gofreak said:That's Celestica, mentioned in the article. I think they're going from 2 to 3 factories, if memory serves me.
Are we then to take it that the shortages are due more to logistics and assembly than chip yeilds ?
gofreak said:That's Celestica, mentioned in the article. I think they're going from 2 to 3 factories, if memory serves me.
Excelion said:MS seems to have the same shipments as PS2 so far (a bit better in fact).
Excelion said:Sony did 10 million in one year, with 40% of them in the last 3 months.
borghe said:the disappointing thing is that technically it is a very able competitor.
Stinkles said:I take inexplicable pleasure in the missteps of corporations.
not to forget that they are competing with Sony, who have such a massive brand name and have a very tight grip on the market.monkeymagic said:I would think technical ability would be the least of their problems now.
Both the XBox and GCN were technically more capable competitors but it was so many other factors that let them down.
Now MS don't have the technical advantage but they're still making the same rudimentary mistakes they made last gen.
This is made even worse by the fact that they're the first to market so every mistake of theirs is scrutinised and multiplied many fold.
psycho_snake said:not to forget that they are competing with Sony, who have such a massive brand name and have a very tight grip on the market.
marc^o^ said:Microsoft is just spoiling their first mover advantage.
Thier whole strategy is flawed. Killing off the Xbox was a huge mistake especially beofre they knew how well the Xbox360 would perform. If they kept supporting the Xbox they could have had two consoles out on the market which would be gaining more marketshare and MS could always rely on Xbox if the 360 was not doing as well as expected which is what is happening now.Dave Long said:I've enjoyed the 360 I lucked into back before Christmas, but clearly they were not ready to ship this thing. There are bugs galore in the games and the operating system. Every game has an unfinished feel to it with missing features and strange design decisions that seem like they would have been caught with ample testing.
To top it off, Microsoft killed the first Xbox off at the same time.
They should have looked at the software, the hardware and the fact that production yields were poor and just bitten the bullet and called it off. The problem is they didn't bother to keep any development on the original Xbox for the Christmas season so they had nothing to fall back on and had to launch 360 no matter what. They were so committed to the new box that they couldn't see the problems right in front of their faces. Either that, or they simply chose to ignore them.
This whole thing has gone from "First mover advantage" to "Big black eye" over the course of the last two months. Then they add to the confusion with HD-DVD announcement. Ay yi yi...
open_mouth_ said:Despite supply problems for 360, it's gonna be Genesis vs. SNES all over again, imo, with MS putting up a heckuva fight. The DS is putting up a superb fight against the PSP and I think the 360 will stand up to the PS3 nicely.
That certainly could have been the case, but the supply problems and the mess that they seem to be in menas that its going to be nore like PS2 vs Xbox rather than Genesis vs Snes. If they had supplied enough Xbox360's then they could have had a great lead before Sony released PS3, but at the moment they just seem to be wasting valuable time.open_mouth_ said:Despite supply problems for 360, it's gonna be Genesis vs. SNES all over again, imo, with MS putting up a heckuva fight. The DS is putting up a superb fight against the PSP and I think the 360 will stand up to the PS3 nicely.
Gofreak said:It's hard to compare given how different the situations are.
Excelion said:i like how Sony's supposed to produce PS3 as fast as Sonic runs.
Musashi Wins! said:isn't the PSP struggling against the DS?
open_mouth_ said:The DS is putting up a superb fight against the PSP and I think the 360 will stand up to the PS3 nicely.
this is not entirely accurate.DSN2K said:Nintendo fans like to see it that way but reality is both are doing very well specially the DS.
psycho_snake said:That certainly could have been the case, but the supply problems and the mess that they seem to be in menas that its going to be nore like PS2 vs Xbox rather than Genesis vs Snes. If they had supplied enough Xbox360's then they could have had a great lead before Sony released PS3, but at the moment they just seem to be wasting valuable time.
borghe said:So take away Europe
I said take away europe because overall the systems aren't doing that great in TWO THIRDS of the other territories. Yes they are both doing well in europe, but doing well in the one territory likely won't spur any major development. I would almost argue that their poorer performance in the US is more important than the great performance in europe. The worldwide total is a misleading figure.Deg said:Dont even try that. Possibly the dumbest thing you can say.
bill gates fired??Deku Tree said:I predict some executive turn over at the MS xbox division in 2006.
JackFrost2012 said:it's a marathon, not a sprint
would you believe a winter triathalon
how about a cross-country bike tour
RidgeCityFM said:ps3 wont be here until fall or later. that is all. call it a mistake all you want but if sony somehow managed to pull off a worldwide launch by spring THEN MS would be in trouble.
Deku Tree said:I predict some executive turn over at the MS xbox division in 2006.
RidgeCityFM said:ps3 wont be here until fall or later. that is all. call it a mistake all you want but if sony somehow managed to pull off a worldwide launch by spring THEN MS would be in trouble. Until ps3s launch date is figured out MS has nothing to worry about. They are the only next gen kid on the block and by the time the bigger games like gears of war and saints row are around the hardware will be out at a more steady pace.
As far as the rushed hardware thing, the system is the most advanced unit on the block right now with parts rivaling hardcore gaming PCs. I dont even think someone like HP could even dream about churning out 10 million of there top of the line PCs in a less than a year. I see it as MS being ahead of the curve rather than rushing.
The thing is you would be saying exactly the same thing had MS only shipped and sold 100,000 units.
The fact remains the early launch was to take advantage of the holiday season and build up a sizeable userbase (8-10M) before PS3 launches.
That is not going to happen if you can't get units on the shelf. And if you can't get units on the shelf then mass consumers lose interest since launch hype is very quickly forgotten.
RidgeCityFM said:you never saw anything like that with the ps2 or any other system for that matter. the demand is nuts.
SolidSnakex said::lol Did you just get into gaming?
That second Best Buy shipment was very real. And your last comment fails completely.RidgeCityFM said:then that means what? the 360 still has more than enough going for all the doom and gloom in this thread to be pointless. MS will have almost a full year in the US and possibly europe to clean up once they get their act together. If the software is there then it wont be a problem. Look at the demand for the system. if there was no demand then there'd be an issue but you still have people looking to line up at best buy just on rumors on the net of possible shipments coming in. you never saw anything like that with the ps2 or any other system for that matter. the demand is nuts.
DenogginizerOS said:IF there are 5-6 million units moved by June
RidgeCityFM said:japan doesnt equal america.
RidgeCityFM said:japan doesnt equal america.
Seriously did you get into gaming yesterday?RidgeCityFM said:japan doesnt equal america.
RidgeCityFM said:you never saw anything like that with the ps2 or any other system for that matter. the demand is nuts.
RidgeCityFM said:i was reffering to the whole linning up at stores thing. nothing more. i know people lined up in stores a few times in japan for the ps2 but i dont remember that type of thing happening here at all for 2nd and 3rd shipments. they just kinda showed up whenever on shelves.
RidgeCityFM said:i was reffering to the whole linning up at stores thing. nothing more. i know people lined up in stores a few times in japan for the ps2 but i dont remember that type of thing happening here at all for 2nd and 3rd shipments. they just kinda showed up whenever on shelves.