AceBandage
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And now I want a 10 page essay on why this is both wrong and right.
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NPD November 2011 Sales Results [Update 7: Skyrim, CoD Wii, PC Retail Sales Up 57%]
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And now I want a 10 page essay on why this is both wrong and right.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Do we have any idea how well Rayman did?
I...don't get what you mean.
Being able to turn around sale due to changing the image of the product wouldv'e been favorable to simply selling more units due to pack ins, price cut, and gift cards, though both are favorable to simply not selling units at a price few were willing to spend, no ones arguing that.
I expect 3DS to have a huge december
... No.
Hopefully they relaized that they couldn't compete with the Wii and its phenomenal sales. If they had, then 1) they would have lost a lot of money, 2) wouldn't matter anyway since the Wii was in that must have item stage.
True, but these November numbers are amazing for a first holiday handheld. All of the other months have been disappointing, but November is showing that the 3DS is probably back on Nintendo's sales track, even if a price cut was needed.
This probably won't bode well for the Vita...
AceBandage
Banned
That's a lot of Assassins that need Creeding.
Refreshment.01
Member
That PS3 deal, along with the 200 360 Kinect bundle, blows my mind.
About the "this is why it sold is bullshit. im just curious that's all. For example, even if i wasn't interested in Kinect, i couldn't past a 200 bundle, its too gcheap of a price point. But what im getting at, how exactly Sony and MS are making money out of those 200 bundles? If they are indeed making a profit.... well for me that's just incredible , then i put it into perspective of the amount of cash Nintendo most have been doing out of Wii all this years and how they have been in the red recently. So amazing even with the R&D for WiiU and the 3DS price cut to see Nintendo bleeding if they were making such a killing with the Wii, again, parting from the perspective of MS or Sony making some cash in a 200 bundle.
Vyse The Legend
Member
Nice, the 3DS is out of the woods (for now). Fantastic sales in all three regions. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional.
Psychotext
Member
How utterly depressing.
TheNatural
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Welcome to the grand flaw in all videogame console sales threads. In the end, it really doesn't matter how many of the systems are sold. If Sony dropped the PS3 to $50, they may easily rule the next two years of videogame sales and "win the war."
It's about business though, and Microsoft is just now starting to get out of the huge hole that getting into this business with the XBox losses had them in. They're probably a little in the black by now overall at this point. Sony has burned completely through all it's PSX and PS2 level profits with the PS3, and is just now starting to get on even keel again. Both Microsoft and Sony over all their years of hard work, are probably marginally in the black overall in the videogame industry.
Nintendo is the only company to make a substantial amount of money in the videogame industry overall. But then again, going with that makes all these threads boring since there's no fun discussion of who is or isn't getting owned or doomed when there's only one company that runs itself like an actual business instead of a division of a larger company with different motives (owning the living room and integration and whatever else buzzwords they like to throw around.)
Yeah either that or they were already happy with the slice they were getting off of third party software sales. I still think a lot of the franchises Sony debuted in the first year or two of the PS3 would be better off now if the hardware pricing had been better. Uncharted seems like the only one that grew along with the install base. Whatever number of people played MotorStorm and Resistance in the first place seem to have moved on to the more popular third party franchises. Maybe UC2 being the first big exclusive after the $299 drop is what helped so much.
opticalmace
Member
UC3? 700k.. it's in the OP.
a Master Ninja
Member
Because it was on sale for $35.
Psychotext
Member
I'm not sure they are on those deals. Even so, sometimes it's worth taking a small loss (or breaking even) just to stop your competitor selling more. Certain times of year a customer is going to buy a machine no matter what... better to make it your machine on the hope of a few software / movie / whatever sales in the future.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Nice. I thought the franchise would be a continuous downward trend after Brohood came in under 2.
I'm not exactly knowledgeable on retailer economics, so I apologize if this is a stupid question, but how do we know the difference between a sale where the retailer takes the hit and one where the manufacturer does? Speaking about stuff like the $99 Walmart Wii and the $199 Xbox bundles and the like?
Yes....
The Wii and 3DS will have the normal increases from Nov->Dec. Because of that MK7 and SM3DL should chart in the top 10. It is clear from SM3DL sales numbers that it is driving hardware sales, and the same is expected of MK7.
Not to mention that Dec. is Nintendo month duh.
AceBandage
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Most Black Friday ads are retailers taking a hit on big items.
They do this to get you into the store and buy other things that they don't take a hit on.
The rest of the year, it's usually the manufacturer taking a hit.
They've been profiting since 2008. They've likely recouped several billions dollars in losses by now.
But they're nowhere near breaking even. And with R&D for the next generation looming, they won't be for quite some time.
Well, I'm no Sales-Age dude but, just quick rough estimates.
Oblivion sales @ about a month after release - 1.7 million
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/04/10/oblivion-records-record-sales-1-7-million-and-climbing/
PR says that Skyrim was about a 5 fold increase over Oblivion's first month sales.
So Skyrim could theoretically have sold as much as 8 million units.
Again though, these are by no means solid numbers and just some quick math based on the PR and I couldn't find Oblivion's LTD sales from a quick Google search.
That's shipped worldwide though, not sold in NPD.
TheNatural
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I really doubt that. They were several hundred millions* in the hole to begin with before they even turned a profit, and then they stuck their videogame division in another division to obscure how much it's actually losing or making.
BladeoftheImmortal
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Love the crow half of you were served at the beginning of the thread.
hamauzu kaito
Member
well NOA said that they didnt lose money on the 99$ Wii they said the stores did. And shipped v. sold through.
One thing I think worth pointing out that seemed to get neglected both here and the Media Create thread is that Zelda is Motion Plus required and does not have it as a standard pack-in. What we're seeing is not a base of Wii users but those who have purchased an after-market accessory. If it manages to track ahead of Twilight Princess that would be pretty interesting.
I still wonder what all those Kinects are being used for though. I don't think there's much doubt it's helping 360 but I don't see it reflected in any meaningful way.
I still wonder what all those Kinects are being used for though. I don't think there's much doubt it's helping 360 but I don't see it reflected in any meaningful way.
AceBandage
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Kinect Adventures (which comes with pretty much every Kinect) and then random games that sell horribly.
There is no "MUST HAVE" single game. Just a bunch of "Oh this looks neat" kind of games.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Nevermind, forgot Oblivion came out before the PS3 launched.
I edited the post to clarify. By "out of the hole", I meant "up from their point of greatest loss". Not that they were profiting overall from the Xbox business.
Randolph Freelander
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They're probably not. The hope is those consoles, similar to other door busters, become loss leaders. They take a hit on that sale, but they make up for it with accessory and game sales not only that day, but in months and years to come.
IllumiNate
Member
Plus 1 million for the Shawshank quote
I got mine for $35 and I was going to wait until it was at least $40.
It will be close to 2M. I'd guess that the PC version at least sold 40k.
Same thing happened to Brotherhood last year. I keep kicking myself in the ass every year for buying Assassin's Creed games at launch instead of waiting two weeks. But I love me some AC
That is already 1.8mil without PC.
TheNatural
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OK, I get what you mean.
Just saying, the comments over what really is good or bad just show the confusion. Who is taking the hit the retailer or manufacturer, do sales include bundles, etc, etc. It's like people see NPD nowadays and then are asking themselves "who is really winning?"
I imagine all involved are happy about the sales results. 360 is selling like crazy, Nintendo has somehow gotten really good numbers left out of the Wii, 3DS is selling a lot more and passed DS' first year amount, and Sony sold way more than they ever have.
More interesting to me is how some of the under the radar franchises did.
Randolph Freelander
Member
So around 1.9 with. Add in the rest of those playing on PC and you have a solid hit.
I want them to name the next one "Assassin's Creed: Ramifications", so we can all call it AssRam.
kame-sennin
Member
We knew that at the beginning of the gen when Sony lost their dominance. But the market's taste has not changed. They still want shooters and motion controlled multi-player games. The only thing that has changed is the price of the HD consoles and Nintendo's software output.
What? 3DS is under performing Nintendo's projections (which are notoriously conservative). If 3DS was doing as well as Nintendo had planned, there would not have been a price cut. The fact that there was a dramatic price cut and yet the 3DS may still fall short of projections is troublesome.
I completely agree with you. Nintendo has absolutely stopped the bleeding with 3DS, and they are fixing the problem. I didn't have a problem with that statement. I simply disagree that the 3DS is doing "amazing" considering the context of the last two Nintendo consoles.
Also this. Nintendo may be able to turn things around, but we really won't know until Nintendo shows off software that can create that kind of momentum. Mario Kart is a start, but it's only one game. For now, saying that 3DS is doing great because it's beating DS's abysmal first year is a poor argument.
1.8 without Oblivion PC. Oblivion PC in 2006 had to have sold more than 20k. The game wasn't on Steam, if any digital platform, and DD was tiny back then.
I'm actually really enjoying Revelations now that I've worked around the shitty den defense mini-game and no longer have to worry about it. Dat hookblade.