Fuz
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That.shut it tim ya moron.
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Tim Sweeney: Epic Games Store is making the industry better but “gamers don't see that”
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kraspkibble
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Shifty
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the precious revenues, we will havesy them. yes.
ultrazilla
Member
All Steam has to do is something like this: All devs/publishers: 1st 6 months of release we take NO CUT. After 6 months we take 10%.
I mean, Gaben just has to play around with the percentage Steam is taking(30% is fucking nuts). He has to change the cut here. I'd
go as far to say he matches what Epic is doing with percentage/take or go lower.
Whatever he does, he needs to do it fast. Oh and a little game called Half Life 3 would really benefit Steam.
I mean, Gaben just has to play around with the percentage Steam is taking(30% is fucking nuts). He has to change the cut here. I'd
go as far to say he matches what Epic is doing with percentage/take or go lower.
Whatever he does, he needs to do it fast. Oh and a little game called Half Life 3 would really benefit Steam.
Kadayi
Banned
Epic is not only offering 12%, (or mere 5% for those titles using Unreal Engine) but they are money hatting developers for a 12-month exclusivity window and guaranteeing them a projected sales figure over that period regardless of actual sales because they are making a killing in Fortnite Money. Even if Valve matched them on the 12%, they're still not going to win out, because they can't match them on the moneyhatting.
kraspkibble
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Valve could shut Epic down real fast but that's the thing with with Valve...they take forever to do anything.All Steam has to do is something like this: All devs/publishers: 1st 6 months of release we take NO CUT. After 6 months we take 10%.
I mean, Gaben just has to play around with the percentage Steam is taking(30% is fucking nuts). He has to change the cut here. I'd
go as far to say he matches what Epic is doing with percentage/take or go lower.
Whatever he does, he needs to do it fast. Oh and a little game called Half Life 3 would really benefit Steam.
Kadayi
Banned
Half-Life was a big game back in the day, but the idea that the franchise has Fortnite killing legs is wishful thinking at this juncture. The actual sales figures on it are pretty modest by today's standards and albeit it holds a place of affection in many peoples hearts (and frustration at Valve for leaving HL2: EP3 in Limbo these many years), gaming as a medium has largely moved on from that style of linear experience. Even at the time of HL2, some of Valves decisions regarding the Source Engine were looking decidedly antiquated versus other more robust ventures when it came to things like level sizes etc (..loading....). The fact of the matter is they're not the top tier development studio they once were, and in large part, I think that's a result of the studio not being hungry enough because of the cash surplus pouring in from Steam.
The smart move would have been to roll Steam off as it's own venture years ago with a team dedicated towards the management and maintenance of it as an ongoing concern, possibly even become a publisher in its own right, and letting Valve the Studio live or die based solely off of the success of its own output.
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DeleteriousObnoxious
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Come back to me Tim when i can import all the games i own on steam and gog to my epic account, then we can talk and screw epic if they causes valve to go bankrupt and close their service, because of this 'competition'
lukilladog
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I want to see his face if Google starts outbidding him for exclusives.
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CyRuZ
Banned
Expect an 180 and complains about how exclusivity kills the pc gaming industry. Dude's a straight hypocrite nowadays.
SkinnerSw33t
Member
I actually want to root for the Epic store, but I'd also like to (figuratively) punch Tim Sweeney in the face.
Kadayi
Banned
Are any Programmers able to verify this? I don't doubt it might well be the case, but it's not my wheelhouse, so some due diligence is in order.
Given how much of a Creeper he looks like, I wouldn't be surprised if he paid you good money for that.
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Allnamestakenlol
Member
And yet, Tim, if your prospective customers "don't see it," then maybe you should be reevaluating the way your going about things?
sertopico
Member
Here is the full story, you can get yourself an idea, personally I think it's reliable:
Sweeney basically admitted it was there like, "We got caught, we are going to get rid of it now!":
Tim Sweeney said:
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I see it. I dont see any connection that pc game means steam game or gog game. They can release it where they want. Choose game for game for what game is not where its released.
If steam would stop existing i wouldnt even notice . same with fb or twitter or anything else that is waste of time.
If steam would stop existing i wouldnt even notice . same with fb or twitter or anything else that is waste of time.
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brian0057
Member
It's hypocrisy. Simple as that.
You can show a man getting torn to shreds in the most detailed and cinematic way possible (Dead Space), you can depict mass murder of unspeakable levels (Spec Ops: The Line), you can even choose to kill hundreds of people as the player (almost any game) but the moment something resembling anything that might be construed as sexual, be it consensual or not, is shown on screen, it's suddenly just under Joseph Mengele and above kicking a puppy on the scale of public derision.
But apparently boobs and rape are somehow worse than murder, torture, dismemberment, and setting people on fire.
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overlordror
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Pretty sure Epic using its Fortnite money to create a storefront is all about collecting data. Valve isn't going to do anything with all their data beyond trying to improve their storefront. But what guarantee is there that Tencent won't have access to the data gathered by the Epic storefront? I'm not trying to sound all tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, but I am always highly skeptical of companies that are accepting of the involvement of Tencent.
DeepEnigma
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Bonfires Down
Member
He’s right. Gamers are short-sighted.
CuNi
Member
I'm glad we're having so many epic related threads lately. Gives me the chance to go into every last one of them and shit on epic. They went from a company that I very much respected for kinda open sourcing their engine etc. to a company that actively trys every possible way to please the industry at the expense of gamers while at the same time talking to news outlets how they are the victims of misunderstood gamers while they try to usher a new golden age for man upon us. I swear I wish we had the old days back where gaming journalism was more about the games so that they would shit all over epic and report objectively on current issues like data breaches etc instead of them downplaying them for relations with epic.
The day that they stop acquiring exclusives and allow all games to be on Steam as well will be the day I will consider giving their store a glance, but until then I will go out of my way to not touch that thing like it would be radioactive material directly from a reactor core of Tschernobyl.
The day that they stop acquiring exclusives and allow all games to be on Steam as well will be the day I will consider giving their store a glance, but until then I will go out of my way to not touch that thing like it would be radioactive material directly from a reactor core of Tschernobyl.
Plague Doctor
Member
Yes, gamers don't see that:
Apologists saying, "It's just another free launcher. It's no big deal. It's good for the consumers!" are like...
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NiiloPielinen
Member
Anime dramatization:
*Cloud of dust settles and Gaben emerges unharmed*
Gaben: Not bad, kid, you made me use like 10% of my power
Sweeney: ... nani?!
*Gaben teleports behind him*: nothing personnel, kid
Plague Doctor
Member
Also... check this out.
If the developer has a publisher, the exclusivity payout and the increased revenue from Epic goes to the publisher not the developer. So in many, many, many recent cases, this is totally at the benefit of the Publishers.
If the developer has a publisher, the exclusivity payout and the increased revenue from Epic goes to the publisher not the developer. So in many, many, many recent cases, this is totally at the benefit of the Publishers.
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
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Chill out, and don't abuse font sizes.
TIM SWEENEY CAN SUCK MY WEENIE.
IbizaPocholo
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Ballthyrm
Member
It is quite simple.
Either he is right and the epic games store will win out long term
or he is wrong and the epic games store going to fail.
The devs make the games, players are secondary and the platform is last.
If devs survive better on Epic game store, then they will stay there.
Player won't have any choice but to move.
The whole equation with the platforms is how many devs can survive there.
The platform fight is stupid, i just want good games and i'll buy them where they are.
Google client are the advertisers.
Epic game store clients are the devs.
Gamers just don't want to accept that they are not the center of the world.
Either he is right and the epic games store will win out long term
or he is wrong and the epic games store going to fail.
The devs make the games, players are secondary and the platform is last.
If devs survive better on Epic game store, then they will stay there.
Player won't have any choice but to move.
The whole equation with the platforms is how many devs can survive there.
The platform fight is stupid, i just want good games and i'll buy them where they are.
Google client are the advertisers.
Epic game store clients are the devs.
Gamers just don't want to accept that they are not the center of the world.
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Goff2k
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Aren't the "exclusive" games coming out on Windows store as well? I already have Metro Exodus thanks to MS....
Tim can gloat all he wants but I'm still playing those "exclusives"...
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Isnt Metro Exodus 1 of 2 games that actually support Nvidia's RTX? Id say this is the reason its so popular, not because of the Epic store.
A lot of people bought those RTX cards, and if its one of the only games that can justify the crazy prices on those things, people gonna buy it.
A lot of people bought those RTX cards, and if its one of the only games that can justify the crazy prices on those things, people gonna buy it.
KeepersDome
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Kusanagi2086
Member
Yeah and Metros RTX is not even that good it reflects environments and that's it not that impressive.
Battlefield 5 is the only game truly has implemented it but I know hardly anyone who plays it online with RTX on because even with a 2080 rtx is a massive hit on frames.
Mochilador
Member
Competition is good. I wish them success in their store.
Jack Videogames
Member
"Tim Sweeney is making the industry better, says Tim Sweeney. Back to you Tim Sweeney!"
"Thanks Tim Sweeney! Next on GameNews "Why Tim Sweeney is a sexy beast."
"Thanks Tim Sweeney! Next on GameNews "Why Tim Sweeney is a sexy beast."
DynamiteCop!
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Redstarwater
Neophyte
He’s right. Gamers are pushovers, you can makes these idiots prepurchase anything, especially bad games (which most games are)
I hope Epic keeps disrupting this embarrassing industry. Fuck steam for zero innovation for the last decade except a “new” friends list interface. Coooooool!
I hope Epic keeps disrupting this embarrassing industry. Fuck steam for zero innovation for the last decade except a “new” friends list interface. Coooooool!
DynamiteCop!
Banned
What more do they need to innovate? They've been ahead of everyone at every step.
Did they not innovate cloud saving? Did they not innovate the ideal model for account security? Did they not innovate game sharing? Did they not innovate the most ideal model for user names? Did they not innovate the best market and trading platform? Did they not innovate the most comprehensive forum and community system? Did they not innovate the most stylized and unique profile system? Did they not innovate the best mod sharing and workshop? Did they not innovate the best refund and return policy? Did they not innovate ways for developers and publishers to self-publish and get their games out to the market?
I'm sorry but you don't have a clue what in the hell you're talking about.
Redstarwater
Neophyte
Half that list are bad things that ruin the industry.
I’ve been on steam since 2005, who the hell fills out their profile or has ever looked that their profile? Lol
People don’t completely ignore all those useless features? Oh look another trading card thing because I started a game... cool what’s the point of these? To “sell” it for two cents?
I can keep going. The cloud? No one should use or trust any cloud. Your information needs to stay yours, stop giving it to companies.
Never heard of game sharing despite using steam daily since 2005.
User names? Who gives a shit.
Go try finding a working mod for a Total War game. The workshop is the most unorganized search database in the history of the internet. Zero hyperbole needed. Seriously it makes finding mods not worth doing. Why do they even show up when they are for old versions of the game??
The last 5 comments of every mod is “UPDATE PLEASE” why the fuck is this mod appearing on the front page????
Forum and community system? People use this shit? lol why?
Steam is hot garbage, trust me I know, I only game on steam and have like 200 non-indie games (real games). Origin in worse though but that’s besides the point.
I can’t wait to see what Epic turns out to be.
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BunzLee
Member
I'm so done with Epic ever since they've decided to fuck me over with Fortnite, way before they've decided to go Battle Royale. The switch to BR was a huge FUCK YOU to everyone that has dropped cash on the OG Fortnite, and I was dumb enough to get one of the more expensive editions to play with my friends. Fuck them, fuck their Launcher and fuck Fortnite.
danielberg
Neophyte
Maybe in the short term... at best... to capture enough people and compete and fuck steam.. but i doubt throwing money into the mouth of tencent will have the long term effect i want for gaming lol
Handy Fake
Member
Misread the title as "The Sweeney" and am bitterly disappointed we're not getting a game version of the 1970s UK police show with John Thaw.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
*I'm going to purposely devalue a bunch of things people find valuable because you raised a better point than me*
That's what's happening here folks.