figadapaura
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People will really believe what they want to believe, won't they?
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Time Cube Redux: Space Moors, Freemasons, black means white, there was no slavery
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People will really believe what they want to believe, won't they?
Where are their Conduits?
CornBurrito
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I'm screaming with confusion as to how a person like this can exist and function in real life.
I am certain one of the words I used in that sentence is used differently than how it was used in Old English or Latin. Imagine having to scan every word. Can't describe anything as "nice" because that definition changed. Can't use curse words like "fucking" as an adjective. Except the OP does do that...
Homonyms are words with the same spelling and pronunciation. Naga, Negus, and Nigger do not share the same spelling or pronunciation. Nor do they share an etymological root.
I am certain one of the words I used in that sentence is used differently than how it was used in Old English or Latin. Imagine having to scan every word. Can't describe anything as "nice" because that definition changed. Can't use curse words like "fucking" as an adjective. Except the OP does do that...
Homonyms are words with the same spelling and pronunciation. Naga, Negus, and Nigger do not share the same spelling or pronunciation. Nor do they share an etymological root.
ConfusingJazz
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Crazy finds a way.
cobragt4001
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Has plenty to do with the topic, American through etymological origins are opposite of what people today use as, that's the topic.
……forgetit
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Well, this has been an insane thread of twists and t y end, can't wait for mandrake to summarize
Craziness beats cognitive dissonance every time.
figadapaura
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Look up what a homonym is before using that word again, please.
YesNOnoNOYes
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basically what does anything mean ever. also words are apparently locked in. and there is no spoon. I mean, there is no America. Only continents. Which may or may not exist. Considering the tectonic movements.
And so on.
We need the Mandrake ;__;
How can a term like "American" be opposite to anything, other than perhaos "Anti-American"? Not all words have opposites.
means snake in SANSKRIT. CornBurrito
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No. What people are telling you is that the first definition of the word isn't magic. Changes in how a word is used aren't illegitimate. Dictionary writers also aren't agents of god or some divine language being.
Fuck this thread. I have to go to bed but if I do this thread will be like 100 pages by the time I wake up and each page will be worth wading through and I dont have time.
WyndhamPrice
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You're missing the point in that our culture doesn't care because we've decided to use it the current way, so your wondering about why we don't use the word the way it was "originally" used is a pointless endeavor
figadapaura
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Bank of America
Did you even read the thread? What about that guy finding your HR 1303 or what ever?
OP, do you recognize the various ways in which your "knowledge" of language is wrong? You've used a number of incorrect terms, misapplied concepts, and display extreme resistance to recognizing how meaning operates.
cobragt4001
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I meant homophones.
EmCeeGramr
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The N word comes from niger/nigrum, the Latin word for black or dark. It has nothing to do with cave men. "Troglodyte niger" is not a scientific term. "Cave men" is not a scientific term either, since it can mean dozens of different things. The use of the N word as a pejorative predates the very idea of "cave men."
CornBurrito
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It isn't just our culture. The only time a language remains static is when it dies or is dying and has no (or extremely few) living speakers. Words have and always will change. And that's fine. Nothing is inherently magical or sacred about the original definition.
Except they aren't pronounced the same. And even if they were that doesn't make them related.
Necromanti
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In what language are those words homophones?
Wheels within wheels
figadapaura
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Look up that word, too.
Sho_Nuff82
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Mini-summary/response to OP:
Post #1: Taken to its logical conclusion, we are all Africans. That's fucking useless. If someone has more than two countries of recent origin (due to very mixed parentage), that system is just a waste of words (as pointed out by Drambit in post 23). The current system saying someone is *insert country of birth, COMMA country of recent descent* is more informative.
Your source in post #25 is a fabrication. It has been debunked by several posters. You should absorb this information and accept it. Do not continue to quote it. You must understand that quoting from a poor source reflects poorly on you and your perceived ability to parse information.
Post #52 is flat out wrong. Our dictionaries change every year. Popular use often overrules traditional use. Words get invented all the time to describe things that didn't exist 5 years ago. The only languages that don't change are dead ones.
Post #78. This is the kind of drive by post that requires more elaboration. If you have any piece of particularly compelling evidence, share it, don't smugly hand wave a line of questioning.
Post #102. You make a joke but no one is laughing because everyone disagrees with you. Why not provide a new argument, or strengthen the old? "I disagree" isn't an argument in and of itself.
Post #112. You would be a french citizen and part of the EU, that's not in question.
Post #128. The confusion is brought about by your refusal to elaborate on post #78. If you had no intention of explaining yourself, you should not have brought it up.
Post #142. You claim that etymology agrees with your statement that words and meaning don't change. This is refuted in posts #146 and #150 by a simple definition of etymology.
Post #145. You claim that your quote from post #25 is not proof of anything, it's just a quote, but in post #136 you claim that the quote was in response to a poster claiming that we had freedom. You cannot simultaneously hold both positions. More specifically, you cannot contradict a claim and then claim that you have not made a statement.
Post #166. The first refutation of your source in post #25.
Post #198: Side by side comparison of your quoted source vs the actual quote.
Post #202: What if the mother was of English descent, born in Paraguay, and moved to Brazil at the age of 5, then had the poster in question at the age of 35 in Brazil? Is the mother's nation England? Because her mother was born in India, but moved to England at the age of 5 and married an Iranian. And her mother was born in China, and moved to India at the age of 5, and married a Dutchman.
Post #204: Irrefutable evidence is posted that your post #25 is a fabrication.
Post #207: A real life example of the hypothetical I gave you re: 202
Post #211: You claim that changing a words meaning is a "lie". Who makes these rules?
Post #229: Your first salient point of the thread. Let's see where this goes.
Post #245: Here is where we get to the meat of it. As mentioned in post #251 and #254, you believe that words have objective meanings.
Post #258: Freaky Fred points out that America is not a continent, N and S America are. You should probably scratch that joke from future use.
Post #264: You miss the point almost entirely. Continent designations are arbitrary labels given to land masses to make it easier to refer to them in conversation or in technical analysis, such as mapping. The continents as we know them didn't even exist several billion years ago. The words for them didn't exist more than a few thousand years ago. One day, if North America did split down the middle, we might have an East American and West American continent. We might have the same if had a civil war and the ruler of said country decided to name his land that, and put anyone who argued otherwise to death.
Post #285: Several simple examples are given of how language has changed.
Post #300: Ebay huckster banishes your link from post #25 to the Shadow Realm.
Post #318: Ebay kicks a dead horse.
Post #322: There is considerable DNA evidence concerning the nature of pre-American USA populations on this continent. There is very little mystery left.
Post #357: Nations are as arbitrary and transient a defining criteria as race though. What if you hail from a nation that no longer exists? What if your nation is made up of several races and tribes who have intermingled?
That's as far as I've gotten. And I dig further. ..
Post #1: Taken to its logical conclusion, we are all Africans. That's fucking useless. If someone has more than two countries of recent origin (due to very mixed parentage), that system is just a waste of words (as pointed out by Drambit in post 23). The current system saying someone is *insert country of birth, COMMA country of recent descent* is more informative.
Your source in post #25 is a fabrication. It has been debunked by several posters. You should absorb this information and accept it. Do not continue to quote it. You must understand that quoting from a poor source reflects poorly on you and your perceived ability to parse information.
Post #52 is flat out wrong. Our dictionaries change every year. Popular use often overrules traditional use. Words get invented all the time to describe things that didn't exist 5 years ago. The only languages that don't change are dead ones.
Post #78. This is the kind of drive by post that requires more elaboration. If you have any piece of particularly compelling evidence, share it, don't smugly hand wave a line of questioning.
Post #102. You make a joke but no one is laughing because everyone disagrees with you. Why not provide a new argument, or strengthen the old? "I disagree" isn't an argument in and of itself.
Post #112. You would be a french citizen and part of the EU, that's not in question.
Post #128. The confusion is brought about by your refusal to elaborate on post #78. If you had no intention of explaining yourself, you should not have brought it up.
Post #142. You claim that etymology agrees with your statement that words and meaning don't change. This is refuted in posts #146 and #150 by a simple definition of etymology.
Post #145. You claim that your quote from post #25 is not proof of anything, it's just a quote, but in post #136 you claim that the quote was in response to a poster claiming that we had freedom. You cannot simultaneously hold both positions. More specifically, you cannot contradict a claim and then claim that you have not made a statement.
Post #166. The first refutation of your source in post #25.
Post #198: Side by side comparison of your quoted source vs the actual quote.
Post #202: What if the mother was of English descent, born in Paraguay, and moved to Brazil at the age of 5, then had the poster in question at the age of 35 in Brazil? Is the mother's nation England? Because her mother was born in India, but moved to England at the age of 5 and married an Iranian. And her mother was born in China, and moved to India at the age of 5, and married a Dutchman.
Post #204: Irrefutable evidence is posted that your post #25 is a fabrication.
Post #207: A real life example of the hypothetical I gave you re: 202
Post #211: You claim that changing a words meaning is a "lie". Who makes these rules?
Post #229: Your first salient point of the thread. Let's see where this goes.
Post #245: Here is where we get to the meat of it. As mentioned in post #251 and #254, you believe that words have objective meanings.
Post #258: Freaky Fred points out that America is not a continent, N and S America are. You should probably scratch that joke from future use.
Post #264: You miss the point almost entirely. Continent designations are arbitrary labels given to land masses to make it easier to refer to them in conversation or in technical analysis, such as mapping. The continents as we know them didn't even exist several billion years ago. The words for them didn't exist more than a few thousand years ago. One day, if North America did split down the middle, we might have an East American and West American continent. We might have the same if had a civil war and the ruler of said country decided to name his land that, and put anyone who argued otherwise to death.
Post #285: Several simple examples are given of how language has changed.
Post #300: Ebay huckster banishes your link from post #25 to the Shadow Realm.
Post #318: Ebay kicks a dead horse.
Post #322: There is considerable DNA evidence concerning the nature of pre-
Post #357: Nations are as arbitrary and transient a defining criteria as race though. What if you hail from a nation that no longer exists? What if your nation is made up of several races and tribes who have intermingled?
That's as far as I've gotten. And I dig further. ..
cobragt4001
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Nope, flagrare is black in Latin and it means to be bright, try again.
block tower
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ok thanks for the previous posters for letting me know what this thread is about. I'll see myself out the door..
Mysterious
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Pls respond. I genuinely want to read your case here.
cobragt4001
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Words that sound like, the mod posed naga, negus and the n word which sound the same but are different.
Mr_Appleby
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So... we're all pangean?
EmCeeGramr
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Okay, so the only hits I found for "troglodyte niger" are some weird old woodcuts of apes from 1850 (long after the n word first appeared as a pejorative for African persons), and this enlightening PDF.
Necromanti
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Prove it.
Words like night and knight sound the same, not naga and negus.
CornBurrito
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Woah now, the word America and its demonyn of American didn't even exist until the region was assigned the name America after the name of an Italian explorer Amerigo Vespuci. I hardly see how delving into the etymology of the term America or American can possibly help your cause that people who identify as American are actually from somewhere else since it's a word made up specifically to describe people who live in America which itself is a made up word.
cobragt4001
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Those words are homophones, they sound similar but aren't the same.
EmCeeGramr
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Wait, so is flagrare black, or does it mean to be bright? You're saying two things in the same sentence.
Because I'm not wrong here: http://www.latin-dictionary.net/definition/27859/niger-nigra-nigrum
figadapaura
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What? What kind of accent do you have?
Holy crap. Good work.
cobragt4001
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Old English blæc "dark," from Proto-Germanic *blakaz "burned" (cognates: Old Norse blakkr "dark," Old High German blah "black," Swedish bläck "ink," Dutch blaken "to burn"), from PIE *bhleg- "to burn, gleam, shine, flash" (cognates: Greek phlegein "to burn, scorch," Latin flagrare "to blaze, glow, burn"), from root *bhel- (1) "to shine, flash, burn;" see bleach (v.).
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=black
Don't try and use connotative linguistics here.
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=black
Don't try and use connotative linguistics here.
CornBurrito
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But they are "homophones" from completely unrelated languages.
The English word "eye" sounds like the Japanese word "ai." "Ai" in Japanese translates roughly to "love."
Are you saying that the english word Ai and Japanese word "ai" are related because they sound alike?
Mysterious
Banned
But they aren't the same language. Not even close.
I'll take a crack at this. How about definition.
The Hell are you saying, stop posting nonsense that you can't back up
You still haven't responded to the fact that your congressional report was fake bullshit
Umm, setting aside the fact that they aren't homophones ...
Homophones don't necessarily have the same etymological origin. You're going to need actual proof that the N-word comes from naga or negus other than "they kinda sound the same"
cobra, if I may ask
what the fuck is your point?
like, where are you ultimately going with this?
stop beating around bullshit definitions and ridiculous etymological arguments
I want you to, in a single post, list out for me exactly who counts as "American", who doesn't count as American, and why you think it is important that you make this distinction for people who currently live in the United States of America.
If no one is actually "American", what do you think that means or should mean for people who live within the boundaries of the United States?
You seem to be going to a lot of trouble for reasons I can't identify. Why does it bother you that people are called "American?"
what the fuck is your point?
like, where are you ultimately going with this?
stop beating around bullshit definitions and ridiculous etymological arguments
I want you to, in a single post, list out for me exactly who counts as "American", who doesn't count as American, and why you think it is important that you make this distinction for people who currently live in the United States of America.
If no one is actually "American", what do you think that means or should mean for people who live within the boundaries of the United States?
You seem to be going to a lot of trouble for reasons I can't identify. Why does it bother you that people are called "American?"
Jesus H. W. Christ on a pogo stick.
The original Latin meaning is to burn, therefore, by your own logic, it's the only correct meaning.
cobragt4001
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I never said they were the same lol, I think you're confusing me with someone else. I simply said they have similar sounds but have different meanings.
That is not what homophone means. Please try again lol.
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