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SNES Mini Classic Thread | No preorder or shipping discussion here
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A gaffer already had a small seizure from that new background flash. Not even joking.
It's probably rare but it's still obnoxious and bothered me as well.
Robin64
Member
Assuming they run. They use chips that the SNES Mini doesn't currently have to emulate. Now it might, but the NES Mini stripped out many things it didn't need, even including certain letters and numbers in its font that no game used. Fingers cross, though, those games are badass.
AtomicShroom
Member
Then just play in 4:3 like literally everybody did at the time. Its the only way to serve nostalgia right.
They have to hold it for at least 48 hours according to the official policy. I had a store do this once because the manager decided to ignore the policy so I complained and I got a free copy of the game shipped directly to my house and a big ass gift card.
Merchandise
Member
Yeah my receipt definitely says 48 hours, but I was always picking it up Friday anyway. IDK if worth to try and complain.
Here's the UK version at least.
Oh wow, it is tiny! Thanks for the pic.
I would think it is for the rest of the customers who could potentially get fucked.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Oh really? I didn't know X2 and x3 used special chips.
Robin64
Member
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
So the SNES had a really, really weak processor which meant if you did anything that needed to do special math, the processor couldn't keep up. Here's an example from X2 -- to be able to draw Sigma's head as a polygon wireframe like this, the SNES needs to do lots of trig math for the rotations and perspective correction. The regular SNES has some techniques for fast rotations of sprites in 2D ("Mode 7") but can't do the same thing for points in 3D space like this polygon mesh. And at 3.5 Mhz the processor doesn't have a lot of juice to spare to do the math!
Capcom made their own processor called the CX4 to do this stuff, and it's only used in X2 and X3, nothing else! The upside is that those games can do some cool unique stuff. The downside is that you can't rely on the emulator to have implemented it for other stuff.
Here's a list of the main SNES chips and whether we think they're implemented:
CX4: Used for polygons in Mega Man X2 and X3 [neither in SNES classic]
DSP-1: Used for sprite rotation in Mario Kart and Pilotwings [Mario Kart is in SNES classic]
SA1: Used for a bunch of math and drawing stuff in Super Mario RPG, Kirby Super Star, Kirby's Dream Land 3, and a bunch of other late release games [Super Mario RPG and Kirby Super Star are in SNES classic]
Super FX: Used for polygons in Star Fox and Yoshi's Island [both in SNES Classic] -- and in addition Star Fox 2 uses an upgraded version of the Super FX chip, so that's also supported
S-DD1: Used to decompress compressed data in a handful of huge late release games like Star Ocean and Street Fighter Alpha 2 [neither in SNES classic]
There are a few other chips used for random minor games and a few Japan-only chips, but those are the main ones for games you would have heard of. So the good thing is that the four most common chips are implemented in the emulator for sure. We're just not sure about CX4 or S-DD1.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Good stuff! Thanks for the lesson!
PapaEmeritus
Member
Nice, need my turtles in time fix
Godspeed.
f@luS
More than a member.
Got 3 of mine (EU) canceled the 4th one I had on amazon.de becauSe it was more expensive. If not wIdly available soon again Ill sell two of them at no extra cost (weirdly I paid 80euros for one and 95euros for the two other. Amazon and Fnac). Of course Ill keep the 80one but the two other will be for whoever wants it at no extra
HitCtrlAltDel
Member
Here is the full list of special chips and games that use them.
Im still holding hope for X2 and X3.
So F-zero doesn't use any special chip? Wow, the more you know!
Do the Classic Controller Pros from the Wii let you reset from the controller? I'm gonna need an extension cord either way.
sixteen-bit
Member
I believe the home button on the wii classic controller acted as the reset button on the system. Through homebrew you could also bing down + select to the reset function.
Robin64
Member
Just get an extension cable, way better than a third-party controller.
At least L R Start Select should do a reset from the controller, unless this is only for certain games or only a game reset.
Do you have a tracking number that actually shows in transit? My Target order said shipped, but UPS reports they haven't even received the package yet.
LowParry
Member
Mine still says preparing order.
It seems just a shipping label was created and info was sent to Fedex. They haven't received package. It could just be that Walmart decided to print labels a head of time? I don't know.
KojiKnight
Member
They did much more than that. They handled sprite math as well, specifically for decompression and particle effects. Compare enemy explosions in MMX1 where they mostly just exploded or fell apart in one or two bits and fell in the same static pattern to MMX2 and X3 where most enemies broke into many bits and did so dynamically.
It would have been a horrible move on Capcom's part to increase the cost of the games by $15-20 simply for a couple boss bottles with wireframes. There was a lot more going on under the hood.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I'm not going to release it but I sure did.
I just caught this! Cool! Hey, do you think you could do the community a favour? Can you dump the remaining 20 ROMs from the SNES Classic and see if any of them have any changes versus the most recent commercial releases -- I'm sure someone else is going to do this eventually but it'd be cool to know.
MissileTrick
Member
Username1198
Member
Hnnnnnnnngh the thirst is real....for these old ass games. Cmon Walmart, your my only hope !
Tribes of Trusty
Member
Just beat StarFox, in <1 hour.
It's funny to think back about how tough I found the game back in 1996 when I first played it compared to now lol.
I think the game's still quite impressive and clearly the creators wanted to do some grand space opera stuff. I can only hope for a great new Starfox.
I might be in the minority but I quite like the CRT filter, I find it good on my LED TV.
It's funny to think back about how tough I found the game back in 1996 when I first played it compared to now lol.
I think the game's still quite impressive and clearly the creators wanted to do some grand space opera stuff. I can only hope for a great new Starfox.
I might be in the minority but I quite like the CRT filter, I find it good on my LED TV.
polyh3dron
Banned
Well no SNES game is correct in pixel perfect mode. Thats why 8:7 mode exists.
sixteen-bit
Member
Yeah would be interesting to know if the Yoshi's Island background thing is a result of incomplete emulation or an epilepsy prevention measure.
polyh3dron
Banned
Itd probably have to be a stunt race FX cart, just like the repros that already exist with the non-final ROM.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
To me the effect as implemented on the Classic seems to be worse from a photosensitivity issue -- it causes an overt and contrasting flash with what amounts to garbage data. So I think Parish might be incorrect, or at least if he's correct that Nintendo didn't do it right. I'm used to decreased gamma to lower the contrast of flashing to avoid photosensitive epilepsy.
But it's also a question of whether even if it is an intentional change, whether it's made in the rom or in the emulator.
Maaaaaardy
Member
Neither of mine have shipped yet, hoping both do tomorrow, one for me and one for my cousin!
KojiKnight
Member
Continuation from my other post, was going to do an edit but the thread went too fast
In fact, let's go over the rest of the list too.
DSP series (1, 1a, 1b, 2, 3, 4) were mostly compatible with each other, they added hardware multiplication and division capability. Mostly used for scaling, but also for handling positioning work. That is, handling complex math for determining relative position between multiple moving objects in a psuedo 3D space.
SA-1 was like a miniaturized SNES on Steroids. The processor was clocked at 3x the SNES and contained additional ram and V-ram. It's why it could handle very large sprites and effects.
SuperFX was used for 3D math. Despite the naming, there was no 'real' SuperFX2. There was the SuperFX Mario (first gen used in the first few FX games) that was clocked at 10.5mhz, then there was the regular SuperFX chip clocked at 21mhz. It's why you can play Star Fox 2 reproduction carts using any other FX chip game.
S-DD1 was indeed used for compression, but it also had scaling capabilities as well.
There are also a few other chips out there, but they were only used in a small handful of Japanese titles. Usually just adding a real time clock or other minor sprite features.
In fact, let's go over the rest of the list too.
DSP series (1, 1a, 1b, 2, 3, 4) were mostly compatible with each other, they added hardware multiplication and division capability. Mostly used for scaling, but also for handling positioning work. That is, handling complex math for determining relative position between multiple moving objects in a psuedo 3D space.
SA-1 was like a miniaturized SNES on Steroids. The processor was clocked at 3x the SNES and contained additional ram and V-ram. It's why it could handle very large sprites and effects.
SuperFX was used for 3D math. Despite the naming, there was no 'real' SuperFX2. There was the SuperFX Mario (first gen used in the first few FX games) that was clocked at 10.5mhz, then there was the regular SuperFX chip clocked at 21mhz. It's why you can play Star Fox 2 reproduction carts using any other FX chip game.
S-DD1 was indeed used for compression, but it also had scaling capabilities as well.
There are also a few other chips out there, but they were only used in a small handful of Japanese titles. Usually just adding a real time clock or other minor sprite features.
KojiKnight
Member
Probably not. It sounds like they had the final build sitting in a vault, but it was never implied by Nintendo or Cuthbert that the original source is sitting around anywhere.
But who knows, before Ocarina of Time 3D released, I wouldn't have believed you if you told me the original OoT source was still around.
Diablohead
Member
I was honestly hoping that the snes mini emulation would overclock the FX chips so they were a more solid rate, but that was expecting too much.
i'd be happy if starfox kept it's 20fps cap but they removed the slowdown completely via emulation overclocking.
Hippopuncher12
Member
Man, I should have had mine shipped from Best Buy instead of store pick up.
Oracle Dragon
Member
I don't really dig into this stuff much; if you had a pc emulator could you have 60fps star fox? That sounds like fun.
You can, but it speeds up the gameplay and music and everything else so it's pretty different.