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[Matt]

Not good, but apparently both games did really well in November on PSN.

Really well? In relative terms maybe, but it's almost impossible for a game to sell "really well" on Vita.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Bro!

Can someone please explain why half a million 3DS units sold is bad? Honest question.

Because it looks like the 3DS and DS are cannibalizing each other a bit, and combined they are nowhere (and I do mean nowhere) near the DS numbers from yesteryear. 2009 was 1.7 million for NDS, 2010 was 1.5 million.

 

[Pranay]

Not good, but apparently both games did really well in November on PSN.

@Sales on Vita PSN wont be that great though atmost 100k if i had to predict.

Vita PSN charts are actually quite useless but well few games have done beter in DD

 

[terrisus]

I wish we get Sony to give the PS3 numbers. NPD does not count bundles or Amazon sales.



NPD does not include bundles or Amazon so i don´t believe that especially when the PS3 sold 525k on black Friday alone.

They don't count software which is included in system bundles. They do count the systems though.
For example, the Nintendoland copies which are sold as part of the Wii U Deluxe bundle aren't counted in the overall Nintendoland totals. Obviously the Wii U Deluxe systems themselves are counted in the Wii U number though.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

And you have no idea that the odds of the Wii selling a million units (unprecedented) in it's launch month. Actually yours is even worse because it assumes something much more unlikely. By your logic the Wii would have sold 20 million units if they had the stock. "BUT GUYS THE WII SOLD 100 million and it was so hard to find for so long, that means that it could have sold a billion million units!!!!"

Can we be reasonable? Everybody knows the Wii situation, let's not pretend we didn't see what we saw. It could have sold more. Yes, way more. It is not mere speculation unfounded in any reality to suggest that. I surmise that dern near every system released could have sold more with more supply, so we can't get too carried away. If you'd like, you could therefore argue that Wii U could have sold more given more to sell, and it would be pretty hard to argue against.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

And you have no idea that the odds of the Wii selling a million units (unprecedented) in it's launch month. Actually yours is even worse because it assumes something much more unlikely. By your logic the Wii would have sold 20 million units if they had the stock.

That's not my logic. To any casual observer, to anyone who was around during those months and witnessed the hoopla surrounding the Wii, it's obvious it would have sold at least a few hundred thousand more, and you know this, but it doesn't fit your argument. I'm not going to continue on this point, it's like talking to a brick wall.

Can we be reasonable? Everybody knows the Wii situation, let's not pretend we didn't see what we saw. It could have sold more. Yes, way more. It is not mere speculation unfounded in any reality to suggest that. I surmise that dern near every system released could have sold more with more supply, so we can't get too carried away. If you'd like, you could therefore argue that Wii U could have sold more given more to sell, and it would be pretty hard to argue against.

Werd!

 

[chertipros]

Bro!

Can someone please explain why half a million 3DS units sold is bad? Honest question.

because it is the successor to the best selling handheld of all time and it's only direct competitor is not doing much to eat away it's potential sales. Plus the numbers are down dramatically from last year but it's obvious as to why that is. But honestly IMO I'm surprised it sold so well. There were virtually no releases for the 3DS this holiday and it still sold half a million

 

[metalslimer]

That's not my logic. To any casual observer, to anyone who was around during those months and witnessed the hoopla surrounding the Wii, it's obvious it would have sold at least a few hundred thousand more, and you know this, but it doesn't fit your argument. I'm not going to continue on this point, it's like talking to a brick wall.



Werd!

A million is not a few hundred thousand more. It's over double what it actually sold. I never denied the suggestion it would have sod more with more stock. It obviously would have. Your hyperbole is what I was contesting which you seem to partake in a lot in sales threads.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

"The world might end on the 21st. We have no idea if it will or not so let's stop pretending we do."

That's your logic. Yes, we don't know for a 100% fact if the world will end in two weeks, but odds are it won't. You and the others are denying the obvious, on purpose.

Well if the world ends in 15 days at least I will know that the WiiU was going to be a success.

Thank you Heavy.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

That's not my logic. To any casual observer, to anyone who was around during those months and witnessed the hoopla surrounding the Wii, it's obvious it would have sold at least a few hundred thousand more, and you know this, but it doesn't fit your argument. I'm not going to continue on this point, it's like talking to a brick wall.

Months? It was one week, and that was also probably the easiest week to track down a Wii until 2008. Wii didn't the ground being the hot item *everyone* wanted, demand was driven by word of mouth and the frenzy really started in December in the run up to Xmas.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

A million is not a few hundred thousand more. It's double what it actually sold. I never denied the suggestion it would have sod more with more stock. It obviously would. You hyperbole is what I was contesting which you seem to partake in a lot in sales threads.

Hyperbole would be saying it would have sold millions, not a million, which is totally reasonable. 800-900-1000k, whatever.

 

[Kacho]

Because it looks like the 3DS and DS are cannibalizing each other a bit, and combined they are nowhere (and I do mean nowhere) near the DS numbers from yesteryear. 2009 was 1.7 million for NDS, 2010 was 1.5 million.

Thanks.

But honestly IMO I'm surprised it sold so well. There were virtually no releases for the 3DS this holiday and it still sold half a million

Yep. Slim pickings on the 3DS this holiday season.

 

[metalslimer]

Hyperbole would be saying it would have sold millions, not a million, which is totally reasonable. 800-900-1000k, whatever.

That's quite a nice range

Months? It was one week, and that was also probably the easiest week to track down a Wii until 2008. Wii didn't the ground being the hot item *everyone* wanted, demand was driven by word of mouth and the frenzy really started in December in the run up to Xmas.

Exactly. Word of mouth about Wii Sports was the biggest driving point. The first week could have been better, but it was still one week and to take is fact that it would have DOUBLED what it did in that week as fact is something I contest.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

@Sales on Vita PSN wont be that great though atmost 100k if i had to predict.

Vita PSN charts are actually quite useless but well few games have done beter in DD

For both US and PAL?

They don't count software which is included in system bundles. They do count the systems though.
For example, the Nintendoland copies which are sold as part of the Wii U Deluxe bundle aren't counted in the overall Nintendoland totals. Obviously the Wii U Deluxe systems themselves are counted in the Wii U number though.

Yeah. I misunderstood when i read that NPD does not track bundles.

 

[stolin]

Good PS3 numbers.
Creamsugar
Karting > All stars > Wonderbook ?

I'd really like to see how this breaks down.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

Well if the world ends in 15 days at least I will know that the WiiU was going to be a success.

Thank you Heavy.

If the world ends in 2 weeks, I will grant you that Wii U probably would have sold 200 million units if it only had the chance. If the world does not end in 2 weeks, well, it might be an uphill battle.

Clearly, the Wii Us chances hinge on the world ending, so the rogue interpretation of the Mayan calendar better be right. Fingers crossed.

 

[Aquamarine]

because it is the successor to the best selling handheld of all time and it's only direct competitor is not doing much to eat away it's potential sales. Plus the numbers are down dramatically from last year but it's obvious as to why that is. But honestly IMO I'm surprised it sold so well. There were virtually no releases for the 3DS this holiday and it still sold half a million

Japan's 3DS sales are outpacing the US's 3DS sales now by 150K a month... and it has only 40% of the USA's population.

But 2D Mario + Pseudo-3D Mario + Mario Kart and whatnot still do a wonder for hardware sales.

And the system is reasonably priced.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Well if the world ends in 15 days at least I will know that the WiiU was going to be a success.

Thank you Heavy.

I hope we get first contact on the 21st. I want aliens to invade so every country can unite as one and put all our differences aside to fight for one common good to defend our freedom and sanctity as a species.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Huge drop for teh 3DS from last year even with the XL, NSMB, MK7, are out. Not good at all.

Wonderbook > or < than PS All-Stars I wonder. It did better here in the UK.

Wonderbook is mostly geared towards Europe i think. I´m seeing commercials on tv all the time here in Denmark.

 

[CadetMahoney]

wonderbook bob < 8k

oh thx cream.

Sony has said nothing?

They did for Friday black sales for some reason.

 

[Petrae]

Can someone please explain why half a million 3DS units sold is bad? Honest question.

Already comping down in your second holiday season isn't usually perceived to be a good thing, especially when the platform that you're replacing comps up. 500K is not a great number when you compare it with just shy of 800K a year ago, and with a nigh-untouchable comp of over 1.6 million units for December.

Whether it's a price issue, a cannibalization issue with legacy DS hardware and/or Wii U hardware, a weak new software slate, or a gradual migration to mobile... Nintendo must identify its challenges and try to meet them head-on. Something isn't quite right here in the US with the 3DS, and it's noticeable.

 

[Skiesofwonder]

If the world ends in 2 weeks, I will grant you that Wii U probably would have sold 200 million units if it only had the chance. If the world does not end in 2 weeks, well, it might be an uphill battle.

Clearly, the Wii Us chances hinge on the world ending, so the rogue interpretation of the Mayan calendar better be right. Fingers crossed.

 

[metalslimer]

They did for Friday black sales for some reason.

The black friday sales vs the rest of the month don't really look great.

Already comping down in your second holiday season isn't usually perceived to be a good thing, especially when the platform that you're replacing comps up. 500K is not a great number when you compare it with just shy of 800K a year ago, and with a nigh-untouchable comp of over 1.6 million units for December.

Whether it's a price issue, a cannibalization issue with legacy DS hardware and/or Wii U hardware, a weak new software slate, or a gradual migration to mobile... Nintendo must identify its challenges and try to meet them head-on. Something isn't quite right here in the US with the 3DS, and it's noticeable.

At this point I think they are just going to go with the flow. Do a price drop or two and release stuff like Pokemon. If there is a fundamental problem with the 3DS itself, only new hardware can really fix that. And if its because of 99 cent games, Nintendo can't do anything about that either.

 

[Pranay]

I guess we wont see anymore numbers from creamsugar

Wanted to know whether karting > all stars

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

It looks like it's up ~100% or more on last year.

If they were hoping for 5 million in NPD debut that'd be bad, but as it stands this is by far the best first month of the series.

AC3 was also number 1 and 2 on the PSN store. AC3 did much better than other AC games.

 

[Opiate]

The persistent pattern this year has been 1) significant declines in YoY sales overall, and 2) most of that decline is coming from Nintendo.

Nintendo down across the board; easily the most worrying should be the 3DS sales. Very bad situation for Nintendo all around.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Handheld numbers!

3DS is much, much better than I expected. Don't get me wrong, 32% YOY decline is still quite bad and cause for alarm, but I wasn't sure it'd even break 400K, based on the 250K Black Friday figure. Isn't it incredibly uncommon for a system to sell less than half of its November total on Black Friday?

Vita: Roughly where I expected after the Black Friday numbers were revealed, in the low 200K range. For comparison, PSP, a dead platform, sold 288K in November 2010, and GC, a similarly dead platform, sold over 270K in November 2005. Better than it could have been (150-160K for the entire month), still astonishingly awful for a first holiday.

Sony has already fired its biggest software guns for Vita, and released reasonably priced bundles for those titles, both to little effect. A price cut next year certainly won't save it, nor will any of the announced/known 2013 software. Forget about further Western third-party support - at this point, it'll be a feat if Sony can even keep it on store shelves long enough for a second holiday season.

Lol. No it has not. GT and GOW have yet to release on the system if they ever get released.

 

[user_nat]

The persistent pattern this year has been 1) significant declines in YoY sales overall, and 2) most of that decline is coming from Nintendo.

Nintendo down across the board; easily the most worrying should be the 3DS sales. Very bad situation for Nintendo all around.

Not sure I agree with point 2. HD Twins have been down a fair amount this year. Hardware and software (partially because software releases are down)
Last years declines were all Nintendo.

Reminds me of this.

 

[perfectchaos007]

The persistent pattern this year has been 1) significant declines in YoY sales overall, and 2) most of that decline is coming from Nintendo.

Nintendo down across the board; easily the most worrying should be the 3DS sales. Very bad situation for Nintendo all around.

The gaming industry is cyclical. They reached their former low in 2003, new high in ~2008, and 2013 may be their new new low.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Both portables are pretty fucked, the worst of it it seems that Nintendo is pretty clueless about the situation.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Nintendo dropped the ball with 3DS on BF. They needed to do price slashing bundles like 360, PS3 and Vita.

 

[metalslimer]

Lol. No it has not. GT and GOW have yet to release on the system if they ever get released.

He was including 3rd parties with Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty. Assassin's Creed is a bigger franchise that God of War and I believe Gran Turismo now.

oth portables are pretty fucked, the worst of it it seems that Nintendo is pretty clueless about the situation.

Oh Iwata has commneted on before and definitely knows, but honestly there's not much he can do to stop the huge wave that crushing against dedicated handhelds in the west. He could try some massive pricedrop to like 99 dollars, but then they would lose a shit ton of money.

 

[Matt]

Lol. No it has not. GT and GOW have yet to release on the system if they ever get released.

COD and AS are far bigger games then those two.

 

[Yopis]

The gaming industry is cyclical. They reached their former low in 2003, new high in ~2008, and 2013 may be their new new low.

True you can't have an endless stream of record breaking systems. Hopefully the platform holders know this. Sales to gaf are bomb or greatest ever.

 

[fabfour64xx]

Bad Vita numbers, bad PSASBR numbers, and I don't even want to know LBP Karting numbers. Just flat-out abysmal numbers for Sony this month.

Can't wait for the PR spin on Vita: "It's performed to expectations."

 

[jrDev]

vita all star < 8k

How much money did Sony spend on this again? Jesus...

 

[Wickerbasket]

COD and AS are far bigger games then those two.

That COD game is an embarrassment and won't help Vita sales any.

 

[Father_Brain]

Lol. No it has not. GT and GOW have yet to release on the system if they ever get released.

Oh, okay, so we're in the "wishing up hypothetical games that I'm assuming will exist at some point" phase. Carry on.

More importantly, since you're committing the "big console IP = big on handhelds" fallacy, it's just a tad problematic that AC and COD are both more popular on consoles than either GOW or GT are on PS3, last I checked.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Oh Iwata has commneted on before and definitely knows, but honestly there's not much he can do to stop the huge wave that crushing against dedicated handhelds in the west. He could try some massive pricedrop to like 99 dollars, but then they would lose a shit ton of money.

We're reaching a point were the price of the hardware is not really the problem. Nintendo is still trying to sell overpriced software while neglecting digital distribution.

Those days are over.

 

[Drago]

Nintendo dropped the ball with 3DS on BF. They needed to do price slashing bundles like 360, PS3 and Vita.

They should have had the NSMB2 3DS XL special edition that Japan got with the game pre-installed, and sold it for $180. Could have been a huge seller.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Why are these EA guys tweeting about CoD selling less?

Still far more than Battlefield will ever sell bros.

Not really. IIRC BF3 sold 20 million copies.

Oh, okay, so we're in the "wishing up hypothetical games that I'm assuming will exist at some point" phase. Carry on.

More importantly, since you're committing the "big console IP = big on handhelds" fallacy, it's just a tad problematic that AC and COD are both bigger on consoles than either GOW or GT, last I checked.

GT and GOW COO have sold over 3 million a piece so yeah.

 

[Matt]

That COD game is an embarrassment and won't help Vita sales any.

Nor would a good COD game...

 

[Yopis]

How much money did Sony spend on this again? Jesus...

The ps3 number is a hit then?

 

[kunonabi]

Oh shi...

Where is RE6?

Good question. I expected it to fall off a cliff but damn. How much was the first month for it again?

 

[Father_Brain]

Nor would a good COD game...

Liberation's sales ought to prove that. So should RE:Revelations bombing on 3DS, for that matter.

The audience that made titles like Liberty City Stories and Chains of Olympus successful on PSP years back has moved on to other devices for portable entertainment. They're not coming back.

 

[metalslimer]

We're reaching a point were the price of the hardware is not really the problem. Nintendo is still trying to sell overpriced software while neglecting digital distribution.

Those days are over.

But Nintendo spends a large amount of money developing said games. For Nintendo to stand a chance at competing with iOS they would need severe price slashes. Also the 3DS just isn't going to be able to compete with the hardware being what it is. It was not designed to be a multipurpose device you always carry with you. I agree some of the software needs to be a lot cheaper, and the VC is a complete joke but honestly even if they did it wouldn't do much to help them. Dedicated handhelds are on an irreversible decline.

Edit: holy shit RE6 bomba. Things are not looking good for Capcom at all right now. 600 people and 4 years for this.

 

[lunchwithyuzo]

Not really. IIRC BF3 sold 20 million copies.

2m per NPD it's first month.

 

[Father_Brain]

Not really. IIRC BF3 sold 20 million copies.


GT and GOW COO have sold over 3 million a piece so yeah.

Those games came out years ago. If there's still an audience for console franchises like that on handhelds, COD and (especially) AC ought to have catapulted Vita into the goddamn stratosphere. (Note: By "stratosphere," I mean November numbers that aren't historically awful for a first holiday, or that are at least better than what dead systems like GC and PSP were selling in November near the end of their lifespans.)

 

[Gianni Merryman]

Nintendo dropped the ball with 3DS on BF. They needed to do price slashing bundles like 360, PS3 and Vita.

Didn't someone drop 3DSXL's price to 149$ recently?
There's a thread about it.

 

[MrGame&Watch]

We're reaching a point were the price of the hardware is not really the problem. Nintendo is still trying to sell overpriced software while neglecting digital distribution.

Those days are over.

The main problem is that the type of consumer brain age appealed to is on the iPad and unless you bring down the overall quality of your software you won't be getting to that 99 cent price point.

I don't think putting all that software for download does much either. Most people don't want to carry around handhelds along with their phone when they go to work for example.