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So where was it that you were homophobic? Banning because of disagreements or ideas is so awful my god

Dont remember the thread, the "homophobic" accusation got me a temporary bann 1-2 weeks and a warning, after I asked another user if he wanted the mass migration to Sweden to continue, that's when I was hit with the perma ban and they accused me of "Xenophobia"
 

caffeware

Banned
Anyway, for all this time I have feeling of wearing a tinfoil hat, but never outright said it to anyone, but somehow it always felt like the fallout was more or less organized, considering how quickly it all happened. Does anyone else feel like there was more than met the eye going on in the background?

The complete truth will come with time.

I know some of the old mods wanted to sabotage the site's success.

But I'd always been surprised that all the mods left like if there were no history between them an EL
My suspicion is that some of the new mods are the old ones with different usernames. They probably have dual accounts here and there.

Take for instance Kagari (which overall was cool); she was in the initial list of RE's mods. She quickly was dropped at about the same time this site re-opened. Never heard of her since.
 

Kadayi

Banned
I'm fascinated at this notion that people are wholly their past and that they should never be given any quarter when it comes to personal growth and change as an individual, coupled with this idea that anyone whose viewpoint on a subject is in any way sympatico with theirs inherently absorbs some stain of complicity as a result.
 
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Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
My suspicion is that some of the new mods are the old ones with different usernames.
But what would the use of changing usernames be? Why keep it a secret if a mod remained mod after the split?
 

Arkos

Nose how to spell and rede to
Just don’t turn into a circle-jerk like Era currently is. They’re not perfect, we’re not perfect.
 

longdi

Banned

Hudo

Member
Just don’t turn into a circle-jerk like Era currently is. They’re not perfect, we’re not perfect.
Agreed. But at least we're not doxxing anyone or trying to get anyone fired. That shit is downright despicable.
 

TDLink

Member
This is a cross-post from the other RE thread that I actually meant to post here:

Long time Gaf/Era user here. I just want to say that the vast majority of people on Resetera aren't bad, just like the vast majority of people on old Gaf weren't bad. I totally get why the loud and obnoxious majority ruins it for the rest though. I'm frankly getting pretty tired of the ridiculous moderation (I've been warned and temp banned there for very in-offensive differences in opinion). One such instance included giving genuine insight into my profession, but since that apparently was seen as discriminatory for just explaining from an informed place how things worked, it caught me a ban. That was a few months ago and kind of "Woke me up" to the fact that something was wrong. The ridiculousness of the last few days really just put the ugliness out on full display.

At the end of the day I am tired of the endless political discussion and viewpoints being injected in every damn conversation. I just want to talk about video games and movies and tv shows. You know, entertainment. Assuredly the prime reason any of us were attracted to a video game enthusiast forum to begin with.

And I do it simply because that place is much more active. So I tolerate the ridiculous echo chamber mentality and stay out of political threads and straight up avoid engaging in anything remotely political now. Really just stick to the video game and other entertainment stuff. Because it's not worth it to walk on eggshells. Unfortunately, even a post like this venting my frustrations would likely catch me a ban on Resetera. And I hate that. I do kind of hope the traffic comes back here so I could really just engage over here again, but as long as the high activity remains there, that's basically where my focus is going to be.

I think there's a lot of people posting over there versus here that are a lot like me.
 

Tapioca

Banned
You would think that but there have been multiple times where a poster says their dad/friend/whatever is a Trump supporter, they go to that community for advice and it’s basically “cut all ties!” They’ve conditioned themselves to think they’re normal.

If they banned friends/family from their life the way people are banned over there they would literally have no one to talk to. So they are either full of shit or have zero social life.
 
The problem with old GAF and ERA now is the power mad trannies. End of.

In the real world, I sympathise with transgender people who just want to live their life. Absolutely no issue with that. I genuinely believe some people really feel they've been born the wrong gender and if they want to change that, awesome, more power to you, not hurting anyone, live on as you will.

On GAF / ERA / Twitter though? Fuck me. The biggest bunch of cunts you would ever meet.

I truly hope that all regular trans folk think these bunch of lunatics are as mental as we do, because I genuinely believe the way these people act online is hurting the transgender movement.

Even knowing these folks don't really represent the trans community as a whole, it's made me more anti-trans, just because they're 99% of my exposure to trans people. How terrible is that?

I also don't know how trans people can make up such a TINY fraction of society, yet be so overwhelmingly common on GAF/ERA etc.

Get rid of those lunatics and all problems end.
 

royox

Member
Just don’t turn into a circle-jerk like Era currently is. They’re not perfect, we’re not perfect.

Hey Gaf may not be perfect but at least you can say out loud you don't want a Female Link in the next zelda entry without being banned for Transphobic-false equivalence-Drive-by
 
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Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
With that presented. I have come to the conclusion that Nazis no longer exist since they lost the war. Aside from the wannabe Neo Nazis.
Certain people using Nazi in blanket statements about the entirety of a forum is just ridiculous and lazy.
You do realise that when people use the word "Nazi" to refer to a person currently alive, they almost in all instances do not mean people who were members of the NSDAP - unsurprisingly, because it has been 73 years since that party was dissolved. Even if someone alive today was a member of the NSDAP (I mean, I know some people still live who were) we are talking membership in childhood / teen years or very early adult years, likely after 10 years of nazi propaganda. In this usage the word does not have much value anymore for currently alive people.

However, even though the party does not exist in name anymore, there are a lot of people who adhere to similar or the same line of thought. Which is why the term Nazi has been extended in meaning to also mean people who are not formally part of the NSDAP, but who share the same ideology (though of course adapted to modern days). So people like Tommy Robinson, the nazi protesters in eastern Germany recently, Lutz Bachmann (head of Pegida) or Bernd Höcke (prominent right extremist from the German far-right AfD). And yes, there are sympathisers of Nazis of the non-formal kind in this forum. I just hope that moderation is not aware of what kind of movement was supported recently in the thread about the violent Nazi protesters from Germany recently.

Hey Gaf may not be perfect but at least you can say out loud you don't want a Female Link in the next zelda entry without being banned for Transphobic-Drive-by
EviLore EviLore may ask you why you want to gender-bend Link, though:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sorry-nintendo-weve-decided-that-link-is-officially-a-girl.1073120/
 
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royox

Member
The problem with old GAF and ERA now is the power mad trannies. End of.

In the real world, I sympathise with transgender people who just want to live their life. Absolutely no issue with that. I genuinely believe some people really feel they've been born the wrong gender and if they want to change that, awesome, more power to you, not hurting anyone, live on as you will.

On GAF / ERA / Twitter though? Fuck me. The biggest bunch of cunts you would ever meet.

I truly hope that all regular trans folk think these bunch of lunatics are as mental as we do, because I genuinely believe the way these people act online is hurting the transgender movement.

Even knowing these folks don't really represent the trans community as a whole, it's made me more anti-trans, just because they're 99% of my exposure to trans people. How terrible is that?

I also don't know how trans people can make up such a TINY fraction of society, yet be so overwhelmingly common on GAF/ERA etc.

Get rid of those lunatics and all problems end.
I've seen era mods banning trans people that weren't on their side.
 

llien

Member
However, even though the party does not exist in name anymore, there are a lot of people who adhere to similar or the same line of thought.
While people of that kind do exist, most of the time I see the term used as a slur.
And I find the fact that you are reluctant to demonstrate actual examples of "nazi sympathizing" rather frustrating.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
While people of that kind do exist, most of the time I see the term used as a slur.
And I find the fact that you are reluctant to demonstrate actual examples of "nazi sympathizing" rather frustrating.
As I said, Nobody_Important Nobody_Important did a good job pointing the early examples out in the respective thread. I also reported the most egregious case to the moderators, but they obviously did not agree.
 
As I said, Nobody_Important Nobody_Important did a good job

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Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Upon hearing this convincing argument, I have no other choice than to retract my statement and state the contrary: Of course, Nazi sympathisers are non-existent here. It has been proven scientologically after all.
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
Tbh I'd say nobody_important is jumping straight to the worst possible interpretation of the posts - given that not all protesters were nazi (and indeed it's likely only a small number were). So, no, probably not supporting public attacks on immigrants, probably just supporting people getting on the street to protest something their government is doing. Feel free to prove me wrong. I will say that John Lee Packard's post is a bit much, but again N_I has rather made an assumption of a round em up policy when the post is simply saying people should not have been let in, it's not saying get rid of those who are present as far as I can tell. The post is unsavoury to me, and I disagree with much of it, but it's not nazi.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Tbh I'd say nobody_important is jumping straight to the worst possible interpretation of the posts - given that not all protesters were nazi (and indeed it's likely only a small number were). So, no, probably not supporting public attacks on immigrants, probably just supporting people getting on the street to protest something their government is doing. Feel free to prove me wrong. I will say that John Lee Packard's post is a bit much, but again N_I has rather made an assumption of a round em up policy when the post is simply saying people should not have been let in, it's not saying get rid of those who are present as far as I can tell. The post is unsavoury to me, and I disagree with much of it, but it's not nazi.
Sorry, when someone says stuff like "Get your country back!", all interpretation that does not point to right extremism is rather curious. That's NPD (NSDAP successor party) jargon, no conservative party in Germany would say such a thing and even in the faaaaaar right party AfD this would probably be controversial.
 

llien

Member
It's the second post of nobody_important on the first page of the thread...

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/germany-reels-as-far-right-mobs-go-on-rampage.1465157/#post-253417491

Thanks, now I see why we have such a different perception of it.
As someone who migrated to Germany and clearly looking "not German" and a likely target for the Chemnitz mob, had I been then there, let me tell you that:

1) large part of the population is against demographic landscape shattering migration, I'd dare to say, most Germans are
2) many have much more practical concerns about basic safety, which, as most perceive it, has worsened since the migrant crisis

That's nationalism (how healthy it is, is arguable) with its roots in tribalism (as many other things), but certainly not "nazism" for me, which is, of course, merely an opinion, not a fact.

Sorry, when someone says stuff like "Get your country back!", all interpretation that does not point to right extremism is rather curious. That's NPD (NSDAP successor party) jargon, no conservative party in Germany would say such a thing and even in the faaaaaar right party AfD this would probably be controversial.
There is an open conflict between CDU and CSU, with the latter taking harsh anti-migration stance. That's not a far right party by any means.

PS
I suggest we continue this discussion in corresponding thread, if there is desire to continue it, that is.
 
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Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
That's nationalism (how healthy it is, is arguable) with its roots in tribalism (as many other things), but certainly not "nazism" for me, which is, of course, merely an opinion, not a fact.
Nationalism is a fundamental part of Nazism, in fact, there is a reason "Nationalsozialismus" starts with "national".
There is an open conflict between CDU and CSU, with the latter taking harsh anti-migration stance. That's not a far right party by any means.
CSU is the furthest to the right party that still is within democratic norms. And even they, while harder on migration (harder than is acceptable from my point of view), would not say something like "take back your country". If any politician in the CSU was to say that, it would be political suicide, for good reason.
 

llien

Member
I think there's a lot of people posting over there versus here that are a lot like me.
The question is, why did non-ideologically motivated people, if there is a huge number of them, mass leave in the first place?
Are users creating most of the content and people creating disliked "echo chamber" perhaps the same individuals?
 

Cato

Banned
I'm afraid GAF, I'm afraid that these crazies will implode and return here. This forum might be slower moving compared to its peak (but much better compared to last year btw) but holy shit, especially now with the politics subsection this is such a cool, fun and laid back community. This might sound like a ridiculous, even funny standard but not one person tried to witchhunt here for months or look into my post history for evidence of wrongthink. This is how bad things were.

I know you guys like making fun of resetera but it serves an invaluable purpose now, it keeps all the nutjobs committed to that place, you guys might dislike that site but I wholeheartedly support it for that reason. Long live resetera!

If you are old enough to remember UseNet,
resetera is what *.*.*.advocacy was for usenet forums.

And yes, you are right. It serves a valuable purpose.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
The question is, why did non-ideologically motivated people, if there is a huge number of them, mass leave in the first place?
Are users creating most of the content and people creating disliked "echo chamber" perhaps the same individuals?
As someone who also went to Resetera (though never fully left NeoGAF), the reason is that many great posters with similar interests in games, like e.g. M maxcriden , daTRUballin daTRUballin or @Jackstin (and many more!) went there. And I miss them around here very much. On ResetEra, I could have good discussions about Rare platformers or Sonic games (despite the usual trolling for both), for instance, which are probably near impossible here now. I did not go to Resetera for ideological reasons, even though, considering they are typically regarded as far left, I should be very compatible ideologically (left wing of the German greens or right wing of the German lefts, I'm probably in the 15% left most part of German population).
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
Sorry, when someone says stuff like "Get your country back!", all interpretation that does not point to right extremism is rather curious. That's NPD (NSDAP successor party) jargon, no conservative party in Germany would say such a thing and even in the faaaaaar right party AfD this would probably be controversial.

It's not a phrase I like, but to me that doesn't immediately shout nazi - I don't see that as saying "let's go out and put all the foreigners in gas chambers". I suspect you may be falling into the same trap as the other chap and interpreting everything in the worst possible light. As llien points out, there are a fair number of people who aren't loving the massive demographic-changing migration, and that's understandable. Any mass migration will have effects, positive and negative, and frankly when it's from warzones where law and order hasn't been a thing for a long time those effects are more likely to be negative. It's something that requires a mature conversation but any attempt to do so tends to be shouted down with cries of "racist" and "nazi", so in the end it just becomes a slanging match.
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
Yoshi Yoshi - re the left - don't forget that there are different kinds of left. I'm pretty left-wing, an old-fashioned socialist, economically. I believe in helping the poor as they're the guys most vulnerable in the world today, the people who need most support. I would argue that our SJW friends are far from left wing, especially given most of them have a pretty serious disdain for the working classes (after all they're just the thickos who voted for brexit - burn them at the stake). They are not left wing, they just use the left as human shields in the same way they use the LBGTQ community.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
It's not a phrase I like, but to me that doesn't immediately shout nazi - I don't see that as saying "let's go out and put all the foreigners in gas chambers".
Most Nazis in 1933-1945 also did not put foreigners in gas chambers, they just enabled the heads of the party to escalate it that much. In fact, gasing people was mostly under wraps and portrayed as isolating unwanted groups (hence the name concentration camp) because even among Nazis, this specific treatment would not have been entirely well-regarded. Keep in mind that gasing was instated also because the (super indoctrinated) Nazi officers who did the shootings before had a hard time dealing with their own cruelty and the suffering at display. Gasing was more efficient precisely because of how absurd the systematic killing was.

I don't see "nazis" there. Maybe some dose of xenophobia.
By your meaning of "nazis" most of the USA are Nazis and Trump is a Nazi.
Most of the USA? I doubt that. Trump is dangerously close at times.
 

Snoopycat

Banned
It should be pretty clear that he/she is trying to understand your position on things and where you are coming from.
That's the thing about having a discussion, you need to talk back and forth and not just try shut people down immediately with labels and run for the hills.

Uh no. We're not discussing quantum physics here. We're discussing Nazi scum. There's no need to "understand" my position. It is perfectly clear. Nazi scum like Tommy Robinson have no place in a civilized society.

The thing about having a discussion is there's no point in having that discussion if someone is only interested in diverting or downplaying the subject rather than looking at it honestly.

Here's a perfect example of the kind of dishonesty I'm talking about -

"not just try shut people down immediately with labels and run for the hills."
 

llien

Member
As someone who also went to Resetera (though never fully left NeoGAF), the reason is that many great posters with similar interests in games, like e.g. M maxcriden , daTRUballin daTRUballin or @Jackstin (and many more!) went there. And I miss them around here very much. On ResetEra, I could have good discussions about Rare platformers or Sonic games (despite the usual trolling for both), for instance, which are probably near impossible here now. I did not go to Resetera for ideological reasons, even though, considering they are typically regarded as far left, I should be very compatible ideologically (left wing of the German greens or right wing of the German lefts, I'm probably in the 15% left most part of German population).
Thanks, that's very interesting. Makes me wonder why did those users leave and whether that was ideological for them/whether they support the way "other side" is moderated.
 
We do have people rooting for German Neonazis rioting and using the Hitler salute because of one immigrant murderer, stating stuff like "take your country back" or people going on and on about the genetic inferiority of black people in terms of intelligence, so the original claim of "whether you feel better surrounding yourself with feminazis or actual nazis" has some validity to it. Of course it is always difficult to find the right line to draw and even though the line in terms of racism is drawn later than I can appreciate around here at the moment, I do think it is better to be too lenient than to be too strict in terms of moderation.

Please show someone rooting for Neo-Nazis rioting and for using the Hitler salute in a non-comedic context. Please show it. Otherwise you're in very deep water, attacking members of the site itself.

Nobody_Important Nobody_Important did a good job in that particular thread already.

It's the second post of nobody_important on the first page of the thread...

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/germany-reels-as-far-right-mobs-go-on-rampage.1465157/#post-253417491

Very lazy of you Yoshi. Nobody_important presumes way too much in that post and assumes too much on the part of the posters. First of all, there's no apparent direct support of the violence in the posts he quotes, merely an acknowledgment of the protest. One of the posts clearly is talking about speech even.

Sorry, when someone says stuff like "Get your country back!", all interpretation that does not point to right extremism is rather curious. That's NPD (NSDAP successor party) jargon, no conservative party in Germany would say such a thing and even in the faaaaaar right party AfD this would probably be controversial.

Sorry, but if you're talking about "Take your country back!" then it's a sign of schisms in society, in where someone feels that their country is being taken from them somehow. Sure, you might point to right extremist using it, but that's because it's a way to appeal to an existing sentiment and a consequence of demographic changes, cultural clashes and a sense of national identity. It's also an anti-establishment sentiment, bordering between a mix of worry and xenophobia and as well as alienation within society itself. So you're thinking about it wrong, right extremists use it because it appeals to a simple and understandable sentiment. That it correlates with right extremist groups and is used as a marketing term by them, that I of course agree with. "Take your country back"-like sentiments are far older and some of them have been used by left-wing groups as well.

However, even though the party does not exist in name anymore, there are a lot of people who adhere to similar or the same line of thought. Which is why the term Nazi has been extended in meaning to also mean people who are not formally part of the NSDAP, but who share the same ideology (though of course adapted to modern days). So people like Tommy Robinson, the nazi protesters in eastern Germany recently, Lutz Bachmann (head of Pegida) or Bernd Höcke (prominent right extremist from the German far-right AfD). And yes, there are sympathisers of Nazis of the non-formal kind in this forum. I just hope that moderation is not aware of what kind of movement was supported recently in the thread about the violent Nazi protesters from Germany recently.

Please tell me how Tommy Robinson is a nazi. I looked at his wikipedia article and it really isn't portraying him as such. Looked up Lutz Bachmann, no connection to nazism there either. Björn Höcke, no nazism the either. At best I would imagine the word you're looking for is xenophobic or anti-Islam or anti-multiculturalism/monoculturalist.
I think you confuse what the ideology of NSDAP was. Anti-immigration sentiments, concerns of national culture, divisions in society, etc. Most of it's too general and it even overlaps with minority concerns, which also have had a forefront to secure the "nation". You see this in sentiments from the small Sami minority in Norway, where concerns for the nation of the Sami and protecting what's Sami was expressed as they were being Norwegianized. You also have the cultural worry on the left in regards to capitalist and America, that has also been a sign of cultural worry. There's a big danger trying to connect general ideas that overlap across the political spectrum, with nazism.
The burden is currently on you to point out someone as a clear nazi and pointing out to a sympathizer here on the board. If you're extending the definition of nazi to mean "anyone I want to perceive as one", then you're looking pretty ridiculous.

The tendency to use "nazi" as a way to distract from discussion is a disconcerting one. Point to someone clearly supporting neo-nazis if you want, then I could understand, but if you need more and more footnotes and asterix and a long line of weak correlation based argument, then you're looking pretty wack. One could easily be ridiculous and point to the various sympathizers of black supremacists, violent revolutionaries, communists, segregationists, racists on ResetEra, but unless you show a direct example that's not refutable, I'm not going to argue that because "% of ResetEra users might sympathize with maybe (x)ist/ies, that means it's not a place someone should be at because of that". That's just ridiculous.

EDIT: To add, there's a clear non-acceptance of neo-nazis, holocaust deniers and white supremacists here, as evidenced by the ban lists.
 
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pel1300

Member
The problem with old GAF and ERA now is the power mad trannies. End of.

In the real world, I sympathise with transgender people who just want to live their life. Absolutely no issue with that. I genuinely believe some people really feel they've been born the wrong gender and if they want to change that, awesome, more power to you, not hurting anyone, live on as you will.

On GAF / ERA / Twitter though? Fuck me. The biggest bunch of cunts you would ever meet.

I truly hope that all regular trans folk think these bunch of lunatics are as mental as we do, because I genuinely believe the way these people act online is hurting the transgender movement.

Even knowing these folks don't really represent the trans community as a whole, it's made me more anti-trans, just because they're 99% of my exposure to trans people. How terrible is that?

I also don't know how trans people can make up such a TINY fraction of society, yet be so overwhelmingly common on GAF/ERA etc.

Get rid of those lunatics and all problems end.

I totally echo these statements. I'm also a longtime NeoGaf member and have been reading RESETERA for the past year.

I'm still generally left on most issues...and I have always been that way...but jesus...the hostility and "If you aren't with us, you're against us!" mentality there just makes me feel turned off from the extremely liberal millenials....and I hate that I feel that way..I know it's not logical, but I can't help but just sometimes think "Ugh...their attitude kind of makes me identify as an independent" even though I know they don't represent the majority of the left.

The sad thing is I was starting to think it was just me...and that maybe I was becoming more conservative with age.
 

nkarafo

Member
Most Nazis in 1933-1945 also did not put foreigners in gas chambers, they just enabled the heads of the party to escalate it that much.
On the opposite side of the spectrum, people who support mass immigration without any sort of regulation also enable some things to escalate. Should we label everyone who support this as ISIS then?
 

bitbydeath

Member
Uh no. We're not discussing quantum physics here. We're discussing Nazi scum. There's no need to "understand" my position. It is perfectly clear. Nazi scum like Tommy Robinson have no place in a civilized society.

The thing about having a discussion is there's no point in having that discussion if someone is only interested in diverting or downplaying the subject rather than looking at it honestly.

Here's a perfect example of the kind of dishonesty I'm talking about -

"not just try shut people down immediately with labels and run for the hills."

You need to learn to post better and stop thinking you are better than everyone else.

It’s been seen time and again that postings like yours are projectings so it’s really not a good look.
 

Snoopycat

Banned
You need to learn to post better and stop thinking you are better than everyone else.

It’s been seen time and again that postings like yours are projectings so it’s really not a good look.

Ah, the old "Well, I just rushed into a thread, got demolished and I have no counter so I'll just throw out some desperate insults." tactic.
 

Cunth

Fingerlickin' Good!
You should just converse normally instead of starting all your posts with 'ah the old so and so tactic'. It just makes you sound aggressive from the outset.
 

Michele

you.
Late to party I know, but we've been expecting that for months now, and now they finally admit that the site is bad.

I have been banned there, and that place is shit. Now that they are finally admitting they want GAF back...

It's about time Reeeeera takes an hit. Let them know that our place is better and safer...
 
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Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Thanks, that's very interesting. Makes me wonder why did those users leave and whether that was ideological for them/whether they support the way "other side" is moderated.
I know the answer to the first for two of those peolple, but it is through private conversation; I think it is safe to say that the atmosphere around here at the time of the shift and the allegations against Evilore played a role, but for more detail, they'd have to state it themselves. I do not know their opinion on current moderation of Resetera.
On the opposite side of the spectrum, people who support mass immigration without any sort of regulation also enable some things to escalate. Should we label everyone who support this as ISIS then?
I cannot remember anyone rooting for completely unregulated immigration. ISIS would not be a good comparison though, since ISIS has no well known stance on immigration and is actually a movement to establish a separate state with strict religious rules You could call them anarchists within reason though. Or extreme liberals (with the European freedom-interpretation of liberal rather than the US way of saying social democrat).

Please tell me how Tommy Robinson is a nazi.
@snoopycat has done just this above.
Very lazy of you Yoshi. Nobody_important presumes way too much in that post and assumes too much on the part of the posters. First of all, there's no apparent direct support of the violence in the posts he quotes, merely an acknowledgment of the protest. One of the posts clearly is talking about speech even.
I cannot see this as lazy, why would I need to point out the same postings again if someone else has done this already? I agree with his valuation.
Anti-immigration sentiments, concerns of national culture, divisions in society, etc.
Then tell me, what are the defining features of nazism other than
- Xenophobia
- Nationalism
- self-elevation based on heritage
I mean, OK, you could add the social aspect of Nazism, where the NSDAP still had some aspects of social security in its program, whereas modern right extremists often adopt a neoliberal stance on fiscal issues, but since the minor social security advancements hardly are the issue most people have with the NSDAP, this is pretty much a moot point.
Let's cite Mr. Bachmann, now, who felt good about posting this picture of his:
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„Na dann sollte er wissen was für Viehzeug hier wirklich ankommt.“
"Then he should know what kind of cattle really comes here."

„ach und du glaubst der presse wenn sie um mitleid für das gelumpe heischt... (...) wie sich dieses dreckspack benimmt (...) vor dem viehzeug zu schützen (...) UND NEIN, ES GIBT KEINE ECHTEN KRIEGSFLÜCHTLINGE! Wer sich die Überfahrt/Transport leisten kann nach Europa gehört NACHWEISLICH nicht zu den wirklich bedrohten!“
"oh and you believe it when the press asks for pity for that trash... (...) how this filthy bunch behaves (...) protect from this cattle (...) AND NO, THERE ARE NO ACTUAL WAR REFUGEES! Whoever can pay for the transit to Europe is EVIDENTLY not endangered."

Höcke is more educated than Bachmann, so he chooses more civil wordings, but he often gives interviews to the Junge Freiheit (Nazi newspaper), complains about Holocaust memorials, calling them "memorials of shame", asks for a more nuanced view on Hitler, demands a 180° change in terms of remembering our (Germany) history.

We are talking three full-on nazis here.
 

Michele

you.
Late to party I know, but we've been expecting that for months now, and now they finally admit that the site is bad.

I have been banned there, and that place is shit. Now that they are finally admitting they want GAF back...

It's about time Reeeeera takes an hit. Let them know that our place is better and safer...

Oh, and it's a matter of time unill someone complains on Resetera forums about that site being shit.

That forum is shit, and I don't wish to be involved with that anymore.

inb4 User banned (permanent): Downplaying, racist post, dismissing opinions, cross-forum drama
 
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Snoopycat

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You should just converse normally instead of starting all your posts with 'ah the old so and so tactic'. It just makes you sound aggressive from the outset.

Yes, you're quite right. We musn't hurt the feelings of people who go into threads with the deliberate intention of handwaving, downplaying and excusing fascism. Instead, we should be encouraging their wilfull ignorance and indulging them. That will make the forum a better place won't it.
 

888

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One does not need to be a Nazi to do that stuff. Those times were dark and harsh in general. Domestic abuse and family violence were common, especially in the countryside. If you had 10 kids to feed especially.
I was told that one of my ultraconservative greatgrandfathers tried to set his son on fire during a heated argument. Another killed his son with one blow and went unpunished. He also took part in the Greek-Turkish war in 1920s and out of anger slaughtered a prisoner with his gun blade.
The irony is that the former saved the latters life. He fell off a cliff and there was no doctor in the region. He carried the injured person home, slaughtered one of his male goats and covered him with the raw skin for disinfinfection. Thar was not an easy thing to do back then

Very true. Just pointing out that I have met an actual Nazi and he gave 0 shits about actual violence unlike what everybody likes to call Nazi now. Like what you said those were hard times, hearing some of the stories from both the German side and US side of things in that time, I would have hated to live during the War.
 

888

Member
Uh no. We're not discussing quantum physics here. We're discussing Nazi scum. There's no need to "understand" my position. It is perfectly clear. Nazi scum like Tommy Robinson have no place in a civilized society.

The thing about having a discussion is there's no point in having that discussion if someone is only interested in diverting or downplaying the subject rather than looking at it honestly.

Here's a perfect example of the kind of dishonesty I'm talking about -

"not just try shut people down immediately with labels and run for the hills."

So I’m still confused. Is he Nazi scum or he is not the definitive line to compare a Nazi. Because you have now said he is Nazi Scum and that he wasn’t comparable to a Nazi.

Sounds like you are doing a lot of diverting talk while also not being clear and changing your stance on if the guy is Nazi Scum or a guy with some bad Nazi tendencies that isn’t the definitive line for Nazi.

Just to be clear, I am not a huge Tommy fan so I’m not defending the guy, just trying to find out on your Nazi scale where the guy ranks.
 
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