AlteredForms
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You weren't missing out on much. It was basically a clone of those Ubisoft Prince of Persia mobile games.
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Let's talk about old mobile gaming (Java, Symbian, BREW)
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Shakunetsu
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Hi guys, I am a fighting games enthusiast
Here are some of the Japan exclusive Mobile Fighting games that needs to be preserve and archive
The Japan exclusive version of Alpha 1 and Alpha 2
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Here are some footage
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There was a version from Gameloft?
Which was a whole different version of SF Alpha/Zero One for the international game that looks like this
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Other Non-Japanese titled Fighting Games in mobile that wasn't preserve and archive yet mas Verizon Mobile's Tekken 2 which also did an earlier release with Docomo and Foma phones in Japan.
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Some of the Fighters that are already archive but in different sizes of screen
1.) Virtual Fighter Mobile
2.) King of Fighters M2
3.) Ultimate MK3
4.) Tekken Mobile
5.) KOF Mobile
6.) Soul Calibur
7.) Samurai Shodown
8.) Fatal Fury
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This later Fighting Games lack a multiplayer feature or a versus mode compare to the Nokia Ngage /Ngage QD's the KOF Extreme and One
Another problem with Fighting games in Symbian mobile era back then was they are trying to emulate the controls of their arcade counterparts and console versions. Because simple controls in fighting games aren't considered before.
Nowadays even the upcoming Street Fighter 6 is already adopting simple controls that became something of a new norm and universal that did start of smart phone era of fighting games now as a new universal accessibility feature.
before we can see these controls on mobile counterparts like SF4Voltz, UMK3 Mobile and KOFA
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It would be interesting to see this relic of the past tweak with simple controls and all compatible with a single brand new symbian mobile handheld game, added with local multiplayer features that the whole multiplayer aspect is more focus to face to face versus instead of the most recent mobile FGS that abandoned the concept of face to face aspect because they are now focus on finding online matchmaking and the implementation microtransactions.
Mobile Fighting Games had change so much in Smart phone era that the face to face multiplayer feature is now a side design. I used to be hyped by this Ngage commercial back then that you can go for a quick fight with anyone you come across with.
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It's kinda like a real life Power Quest without the tedious upgrading and leveling system other than going to lab(training mode) then pick up and play.
A "more social experience multiplayer feature" that is immediate and face to face that can imitate the local multiplayer aspect of the past like gaming with Classic Counter Strike, Classic DOTA, PSP Monster Hunter Games, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Gauntlet Legends, PowerStone2, Golden Eye N64 then a lot of Kart games, TCG(Card Games) and tons of Beat em up.
Combining the experience of Face to Face centered multiplayer with Augmented Reality (AR) technology can do wonders.
Online competitive games with AR tech doesn't really feel more impact compare into the face to face experience
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And of the recent smart phone online games nowadays isn't just design for connectivity but also on grinding and pay to win aspect that leveling system is a major aspect to distance each player to each other not something that has an equal standoff in the beginning because the ideas of being designed into face to face were not the priority in the multiplayer game design. So it's always been an uneven ground not by skill and choice but rather because of investment.
Like the newer MK Mobile, Marvel Contest of the Champion, Injustice and Tekken Mobile, it's not like a real time fighting game multiplayer anymore but rather like comparing stats numbers and timing to press the right buttons against an idle cpu characters under another player ownership that he purchase from a random generator microtransaction system.
Here are some of the Japan exclusive Mobile Fighting games that needs to be preserve and archive
The Japan exclusive version of Alpha 1 and Alpha 2
/
Here are some footage
/
/
There was a version from Gameloft?
Which was a whole different version of SF Alpha/Zero One for the international game that looks like this
/
Other Non-Japanese titled Fighting Games in mobile that wasn't preserve and archive yet mas Verizon Mobile's Tekken 2 which also did an earlier release with Docomo and Foma phones in Japan.
/
Some of the Fighters that are already archive but in different sizes of screen
1.) Virtual Fighter Mobile
2.) King of Fighters M2
3.) Ultimate MK3
4.) Tekken Mobile
5.) KOF Mobile
6.) Soul Calibur
7.) Samurai Shodown
8.) Fatal Fury
/
This later Fighting Games lack a multiplayer feature or a versus mode compare to the Nokia Ngage /Ngage QD's the KOF Extreme and One
Another problem with Fighting games in Symbian mobile era back then was they are trying to emulate the controls of their arcade counterparts and console versions. Because simple controls in fighting games aren't considered before.
Nowadays even the upcoming Street Fighter 6 is already adopting simple controls that became something of a new norm and universal that did start of smart phone era of fighting games now as a new universal accessibility feature.
before we can see these controls on mobile counterparts like SF4Voltz, UMK3 Mobile and KOFA
/
It would be interesting to see this relic of the past tweak with simple controls and all compatible with a single brand new symbian mobile handheld game, added with local multiplayer features that the whole multiplayer aspect is more focus to face to face versus instead of the most recent mobile FGS that abandoned the concept of face to face aspect because they are now focus on finding online matchmaking and the implementation microtransactions.
Mobile Fighting Games had change so much in Smart phone era that the face to face multiplayer feature is now a side design. I used to be hyped by this Ngage commercial back then that you can go for a quick fight with anyone you come across with.
/
/
/
It's kinda like a real life Power Quest without the tedious upgrading and leveling system other than going to lab(training mode) then pick up and play.
A "more social experience multiplayer feature" that is immediate and face to face that can imitate the local multiplayer aspect of the past like gaming with Classic Counter Strike, Classic DOTA, PSP Monster Hunter Games, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Gauntlet Legends, PowerStone2, Golden Eye N64 then a lot of Kart games, TCG(Card Games) and tons of Beat em up.
Combining the experience of Face to Face centered multiplayer with Augmented Reality (AR) technology can do wonders.
Online competitive games with AR tech doesn't really feel more impact compare into the face to face experience
/
And of the recent smart phone online games nowadays isn't just design for connectivity but also on grinding and pay to win aspect that leveling system is a major aspect to distance each player to each other not something that has an equal standoff in the beginning because the ideas of being designed into face to face were not the priority in the multiplayer game design. So it's always been an uneven ground not by skill and choice but rather because of investment.
Like the newer MK Mobile, Marvel Contest of the Champion, Injustice and Tekken Mobile, it's not like a real time fighting game multiplayer anymore but rather like comparing stats numbers and timing to press the right buttons against an idle cpu characters under another player ownership that he purchase from a random generator microtransaction system.
Shifty
Member
These are what I clicked for and am not disappointed
games that had no right to be as excellent as they were.It's a shame the RPG titles didn't get proper ports to non-dead platforms. You can emulate the J2ME versions quite easily these days, but the iOS editions were seriously gussied up by comparison and can't be played unless you have a device that's still running that year's version of the OS.
stranno
Member
In the latest months Bent has added quite a bunch of interesting features in EKA2L1.
- Touch mapping. Now touch-based games (S60^1 and S60^3) can be mapped to keys. Motion mapping hasn't been added yet, so of course those fully motion games (SSX, for example) cannot be played on Windows yet (they work on Android fine).
- Bluetooth Multiplayer. EKA2L1 now supports bluetooth emulation through Wifi. It has been introduced for N-Gage (S60v1), but it should work across all platforms supported. Real bluetooth support cannot be done, since it would require a low level emulation bluetooth implementation (and it wouldn't make much sense in these days anyway).
- Per-device apps. EKA2L1 now filters each device's apps, not showing the rest of device's installed apps, which was a mess in previous versions.
- Touch mapping. Now touch-based games (S60^1 and S60^3) can be mapped to keys. Motion mapping hasn't been added yet, so of course those fully motion games (SSX, for example) cannot be played on Windows yet (they work on Android fine).
- Bluetooth Multiplayer. EKA2L1 now supports bluetooth emulation through Wifi. It has been introduced for N-Gage (S60v1), but it should work across all platforms supported. Real bluetooth support cannot be done, since it would require a low level emulation bluetooth implementation (and it wouldn't make much sense in these days anyway).
- Per-device apps. EKA2L1 now filters each device's apps, not showing the rest of device's installed apps, which was a mess in previous versions.
Very cool. Yes, there are certainly a bunch of obscure, yet interesting, ports to Java ME and DoJa.
I'm not sure about the rest of the ports, but Doom 2 RPG is the same game across all platforms, except Java ME. I compared the Windows Mobile, BREW and iOS version time ago and they are pretty much identical, aside the aspect ratio. I guess it makes sense, since they probably use the same software rendering engine.
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Shifty
Member
I must be thinking specifically of Wolfenstein RPG in that case - I distinctly remember it having higher-res spritework than the version I had on my Blackberry at the time, and being quite jealous
AlteredForms
Member
I actually completed Wolfenstein RPG on my old Nokia mobile phone and it was an absolute blast. You actually battle a Cyberdemon at the end with the Spear of Destiny and when you win, BJ walks away from the camera wondering how he'd explain this to his superiors lol.I must be thinking specifically of Wolfenstein RPG in that case - I distinctly remember it having higher-res spritework than the version I had on my Blackberry at the time, and being quite jealous
stranno
Member
Well.. I'd say no, since we had Gameloft, which was, by far, the best Java studio.
But, in terms of graphics tech, DoJa (Japanese Java, different from western Java ME) was very powerful. Apps had bigger memory footprint and they used Mascot Capsule 3D (the best 3D engine ever developed for Java) a lot. In the west, there were very few Mascot Capsule 3D games, most of them developed by Fishlabs, and most 3D games were either done in software, using very basic shapes (most Gameloft games) or they used M3G. Also, Japanese market (mainly NTT's i-Mode) used BREW a lot. Here in the west we barely saw BREW games for mobile phones, except in the Verizon market. BREW phones weren't popular either.
Long story short: In terms of graphics tech, Japanese market probably took the lead. In terms of overall gaming quality, I'd say Gameloft, Macrospace, Mr.Goodliving, Digital Cholate, among others, destroyed the Japanese mobile gaming. Also, some of those very cool DoJa and BREW Japanese games were actually developed in Europe, not in Japan. Macrospace did some games for Capcom and Squaresoft, London based studio Ideaworks3D developed Metal Gear Solid Mobile (BREW/Symbian) or Resident Evil 4 Mobile (BREW/iOS), among many other crazy-impossible ports. They were pretty amazing.
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stranno
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Nice. There were a lot of Formula games. The Fernando Alonso games, produced by Movistar (not sure who developed them) were pretty amazing. I think Gameloft also used their Asphalt engine for some Formula 1 games, iirc.Easily my most played java game on my Nokia X3. I think it was Formula Extreme.
stranno
Member
Then you want to check the Ruwaga's channel. He was trying to record as much i-appli games as possible before the i-mode closure, but I suspect something happened to him or the phone broke since he stopped one year ago.
Bomberman 3D, for example, which is one of my favorite mobile games, had like 8 o 9 worlds in the DoJa version, using Mascot Capsule 3D. There's a western Java ME version with Mascot Capsule 3D (as well as another using regular M3G), but that version only features 4 worlds and, apparently, it only has three in reality, since you can't access the fourth world. Graphics are pretty much the same in both versions, but sound is also far superior in DoJa. I don't remember the name of the studio, but this game was also developed in Europe.
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stranno
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I have to clean up this thread a bit. With my YT channel lost, it is a bit messy
Hikari no Yume, the developer of touchME, the "trendiest" emulator right now, has twitted some interesting insights. Apparently, all those exclusive games from the first years of the App Store were never ported to Android basically because the Android SDK sucked and it didn't have OpenGL ES support until September 2009
She has had some very funny/weird feedback from the ChatGPT.
The emulator supports two games right now: Super Monkey Ball (in fact, the emulator was developed for Super Monkey Ball) and Crash Bandicoot Nitro Kart 3D. Binaries for the last one hasn't been compiled yet, because she wants to emulate it perfectly before the next version. But you can compile it already and try the game. It works almost perfectly, except for some minor graphical glitches and the lack of touch-mapping, to map the weapon into a button (all these accelerometer games requiere a gamepad to emulate the tilting).
Hikari no Yume, the developer of touchME, the "trendiest" emulator right now, has twitted some interesting insights. Apparently, all those exclusive games from the first years of the App Store were never ported to Android basically because the Android SDK sucked and it didn't have OpenGL ES support until September 2009
She has had some very funny/weird feedback from the ChatGPT.
The emulator supports two games right now: Super Monkey Ball (in fact, the emulator was developed for Super Monkey Ball) and Crash Bandicoot Nitro Kart 3D. Binaries for the last one hasn't been compiled yet, because she wants to emulate it perfectly before the next version. But you can compile it already and try the game. It works almost perfectly, except for some minor graphical glitches and the lack of touch-mapping, to map the weapon into a button (all these accelerometer games requiere a gamepad to emulate the tilting).
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Tams
Member
No way! That was the first mobile game (and one of very few since) I downloaded too!
Thanks for this thread. I love Symbian and am still sad that it's gone (along with old Opera).
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stranno
Member
Hikari has published another stable version of touchHLE, the iOS emulator. Among many improvements, including the drag-n-drop feature for the Windows build (just drag the IPA file into the touchHLE executable), it now supports a third, non-exciting, game: Touch & Go LITE.
I haven't found the game and it seems Hikari had his own dump from back in the day, LITE stands for demo on iOS. Apparently, the full version is not preserved, or at least it hasn't surfaced as a single game. According to Hikari, she has a three-games pack, including the full version of Touch & Go, but of course it is not working so far due lots of things needed to be supported yet. touchHLE is progressing slowly for now, in terms of compatibility, but once it builds a solid UIKit base, compatibility will probably blow up, since OpenGL ES and OpenAL are already there.
GitHub - hikari-no-yume/touchHLE: High-level emulator for iPhone OS apps
High-level emulator for iPhone OS apps. Contribute to hikari-no-yume/touchHLE development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com
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