LordOfChaos
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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/i...h-amd-and-nvidia-on-graphics-chips-2018-06-12
Lots of interesting things coming together in 2020 it seems...
After that Crypto market, I suspect.
Is this a real gaming lineup though?
Competition would normally drive prices down. But knowing intel, the graphics cards will be expensive compared to Nvidia and AMD
If they price their GPU's like they price their CPU's that is.
I might be wrong about the whole thing.
We will have to see in 2020.
They can price their CPUs like that because they still have that last little bit of performance that puts them on top, that you have to pay disproportionately higher for.
To charge that for GPUs, they'd have to gain that lead over Nvidia, which would be an impressive feat for a first attempt to say the least. If it doesn't perform as much better and they try to charge Intel CPU margins for it, the market would price it out until they lowered prices accordingly. If it does perform, cool, we have a new top dog and Nvidia and AMD have to respond.
Can't go wrong as consumers the way I see it.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/i...h-amd-and-nvidia-on-graphics-chips-2018-06-12
Lots of interesting things coming together in 2020 it seems...
Interesting saying this is Intels first discrete GPU, but they already launched a discrete GPU when the AGP bus was launched in the 90s with i740 chip. Of course, this was before Nvidia coined the term 'GPU' with the GeForce 256. Still, the i740 was a discrete 3D accelerator.
Also, I'm glad that I wasn't the only person thinking that the next Xbox going with Intel would be a nice surprise. Considering ex-AMD architect leading the development, Intels IPs and fab expertise, this could be a great collaboration for a 2020 launch for both parties. Risky though, but Intel tend to have access to the best manufacturing nodes before anyone else, thereby giving them an advantage.
Intel tried it before with larrabee but that didn't release as a GPU. Will not hold my breath on this tbh l.
I hope this help with the competition... Nvidia is all alone and doing what they want...
Not really much reason to assume any similarity on the other hand.
Larrabee was a product of their x86 core or bust mentality with all the overhead that comes with x86 decode, times the number of cores. This isn't, and it's sounding like a new ground up GPU, but also that the current Gen integrated graphics are pretty good for their die area/power use, so they're already capable of making a modern GPU architecture. GPUs are all about scaling those base units up.
Hd630 is about 60mm2 approximately. Vega 11 is about 100mm2 approximately. Vega 11 is about 3x faster than hd630 when both APUs have the same TDP so even if intel were to scale it up it would be far slower than Vega at the same power use.
100mm2 is 2.77x the die area of 60mm2...The whole squared part...
100mm*100mm = 10,000
60mm*60mm=3600
Like I said, they at least have the building blocks for a dedicated GPU, with some further enhancements it could be competitive. Their biggest knock is driver support.
100mm2 is 2.77x the die area of 60mm2...The whole squared part...
100mm*100mm = 10,000
60mm*60mm=3600
Like I said, they at least have the building blocks for a dedicated GPU, with some further enhancements it could be competitive. Their biggest knock is driver support.
You do know there's a difference between 60mm^2 and (60mm)^2? You are using the latter, i.e. you're assuming it's a square that has a width and length of 60mm to calculate area. 60mm^2 is total area, i.e. already calculated... So it's only a 1.666 times bigger.
It feels like Intel could be the next IBM. They're having a heck of a time shrinking their CPUs, to where they're rumored to be losing Apple as a customer in the next 5 years. They are irrelevant in the mobile processor business, which is where all of the growth and new money is. Now they're announcing GPUs and it feels like they're just trying stuff out.
By "next IBM" I mean a tech company that feels like it'll always be in business and profitable, but are a shell of what they once were, to where a certain generation of people don't even know what they provide to the industry anymore.
Disclaimer: I don't follow this stuff closely
I said they were irrelevant in the mobile market, not that they were losing market share in laptops. The "mobile" market speaks to phones and tablets which is dominated by TSMC and Qualcomm and is seeing markedly larger growth than the stalling computer processor market.They're losing their mobile processor market share? I haven't seen a laptop in very long that sported a non intel processor
More competition is healthy. Kinda surprised it took them so long
I don't think so, it's way to volatile for strategic investment.After that Crypto market, I suspect.