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PewDiePie Responds after using racial slur
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Crosspost from the other thread:
As for PewDiePie's response. I'd generally like to be forgiving - I had a 4chan phase that I hope I grew out of, and I hope other people can grow out of it too.
But the thing that makes me suspicious is that he's still not saying where he came from. Why was that the word he jumped to? It makes it sound like the word just popped out of the ether and into his brain. He calls it the worst word he could possibly think of. Why is that the worst word?
Okay, no excuses, that's fine. But I'm not interested in hearing you talk about how bad you feel, I want to know that you've learned from the experience and will do better. I don't think feeling bad means introspection has happened. Apologies that are centered around how bad you, the offender, feels are often the product of someone who doesn't care about anything about their own feelings.
He does acknowledge that he should have learned something from past controversies. But having looked and his Twitter and such, his attitude was that he was gloating over his controversy. He was flaunting the fact that he hadn't learned. He makes it sound like he just realized that he learned nothing, and I know he already knew he hadn't learned anything.
He denies that he thinks he can get away with saying anything at all, but that's been the core of his behaviour behind the past few controversies.
I got burned by Nick Robinson's apology, so maybe I'm being overly hard here.
As for PewDiePie's response. I'd generally like to be forgiving - I had a 4chan phase that I hope I grew out of, and I hope other people can grow out of it too.
But the thing that makes me suspicious is that he's still not saying where he came from. Why was that the word he jumped to? It makes it sound like the word just popped out of the ether and into his brain. He calls it the worst word he could possibly think of. Why is that the worst word?
Okay, no excuses, that's fine. But I'm not interested in hearing you talk about how bad you feel, I want to know that you've learned from the experience and will do better. I don't think feeling bad means introspection has happened. Apologies that are centered around how bad you, the offender, feels are often the product of someone who doesn't care about anything about their own feelings.
He does acknowledge that he should have learned something from past controversies. But having looked and his Twitter and such, his attitude was that he was gloating over his controversy. He was flaunting the fact that he hadn't learned. He makes it sound like he just realized that he learned nothing, and I know he already knew he hadn't learned anything.
He denies that he thinks he can get away with saying anything at all, but that's been the core of his behaviour behind the past few controversies.
I got burned by Nick Robinson's apology, so maybe I'm being overly hard here.
I think that's just his style or something like that.
Probably said the n word again and had to cut it out
I mean, it can just slip out like that.
Patrick S.
Amiga Forever
In an angry outburst while playing a game, or doing anything, really, "nigger" is like the last word on earth that would occur to me to be shouting at someone. There are a thousand words that would come to mind first. The fact that he had that specific word chambered and ready to fire is quite telling, moreso considering his history. His apolgy/excuse is unacceptable.
CarlisleDavid1979
Member
Empty apology. It'll keep happening with him.
old manatee
Banned
Yeah, people are being really intolerant of bigots lately. It's like you can't even be prejudiced against other races without people judging you.
I am always impressed by how hard is for a celebrity to just say "I fucked up, my bad, sorry if I did something shitty" like it is always"sorry if YOU feel offended" like how much more you can distant yourself from the situation ???
Like besides Deadpool's Francis in the Hellboy movie I can't remember the last celebrity that said "my bad"
Like besides Deadpool's Francis in the Hellboy movie I can't remember the last celebrity that said "my bad"
Meh.
Next generation in gaming is going to be so fucked up. All these kids super desensitized to racism/sexism/anti semitism. I mean, I grew up with people letting the N word/Fag/Retard fly, but never did people try to make excuses for it or even go a step beyond it to the point where they start following shit like alt-right/white supremacist propaganda.
Imagine the 8 year old who loves PDP seeing the racist/antisemist shit coming from this guys mouth. He will obv defend his idol, and by doing so he'll start to internalize all the shit he's reading excusing PDP's mistake.
Next generation in gaming is going to be so fucked up. All these kids super desensitized to racism/sexism/anti semitism. I mean, I grew up with people letting the N word/Fag/Retard fly, but never did people try to make excuses for it or even go a step beyond it to the point where they start following shit like alt-right/white supremacist propaganda.
Imagine the 8 year old who loves PDP seeing the racist/antisemist shit coming from this guys mouth. He will obv defend his idol, and by doing so he'll start to internalize all the shit he's reading excusing PDP's mistake.
Probably that
Ryouji Gunblade
Member
I'm not buying it even 1%. Fake apology is fake. He needs to improve his conduct and realize that he was wrong and will continue to be wrong if he doesn't.
Brutuspedia
Member
you can still go there and hit the dislike button
ebullientprism
Member
Aside from the "sorry if I offended you" bit in the middle, it seemed sincere enough. Maybe he does realized he crossed "that" line this time.
But really, the guy is a serial offender. You know it will be something else in a few weeks time. He has already covered homophobia, racism, sexism and antisemitism so its hard to care what he says. When you are a shit human being, you are a shit human being.
The problem for me isnt PDP. I couldnt care less about what he says and his apologies for his slur of the day. What has been distressing is the reaction from a very large part of the gaming audience to try to normalize the N word.
The whole "we all use it in the heat of the moment" thing is jaw dropping to me because honest to fucking god, I didnt realize that such a large percentage of people were not only cool with using racial slurs but happily admitted using them on the internet as a badge of pride. Including a lot of people I used to quite like. :/
But really, the guy is a serial offender. You know it will be something else in a few weeks time. He has already covered homophobia, racism, sexism and antisemitism so its hard to care what he says. When you are a shit human being, you are a shit human being.
The problem for me isnt PDP. I couldnt care less about what he says and his apologies for his slur of the day. What has been distressing is the reaction from a very large part of the gaming audience to try to normalize the N word.
The whole "we all use it in the heat of the moment" thing is jaw dropping to me because honest to fucking god, I didnt realize that such a large percentage of people were not only cool with using racial slurs but happily admitted using them on the internet as a badge of pride. Including a lot of people I used to quite like. :/
Yeah he doesn't even address the problem, just says he's sorry and that he'll try to do better.
Also I love the 'Im not trying to make excuses but it was the heat of the moment'. Like, don't say you're not trying to make excuses when you are doing exactly that. The heat of the moment has nothing to do with it.
I'm sick of Pewdiepie trying to be better. I don't blame him for attempting to move past this because what exactly else can we reasonably assume the guy to do. No one is gonna willingly quit a job that makes them that much money. I'm mad at the platforms that keep him going.
YouTube, Twitch and anyone else who is hosting these people need to start regulating this shit. It's not like Pewdipie just said something dumb whilst trying to be funny, this whole scandal has been in the context of repeated, hateful behaviour from him. If anyone deserves to be shut down, it's him. He's had more than enough chances to change. He never has.
Also I love the 'Im not trying to make excuses but it was the heat of the moment'. Like, don't say you're not trying to make excuses when you are doing exactly that. The heat of the moment has nothing to do with it.
I'm sick of Pewdiepie trying to be better. I don't blame him for attempting to move past this because what exactly else can we reasonably assume the guy to do. No one is gonna willingly quit a job that makes them that much money. I'm mad at the platforms that keep him going.
YouTube, Twitch and anyone else who is hosting these people need to start regulating this shit. It's not like Pewdipie just said something dumb whilst trying to be funny, this whole scandal has been in the context of repeated, hateful behaviour from him. If anyone deserves to be shut down, it's him. He's had more than enough chances to change. He never has.
Reposting from the other thread -
To his "apology video"(Which I haven't watched and wouldn't be)
He has showed his true thoughts later on in that stream there he had his chance to apologise but instead of being sorry or "not saying it in a bad way" he says it again then tells us he knows people watching that stream don't care.
Words are Words for once. Actions over the years doesn't suggest he wants to change anytime soon.
To his "apology video"(Which I haven't watched and wouldn't be)
He has showed his true thoughts later on in that stream there he had his chance to apologise but instead of being sorry or "not saying it in a bad way" he says it again then tells us he knows people watching that stream don't care.
Words are Words for once. Actions over the years doesn't suggest he wants to change anytime soon.
PhantomThief
Banned
C'mon, doesn't everyone unleash racial explitives after minor inconveniences at home? I'll bust out the n-word after stubbing my foot!
But seriously, given how he was like "lol no one will care" immediately afterwards, and was also "oops, forgot I was streaming and not private," PDP can absolutely miss me with this bullshit.
It's just as sincere as when JonTron tried to say that "I just didn't explain myself well enough"
falconxcrunner09
Member
Just the word that doesn't need to be repeated in all caps
Vyse The Legend
Member
Spoiler Alert: It will remain completely unchanged.
Dude has a spot in the middle of a tire fire with his name on it
CrazyHorse
Junior Member
Why are so many people belittling the offensiveness of that word on his comments section? And those are the most upvoted comments. What is wrong with people?
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Empty apology that will be proven with his next racist outburst and doing nothing about the comment section.
The cut is so damn obvious as well.
Human Trashcan
Banned
stop fucking paying attention to this goblin. First it's rape "jokes" then it's death to all jews "jokes" and now it's "i accidentally said nigger I totally don't use that word on the daily pinky promise"
fuck this ignorant racist fuck
fuck this ignorant racist fuck
MisterShine
Member
He can follow up this video, where he directly addresses his previous mistakes and how he said he would change, by directly talking to all of his apologists on this issue in his fanbase.
Explain WHY it isn't okay. Why he can't say the word but black folks can. Why it isn't "just a word". Why this apology isn't just to appease "the sjw". Why he, personally, needs to be better for his fanbase and for youtube as a whole. That will be a solid first step to showing he means his apology.
Explain WHY it isn't okay. Why he can't say the word but black folks can. Why it isn't "just a word". Why this apology isn't just to appease "the sjw". Why he, personally, needs to be better for his fanbase and for youtube as a whole. That will be a solid first step to showing he means his apology.
benicillin
Banned
I don't care and neither should anyone else. This is about as weak an apology as you can possibly get.
Messofanego
Banned
Advertisers are already doing their jobs for them so it's obvious why Youtube and Twitch don't bother with more regulation: They can't afford it.
People are racist and don't see anything wrong with the word.
PhantomThief
Banned
Seriously, no words.
WilsonX100
Member
i wonder how many times he said it during this video that he cut out
CrazyHorse
Junior Member
A lot of stupid people are successful. It's the sad truth about this world.
Aaronrules380
Member
honestly, if that's the sort of word that just "slips out" from you, then you're almost certainly racist. When a word slips out, it's usually because that's how you actually think/feel and you just forgot to filter yourself.
The apology felt some-what sincere. The future will tell whether he carries those words with meaning or not.
I noticed this too. Very likely what he was up to.
I noticed this too. Very likely what he was up to.
his fanbase are most of the reason why he doesnt actually give a shit.
you people saying "it sounds sincere!", its because he worked it out with his lawyers. Its not his first offense by far, so stop pretendng like he's actually remorseful about saying something like that instead of being caught.
you people saying "it sounds sincere!", its because he worked it out with his lawyers. Its not his first offense by far, so stop pretendng like he's actually remorseful about saying something like that instead of being caught.
Just watched the entire thing.
While sincere, I fear he doesn't realize why in his apology he actually reveals his actual subconscious racism.
He actually said he thought of the worst possible thing to say. He admits that a racial epithet is the very worst thing he can say. In so doing so saying that in his head he knows that racist acts like this are wrong, yet he done it anyway.
He needs to address this. It should never be something that you say in the heat of the moment, just like homophobic, or sexism shouldn't be used but often is in gaming circles. We need as a gaming community to stamp this sort of thing once and for all.
We don't need handwaving, we don't need people to say "but he's a good guy" or to downplay this sort of thing any more. We as a gaming community need to directly condemn and challenge every time we hear racist, homophobic, transphobic and sexist slurs being used in the "heat of the moment". They have no place in gaming, nor society as a whole.
PDP has said he wants to learn from this. We all can contribute by vowing never to just accept this sort of thing as things said in anger. It is imperative that it is clear that these slurs are acts of hate, and we need rid of them.
While sincere, I fear he doesn't realize why in his apology he actually reveals his actual subconscious racism.
He actually said he thought of the worst possible thing to say. He admits that a racial epithet is the very worst thing he can say. In so doing so saying that in his head he knows that racist acts like this are wrong, yet he done it anyway.
He needs to address this. It should never be something that you say in the heat of the moment, just like homophobic, or sexism shouldn't be used but often is in gaming circles. We need as a gaming community to stamp this sort of thing once and for all.
We don't need handwaving, we don't need people to say "but he's a good guy" or to downplay this sort of thing any more. We as a gaming community need to directly condemn and challenge every time we hear racist, homophobic, transphobic and sexist slurs being used in the "heat of the moment". They have no place in gaming, nor society as a whole.
PDP has said he wants to learn from this. We all can contribute by vowing never to just accept this sort of thing as things said in anger. It is imperative that it is clear that these slurs are acts of hate, and we need rid of them.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Nothing will change
Messofanego
Banned
Yup, could have used this a teachable moment to his young, impressionable, and racist audience. But I don't think he has learned much about the term's history and about race relations to convey that message.
This is why a simple apology is useless. Especially from someone like PDP. Nothing short of utter condemnation of everyone defending him will make a lick of difference to me.
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