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'We had a wedding ceremony in his bedroom': Michael Jackson accuser reveals he 'married the singer when he was ten!

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gamerMan

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Really telling that you didn't even mention the guy who said he'd accuse me of rape. I don't want to be banned but this is a hill I'm willing to die on.

I hate these crucifixions by social media because if you don't go along with everybody, people resort to name calling. Can't people have free thought anymore or does everybody have to go along with the masses? For some people the circumstantial evidence in this case, testimony, and Jackson's behavior is enough. For others, it is not.

For me, I don't need any physical evidence . Michael Jackson was with hundreds of children. The documentary paints Michael Jackson as a serial pedophile who replaced boys every 12 months. I think if this documentary has any legs, sadly, we will start to see more children come out. It's going to be like the Cosby and R. Kelly. That's actually the premise of the documentary: Michael Jackson Ran the 'Most Sophisticated Child Sexual Abuse' Operation in History.

In Dan Reed's own words: "“There’s going to be a lot of #MeToo after this. We just have to wait and see how quickly that happens”.

It's not been a long time, but so far crickets. Actually, no. Families are coming out and defending Michael. I think by the end of this year we will know for sure.
 
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VulcanRaven

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another inconsistency found...



Safechuck claims he had sex with MJ at the train station, problem is the train station wasnt built until 1993. but in the lawsuit he claims the abuse was from 88 to 92

the train driver says the construction was done mid 93


These guys are not very believable. Too many inconsistencies.
 
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Sentenza

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funny how memory works that after 30 years these guys were able to remember every scene, what they were thinking, what michael was saying, and how they were feeling every time they were molested. Even though they insist it wasnt traumatic so it doesnt even get to use traumatic memory components.
Jesus Christ, that may be the stupidest argument in this thread yet. Which is quite an accomplishment, given the large amount of half truths and absolute made-up bullshit you people are throwing in to prove your idiotic point with defending a serial rapist.

Do you have any ACTUAL memories on your own?
You speak as if you have no familiarity with how a brain works, if not by hearsay.

I can remember in detail a conversations I had at night with my brother when we were children talking about what our future would be growing up; I couldn't tell you in what year that exactly happened, let alone the month.
I can tell you of the first time "I did something dirty" with a girl when I was in kindergarten, while hiding from our teachers in a toy kitchen, and how I enjoyed it and at the same time felt guilty about it for months. And still today I couldn't tell you who she was exactly and what she looked like if my life depended on it. Nor who the teachers were, for all that matters.
I remember when the daughter of some family friends slept in our house when we were very little and how we secretly touched each other under the sheets when everyone else was sleeping. But I have no idea in what year that happened.

You seem to assume people tend to remember all things with the same amount of effort and that the amount of time passing is supposed to be the only discrimination, when that's not true at all.
Little details that are important to us stuck in our memories for the entire life and all the rest becomes a vague indistinct shape or get forgotten entirely barely weeks later, let alone years or decades.
People are also constantly confident about remembering things "right" and actually getting the details wrong all the goddamn times (i.e. A: "It was during my niece baptism!" B: "Nope, that happened at your sister's wedding"). Which doesn't mean the core of the episode they remember is entirely false.

It's borderline retarded some of the shit people are doing when they "debunk details" as being gifted "Thriller original jacket".
"He's a liar because the original is in a museum". Well, who gives a shit? He probably thought it was the one, as a kid?
Hell, maybe MJ himself straight up lied to him about it. It wouldn't really be surprising if as a serial pedo he tried very hard to gain credit with his victims even for things he didn't actually do for them.
 
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DForce

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Jesus Christ, that may be the stupidest argument in this thread yet. Which is quite an accomplishment, given the large amount of half truths and absolute made-up bullshit you people are throwing in to prove your idiotic point with defending a serial rapist.

Do you have any ACTUAL memories on your own?
You speak as if you have no familiarity with how a brain works, if not by hearsay.

I can remember in detail a conversations I had at night with my brother when we were children talking about what our future would be growing up; I couldn't tell you in what year that exactly happened, let alone the month.
I can tell you of the first time "I did something dirty" with a girl when I was in kindergarten, while hiding from our teachers in a toy kitchen, and how I enjoyed it and at the same time felt guilty about it for months. And still today I couldn't tell you who she was exactly and what she looked like if my life depended on it. Nor who the teachers were, for all that matters.
I remember when the daughter of some family friends slept in our house when we were very little and how we secretly touched each other under the sheets when everyone else was sleeping. But I have no idea in what year that happened.

You seem to assume people tend to remember all things with the same amount of effort and that the amount of time passing is supposed to be the only discrimination, when that's not true at all.
Little details that are important to us stuck in our memories for the entire life and all the rest becomes a vague indistinct shape or get forgotten entirely barely weeks later, let alone years or decades.
People are also constantly confident about remembering things "right" and actually getting the details wrong all the goddamn times (i.e. A: "It was during my niece baptism!" B: "Nope, that happened at your sister's wedding"). Which doesn't mean the core of the episode they remember is entirely false.

It's borderline retarded some of the shit people are doing when they "debunk details" as being gifted "Thriller original jacket".
"He's a liar because the original is in a museum". Well, who gives a shit? He probably thought it was the one, as a kid?
Hell, maybe MJ himself straight up lied to him about it. It wouldn't really be surprising if as a serial pedo he tried very hard to gain credit with his victims even for things he didn't actually do for them.

You keep making excuses for their lies. They're specifically stating they remember these events, but you're excuses it by saying, "Do you remember everything when you were a child?"

A lot of their lies are not even from their childhood, it's from when they were ADULTS.

Memory failing them is just an excuse you're using. They're making up stories and failing them with actual facts.
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
I hate these crucifixions by social media because if you don't go along with everybody, people resort to name calling. Can't people have free thought anymore or does everybody have to go along with the masses? For some people the circumstantial evidence in this case, testimony, and Jackson's behavior is enough. For others, it is not.

I'm not willing to die on the Michael Jackson is innocent hill. For me, I don't need any physical evidence . Michael Jackson was with hundreds of children. The documentary paints Michael Jackson as a serial pedophile who replaced boys every 12 months. I think if this documentary has any legs, sadly, we will start to see more children come out. It's going to be like the Cosby and R. Kelly. That's actually the premise of the documentary: Michael Jackson Ran the 'Most Sophisticated Child Sexual Abuse' Operation in History.

In Dan Reed's own words: "“There’s going to be a lot of #MeToo after this. We just have to wait and see how quickly that happens”.

It's not been a long time, but so far crickets. Actually, no. Families are coming out and defending Michael. I think by the end of this year we will know for sure.

So by your logic he's innocent because he didn't rape every boy he came across? That sick fuck only molested those he thought he could get away with molesting.
 

Chandler55

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Which doesn't mean the core of the episode they remember is entirely false.

Yeah maybe they have a ton of false confidence in what they remember, but this was an insane amount of detail, especially for memories they "didn't think about" for 30 years. Hey maybe the director told them to elaborate and they felt pressured to add detail because they were in front of a camera, thats certaintly a possibility. But for me personally I don't buy it.
 

DForce

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So by your logic he's innocent because he didn't rape every boy he came across? That sick fuck only molested those he thought he could get away with molesting.

You guys come in here calling people pedo defenders, but you guys hide whenever proof is posted whenever they're caught lying.

Sorry, but real victims of abuse don't need to lie about their story of abuse.
All you guys did was post "your proof" that was debunked years ago, but you guys have yet to provide information proving their not lairs.

You guys are doing nothing more than turning into insults because guys are short on facts. This is ridiculous.
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
You guys come in here calling people pedo defenders, but you guys hide whenever proof is posted whenever they're caught lying.

Sorry, but real victims of abuse don't need to lie about their story of abuse.

You have no idea behind the psychology of abuse victims or how their minds operate. Honestly, you disgust me. All cause some sick fuck was an amazing entertainer.
 

gamerMan

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Do you have any ACTUAL memories on your own?
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I'll entertain the possibility that Jackson is guilly? Would someone who thinks he's a pedo explain this: How do remember being fucked in a train station room that didn't exist?

More inconsistencies. This case is starting to fall apart. Wade claims that Jackson molested him on the family's trip to the Grand Canyon because he was left alone with Jackson. In 1993, Joy Robson testified under oath that Wade went with them on the Grand Canyon trip.
 
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DForce

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You have no idea behind the psychology of abuse victims or how their minds operate. Honestly, you disgust me. All cause some sick fuck was an amazing entertainer.

Wade Robson didn't lie about his book because he was abused.

Wade Robson's mother didn't offer him several versions of the story that will best benefit him because he was abused.

Wade Robson's reason for testifying for MJ in 05 wasn't because he was abused.

Wade Robson didn't lie about knowing about not knowing Estate because he as abused.

Wade Robson's didn't try to his e-mails from the court because he was abused.

The only sick people are the ones creating fake child abuse love stories because they want money.
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
Let me see side with a pedo who:
  1. Admitted to sleeping in the same bed with boys
  2. Created an amusement park to specifically lure boys
  3. Had the hallway to his bedroom booby trapped with alarms, bells and video cameras
  4. Settled out of court with other abuse victims to the tune of millions
  5. Had a pedo book and porn (I thought he was an innocent pure child-like soul? What was he doing with porn and a pedo book?)
  6. Never had any interest in girls or women. (The mother of his children admitted they never had sex)
  7. Had a sham marriage once the heat got too hot.
  8. Disfigured his face to the point of looking like a ghoul/death warmed over while lying and claiming he only had 2 plastic surgeries
Or believe the victims?

I'll believe the victims thanks!
 
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Sentenza

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wonderful. Once again the "evidence" amounts to "BU-BUT THEY SAID ONE THING AND THEN THEY SAID ANOTHER!".

"She totally said in her testimony that her son left Neverland with them, so he's lying".
And yet here we have personal mails between the two parts when the son explicitly asks her "Tell me again, for what reason I was left with him?"
 

gamerMan

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Let me see side with a pedo who:
  1. Admitted to sleeping in the same bed with boys
  2. Created an amusement park to specifically lure boys
  3. Had the hallway to his bedroom booby trapped with alarms, bells and video cameras
  4. Settled out of court with other abuse victims to the tune of millions
  5. Had a pedo book and porn (I thought he was an innocent pure child-like soul? What was he doing with porn and a pedo book?)
  6. Never had any interest in girls or women. (The mother of his children admitted they never had sex)
  7. Had a sham marriage once the heat got too hot.
  8. Disfigured his face to the point of looking like a ghoul/death warmed over while lying and claiming he only had 2 plastic surgeries
Or believe the victims?

So I'm guessing you didn't need the documentary to prove his guilt. I find it funny that people believe Jackson had no interest in women just because the media says it's so.

 
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Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
An anectdote from pharell and pitiful 9 second video of him pointing at someone? Are you serious? I haven't laughed so hard in a long time!! You forgot to point out his sham marriage. You got me he totally wasnt a boy fucker.
 

DForce

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Let me see side with a pedo who:
  1. Admitted to sleeping in the same bed with boys
  2. Created an amusement park to specifically lure boys
  3. Had the hallway to his bedroom booby trapped with alarms, bells and video cameras
  4. Settled out of court with other abuse victims to the tune of millions
  5. Had a pedo book and porn (I thought he was an innocent pure child-like soul? What was he doing with porn and a pedo book?)
  6. Never had any interest in girls or women. (The mother of his children admitted they never had sex)
  7. Had a sham marriage once the heat got too hot.
  8. Disfigured his face to the point of looking like a ghoul/death warmed over while lying and claiming he only had 2 plastic surgeries
Or believe the victims?

I'll believe the victims thanks!

And no facts to back up these claims.

Facts prove they have lied.

You have no evidence to support these claims.
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
Where is your proof that he created specifically to lure boys.

Creating an amusement park is not proof that he created it to lure in boys.

You're right he created it to lure middle aged men with male pattern baldness. I remember the videos of Pedoland full of them!
 

DForce

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You're right he created it to lure middle aged men with male pattern baldness. I remember the videos of Pedoland full of them!

Again, you offer no proof. If you're going to debate with people, back up your claims with facts and not assumptions.

At 1:50 Micheal Jackson was asked why he created Neverland


He cannot go to an amusement park, Disneyland or even walk down the street without crowds of people going after him, so he created these things behind his gates.

He even wanted to go shopping just like everyone else and he couldn't do it.



Can you disprove that?

No, you can't.

Alarm System?

As stated before, his bedroom was the side of an apartment and he had alarm systems installed after someone broke into his house and stayed there for about a week.

Can you prove he didn't have it installed for that reason?

No, you can't.
 

Tesseract

Banned
Except its not pedo defender.

whatever dude, presumption of innocence is a thing whether you like it or not

lol @ pedo defender, keep parroting that line from your righteous tower

your appeals to emotion aren't gonna work here

keep on believing the supposed victims tho, because you say so
 
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Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
whatever dude, presumption of innocence is a thing whether you like it or not

lol @ pedo defender, keep parroting that line from your righteous tower

your appeals to emotion aren't gonna work here

keep on believing the supposed victims tho, because you say so

Keep on believing a pedo cause you like his music
 

Sentenza

Member
"Without backing them with facts".
You are the fool who wants to pretend that all the hints we had for years that something wrong was going on "amount to absolutely nothing", only because we don't have raw footage of MJ facefucking a toddler.
Which probably you wouldn't even accept as evidence, either. Because that's what denial does to people.
 

DForce

Member
"Without backing them with facts".
You are the fool who wants to pretend that all the hints we had for years that something wrong was going on "amount to absolutely nothing", only because we don't have raw footage of MJ facefucking a toddler.
Which probably you wouldn't even accept as evidence, either. Because that's what denial does to people.

If you're going to call people delusional and fools then I suggest you stop running away whenever someone asks you to explain why Wade and James lying.

The reason why you ignore it because you can't use the same blanket memory excuse when judges, jury and defense attorney, witnesses caught these accusers lying.

Wade committed perjury and you can't explain why so you just ignore evidence that these guys are not credible.

So yes, only delusional people here are the ones who keeps calling him a pedo with no facts.
 

gamerMan

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wonderful. Once again the "evidence" amounts to "BU-BUT THEY SAID ONE THING AND THEN THEY SAID ANOTHER!".
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Again, I'll entertain the possibility that Jackson is guilty.

Would someone who thinks he's a pedo explain this: How do remember being fucked in a train station room that didn't exist?
 
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rivv3r

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No evidence = bullshit.


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Sentenza

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Again, I'll entertain the possibility that Jackson is guilty.

Would someone who thinks he's a pedo explain this: How do remember being fucked in a train station room that didn't exist?
Easiest explanation that you won't accept because denial does funny things to your brain? The fucking happened, the timeline was slightly incorrect. And that's assuming the whole "the train didn't even exist at the time" isn't complete bullshit in the first place, because I have no way to verify it aside from taking the words of random weirdos on the internet like you.
How are you even sure that mini-train wasn't already somewhat operative (or even just there) even before being completely done, I wonder.
Everyone is now an expert of Neverland plannings for expansion across the years.

But no, it's far more likely that the dude studied an elaborate lie spawning years of hanging around with Micheal Jackson and to corroborate an already solid story then decided to make up entirely a minor episode of hardly any relevance in his entire story and fuck it up.
How do you think he was aware of that train existing (and knowing how it was made in detail and being suited for what he's telling) if he didn't see it up close?
Are you somehow forgetting that him ACTUALLY being in Neverland several times across the years is not up to debate? Why would he make up things that weren't there when he visited it?

If you're going to call people delusional and fools then I suggest you stop running away whenever someone asks you to explain why Wade and James lying.
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I don't think they are lying. I think there are simply incorrect details that became fuzzy across the years.
"We fucked for years. One time, I think it was 34 years ago, even in the yellow bathtub" "AH-HA; GOTCHA! The yellow bathtub was actually ocra until MJ didn't repaint it himself few months later"
Are you people autistic or what? Who the fucking cares if they are nailing the dates after 30 years.

Every laughable attempt to demonstrate otherwise so far makes a stronger and stronger impression that people are becoming desperate of making up all sort of bullshit to prove them "liars".
 
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DForce

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I don't think they are lying. I think there are simply incorrect details that became fuzzy across the years.
"We fucked for years. One time, I think it was 34 years ago, even in the yellow bathtub" "AH-HA; GOTCHA! The yellow bathtub was actually ocra until MJ didn't repaint it himself few months later"
Are you people autistic or what? Who the fucking cares if they are nailing the dates after 30 years.

Every laughable attempt to demonstrate otherwise so far makes a stronger and stronger impression that people are becoming desperate of making up all sort of bullshit to prove them "liars".

Fuzzy across the years?

Yeah, a simple excuse for someone that doesn't want to admit that they're liars.

You still haven't commented on the lies they have told. You're ignoring them because the fuzzy memory accuse will not work.

Every laughable attempt to demonstrate otherwise so far makes a stronger and stronger impression that people are becoming desperate of making up all sort of bullshit to prove them "liars".


How can you demonstrate if you keep ignoring post whenever I ask you questions regarding their specific lies.
I'm basing my arguments on facts, you're demonstrating complete ignorance.
 

Sentenza

Member
It's mostly because your questions are, to be quite frank, incredibly stupid.
I'm not sure why do you think they deserve the full attention of anyone.

"Why did he commit perjury? UH? UH?"
Jesus Christ, he spent half of a four-hours long interview explaining in detail why that happened and in what mindset he was across the years. Who do you think you are fooling with your faux inquisitive tone?

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DForce

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It's mostly because your questions are, to be quite frank, incredibly stupid.
I'm not sure why do you think they deserve the full attention of anyone.

"Why did he commit perjury? UH? UH?"
Jesus Christ, he spent half of a four-hours long interview explaining in detail why that happened and in what mindset he was across the years. Who do you think you are fooling with your faux inquisitive tone?


He committed perjury when he tried to sue the Estate.

You're just filled with excuses and you clearly don't know what you're even talking about.

His lies were never explained in the documentary, so there's that.

Why did he commit perjury while trying to sue the Estate or are you going to make memory excuses again?
 

DForce

Member
James Safechuck claim.

Clip from "Leaving Neverland" along side pictures the Train Station before and after 1993.





Are people going to excuse this with is bad memory again instead of admitting that he lied?
 
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Tesseract

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i mean of course he looks guilty as fuck, and i personally think he probably was guilty as fuck

but that's not the point, i have to presume he's innocent because that's the standard all men deserve in an impartial society
 
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Shodan09

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It's quite amusing coming into this thread and seeing Days like these... getting fucked harder than anyone ever did at Neverland Ranch.
 
I wish I was as passionate about anything as DForce is about blindly defending even the mere fucking POSSIBILITY that a guy who loved sleeping with kids might have touched them as well.

I wish I had friends line you. You’re loyal. I respect that.
 
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Shodan09

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I wish I was as passionate about anything as DForce is about blindly defending even the mere fucking POSSIBILITY that a guy who loved sleeping with kids might have touched them as well.

I wish I had friends line you. You’re loyal. I respect that.
I mean if you read his posts, it's anything but blind. He's providing evidence of contradictions with sources.
 

DForce

Member
I wish I was as passionate about anything as DForce is about blindly defending even the mere fucking POSSIBILITY that a guy who loved sleeping with kids might have touched them as well.

I wish I had friends line you. You’re loyal. I respect that.
I go by facts, I don't make ridiculous assumptions and decide to call a person a pedophile, which many people here love to do. I said before that years ago that I thought he may have molested children, but that was BEFORE I started looking up facts.

I don't blindly defend anyone, people blindly call this man a pedophile without looking up facts about these cases. They will ignore evidence that these accusers and their families are liars and will accept any narrative that makes MJ into a pedophile.

So, don't tell me i'm blindly defending anyone when you refuse to do any sort of research.
 

LMJ

Member
Come on JareBear: Remastered JareBear: Remastered you're better than that!

Again the burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused and DForce DForce and Tesseract Tesseract are both showing evidence and making sound arguments, ironically I'm in the same boat as Tess, I think Micheal may have done it, but proof is nessacary and the documentary is filled with lies and half truths...not convincing.

Oh and D Days like these... , I've appealed to your better judgment to stop with the personal insults...you make taking you seriously in this debate nearly impossible as you resort to emotional outbursts like these and personal insults...

I'm now asking you kindly to stop with the pedodefender garbage...just makes you come off childish.
 

Days like these...

Have a Blessed Day
It's quite amusing coming into this thread and seeing Days like these... getting fucked harder than anyone ever did at Neverland Ranch.

You're projecting pedo defender. Nice try though. I don't mind the insults at least I'm not the one defending someone who fucked boys in the ass. Where there's smoke there's fire. Don't know how you guys can live with yourselves, honestly it's mind boggling. You guys are up there with anti vaxxers and false flaggers.
 
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gamerMan

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Easiest explanation that you won't accept because denial does funny things to your brain? The fucking happened, the timeline was slightly incorrect.
How do you think he was aware of that train existing (and knowing how it was made in detail and being suited for what he's telling) if he didn't see it up close?
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You keep pushing the fuzzy memory narrative argument but the timeline matters. The documentary describes a cycle of abuse that ended with Jackson replacing the boys once they hit puberty. If the fucking happened. Safechuck would have been 16. By then, Jackson would have moved onto Brett Barnes.

How did Safechuck know about the train station?I don't know. Maybe you should ask Dan Reed who had plenty of drone shots to back up the claim.

 

rorepmE

Member
I wish I was as passionate about anything as DForce is about blindly defending even the mere fucking POSSIBILITY that a guy who loved sleeping with kids might have touched them as well.

I wish I had friends line you. You’re loyal. I respect that.

I dunno, posting dated construction and permit details when challenged about the veracity of the claim doesn't seem to be blind...?
 

Falcs

Banned
James Safechuck claim.

Clip from "Leaving Neverland" along side pictures the Train Station before and after 1993.

This alone PROVES Safechuck is utterly full of shit. I challenge anyone to make a valid argument to explain this.
But no, watch it go completely ignored, just all the other facts you've presented, by those in here who are calling MJ a pedo.
It's quite amusing coming into this thread and seeing Days like these... getting fucked harder than anyone ever did at Neverland Ranch.
Lol, fucking savage.
 
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