it's entirely possible that sony will move away from numbers with the ps4.
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NPD March 2012 Sales Results [Up3: ME3 Total, Binary Domain]
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it's entirely possible that sony will move away from numbers with the ps4.
I'll inform the online division they have finally been put out of their misery.
Well, there are calls for that from some.
Hero of Legend
Member
Do we have Vita numbers? Just curious.
Thanks! New tie ratios are much appreciated.
jvm_Gamasutra said:
Iwata_January-2009 said:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/090130qa/index.html
For reference, October 2008 was the big stock market hit and sort of the "start" of the economic problems, so this was about 4 months after that.
Yep.Thanks! New tie ratios are much appreciated.
jvm said:
360 total software now seems clearly ahead of the Wii. People can still keep arguing whether the same will happen or not for hardware sales. =P
I don't know if you check the MC threads and saw it, but this might help (look at the bottom where the inverted pyramid images are): http://www.famitsu.com/guc/blog/takapai/11476.htmljvm said:
shinra-bansho
Member
Do the tie ratios for the Wii (and a lesser extent, PS3 and 360) include games bundled with hardware (system or peripheral), out of curiosity?
Happy to oblige with those figures. FWIW, I would put the Vita at 210K. That's my personal figure, based on everything I've seen. Also, ASP was only $267, down from $283 last month. If there were only two models ($250 and $300) then wifi would be selling twice as fast as the 3G model.
¹ Where Wii Play is software.
Could you tell me what I'm seeing there? Google Translate (and my very, very tired brain) are failing me.
No. It only includes software sold as software¹.
¹ Where Wii Play is software.
The amount of games that sold x number of copies in the given interval, along with the approximate revenue.
2011
3298 games (90% of all) that sold under 100k for a total of around 800 million dollars.
325 (8%) between 100k and 500k, around $2.2 billion.
59 (1.4%) between 510k and 990k, ~$1.7 billion.
34 (0.6%) greater or equal than 1 million, ~$4 billion.
2010
4149 (91%) under 100k, ~$1 billion.
311 (7%) between 100k and 500k, ~$2.4 billion
51 (1.1%) between 510k and 990k , ~$1.5 billion
40 (0.9%) over 1 million, ~$4.5 billion
万 = x10^4
億　= x10^8
OldJadedGamer
Banned
As far as counting it with the software totals, yeah, that's a decent way to put it. Zelda: Crossbow Training would kind of buck that trend, though.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Crossbow training was counted? It shouldn't have been.
If anyone is interested, my column is now up. You can see it here:
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...cture_of_current_US_retail_game_landscape.php
Here is an additional graph for your amusement:
Thanks guys.
Thank you!
Edit: Could you please give full numbers for average hardware selling prices?
That rainbow colored graph of console prices at the beginning is mine from my old blog. Haven't thought about that for years!
CadetMahoney
Member
Never thought that song would still be trend indicative this late in the gen MS still has a price drop up it's sleeve too.
MS still has a price drop up it's sleeve too.Forgot about that song.
I think it wasn't the first month or two, but then it showed up on the lists. To be fair, I don't think most of the 2+m that bought it really wanted the zapper...
Pretty decent performance
Also wow they're budgeting the Amalur MMO at 75 million? That's quite a lot...
Parmenides
Banned
Sony needs to work very hard...
Code:
NPD
PSP --> 500K (first two days)
PSV --> 436K (first seven weeks)LINK
With all due respect,you're totally wrong.
Code:
PS3 Hardware Sales (Unit: Million)
CY 2011 CY 2010
EU 4.9 4.6
US 4.52 4.33
JP 1.55 1.59
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Sales 11.0 10.5
Shipments 14.1 14.4
Source:(Nintendo,NPD,Media Create,Sony)Shipment figures can be misleading in the short-term for several reasons.
Masaru Kato said:
Sony's CEO Discusses F3Q11 Results
Or shipments over the last couple of years
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(Unit: Million)
Global Shipments US NPD
(2010+2011) (2010+2011)
PS3 28.5 (14.4 + 14.1) 8.8 (4.3 + 4.5)
Wii 27.52 (17.2 + 10.32) 11.6 (7.1 + 4.5)
360 27.0 (12.1 + 14.9) 14.1 (6.8 + 7.3)30 million isn't enough.The Wii has a higher income elasticity of demand than its competitors.Once Wii demand waned in the world's biggest markets, it hasn't been able to migrate out into emerging markets.
Also,don't forget the beauty of the market segmentation.
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Global Shipments (Oct 2006 - Dec 2011) (Unit: Million)
Hardware Software
PS3 62.0 568.1
PS2 47.9 410.0
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109.9 978.1Neuromancer
Member
OldJadedGamer
Banned
That is weird. Unless it sold on its own, it should have never been counted. It is clearly marked as a Zapper.
Xbox 360 = $269 (down from $284)JVM? Pretty please?
PS3 = $267 (down from $271)
Wii = $149 (up from $147)
PSP = $131 (down from $132)
3DS/NDS = ... don't have it written down for some reason
PSV = $267
The combined 3DS/NDS average I get is frustrating, but one makes do with the cards one is dealt.
Also, I was going to get to it.
You have to be patient with me.Sammy Samusu
Member
http://www.nintendo.com/games
Nintendo 3DS:
1. Kid Icarus: Uprising - 140k
2. Mario Kart 7 - 118k
3. Super Mario 3D Land - 100k
4. Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games
5. Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
6. Resident Evil® Revelations - ~27k
7. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D
8. Sonic Generations
9. Pokémon Rumble Blast
10. Tales of the Abyss 3D
Nintendo 3DS:
1. Kid Icarus: Uprising - 140k
2. Mario Kart 7 - 118k
3. Super Mario 3D Land - 100k
4. Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games
5. Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
6. Resident Evil® Revelations - ~27k
7. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D
8. Sonic Generations
9. Pokémon Rumble Blast
10. Tales of the Abyss 3D
AdventureRacing
Member
360 still has the highest selling price. I wonder if we will finally see a price cut this year or if they are content trying to ride out at this high price for as long as possible.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
IMO they will drop it to compete with WiiU this Xmas. Maybe Gamescom. Also the Kinect will permanently come down to $99 with a second game included along with Kinect Adventures or maybe two. I'm guessing Dance Central 1 and Kinect Sports 1 as standard.
Xbox 360 = $269 (down from $284)
PS3 = $267 (down from $271)
Wii = $149 (up from $147)
PSP = $131 (down from $132)
3DS/NDS = ... don't have it written down for some reason
PSV = $267
The combined 3DS/NDS average I get is frustrating, but one makes do with the cards one is dealt.
Also, I was going to get to it.
Thank you my friend!
Seeing price parity from PSV with PS3/360 is... not a good business move, I´d say.
Let's post all the other charts, at this point
3DS Past Year Chart
Mario Kart 7
Super Mario 3D Land
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D
Pokémon Rumble Blast
Star Fox 64 3D
SUPER STREET FIGHTER IV 3D EDITION
Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
LEGO Star Wars III: The Clone Wars
Sonic Generations
Pilotwings Resort
So, everyone here did more than 140k, since Kid Icarus: Uprising is absent
Wii March Chart
Mario Party 9 - 230k
Just Dance 3
PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond
Zumba Fitness 2
Super Mario Galaxy
Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
Mario Kart Wii
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
Zumba Fitness
Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games
Wii Past Year Chart
Just Dance 3
Just Dance 2
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
Zumba Fitness
Mario Kart Wii
Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
Zumba Fitness 2
Super Mario Galaxy
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Michael Jackson The Experience
DS March Chart
New Super Mario Bros.
Mario Kart DS
LEGO Battles: Ninjago
Pokémon White Version
Pokémon Black Version
Super Mario 64 DS
Plants vs Zombies
Shin Megami Tensei®: Devil Survivor 2
LEGO Star Wars III: The Battle For Bricks Just Got Bigger!
Monster High Ghoul Spirit
So, ToGf less than NSMB
DS Past Year Chart
New Super Mario Bros.
Pokémon White Version
Mario Kart DS
Pokémon Black Version
Cars 2: The Video Game
Plants vs Zombies
LEGO Battles: Ninjago
LEGO Star Wars III: The Battle For Bricks Just Got Bigger!
Kirby Mass Attack
Super Mario 64 DS
Seeing NSMB still the most sold game on DS...and thinking about the 2D one coming on 3DS...
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
Thanks for reminding me of this song. So great.
CadetMahoney
Member
Well we don't know about performance in the market for sure, we don't have any solid numbers for PSV, just forum members posting numbers and guesstimates. Things will probably continue like this. . . ugh.
Bruno MB
Member
The future doesn't look any brighter for portable console systems
I would like to have a WW figure for Sonic Generations, it seems a constant seller.
frankie_baby
Member
The future doesn't look any brighter for portable console systems
I would like to have a WW figure for Sonic Generations, it seems a constant seller.
Arent the top 8 of those inside the all formats top 25, i'd say thats very healthy
And as for generations, On 3ds at least, still cant believe sega forgot to make a wii version
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
"whoops, we forgot" -- no, they didn't forget. They made a calculated decision that the bottom fell out of the Wii market. They may have been right and they may have been wrong, but it wasn't an oversight, it was a deliberate decision.
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
Skipping the console with the biggest Sonic fan base dosen't sound like a smart idea especially after seeing the latest Sega financial news.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Why is it market segmentation to sell a older, cheaper, different piece of hardware (the PS2) largely to emerging markets but also price-conscious consumers in major markets, but not market segmentation to sell a complementary, cheaper product in a slightly different product category worldwide?
In other words, why combine PS2 and PS3, without including PSP; and why compare the combined PS2/PS3 to 360 or Wii without looking at the DS as well?
The fact that the PS2 still has life left in it in specific circumstances provides no assurance of Sony's forward-looking viability in the console market (it has no predictive power), it doesn't tell us really anything about the Sony brand, or how any future hardware will be received. It also doesn't tell us if or how the PS3 might have similar longevity in those pricing categories or emerging markets.
I do agree that Sony is better equipped than either MS or Nintendo to deliver consistent results in EEMEA and South American territories, but I also think your argument is a vast overreach of the data you provided to support it.
That was February.
However, I don't see the March 3DS specific chart, with those numbers, as a sign of the inevitable decadence of portables. I mean, neither DS obtained to fill the single SKU top 10 with lots of games, but lots of games sold under the radar, under top 10, with great sales through time compared to first months. It seems portable system have a much more pronounced tendency of selling games through time.
frankie_baby
Member
I know it was a diliberate descision my choice of words was simply making light of how stupid the desicion seems, the bottom hadnt really fallen out of the wii market there was just a severe lack of software released
frankie_baby
Member
Ah ok it just got a mention earlier in this thread, probably some site reporting old news again
Bruno MB
Member
Rayman Origins sold terribly bad on Wii (I thought it would be the best-selling version by a good margin), so maybe Sega wasn't so wrong not releasing Sonic Generations on Wii.
I'm probably a bit pessimistic towards the viability of portable console market, is that I'm so enthusiastic about those systems
It hurt me to see Resident Evil: Revelations flopping so hard.
I'm probably a bit pessimistic towards the viability of portable console market, is that I'm so enthusiastic about those systems
It hurt me to see Resident Evil: Revelations flopping so hard.
frankie_baby
Member
Rayman origins sold terribly bad full stop though
But past Sonic games sold well on Wii. Rayman Origins didn't light up the charts on the other consoles either.
nincompoop
Banned
...? The Wii version WAS the best selling version.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Again, I'm not necessarily saying Sega made the correct decision, but rather that it was obviously a calculated business decision rather than an oversight or omission.
But, Sega's case and yours are orthogonal. Sega, in making a decision about greenlighting a version or not, needed to project the state of the console markets a year or more in advance. Everyone knew the Wii was dropping off and would continue to drop off. Everyone knew that both the 360 and PS3 were getting more mature, robust userbases. There was a dedicated shift across the industry to start launching previously Wii-exclusive or Wii-targeted family content across all platforms. The question they had to ask themselves sometime in 2010 was: In Fall 2011, how much of an active userbase would the Wii still have?
To take an obviously ridiculous example, Sonic games sold very well on Sega Genesis. It would clearly be foolish to release a new Sonic game on Sega Genesis. This reflects the most obviously ridiculous example for illustrating the gap between previous software success and current software success (the latter is predicated on an active userbase). The Wii is, of course, not the Genesis.
One other thing I'd argue is that Sonic is a series that's generally a pretty consistent seller. Their business strategy is to make money long-term, over a few years. So Sega needed to not only project what sales would be like a year in advance, but also for the years after that.
For what it's worth, if the Wii version had sold a million copies full price and upfront, and cost nothing to port, produce or distribute, it wouldn't have changed Sega's loss into a gain, just lowered the magnitude of the loss.
I think their logic is sound. Their figures may not have been. I think you could pretty easily make the case that they could have done a port for cheap and got enough upfront sales to justify it. I think an ROI/longterm case would be a bit tougher. If Nintendo had done a little more to gracefully wind down the Wii in 2010/2011 (or if other third parties had not bailed quite so quickly) I think it'd be a different situation, so to some extent it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I only have November/December US data. For that period, Wii and 360 were tied (IE <1000 units separating the two). Not sure if the 2012 sales were better on Wii, or if worldwide the sales are more tipped.
Ah, I forgot I didn't use this graph.The future doesn't look any brighter for portable console systems
The decline there at the end is, I believe, entirely attributable to Pokémon launch last March with no correspondingly huge NDS/3DS game this March.
Judging by the current 3ds software sales, can we safely say Nintendo has a lock on must-buy-with-the-3ds-software? If so, are there any third party titles that could crack that spot? Right now, with Kart, 3dland, and Ocarina 3d, that's a pretty intimidating top 3 titles that I imagine are sucking up a lot of dollars. I think Ocarina 3d will probably drop out of the must buy, title, and end up selling more line with Mario 64 DS - that is, phenomenally well, but not one in the league of Kart DS or NSMB DS or a Pokemon.
If Third parties want to really succeed on 3DS, they need new AAA IPs. I don't think any non-Nintendo existing franchises will work that well on any handheld. They need something new, designed especially for the 3DS and advertise it.
Actually, I think the decision not to port Generations to the Wii was mostly due to a lack of resources.
The Sonic HD team has never done Wii development period. Sonic 06 wasn't released on the Wii and Unleashed was ported by Dimps. All Wii-exclusive Sonic games on the other hand were made by a different team altogether.
So, who should have done the porting? For one reason or another the HD team isn't doing Wii development, the Sonic Wii team is probably already working on a Sonic game for Wii U (Given the past sales of Sonic games on Nintendo platforms, I'm confident that Sega won't want to bring its flagship franchise too late on this particular console). The only studio that's left if Sega didn't want to give the franchise to yet another studio was Dimps -- and Dimps had its hands full with Sonic Generations 3DS, SFxT and Sonic 4.2.
The Sonic HD team has never done Wii development period. Sonic 06 wasn't released on the Wii and Unleashed was ported by Dimps. All Wii-exclusive Sonic games on the other hand were made by a different team altogether.
So, who should have done the porting? For one reason or another the HD team isn't doing Wii development, the Sonic Wii team is probably already working on a Sonic game for Wii U (Given the past sales of Sonic games on Nintendo platforms, I'm confident that Sega won't want to bring its flagship franchise too late on this particular console). The only studio that's left if Sega didn't want to give the franchise to yet another studio was Dimps -- and Dimps had its hands full with Sonic Generations 3DS, SFxT and Sonic 4.2.
frankie_baby
Member
How much time and effort though would it actually have taken to port the 3ds version over
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Ha, my god. I haven't heard this in years. I can't believe how long I've been posting here.
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