be done. Lock and archive the biggest thread GAF has ever seen.
Gonna have to agree with this... I think everything we wanted to do before the end of this thread has now been accomplished.

We had our sentimental and formal goodbyes, the Quote Hunt extravaganza, Jiggy's stats and closing comments, Crushed epic screenshot post, then our last round of classic Dojo thread zaniness in the form of reciting Star Fox64 lines and posting various other lol-worthy links and pictures. :) And we even surpassed 63,500 posts!

One last time: Goodbye Dojo thread, and thanks to everyone for all the fun and camaraderie that was provided over the last 11 months!!

Post 63598 – And so goes the thread.
sp0rsk said:
Halo Sucks.
 

Jiggy

Member
“I don’t think I can take any large-scale work for a while, so I doubt I’ll suddenly become director on some grandiose project.” -Sakurai

The year: 2003. The publication: Nintendo Dream. The scenario: Masahiro Sakurai has recently left HAL Laboratories.

But he did indeed become director on a grandiose project, and it was indeed sudden. To see more on this, you can read an interview on how Smash came to be—which is a fascinating read in its own right. For now, though, let me stick to that Nintendo Dream article, which hosted insights into Sakurai’s thoughts on gaming as a whole.
The game industry is in big trouble, don't you think? Not a lot of people can survive off game sales these days, and the possibilities that games have to offer are growing smaller and smaller, I think. If games were able to receive a certain amount of support--if people had fun with them, if they sold well--then we should be seeing more innovative, more positive games come out one after the other. But that's not the future I'm seeing right now. The risks are so big that misfiring with one title can flatten an entire company.

That's why you see places trying to stay alive by putting out tons of budget titles and re-releases. Every game company, no matter who they are, is desperate right now. So one possibility is that people will say 'I can't live off this anymore' and leave the game industry in droves. […]
"If I want to keep producing games as a business, then staying at HAL would be a more stable place to do that. […]

But I don't care about that sort of stability. Right now I'm far more concerned about the fact that the game industry, which is built from the balance between developers, publishers, and users, is beginning to fall apart at the seams. I think it's possible for me, as a developer, to have people think about this problem through the development work I do. If I stay in one spot, then I can only communicate this to a limited number of people around the company, but if I can go out and reach more people… I think there are lots of people with far greater abilities than myself out there in the world. I mean, I'm entirely focused on games and I really can't do all that much myself, but if I can get in touch with people that have other great talents, then I think that will set off a chemical reaction and in the end we'll have a chance to make new games and better things. People with these talents might be at a loss at what games to make, and perhaps I can help make up for that in exchange for lending me their talent.
Seeing how and why Sakurai left HAL, meaning to reach a broad range of people through his development work, one might think he had to go back on his intentions in order to come back for Super Smash Bros. Brawl--for the large-scale, grandiose project that he didn’t believe he could take. He was wrong about his future in at least that much, and so it’s possible that he could have been wrong, as well, about being able to communicate some problems with the industry. But I believe it may be that he achieved his goal in an unexpected, perhaps even unintentional manner: not through Brawl itself, per se, but through the Dojo. Looking further into the interview for a moment, he had the following to say:

If one game sells 40,000 copies and another one sells 20,000 copies, then one sold twice as much as another, right? But if you work for a company, this isn't reflected much in your salary. No matter if your game sells or not, you'll get money deposited in the bank every month on the month, so sometimes you see cases where developers get indifferent towards money and lose the feeling that they're really earning what they make. On the other hand, gamers take money out of their wallets and use it to buy your game. This difference is making gamers and developers drift farther and farther away from each other.

I talked with different people from around the industry about this, and it always seemed like the people who understood what gamers want the most are the guys in sales or the guys working in the stores. But isn't that messed up? It's completely messed up that the people actually making the games are the farthest away from what gamers want. I want to do something about that. I'm not saying I want to change the game industry or anything huge like that, but I just want to do something.
At least one thing can be seen openly: that among Sakurai’s greatest concerns is the question of whether developers understand gamers. And whether it was Melee in 2001 or Brawl in 2008—respectively, long before and long after leaving HAL—he’s taken steps with his own projects to avoid that pitfall of ignoring gamers’ wishes. Many characters and franchises who made it into the Smash Bros. series only did so by fan request; from the beginning, he had held polls and asked for input from the gamer population. With Brawl specifically, the same is true of its song selection, which would end up totaling 287. In some instances, Sakurai would even go on to seek fan opinion after the fact: one notable example was a poll about which newcomer revealed in the E3 2006 trailer was most appreciated.

But understanding is a street, not a river: it travels in two directions. Can most gamers sympathize with developers? Although the answer is still—admittedly—probably not, I believe that the Dojo may have advanced this understanding and sympathy further than nearly any selection of fifty interviews before it could.

Often gamers are inclined to criticize a game for missing this feature or that feature, but when I consider the reactions offered time and again to the Dojo’s updates, this was virtually never the case. Instead the opposite held true: many people would say “What else can they possibly add to Super Smash Bros. Brawl?” and mean that in sincerity.

And many of those people would not be saying so only once.

It may not be difficult to understand why, for this one game, people developed an extra level of sympathy for the designers. Through these daily updates, these perpetual daily updates, we who are not in the game development field perhaps felt a very little bit of what it was like. One could read about Standard Combos in under thirty seconds, or with a bit more time one could read about the Stage Builder. But whether major or minor, every last facet of the game could only be created with the passion and hard work of multiple programmers, or graphics artists, or composers, or even the people who located the art to be used for stickers and trophies. And for that reason every last facet of the game well deserved its own spotlight. If we as gamers could see, in the most literal of ways, that even handicaps and color changes, that even the physics of a crate commanded as much development attention as any other part of the game—if we could see that no part of Brawl could be done without care—then the Dojo was not created in vain. You might consider each Dojo update a small testimony to some of the many people who helped create this Smash Bros. game: a way of saying “They were here; they did their jobs; and they did them as best they could.” In dedication to this game, we in the thread stayed up long nights, and every night; but also in dedication to this game, the developers in their office worked longer days, and every day. Never forget.



Allow me to speak about Brawl itself for a moment—for, although it might have seemed otherwise at times, the Smash Bros. Dojo wasn’t created solely with the intention that we’d all sit about with endlessly dropped jaws, gaping in awe at a level of content which Sakurai himself considers to be “overboard”; it was created, as well, to promote a game.

And more than that, really. It’s easy to say that Smash Bros. is a love letter to all of gaming and call that a joke, but it’s easier still to say that Smash Bros. is a love letter to gaming and call that the truth. Toward the end of the article about how Brawl came to be, Sakurai said that “more than anything, this Smash Bros. will be a game that we make while paying thanks to all the people who made so many different games and to all the fans who have supported them. And we must pay respect to the original games while doing so.” This he has achieved, and more than this: for here is a single disc in which the full history of the industry is uplifted.

To be clear: when I speak about the “history of the industry,” I’m not referring to characters nor even franchises. (And I couldn’t possibly be referring to that, because not every game character nor every game franchise is represented in Brawl.) After all, characters and franchises on their own have never been the driving force of the industry; rather, it was our experiences with those characters and franchises, or in other words the gameplay, that brought each of us back and made us believers. And in Smash Bros., gameplay is celebrated.

Do I need to elaborate on how and why this is true? Likely not. But nonetheless I choose to explain further, because I must—because Sakurai and because the whole of the Smash Bros. development team chose to push themselves further every day they worked on this game, and deserve no less.

Suppose a person is seeking to experience the full range of the game. She would have to play competitive multiplayer, but also cooperative multiplayer; she would play single-player as well. Smash Bros. Brawl itself is a modern game, but in Masterpieces she would play the past of gaming. She would play an action game in Subspace Emissary, a fighting game in the multiplayer, an arcade game in the Coin Launcher and, to an extent, in the credits. She would arrange her Stickers and optimize her characters’ stats. She would play time-based and score-based minigames: Target Smash, Home-Run Contest, the Multi-Man Brawls, and Boss Battles. She would play multiplayer with two players, with three, with four; she would play under the standard rules of Time and Stock, and the non-standard of Coin. She would play under each permutation of Special Brawl. She would tweak her settings of items and damage ratio. All of this is very goal-oriented, but she would also play a more free-form version of gaming: watching matches in Spectator and placing bets, or taking snapshots of her stickers and trophies, or setting up amusing snapshots in matches.

Here we have competitive multiplayer; there we have co-operative multiplayer; here we have single-player. Here we have new; there we have retro; here we have minigames. And each of these elements were highlighted extensively on the Dojo, treated as equals in deserving attention, nothing to be overlooked. Because of this, Sakurai’s profound admiration of and respect for the industry he loves became ever clearer as we saw these features take shape through the daily log that he started. To kindle and revitalize the creative developer spirit behind all forms of gameplay philosophy, and to honor the spirit of each, a game alone may not have sufficed—not even Brawl. Any feature can be easily overlooked after it’s been experienced. Someone needed to break gaming down piece by piece, in demonstration, saying in essence, “Here’s an idea worth exploring, and here’s another, and a third, and a fourth, and all of them are as vital today as they ever have been or ever will be. Overlook nothing.”

And so if we can fairly assume, from reading his own interviews, that Sakurai always wanted to promote gaming in its fullest, in every form, communicating with the broadest of audiences, and if we consider that at its peak the Dojo had over seven million visitors in a single week, only one thing remains to be said:

Mission complete, Cherry-don. Congratulations—and thank you, for everything.
 
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