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April 2013 NPD Sales Results [Up3: Xbox 360 Top Platform, NSMBU LTD, Lego 3DS, Luigi]
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A Human Becoming
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3DS isn't exactly healthy seeing it sold less in its second year and so far is selling less than last year. I wouldn't call Gamecube healthy either: only sold ~12 million units in the US in its lifetime. That's even less than the PSP.
pieatorium
Member
3ds was selling waaaay above WiiU's current sales, Gamecube also above and not exactly what most would consider a healthy life, PS1 had massive supply issues iirc.
They said Injustice beat their estimate by "several hundred thousand".
I don't even
dragonfart28
Banned
Oh, I forgot, Wii U is actually selling better than both PS3/360 at this time in their lifecycle, worldwide.
But even that is not the point.
The real story is that Wii U will eventually bring in a profit (if it hasn't done so already), so it's really just up to Nintendo to drive sales of the console with their own first party efforts.
As long as Nintendo doesn't end up in a $4 Billion hole and 5 years straight worth of losses like Sony did with the PS3, they'll be fine.
pieatorium
Member
No it isn't
dragonfart28
Banned
Sorry, couple months off but I'm sure it's not a huge difference.
Over 2 million.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/446576/20130315/wii-u-sales-outperform-playstation-3-xbox.htm
pieatorium
Member
"according to aggregated figures from VG Chartz."
It actually is a huge difference PS3 was selling 2 to 3 times as much per month in the same period in the US and PS3 old more in it's first week in EU than the WiiU sold in it's first four months
Amazing how made up numbers by random people on a site gained so much traction on the internet :|
pieatorium, why bother to engage dragonfart28 when this is their source? Just let it go. Either doesn't realize that that source can't be trusted or doesn't care. Neither is acceptable for discourse here.
dragonfart28
Banned
Picking territories doesn't mean they sold more globally.
dragonfart28
Banned
Fine.
Here's Eurogamer quoting Nintendo.
Officially.
And the number is 3.45 million units as of April 24th.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...rofit-despite-lower-than-expected-wii-u-sales
Shipped to retailers.
Officially tally to consumers in the U.S. is 1.08mm by that point. Add 10% for the rest of North America and call it 1.2mm for an even number. Probably 900K in Japan (not sure, I don't cover that usually). Call it a million and we're up to 2.2 million. Europe has been their weakest region. Call it 900K. So they're at 3.1mm, best case. Or something like that. The guys here will correct me...
dragonfart28
Banned
Why would someone who owns every system be in denial?
I have no allegiance except to the truth.
That's still a decent number even though it wasn't up to expectation.
But my original point was that taking the first four months isn't a determinant of the rest of the year.
Especially since first party titles will be driving big sales in the holiday season.
shinra-bansho
Member
I think Europe is far less than that given the estimates from pixel counting and inference - they gave us a figure of around 550K through to the end of March.
To clarify is this in reference to total WIU SW in April?
The PS3 sold, in 1 week, more than the Wii U sold in four months in Europe. That is not decent. And it was a ridiculously expensive console.
Refreshment.01
Member
How can you possibly try to get away with this? Exactly what goes through your head when doing something like this? This is plain and simple ignoring the facts or downright laying.
Does anyone with a background in psycology knows if this type of conduct can be dangerous in every day life?
Wickerbasket
Member
It's tracking below pretty much everything when launch aligned, the only way to make Wii U sales look good is to focus on the first two months of launch; the sales after that dropped off a cliff. It's not selling better than anyone, apart from maybe the Vita in month to month sales, which isn't anything to brag about.
It didn't meet Nintendo's sales expectations last financial year, and it probably won't meet it this year either.
strangedopamine
Member
dragonfart28
Banned
No one said it's selling "good".
But it's hardly a failure.
When it gets past this holiday is still seeing sub par sales, then it's a problem.
Wickerbasket
Member
It failed to meet Nintendo's expectations and targets, despite being revised downwards last FY and it will likely fail to meet targets next FY.
It's a failure to Nintendo.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
To the top 10. Injustice was 3rd at around 20k.
I'm not so sure. I think the Wii U could have sold around 110K max this past month. Not just top 10.
Edit: Just to clarify, I believe that Wii U is hovering around 2% of total sales in terms of dollars. Total dollar sales were $254mm and 2% of that is $5.1mm. At an ASP of $40, that would work out to 128K units. At an ASP of $60 that would work out to 85K units.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Dragonfart spinning WiiU as "not a failure" because they haven't started trying yet, and that its selling better than PS3/360, and on par with the "poor selling" PS1, Gamecube, and 3DS. Incredible. Thats some seriously thick and viscous reality distortion going on there.
Caps off a perfect week of Nintendo madness really.
Caps off a perfect week of Nintendo madness really.
Nah, the PS1 didn't have major supply issues. It just took a year or two to really get going. For a little while the N64 put up a fight, but when that system was hit by massive software droughts the PS1 pulled ahead in spectacular fashion.
Refreshment.01
Member
I don't really understand what's the goal with that behaviour. What i find amazing is that people go out of the way to engage him in disscussion.
Have you seen any of the Wii U specs threads? That place is... there are some guys that are Nintendo aligned but also have some tech know how. That's the most letal type of fanatic you could tackle. The partiality is so obvious that they even let some nutcases a free pass as long as they talk nice about their system of devotion. There's a guy there putting the Wii (yea, the first one) runing some effects in wich some 360 games have problem handling.
Is like a circle of hell with only mad people in it.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Someone's wrong on the internet. We've all been there, no?
I admit it: I fall prey to it from time to time.
Wickerbasket
Member
I fall prey to this way more than I'm willing to admit.
It can be pretty saddening when you realise some people would rather make up their own reality concerning sales/facts than deal with the fact that something they like might not be selling great.
I guess it doesn't really matter in the long run though, it's just a hobby.
shinra-bansho
Member
Mario should be around 25K or so, given its sustained 70% attach rate?
Is there a YTD software revenue share for the Wii U and/or can aligned comparisons be made to other platform launches e.g. the 360 in 2006 or PS3 in 2007.
Is there a YTD software revenue share for the Wii U and/or can aligned comparisons be made to other platform launches e.g. the 360 in 2006 or PS3 in 2007.
Refreshment.01
Member
Btw, it doesn't mean much but some times i get to read your articles. Great and indepth stuff, if it means smething coming from this humble servant. Hopefuly you continue your fantastic work and in some months you'll get some really cool data to analyse and revive things a little bit more. What a boring start/end of generations this has been.Someone's wrong on the internet. We've all been there, no?
I admit it: I fall prey to it from time to time.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Lego City was 2nd, so between 20-25k for it then. If MH3U held last month's 3DS/U ratio it'd be 14k+. We're at around 80-85k for 4 known games then, though likely the top 4.
Has there been a thread on this?
That figure would be staggering to me, especially with the Wii U floundering. I can't really see it happening with traditional console sales.
If rumours of Microsoft partnering with U.S cable companie(s) to replace the standard boxes are true, maybe.
Aquamarine
Member
So I found these figures for Wii U and Vita April NPD.
I know they are in line with Creamsugar's leaks, but I have no idea if they are actually correct, so take with a massive grain of salt:
Vita - 15,000 units sold in April
Wii U - 38,000 units sold in April
I know they are in line with Creamsugar's leaks, but I have no idea if they are actually correct, so take with a massive grain of salt:
Vita - 15,000 units sold in April
Wii U - 38,000 units sold in April
CouldBeWorse
Member
Source?
Aquamarine
Member
Report on 2ch.
Given how it fits with Creamsugar's hints, I'm going to hedge a bet that it's accurate.
But that's just my personal opinion on the matter.
Supposing it is accurate:
Wii U average weekly sales:
November 2012 NPD: 425,000 units (launch, one week of sales)
December 2012 NPD: 92,000 units
January 2013 NPD: 11,200 units
February 2013 NPD: 16,500 units
March 2013 NPD: 13,400 units
April 2013 NPD: 9,500 units
Month-to-month average weekly change:
Between DEC-JAN - 87.8% decrease
Between JAN-FEB - 47.3% increase
Between FEB-MAR - 18.8% decrease
Between MAR-APR - 29.1% decrease
shinra-bansho
Member
I wouldn't really average out the November sales. It was on sale for a week.
As for December, I would posit a theory that despite the total number being somewhat respectable, sales were already declining alarmingly during that period - where normally the Christmas shopping season should have sustained them. I.e. I don't there was a precipitous fall from 92K a week to 11K, but rather a decline from maybe a second week of 200K to something like a 20K week at the end of December.
Aquamarine
Member
Oh yeah. Fixed that.
Pretty sure they're just guesses.
Not that it changes anything whether Wii U sold 38k or 35k, or whether Vita is 18k or 15k.
Father_Brain
Banned
Just doing the math, assuming 38K Wii U and 18K Vita: In the April reporting period, ~9500 Wii Us and ~4500 Vita units were sold each week.
4434 GameStop + 4043 Wal-Mart + 1764 Target + ~1000 Best Buy locations in the US (couldn't find an exact current number) = ~11,241 chain/big box stores carrying both systems.
If those were the only stores carrying both - and they aren't, so the actual figure is even worse - each store, on average, would have sold one Wii U system about every 1.2 weeks, and one Vita system every two and a half weeks. Astoundingly bad.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Who said Lego was second?
shinra-bansho
Member
There are apparently 25,000 stores that carry video games in the US.
Yeouch. I had changed that from 100k to 200k right before posting giving Nintendo the benefit of the doubt.
Father_Brain
Banned
Well, my intent was to be generous, but... welp.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I thought it was mentioned upthread? If not, then I have no idea what could be 2nd? :/
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
creamsugar, can you comment whether DS was >, < or ~ Wii + Vita?
Unless jvm has updated his numbers, this is what the best estimate is:
Xbox 360 = 130K
PS3 = 100,500 (I added 500 to put it over 100k)
Wii U = 38K
3DS = 101,500
NDS = 60K
Wii = 42K
PSV = 15K
PS2 + PSP = 7K
Also, unless DS numbers are significantly higher than jvm's estimates, this was the worst sales months for video games systems by the big three in the past decade:
1. April 2013 494,000
2. May 2012 628,000
3. August 2012 708,000
4. July 2012 720,040
5. April 2012 789,444
Will next month drop below 450k? Tune in to find out!
Unless jvm has updated his numbers, this is what the best estimate is:
Xbox 360 = 130K
PS3 = 100,500 (I added 500 to put it over 100k)
Wii U = 38K
3DS = 101,500
NDS = 60K
Wii = 42K
PSV = 15K
PS2 + PSP = 7K
Also, unless DS numbers are significantly higher than jvm's estimates, this was the worst sales months for video games systems by the big three in the past decade:
1. April 2013 494,000
2. May 2012 628,000
3. August 2012 708,000
4. July 2012 720,040
5. April 2012 789,444
Will next month drop below 450k? Tune in to find out!
Aquamarine
Member
The bolded seem a bit off. How did you come to those numbers?
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
jvm estimated 60k for DS; that number came from his calculation of total sales divided by ASP for each system using the ranges provided by creamsugar and the month-over-month decline given by the NPD. That's why I was asking creamsugar to clarify it. As for 3DS, originally he had it at 100k and 102k for PS3 but creamsugar said 3DS > PS3 so I switched them.
Duxxy3
Member
Wow - the DS sold 60k units. Those should have been 3DS sales, but the 3DS still isn't at the impulse buy price.
Price is king in America.