Count Dookkake
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Wow, that's not all that much more than it sells in Japan.
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NPD September 2012 Sales Results [Up2: Madden, Fixed 3DS Minimum]
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Wow, that's not all that much more than it sells in Japan.
storafötter
Member
I am kinda surprised that Starfox got sales increased. That means it is very likely that we are getting a sequel then.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
BF3 had that special edition with all the free DLC map packs. If COD did that too, theyd be there as well.
Looks like the Bordlerlands 2 number may be wrong.
NPD have only said that BL2 was 234% up on the original but it looks like somebody only took the 360 SKU (sales of 418k) and reached the 1.4m figure. Actual sales were 546k (across 360, PS3 and (physical) PC) which would give you 1.8m for Borderlands 2 if it was 234% up.
Blame this guy if it's wrong but if it's a great spot then it was all my own work.
NPD have only said that BL2 was 234% up on the original but it looks like somebody only took the 360 SKU (sales of 418k) and reached the 1.4m figure. Actual sales were 546k (across 360, PS3 and (physical) PC) which would give you 1.8m for Borderlands 2 if it was 234% up.
Blame this guy if it's wrong but if it's a great spot then it was all my own work.
Higher price points for top titles would probably be good for the industry overall, but it isn't going to happen.
NPD restated historical numbers when they got the Walmart and TRU data. All of the old NPD numbers have potentially changed.
I believe he has access to the full NPD data.
He recently said he hadn't access anymore, and that he was so stopping analysing VG data, starting new things, IIRC.
It can't be co-incidence that the 1.4m figure is exactly the right percentage above the 360k SKU number from the original NPD.
Looks like somebody just forgot to add in the PS3 and PC SKU when they extrapolated and all the other websites just copied the original incorrect figure.
I think he regained access to the data again, though. Pretty sure he made mention of that last month or so.
MasterSheen
Member
storafötter;43131928 said:
5k > 7k is still an increase.
CadetMahoney
Member
sony PR?
No, but it would have been something like this:
"PS Vita ecosystem is growing with LBP and Madden leading the way. Judging Vita sales before Christmas is preposterous and you should be ashamed for doing so. We have great stuff coming in the future for the PlayStation brand."
MasterSheen
Member
There.
It doesn't match exactly. The old 418K number x 334% is 1,396K. The new number is 1.48M.
Yeah just like in March 11 when Wii got a price cut and in August last year when PS3 got a price cut, oh wait ... lol
$99 would not catapult Wii from 60k to 270k
metalslimer
Member
I don't think Nintendo will even officially drop to 99. The money they lose from doing it will probably not be made up in the amount of sales they get back. The profits they would make from the Wii at 99 can't be all that much.
Well, the +234% is from NPD
Borderlands 2, with its bazillion guns-a-blazing, exceeded the first months unit sales of the first game which launched in October 2009 by 234%," said NPD analyst Anita Frazier.
But I take the point that you still can't get to 1.48m from the 360 SKU. However, I thought the only "hard" number we had was from the NPD quote above. Isn't the 1.48m just a (seemingly incorrect) extrapolation? Or do you have the actual NPD numbers straight from the horses mouth?
If you want to shrink the market and set yourself up for future erosion then yes, you're right.
CadetMahoney
Member
afaik nothing at all.
They should at least have one word every month. like Momentum, Stride. . .
Increased margins --> Increased investment --> Better games --> More games sold
The cycle is ugly going the other way.
Yeah, because a meaningless price drop in a slow quarter is the same as dropping to 99.99 in the busiest and most important shopping period, right?
Jim Riley apparently has access to NPD sales, as he has provided sales a few times in the past. But maybe he did just try to make an extrapolation and got it all wrong this time.
Someone should try to confirming with him or NPD.
Petrae
Member
Sadly, I no longer have access to monthly snapshots. My NPD contact and I parted ways a few weeks ago; I've been focusing on school (first semester since 1991), though I've continued to contribute some writing and analysis when time allows.
So... I'm now an Armchair Analyst in the strictest sense of the term, just like many of the rest of you here. I'm back to waiting for hopeful leaks and making my analysis based on what limited data that we're all privy to.
It was great seeing the numbers while it lasted. It's unfortunate that more of the data isn't public, because it's some fascinating stuff. Kudos to all of you who have been doing these calculations and extrapolations on your own.
Now... back to the thread at large.
JohnnySasaki86
Member
PS3 numbers? i'm assuming its around 200k? or a little more?
Not necessarily. At least early in a new generation, early adopters buy the newness anyway, and usually demand exceeds supply anyway. When this situation changes, you can always stop the downporting with some PR fluff like "now this isn´t possible on the old hardware anymore" or so.
We only know between 200k-250k
So, the 40% drop for PS3 YoY it's not based on inside information?
I'd say it's more than 40%, I doubt Wii is 65k the same as last month, probably got some sort of boost being a 5 week month, given it didn't fall that harshly from July to August.
In case anyone's interest, this is what I have for LTD (assuming the split is 200k PS3, 80k Wii this month)
Wii - 39.78m
360 - 35.05m
PS3 - 21.85m
PS2 - 46.15m
Should really keep track of Vita and 3DS, so difficult with limited numbers though :\
Petrae
Member
Knowing that PS3 sold 373,000 units last year and then using creamsugar's unit sales range, somewhere around -40% is about right.
Steve Gibson
Neo Member
NPD announces their top 10 estimate the week prior to releasing the full data to standard "DecisionKey" NPD subscribers.
Top 10 software estimate? Is that what used to be released on the Tuesday before or is there still a Tuesday before top-level summary, too?
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I dunno, the Xbox versions of Kameo and PD0 were pretty close to finished but I think releasing them alongside the 360 versions would've definitely damaged the machine's reputation given how close they were (remember "Xbox 1.5"?). Kameo especially was basically the same game on 360 but running at 720p with some nicer lighting.
redblack85
Member
but Sony platform???no number, no statement?
iirc they haven't given numbers for over a year.
likedamaster
Member
If I know better, the many enemies on screen for Kameo couldn't be done on original xbox. It was touted as an xbox360 only feature or what have you. Great game, that looked and played just as good.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Out of the blue, it looks like the 360 US price drop is real, without so much as a press release from MS.
Obviously this changes the reality of 360 hw predictions for this fall, as retailers will be offering bundles/discounts on top of the $50 reduction.
Obviously this changes the reality of 360 hw predictions for this fall, as retailers will be offering bundles/discounts on top of the $50 reduction.
October will be v interesting, perhaps the first time 360 breaks the 50% marketshare barrier.
metalslimer
Member
That Xbox pricedrop looks even worse for Sony when you can get a 360 and Kinect for the same price as the cheapest PS3 in America.
The difference for me is PS3 without Move but decent storage vs. Xbox with tiny storage and Kinect. I personally would prefer the former but can see a lot of folks going for the latter.
Sho_Nuff82
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frankie_baby
Member
I don't see this cut actually increasing overall 360 sales much though, I'd expect just more people getting the more expensive packs now they're cheaper
It will. It's just the Kinect bundles, I think, so it may just be a way for Microsoft to clear out some overflow for the old model in their warehouses before Kinect 2.0 comes in with 720, though.
Edit:
Both Kinect bundles, but also the 250 GB standalone model. Basically, everything but their lowest priced system (i.e. Arcade) and special editions. Maybe they don't want to go lower for the entry point (until BF/Christimas runup), but are willing to take less profit on the higher margin consoles to help sales?
Current cheapest is $249 for a 160Gb PS3.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
I'm glad that it's outselling MW3, not that BF3 is a good game, but the current Call of Duty games are garbage.
Here's hoping that Blops 2 bombs relative to the hype of the series & previous entries.
Kidding right? Course it'll increase sales.
@ donny, even Halo edition is cut, it's just 4GB, my betting is they want a big $149 presence on BF.