ruvikx
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Right. I guess Narnia should be classified as a defining moment in western culture. Find me a wardrobe with a magic passageway because it's as real as Wakanda.
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Brie Larson Isn’t Letting Her ‘Captain Marvel’ Press Tour Be ‘Overwhelmingly’ White and Male
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Right. I guess Narnia should be classified as a defining moment in western culture. Find me a wardrobe with a magic passageway because it's as real as Wakanda.
LegendOfKage
Member
We definitely agree there.
I actually admire what she did, just not what she said, as I said on page one of this thread. Good idea to reach out to interviewers from smaller sites that get overlooked, good idea to get people of different social and ethnic backgrounds to ask you about your movie, bad idea to frame it all as "fewer white males, please." I honestly don't understand why so many people feel the need to be divisive when working towards inclusion.
Paracelsus
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I wasn't expecting 83 RT, more like 98-100 with a doxxing system for the sub 100% reviews.
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JareBear: Remastered
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They are just gonna send anthrax to all the negative reviewers so only the positives are left for Captain Marvel 2: Overwhelmingly Overwhelming
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's possible that she doesn't see it as being divisive. I'm hoping through this process she understands that she has to care how white men feel if she wants to create the change that she's looking for. White men don't have to come first, but at least run things through a filter before you just say things.
Javthusiast
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I legit have seen 2/4 being fresh on one review and rotten on another. I have zero clue how their system works.
LMJ
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JareBear: Remastered
, not many little girls wanted to be Ripley, but millions of them thought Leia was an awesome female role model...As they grew they likely started to appreciate Ripley, Sarah Conner and other badass females though...
Chairman Tickles
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Seems the film is trash tier. Being trashed by I'm with her soy boys too:
https://web.archive.org/web/2019030...com/2019/03/captain-marvel-review-1202048795/
Poor reception in France:
https://web.archive.org/web/2019030...com/2019/03/captain-marvel-review-1202048795/
Poor reception in France:
https://cosmicbook-news.cdn.ampproj...arvel-review-cold-disappointment-unworthy?amp
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#Phonepunk#
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they should have come out with a Black Widow solo pic. they didn't because they didn't think the action figures would sell. plenty of people wanted it, ScarJo was a huge hit with all audiences, but the money counters decided no.
now there are 20 Marvel movies, none of them centered on a woman. suddenly this movie comes out. the 21st film. for a character nobody has heard of. they want people to celebrate the fact that they shot down a woman-led film until it was absolutely 100% profitable to market.
people are a lot smarter than these companies give them credit for. slapping together "A H E R O" and pretending to be uber woke just feels lame and trendy. people are tired of being manipulated, i can't fault them for wanting to manipulate back. from what it sounds like, the movie isn't that good either, which just means they will double down on this. it's gonna get bumpy.
now there are 20 Marvel movies, none of them centered on a woman. suddenly this movie comes out. the 21st film. for a character nobody has heard of. they want people to celebrate the fact that they shot down a woman-led film until it was absolutely 100% profitable to market.
people are a lot smarter than these companies give them credit for. slapping together "A H E R O" and pretending to be uber woke just feels lame and trendy. people are tired of being manipulated, i can't fault them for wanting to manipulate back. from what it sounds like, the movie isn't that good either, which just means they will double down on this. it's gonna get bumpy.
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JareBear: Remastered
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"Trash tier" seems a little hyperbolic. It seems pretty average across the board.
It's which movie has a marketing team that has a better relationship with rotten tomatoes owners, who are Warner Bros.
At the end of the day, money influences the backend of that website
LMJ
Member
I would agree
JareBear: Remastered
I'm 100% with
#Phonepunk#
on this one we deserve a black widow movie and we never got one...for shame Marvel for shame, don't let this movie's failures scare you, give us a Black Widow movie we deserve it
JareBear: Remastered
I'm 100% with
#Phonepunk#
on this one we deserve a black widow movie and we never got one...for shame Marvel for shame, don't let this movie's failures scare you, give us a Black Widow movie we deserve itHow pathetic. I'm shocked a man would admit to thinking like that on Twitter, in public. It's a movie you coward
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hariseldon
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Indeed - it's actually something of an admission that if a film is 'woke' reviewers are afraid to mark it down, which means that they're almost certainly getting inflated scores. Personally if I'm picking sides between incels (and to be clear the framing of those who don't enjoy being preached at as incels is unhelpful and intellectually dishonest) and a mega corporation with a dubious history, I'd bat for the incels.
5secondrulesucks
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seeing mckmas8808 flip out pleases me because he doesnt have a good argument. at least nobody_important tried to have one failed but still tried. homboi here is now flipping out and i love it
no one wanted it
no one wanted it
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sol_bad
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64%on Metacritic
Looks like 66 to me. Looks to be as bad as Deadpool 1 and 2. Dayum
lifa-cobex
Member
Pretty interesting gambit if this is true.
Given the spiderrman civil war add-on, I'm going to lean to believing it.
I'm sure Marvel knows Endgame is going to make huge bank and probably want to keep it that way. Spending a bit more cash is probably a good insurance policy.
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ruvikx
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Here's Time Magazine's review. A small shoutout goes to the reviewer who in all her "wisdom" (emphasis on the inverted commas right there) claims Rotten Tomatoes trolls were reviewing the film on RT before release, whilst later in the same paragraph insinuates those "trolls" cannot read: http://time.com/5543991/captain-marvel-review/
So a pro reviewer who was literally too stupid (or dishonest) to realize the RT pre-release percentage wasn't based upon actual reviews ("want to see" isn't a freaking review or rating) subsequently pretends she's super-duper smart & can "read" (unlike her RT troll bogeymen). Epic. The ultimate irony here being Stephanie Zacharek didn't even like the movie & her real review stands at 40/100 on the metascore.
So a pro reviewer who was literally too stupid (or dishonest) to realize the RT pre-release percentage wasn't based upon actual reviews ("want to see" isn't a freaking review or rating) subsequently pretends she's super-duper smart & can "read" (unlike her RT troll bogeymen). Epic. The ultimate irony here being Stephanie Zacharek didn't even like the movie & her real review stands at 40/100 on the metascore.
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Grinchy
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I think the reviewer can go in and declare that their review is supposed to be either a fresh or rotten. And if they don't contact the site to do that, the site gets to choose.
Supposedly it's chosen based on something, but since they won't say that that is, we can pretty safely assume that they just choose what they want to choose. The site makes no sense as a review aggregator and I don't know why it became popular in the first place.
The boycott is coming alone fine
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...ango-preseller-avengers-infinity-war-1192446?
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...ango-preseller-avengers-infinity-war-1192446?
It is also helping that this is the only new movie in this week in tons of cinemas.
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And? That doesn't remove the fact that a ton of people either doesn't give a shit or don't know about about the controversy and and just want to watch the damn movie.
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JareBear: Remastered
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I don’t think an MCU film will ever truly bomb. Expecting a legit bomb was unrealistic, imo
I’m totally accepting that some reviewers are giving it artificially high scores, but I also accept that it also receives unwarranted trash scores from the other side as well. It’s like anything political, in general, the truth is somewhere in the middle
I’m totally accepting that some reviewers are giving it artificially high scores, but I also accept that it also receives unwarranted trash scores from the other side as well. It’s like anything political, in general, the truth is somewhere in the middle
sol_bad
Member
So you're saying that every screen in a cinema is dedicated to Captain Marvel? Can you link me to some American cinema chains?
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slugbahr
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That's not what he said.
He is saying that is a new release, and there aren't others, in some locations.
As in, there aren't other options for, say, people who might go weekly and want something new.
sol_bad
Member
What do you mean by other options? Other new movies available on the same day as Captain Marvel?
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slugbahr
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Pretty sure that's what the words Dunki and I used mean.
I'm not sure how you're reading something else into them.
I'm not sure how you're reading something else into them.
JareBear: Remastered
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Yeah I don’t think it’s gonna break any records. If it gets anywhere near Wonder Woman I’ll be impressed. I just don’t think it’s gonna bomb whatsoever
sol_bad
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That's pretty normal during big blockbusters. Competing studios always try and avoid the big hitters like MCU, DC, Star Wars, LOTR, Harry Potter, Fast and Furious etc. I don't know why you would even mention that fact.
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slugbahr
Unconfirmed Member
No, again, that's not what the original comment was.
He's talking about not having any new movies as competition for the week.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Oh really? This is the place we are going now?
I would agree
I'm 100% with
A failure? What has deemed this movie a failure?
Evidence please........? Like are some of you guys so upset that this movie isn't getting bombed by the press, that you have to invent made up reasons to explain away why it's really a failure?
sol_bad
Member
Sorry, maybe I am just dumb. But can you clarify exactly what you mean?
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hariseldon
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*sigh* you didn't read the post I replied to did you. Honestly though prior experience tells me that you just see things through your lens and aren't capable of seeing what's right in front of you so shall we just skip the bit where I present evidence and you ignore it and go straight to calling each other cunts? It'll save us a lot of time. I find you tiring (and note I'm not generalising about people, I mean you - you are impossible to debate with because certain parts of your belief structures are semi-religious - the problem is that one cannot argue with you that those core beliefs are false due to that religious belief, so any argument becomes a waste of everybody's time).
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slugbahr
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Seeing how Dunki liked my first post in this chain, I'm going to assume my interpretation of his statement is right.
So, the point we're trying to make is that the ticket sales are helped a bit by there being no new movies showing this week, in some locations.
Some people like going to the movies weekly. Some like to watch something new when they do.
So without other new movies to watch, they'll watch this.
To what extent that's true or not, who knows.
But that was the point being made.
I hope that's cleared it up
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slugbahr
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It's a very ironic avatar he has, don't you think?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This is what I think is happening. There's probably like 10% of the potential moviegoers that even heard of the "controversy".
Do you mean WW's first weekend numbers ($103 Million) or overall ($800 Million)?
I've never called you a cunt or anything close to that. What belief am I married to exactly? There's clearly people here that believe this movie is getting artifical scores to make it "seem" better than it is. There's people here that believe the movie is going to take a big financial hit due to Brie's words and feminist beliefs.
There's this phrase that many people are using nowadays "Get Woke, Go Broke". And it's clear that Brie's words have led them to believe that this phrase will be true again with this movie. We were literally having that discussion in this very thread, so what are you talking about? It's very clear what numbers this movie needs to hit to see if Brie's words and beliefs will live up to the "Get Woke, Go Broke" phrase.
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tkscz
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Lets be honest though, it's a marvel movie. It'll at least reach that if not surpass it by people believing it'll have connections to end game. It's like watching a TV series, you'll deal with the bad or boring episodes in order to understand the entire series. If people knew that this has little if no connection to end game, then we'd probably see sales drop.
#Phonepunk#
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yes so all the MRA complaints have ZERO effect on it. then why is it constantly in the news? why is this the central focus of most reviews?
this is honestly the most annoying thing. it feels like every single movie that comes out, the media has to find all the craziest MRAs and signal boost them to infinity. then they pretend it applies to ALL white men, especially people that are single. so the social media leeches that live for these products hype that up further and attack anyone who says otherwise. it makes the discourse around the release toxic as hell.
i read a handful of reviews and half of them ranted about incels & dateless white males. yes, some people have trouble dating, but why the media uses every opportunity to shit on these people is beyond me. i wanted to read a review about a comic book movie and instead the author is directly crapping on my lifestyle choice. i have nothing to do with these boycotts, i even think they are silly, yet my identity is being attacked. there is a ton of collateral damage done when they hype up these nothing boycotts. it is cynical and divisive. the backlash to the backlash is 100x worse than the initial backlash.
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Jon Neu
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Yeah, it's called feminism.
#Phonepunk#
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the movie will make hundreds of millions of dollars. it is a given. it is a giant big budget movie promoted by one of the largest corporations of the planet. rooting for that to happen is silly and likely misplaced. pretending it will fail is only fooling yourself.
these companies can calculate the amount of money they expect to make off these things. they already have that worked into the next film's budget. they been doing this for decades. it's a proven, low-risk product line. no boycott outside of a massive campaign the likes of which has never been seen in any industry is going to change any of that.
if it gets low scores on RT, they will change the rules, like they just did! it is all owned by the same companies.
these companies can calculate the amount of money they expect to make off these things. they already have that worked into the next film's budget. they been doing this for decades. it's a proven, low-risk product line. no boycott outside of a massive campaign the likes of which has never been seen in any industry is going to change any of that.
if it gets low scores on RT, they will change the rules, like they just did! it is all owned by the same companies.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's a newish thing called "Outrage Marketing". Purposely put something out there to piss off the so-called "other side" then sit back and watch them market your product, article, brand, etc for you. Like this Gucci Blackface sweater.
This thing created more conversation about Gucci in 2 weeks, than anything I've ever seen from Gucci before in my life. Those writers are writing those things to piss off white men on purpose. They want white men to throw the link all around the internet in a rage in order to get their numbers up.
Or.........those critics just liked the movie.
How did RT change the rules?
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Jon Neu
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Of course, it's a feminist movie!
It's Ghostbusters 2016 over again. The mainstream media is going to go with the "so brave" and the world "needs" this movie.
And the rest of the world is going to be: meh.
LMJ
Member
mckmas8808
, "failures" as in areas where the film fell short.The general Consensus is that the film is average nothing amazing, that could be considered a failure,
The other consensus is that Larson is just kind of flat in most of the reviews not much personality that could also be considered a failure
You can have more than one weakness in a film, these "failures" don't mean the film is an overall failure...