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Stranger Things' David Harbour's rousing SAG Awards speech

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daffy

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Trevelyon said:
Great speech, very well put. Tho, could've done without the advocacy of voilence. All it takes is one punch to kill or seriously injury a person, and the perpetrator of that voilence (morally justified or not) to be put up on manslaughter charges and their and their family's lives ruined.

Know where he's coming from, but it ain't right.
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we live in a violent world. how do you propose we stop bullies? Change hearts and minds?
 
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WhiteRabbitEXE

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Trevelyon said:
Great speech, very well put. Tho, could've done without the advocacy of voilence. All it takes is one punch to kill or seriously injury a person, and the perpetrator of that voilence (morally justified or not) to be put up on manslaughter charges and their and their family's lives ruined.

Know where he's coming from, but it ain't right.
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Nah. Violence generally may not be the answer, but I will never accept a world where we can't at least punch Nazis.
 
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EatinOlives

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Trevelyon said:
Great speech, very well put. Tho, could've done without the advocacy of voilence. All it takes is one punch to kill or seriously injury a person, and the perpetrator of that voilence (morally justified or not) to be put up on manslaughter charges and their and their family's lives ruined.

Know where he's coming from, but it ain't right.
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When talking about civil rights, nothing was ever achieved without throwing the occasional punch. I know we like to think we're above the fray in that regard, but sorry, that's just the way it works sometimes.
 
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mozfan12

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God that was awesome. You could see how much people wanted to express themselves at the SAG awards and let out some steam. We are not alone. I loved her facial expressions.
 
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Firestorm

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Trevelyon said:
Great speech, very well put. Tho, could've done without the advocacy of voilence. All it takes is one punch to kill or seriously injury a person, and the perpetrator of that voilence (morally justified or not) to be put up on manslaughter charges and their and their family's lives ruined.

Know where he's coming from, but it ain't right.
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I think we can advocate violence when he's clearly alluding to a punch against this piece of shit who said this within hours of a terrorist attack that killed several people:

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The Kree

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Mahershala Ali's speech in the related videos was on point as well.

They weren't the only ones.

The mantle was quickly picked up by the night's first winner, Julia Louis-Dreyfus (best actress in a comedy series for ”Veep").

”My father fled religious persecution in Nazi-occupied France," Ms. Dreyfus said. ”I'm an American patriot. And I love this country, and because I love this country, I am horrified by its blemishes, and this immigrant ban is a blemish, and it is un-American."

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Lily Tomlin, who won a lifetime achievement award, said, ”The Doomsday Clock has been moved to two and a half minutes before midnight. And this award came just in the nick of time." She later added, ”What sign should I make for the next march? So much to do."

Bryan Cranston, winning best actor in a television movie for his performance as Lyndon B. Johnson in ”All the Way," said he was often asked what that president would think about Mr. Trump. ”I honestly feel that 36 would put his arm around 45 and earnestly wish him success," Mr. Cranston said. ”And he would also whisper in his ear something he said often, as a form of encouragement and a cautionary tale: ‘Just don't piss in the soup that all of us got to eat.'"

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MattyG

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The Kree said:
Mahershala Ali's speech in the related videos was on point as well.

They weren't the only ones.

The mantle was quickly picked up by the night’s first winner, Julia Louis-Dreyfus (best actress in a comedy series for “Veep”).

“My father fled religious persecution in Nazi-occupied France,” Ms. Dreyfus said. “I’m an American patriot. And I love this country, and because I love this country, I am horrified by its blemishes, and this immigrant ban is a blemish, and it is un-American.”

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Lily Tomlin, who won a lifetime achievement award, said, “The Doomsday Clock has been moved to two and a half minutes before midnight. And this award came just in the nick of time.” She later added, “What sign should I make for the next march? So much to do.”

Bryan Cranston, winning best actor in a television movie for his performance as Lyndon B. Johnson in “All the Way,” said he was often asked what that president would think about Mr. Trump. “I honestly feel that 36 would put his arm around 45 and earnestly wish him success,” Mr. Cranston said. “And he would also whisper in his ear something he said often, as a form of encouragement and a cautionary tale: ‘Just don’t piss in the soup that all of us got to eat.’”

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Mahershala's speech was very powerful, but delivered so delicately and eloquently. Love it (and now I've gotta go watch Moonlight).
 
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Calderc

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The Kree said:
Mahershala Ali's speech in the related videos was on point as well.

They weren't the only ones.

The mantle was quickly picked up by the night’s first winner, Julia Louis-Dreyfus (best actress in a comedy series for “Veep”).

“My father fled religious persecution in Nazi-occupied France,” Ms. Dreyfus said. “I’m an American patriot. And I love this country, and because I love this country, I am horrified by its blemishes, and this immigrant ban is a blemish, and it is un-American.”

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Lily Tomlin, who won a lifetime achievement award, said, “The Doomsday Clock has been moved to two and a half minutes before midnight. And this award came just in the nick of time.” She later added, “What sign should I make for the next march? So much to do.”

Bryan Cranston, winning best actor in a television movie for his performance as Lyndon B. Johnson in “All the Way,” said he was often asked what that president would think about Mr. Trump. “I honestly feel that 36 would put his arm around 45 and earnestly wish him success,” Mr. Cranston said. “And he would also whisper in his ear something he said often, as a form of encouragement and a cautionary tale: ‘Just don’t piss in the soup that all of us got to eat.’”

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Thanks for posting that. Sounds like it was a night for wisdom and solidarity.
 
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Poor GRIMES

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Trevelyon said:
Great speech, very well put. Tho, could've done without the advocacy of voilence. All it takes is one punch to kill or seriously injury a person, and the perpetrator of that voilence (morally justified or not) to be put up on manslaughter charges and their and their family's lives ruined.

Know where he's coming from, but it ain't right.
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Okay, stop.

Do you also tell the little kid who constantly gets picked on by the bullies to be an ostrich and just take the beating? There are times where it is acceptable to fight back.
 
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broncobuster

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Harbour is a cool dude.

The Kree said:
Mahershala Ali's speech in the related videos was on point as well.

They weren't the only ones.

The mantle was quickly picked up by the night’s first winner, Julia Louis-Dreyfus (best actress in a comedy series for “Veep”).

“My father fled religious persecution in Nazi-occupied France,” Ms. Dreyfus said. “I’m an American patriot. And I love this country, and because I love this country, I am horrified by its blemishes, and this immigrant ban is a blemish, and it is un-American.”

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Lily Tomlin, who won a lifetime achievement award, said, “The Doomsday Clock has been moved to two and a half minutes before midnight. And this award came just in the nick of time.” She later added, “What sign should I make for the next march? So much to do.”

Bryan Cranston, winning best actor in a television movie for his performance as Lyndon B. Johnson in “All the Way,” said he was often asked what that president would think about Mr. Trump. “I honestly feel that 36 would put his arm around 45 and earnestly wish him success,” Mr. Cranston said. “And he would also whisper in his ear something he said often, as a form of encouragement and a cautionary tale: ‘Just don’t piss in the soup that all of us got to eat.’”

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Ali's was particularly poignant for what Moonlight is about. And how his parents named him Mahershalalhashbaz and were accepting of when he converted.
 
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LotusHD

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Trevelyon said:
Great speech, very well put. Tho, could've done without the advocacy of voilence. All it takes is one punch to kill or seriously injury a person, and the perpetrator of that voilence (morally justified or not) to be put up on manslaughter charges and their and their family's lives ruined.

Know where he's coming from, but it ain't right.
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Here we go again...
 
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Monocle

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More confirmation that the worst of humanity brings out the best in people of conscience and decency.

Trevelyon said:
Great speech, very well put. Tho, could've done without the advocacy of voilence. All it takes is one punch to kill or seriously injury a person, and the perpetrator of that voilence (morally justified or not) to be put up on manslaughter charges and their and their family's lives ruined.

Know where he's coming from, but it ain't right.
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If punching an actual neonazi in the face isn't right, I don't know what is. The endgame of Richard Spencer and his ilk is genocide. They do not get a seat at the table of civilized society.

If you want to draw a line, place it before permanent disability, not the long overdue curtailment of a toxic man's hate speech.
 
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Screaming Meat

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That was a rousing speech. When is he running for President?

Trevelyon said:
Great speech, very well put. Tho, could've done without the advocacy of voilence. All it takes is one punch to kill or seriously injury a person, and the perpetrator of that voilence (morally justified or not) to be put up on manslaughter charges and their and their family's lives ruined.
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Warren Ellis sums up my position/feelings on the subject perfectly:

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I understand there's been some confusion online as to whether it's ever right to punch a Nazi in the face. There is a compelling argument that all speech is equal and we should trust to the discourse to reveal these ideas for what they are and confidently expect them to be denounced and crushed out by the mechanisms of democracy and freedom.

All I can tell you is, from my perspective as an old English socialist and cultural liberal who is probably way to the woolly left from most of you and actually has a medal for services to free speech — yes, it is always correct to punch Nazis. They lost the right to not be punched in the face when they started spouting genocidal ideologies that in living memory killed millions upon millions of people. And anyone who stands up and respectfully applauds their perfect right to say these things should probably also be punched, because they are clearly surplus to human requirements. Nazis do not need a hug. Nazis do not need to be indulged. Their world doesn't get better until you've been removed from it. Your false equivalencies mean nothing. Their agenda is always, always, extermination. Nazis need a punch in the face.

(And the argument that such assaults allow Nazis to get more attention doesn't work so well when they were already going live on a national television network, because this is where we are now. This is how normalised their presence in our culture is.)

Glad we got that cleared up.
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Monocle said:
More confirmation that the worst of humanity brings out the best in people of conscience and decency.

If punching an actual neonazi in the face isn't right, I don't know what is. The endgame of Richard Spencer and his ilk is genocide. They do not get a seat at the table of civilized society.

If you want to draw a line, place it before permanent disability, not the long overdue curtailment of a toxic man's hate speech.
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Damn right.
 
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vordhosbn

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lol @ bill maher saying we should stop apologising, who the fuck is apolosing anymore? everyone is pissed and ready to fuck shit up
 
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Rootbeer

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Love the show, love David and his portrayal of his character, but damn. I thought I couldn't love anything about it any more than I already did. I was wrong.
 
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Chumley

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BowieZ said:
Oh God. The "accused Nazi victimhood" of Nazi-like neo-fascist supporters is gaining steam.

https://twitter.com/latinaafortrump/status/825972901321011200

My response at the bottom.



The lack of a decent education in America has created this monster. People do not know what Hitler did or how neo-Nazism would rise again.
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Pretty much.

There are a fuckload of flat out stupid, ignorant, uneducated people out there. I don't know how they got out of high school.
 
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Corpekata

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BowieZ said:
The lack of a decent education in America has created this monster. People do not know what Hitler did or how neo-Nazism would rise again.
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They know. They are doing it on purpos as part of a misinformation spam. There's a reason like 1 or two factoid like this will pop up and be everywhere at once. It's stuff that starts as part of "operations" on places like 4chan and reddit. They spread it for a few weeks and move on to the next one. They are also currently spamming the "Obama banned Iraqis in 2011" thing like crazy.

Pretty much everyone that shares images like that isn't going to be reasoned with or educated. They are the faithful and are being willfully ignorant or attempting to manipulate.

The people you are talking to aren't uneducated (well, they might be that too) as much as malicious.
 
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Chumley

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Auctopus said:
Huh? Did Trump's election not teach you anything? America should be trying to engage with these people, re-educate them or inspire them. Not scare them off.
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We tried to engage with them for two years. I tried with my Dad. It doesn't work.
 
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The Kree

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Auctopus said:
Huh? Did Trump's election not teach you anything? America should be trying to engage with these people, re-educate them or inspire them. Not scare them off.
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This is boring. They can't be reached and neither can I. I'm done trying to find common ground with these people. I still voted in their best interests in spite of their nastiness and I always will. They voted against their own best interests just to see others suffer worse. The love is done. I understand them clearly and I'm happy that they're afraid. They're the architects of their own demise. I'll change my tone and approach when they self correct. It's not my job to fix them.
 
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Chumley

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Hypron said:
And nowadays anything that runs contrary to their views is "fake news" so it's even worse.
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Yup. I've traveled all over Europe and the States, and until Trump never met someone I couldn't find some common ground or common humanity with. But now, the same people living in my country might as well be living on a different planet.
 
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Anung

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Trevelyon said:
Great speech, very well put. Tho, could've done without the advocacy of voilence. All it takes is one punch to kill or seriously injury a person, and the perpetrator of that voilence (morally justified or not) to be put up on manslaughter charges and their and their family's lives ruined.

Know where he's coming from, but it ain't right.
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Two punches has done more to stop this movement than millions of tweets about "but we should meet nazi's in the middle" and "who's the real fascists?"

Allowing them public discourse is how they'll win. And you can't use reason against beliefs so separate from reality. And nor should you have to.
 
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BowieZ

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Auctopus said:
Huh? Did Trump's election not teach you anything? America should be trying to engage with these people, re-educate them or inspire them. Not scare them off.
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I completely agree with you, Aucto.

These people aren't going anywhere. They're essentially now socially militarised Christian extremists who've perverted the core tenets of their own religion, much like Islamic extremists. And they have basically been mobilised into a war of hateful words and rhetoric against other fellow citizens.

They and their children will have a huge role in shaping and running the country for decades. To give into divisiveness will in the long run prove counterproductive.

Now, that doesn't mean giving an equal platform to their bigotry, but it does mean, IMO, showing a little compassion and respect: to fight fire with fire and battle them with hateful epithets in return will only fuel the fire.

This is just my own opinion, of course, though, and I expect pushback from it.

The Kree said:
This is boring. They can't be reached and neither can I. I'm done trying to find common ground with these people. I still voted in their best interests in spite of their nastiness and I always will. They voted against their own best interests just to see others suffer worse. The love is done. I understand them clearly and I'm happy that they're afraid. They're the architects of their own demise. I'll change my tone and approach when they self correct. It's not my job to fix them.
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We're all in this together, mate. You may not want to try, but some of us still have hope.
 
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rainz

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The range of expression and constant amazement hah.. Winona is tripping on a psychedelic indeed. Timothy leary was her godfather btw.
 
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liquidtmd

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Anung said:
Two punches has done more to stop this movement than millions of tweets about "but we should meet nazi's in the middle" and "who's the real fascists?"

Allowing them public discourse is how they'll win. And you can't use reason against beliefs so separate from reality. And nor should you have to.
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Pretty much.

Trump doesn't give a shit about diplomacy. Tact. Truth. This 'who are the real fascists' faux argument nails it.

I pray this Trump Presidencys Legacy is that it shakes the shit out of the apathetic and shows that for all the faults we may consider of both, that both sides are not the same. One is right and one is wrong and no amount of 'post truth' can change that.
 
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Maledict

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BowieZ said:
I completely agree with you, Aucto.

These people aren't going anywhere. They're essentially now socially militarised Christian extremists who've perverted the core tenets of their own religion, much like Islamic extremists. And they have basically been mobilised into a war of hateful words and rhetoric against other fellow citizens.

They and their children will have a huge role in shaping and running the country for decades. To give into divisiveness will in the long run prove counterproductive.

Now, that doesn't mean giving an equal platform to their bigotry, but it does mean, IMO, showing a little compassion and respect: to fight fire with fire and battle them with hateful epithets in return will only fuel the fire.

This is just my own opinion, of course, though, and I expect pushback from it.


We're all in this together, mate. You may not want to try, but some of us still have hope.
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I'm sorry that I keep having a go at you about this, and it's not personal at all - I appreciate the sentiment behind this. But you cannot keep asking victims to understand their oppressors. The response to being beaten, to being called less than human, to being told your life is sin, to having an entire political party craft legislation targeting you, cannot be to reach out an shrug them.

On a daily basis these people oppress and diminish others. Not only do I think it unfair that you place the burden of their monstrous behaviour onto their victims, I also believe it's a waste of time. For every person who you can change, there are literally thousands who will double down on their actions.

The response to this isn't a meeting in the middle, isn't 'understanding' - because there's nothing to understand, it's just racism and homophobia and everything else. The response is to shame and remove this type of behaviour and dialogue from the public discourse. That's the only way you'll get long term change - you aren't going to persuade some fucked up racist in the south to change, and asking the victims of their violence and evil to do that and putting the responsibility on them is asking too much.
 
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