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Time Cube Redux: Space Moors, Freemasons, black means white, there was no slavery

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Eknots

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cobragt4001 said:
Really, what's so hard to understand about this point? Nationality and citizen are two different things but the former is simply based on your lineage. I can't birth a child in England and all of a sudden my child is English. Sure my child could get citizenship with the Government but that doesn't make England her or his nation.
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At what point do you determine someone is American? Once they've shit 50,000 times on US soil?
 
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vikki

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cobragt4001 said:
Really, what's so hard to understand about this point? Nationality and citizen are two different things but the former is simply based on your lineage. I can't birth a child in England and all of a sudden my child is English. Sure my child could get citizenship with the Government but that doesn't make England her or his nation.
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Sure, you can't birth a child in England and then claim to be a descendant of England, but if living and growing and understanding English culture better than your ancestry then you'd probably consider yourself English.
 
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ConfusingJazz

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The OP is arguing for jus sanguinis, right of the blood, as the only deciding point in nationality. Jus Soli, or right of the soil, is another way to decide nationality, and the OP claims is invalid.

Here is a map of those that factor in jus soli to decide nationality (Dark blue is no restriction, light blue is some restrictions)

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You can see a pattern emerging.

cobragt4001 said:
Words and their meanings don't change.
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Yeah they do.
 
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wsoxfan1214

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Are we all just going to ignore the giant block of conspiracy he posted halfway down the page alleging the US isn't "free" or some shit like that?

I'd love to see you expand on this instead of just dropping some quote from a representative and then moving on, OP.
 
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Hypron

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I don't get what the heck the OP is on about. Countries have got nationality laws. If you meet them, you have the nationality of that country, which comes with its own rights and obligations. Nothing else matters.
 
Arkos

Arkos

Nose how to spell and rede to
ConfusingJazz said:
The OP is arguing for jus sanguinis, right of the blood, as the only deciding point in nationality. Jus Soli, or right of the soil, is another way to decide nationality, and the OP claims is invalid.

Here is a map of those that factor in jus soli to decide nationality (Dark blue is no restriction, light blue is some restrictions)
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Can you put that in English lol. Do you mean the blue countries decide nationality based on whether you are a citizen/live there and the others go more by birth place?
 
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BlastProcessing

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cobragt4001 said:
The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: "The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States?’
http://www.afn.org/~govern/bankruptcy.html

Come again?
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I shall translate this post to into the language of the great American passtime:

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vikki

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wsoxfan1214 said:
Are we all just going to ignore the giant block of conspiracy he posted halfway down the page alleging the US isn't "free" or some shit like that?

I'd love to see you expand on this instead of just dropping some quote from a representative and then moving on, OP.
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I don't want to touch that
 
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daydream

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WTF

I have no family ties with, nor have I ever laid foot on the US of A, but I'll call myself American today just for the fun of it. Just to spite you, OP.
 
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wsoxfan1214

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Arkos said:
Can you put that in English lol. Do you mean the blue countries decide nationality based on whether you are a citizen/live there and the others go more by birth place?
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JS is citizenship by ancestory/"blood". The other is whether you were born on their soil.
 
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cobragt4001

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vikki said:
Sure, you can't birth a child in England and then claim to be a descendant of England, but if living and growing and understanding English culture better than your ancestry then you'd probably consider yourself English.
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I respectfully disagree.
 
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Hypron

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Arkos said:
Can you put that in English lol. Do you mean the blue countries decide nationality based on whether you are a citizen/live there and the others go more by birth place?
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Let's take France as an example since it recognizes both (with some limitations and requirements though):
"Right of blood"/ "Jus sanguinis" = your parents were French
"Right of soil"/ "Jus soli" = your were born in France
 
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The Librarian

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cobragt4001 said:
In a older thread I made a comment on how Europeans born in America aren't Americans, they are what their parents lineage is so if your ancestors are Irish or English and you were born here in America, you're Irish or English who so happens to have US citizenship. The US is a corporate entity, not a country, which occupies a portion of North America. America denotes a continent, not country, so why do we ignorantly accept America as the particular landmass the US occupies?

Nation:
c.1300, from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci; see genus). Political sense has gradually predominated, but earliest English examples inclined toward the racial meaning "large group of people with common ancestry." Older sense preserved in application to North American Indian peoples (1640s). Nation-building first attested 1907 (implied in nation-builder).
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=n&p=2

Your nationality isn't based on where you're born but your pedigree, lineage and descent. If a English couple birth a child in Japan, is that child Japanese? No, the child is what his or her parents are but he or she can gain citizenship, basically a contract with the Government, with the Japanese Government, but doesn't mean he or she is all of a sudden Japanese because her or his lineage and descent is English, not Japanese.

American:
A native of America; originally applied to the aboriginals, or copper-colored races, found here by the Europeans; but now applied to the descendants of Europeans born in America.
http://machaut.uchicago.edu/?resource=Webster%27s&word=American&use1828=on

Notice how it says originally, what's original is the basis of learning the true meaning of words. Connotation has no place in the origin of a word's meaning and sadly enough, our language and understanding is based on connotative understanding which suppresses the culture.

Jus sanguinis is what determines one's Nation state or nationality, not where they're born.
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you cray cray
 
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cobragt4001

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ConfusingJazz said:
The OP is arguing for jus sanguinis, right of the blood, as the only deciding point in nationality. Jus Soli, or right of the soil, is another way to decide nationality, and the OP claims is invalid.

Here is a map of those that factor in jus soli to decide nationality (Dark blue is no restriction, light blue is some restrictions)

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You can see a pattern emerging.



Yeah they do.
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US citizens, pretty much anyone can become a citizen of the United States but that still doesn't make them the people of the land, get it?
 
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ConfusingJazz

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Arkos said:
Can you put that in English lol. Do you mean the blue countries decide nationality based on whether you are a citizen/live there and the others go more by birth place?
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"Jus soli" means you earn citizenship by being born in a location. If you were born in New York to a British man and a Japanese woman, you would be an American citizen.

"Jus sanguinis" means you earn citizenship through your parents. If you were born in Paris to American parents, you would be an American citizen.
 
Arkos

Arkos

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wsoxfan1214 said:
JS is citizenship by ancestory/"blood". The other is whether you were born on their soil.
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Hypron said:
Let's take France as an example since it recognizes both (with some limitations and requirements though):
"Right of blood"/ "Jus sanguinis" = your parents were French
"Right of soil"/ "Jus soli" = your were born in France
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^ Okay thank you, I see.
 
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Gobias

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So, like a hundred years ago, some of my great grandparents came over from Germany. That makes me German? What about the fact that their ancestors came from some other country? Do we have to trace our lineage back to the beginning of time to figure out what nationality I actually am?

Edit: Like, why the fuck does it even matter anyways, lol?
 
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Enduin

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cobragt4001 said:
Oh, you believe your people were brought to America, ok but that's another discussion I can do.
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Ohh wow, so they actually won an all expense paid cruise trip to the Americas by the Dutch, was it like raffle or more of gameshow type situation where they played games like "who can get these shackles on the fastest?" I guess they didn't read the fine print about it being one way though. That is so crazy, I'm glad you brought this to my attention. They should make a movie about that. I'd totally watch it.
 
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figadapaura

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Gobias said:
So, like a hundred years ago, some of my great grandparents came over from Germany. That makes me German? What about the fact that their ancestors came from some other country? Do we have to trace our lineage back to the beginning of time to figure out what nationality I actually am?
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Yeah, we should all just call ourselves African. I don't see any problem with that, /s
 
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