Yep, if they can't release on PC, they didn't want to get bought.
A redundant question? Just because “big companies gonna be big companies” doesn’t mean I have to agree with it, or favor one big company over another.
Sony for the last 12 months: "We want this deal to be blocked by regulators."
Lulu: "Sony wants to block the deal."
Everyone:
Lol this is pathetic
I used to love that game. What was it called?Yeah, but they lack the polish.
I know people hate Fortnite/Pixar like graphics in games but seeing old games in that style is something I want to play.
Do you think it’s a coincidence that Xbox lost the COD and FIFA marketing deals in 2014? Was the Xbox One install base collapsed then?
First 30 million, now 20 million. A 10 million drop because I offered a simple counter estimate - predicating entirely sustained demand - tells me your numbers for Sony are grossly overestimated and you know it.
Less than 9 million is entirely plausible, but I'd argue not by much. Supply issues are expected to clear up in H2. Xbox have several titles confirmed to be launching this year, as well as some speculated titles in H2, lining up nicely with their supply chain clearing up. They're not console exclusives, but technically, Microsoft have sold 18.5m consoles thus far with zero console exclusives, so I'm not sure why that would change anything moving forward.
Microsoft will have USD$67b dollars ear marked for gaming investments if the deal doesn't clear. The cost will ultimately depend on the deal, won't it?
No one's suggesting Call of Duty will be withheld from Sony, except Sony. And now you. I said Activision has Sony's public statements as leverage in any negotiations moving forward - and ABK will use that leverage. If Call of Duty is literally the only thing keeping PlayStation is business - which we all know it isn't - then PlayStation exists because ABK allows it to. They have complete control. Of course, Sony's idea is entirely ridiculous - as every single person, including you, knows. But if they're trying to convince regulators the world over that Call of Duty is PlayStation, ABK will make them pay for it.
The only theme I struggle to understand is why Sony's blind proponents all persist with gaslighting.
20 million is the baseline estimate, he's adding an estimated 10m on top due to pent-up demand (basically all the people who weren't able to find one during chip shortages can now do it).
All of that discounts how many mistakes Sega and Nintendo made of their own. Eg rushing out the Saturn launch, pricing Saturn at $400, Nintendo sticking with cartridges so they could monopolise the production process and not decreasing royalties. Nintendo infamously backstabbing Sony at CES. Nintendo being 2 years late to the gen. Nintendo essentially telling Square to never come back after they decided to make a PS game.
This is an assumption, $67b for ABK doesn’t mean that much is available if the deal fails. ABK is a unique boon for Microsoft as a whole.
Sony's prior fiscal year forecast of 18m was a bullish estimate that they met with a damn strong showing. Pushing 20m before March 2024 seems entirely feasible. But 166% increase YOY due to pent-up demand? You'll need to explain that one.
Cute, but not quite gaslighting.
That's fair - it's absolutely an assumption. If the deal is blocked, and tribunal efforts fail, Microsoft will definitely need to re-group. Their aggressive investment strategy for Xbox formed a component of their foundational steps into the metaverse. That's not Xbox specific, that's a long-term strategic goal for Microsoft as a whole. I don't see that strategy changing because of ABK, so, I'd expect, at least, a sizeable chunk of the ear-marked cash diverted into other gaming investments to allow Xbox to meet Microsoft's long-term plans for it. Is that alternative large-scale acquisitions? I really don't know.
Who is going to tell him?
Shall we have a look at Xbox One in the US in 2015?
Who is going to tell him?
The pent up demand is fucking massive, in some market, they are doing like %300 increases vs same months last year.
It's the facts. These bodies are not law enforcement agencies.
Considering the investments into AI at Microsoft at the moment I wouldn’t be shocked to see more. Timed exclusives and gamepass deals aren’t as appealing as owning in perpetuity to shareholders I imagine.
Mainland Europe and Latin America were starved of PS5 supply. In Spain retailers were doing €800 bundles.
Disagree. There are tons of stupid analogies.Except in this analogy, the ones dragging their feet aren't even the owners of the house, they're just renting one room. The owners of the house are ready to sell.
And there's no stupid analogies, only stupid arguments. We're all just having a discussion, probably more-so than Sony/MS have had on the matter
You're expecting a valley/peak comparison in "some market" to indicate a sustainable level of global demand for at least the next six months at a minimum?
... a multiplatform game selling well, being one of the biggest games on steam before it even released, is proof that console adoption is speeding up? I actually think you're right - in that hardware sales are accelerating due to better supply - but I don't think this game alone is the one that proves it.
That goes without saying, however, forgoing all further investment into their Xbox platform, when they were just prepared to drop USD$70b into it, and effectively excluding it from their metaverse strategy entirely wouldn't be terribly appealing either. But, as I said - it's an assumption. Microsoft may see their USD$3b sunk cost as damage enough.
They will still invest in Xbox though just maybe not to the same massive scale. Buying Asobo, Creative Affinity and IOI for example is still investment.
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That's a good argument for the opposite though. Companies driven purely by profit from game sales have increasingly become focused on a smaller and smaller range of IP. Look at Activision that have become basically CoD the company. They have a lot of IP that could be profitable it just wouldn't be as profitable as having that team work on CoD. MS would have a much greater incentive to expand the range of games. Might not be beneficial to CoD but to gamers in general it would.
Probably the one that gave you 70 billion dollars…
Only 6 times?Sony listing instances where Microsoft has been taken to court or fined for making pre-purchase promises... And then breaking said promises... Should give everyone pause for thought.
That screenshot is technically less than 6, at least 3 of those is the same EC decision
Trust no-one is a safe philosophy in life.
again. MS will be the one losing DA money.
Missing the point is becoming your MO. Lowballing one means you need to lowball the other for a fair comparison. If you believe Sony's minimum is 20m - fair, given their 18m for the current fiscal year - then that's the fair estimate to compare to Xbox's lowball. Unless you're not interested in being fair - on which I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
Depends on the decrease for H1 and their improvement in H2, doesn't it?
Given Bethesda's history, yes, Starfield is significantly larger than all of those games. Game Pass impacts the platform - which is it's point: buy an Xbox for Game Pass. And diminishing demand is just you now throwing shit at a wall: if they have supply issues, how would you meaningfully differentiate? A 6% Q4 YOY decrease?
Cool, except for the part about Microsoft's long term strategic metaverse goals, of which ABK was a component, and Microsoft having close to double that cash value at hand. I see it pretty likely that Microsoft's plan for Xbox's place in its metaverse strategy continues - meaning it'll invest at least some of that money elsewhere. Nothing to date suggests otherwise.
You're largely just repeating yourself. So, I'll paint your corner for you: according to Sony, PlayStation exists because ABK allows them to. If you think Sony is wrong here, you must believe they have no regulatory grounds to block the deal. Alternatively, if you believe Sony are correct here, then you believe you're wrong. I'll let you pick your poison.
It's getting almost silly now.
Sony listing instances where Microsoft has been taken to court or fined for making pre-purchase promises... And then breaking said promises... Should give everyone pause for thought.
