chromhound
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Ohhh boy... Michael Jackson might have been a weirdo but I don't think he did weird shit with kids ..
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'We had a wedding ceremony in his bedroom': Michael Jackson accuser reveals he 'married the singer when he was ten!
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The Cockatrice
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Best way to clear this out and end the debate forever is to check whether he is in hell or heaven. Whos gonna check?
SafeOrAlone
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Where did MJ touch you?
Sentenza
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I'm not the one siding with kiddie diddlers here, smartass.
He's not a serial pedophile or even a pedophile. The sheriffs tore apart his home and he had an incredibly thorough court case that found zero evidence of wrong doing and only embarrassed Santa Barbara PD.
The two accusers here were friends of his and even had him attend their weddings in adulthood and asked for invitations from his family to be at his memorial service.
They are absolute money seekers.
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DForce
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I gave you a simple task to prove me wrong and you can't even do it.
This is what happens when a person relies on facts (me) instead of feelings (you).
I can sit here and post 30+ lies from Wade Robson and James Safechuck, but you're going to reply on personal attacks instead of addressing the issue at hand.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
How old were they when they met MJ?
Sentenza
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From reddit:
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Tatiana Thumbzten, main dancer of the video clip “The way you make me feel” and dancer of the BAD tour, published a book of the same name (in 1996 and 2005), where she narrates her experiences working with him. She had a crush on Jackson, encouraged mostly by Katherine Jackson (who was trying to set her son up with her), although MJ never really had a real interest in her.
In her book she says she was jealous that Jackson spent so much time with Jimmy Safechuck and not with her. She also describes how Katherine didn't like that relationship and the fact that Michael didn't spend time with his own nephews because he was focused on Jimmy. It's very revealing how a woman complains about the fact that the man she was interested in was more interested in a child than in her.
(Page 104 – 108)
https://preview.redd.it/dwdvsp2f6jr...bp&s=b9e0842e10a8d27c605a63a38140d7b728ef5244
https://preview.redd.it/bbz1fl3g6jr...bp&s=baf3d22ccf2a5858f03a45d7018ebe44b1260b6f
She repeated the same story in the 2005 documentary: Michael Jackson and The boys (Min 2:00):
It's a bit ironic how some Jackson fansites try to discredit James's testimony, making it look as if Jackson at that time was interested in Tatiana, when in fact what she says was the other way around.
And I guess everyone on the tour just imagined the kid being there, too.
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There are countless interviews about the things that were found in Jackson's rooms and about what the personnel working in the residence saw at time, and a lot of it was very compromising stuff.
Starting with his porn stash with the fingerprints of some of the kids all over the pages (with good rest of the "he was just an eternal kid" narrative that wanted the man completely uninterested in sexual stuff).
Or the complex setup of alarm bells leading to his bedroom.
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Tatiana Thumbzten, main dancer of the video clip “The way you make me feel” and dancer of the BAD tour, published a book of the same name (in 1996 and 2005), where she narrates her experiences working with him. She had a crush on Jackson, encouraged mostly by Katherine Jackson (who was trying to set her son up with her), although MJ never really had a real interest in her.
In her book she says she was jealous that Jackson spent so much time with Jimmy Safechuck and not with her. She also describes how Katherine didn't like that relationship and the fact that Michael didn't spend time with his own nephews because he was focused on Jimmy. It's very revealing how a woman complains about the fact that the man she was interested in was more interested in a child than in her.
(Page 104 – 108)
https://preview.redd.it/dwdvsp2f6jr...bp&s=b9e0842e10a8d27c605a63a38140d7b728ef5244
https://preview.redd.it/bbz1fl3g6jr...bp&s=baf3d22ccf2a5858f03a45d7018ebe44b1260b6f
She repeated the same story in the 2005 documentary: Michael Jackson and The boys (Min 2:00):
It's a bit ironic how some Jackson fansites try to discredit James's testimony, making it look as if Jackson at that time was interested in Tatiana, when in fact what she says was the other way around.
And I guess everyone on the tour just imagined the kid being there, too.
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I don't really know who you guys are pretending to fool. You can keep saying bullshit to each other and patting yourselves on the back while you rabidly defend the child rapist, but you can''t expect me to buy this idiotic crap.
There are countless interviews about the things that were found in Jackson's rooms and about what the personnel working in the residence saw at time, and a lot of it was very compromising stuff.
Starting with his porn stash with the fingerprints of some of the kids all over the pages (with good rest of the "he was just an eternal kid" narrative that wanted the man completely uninterested in sexual stuff).
Or the complex setup of alarm bells leading to his bedroom.
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DForce
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I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong.
For some reason you can browse reddit for 30 minutes but still can't debunk the facts that I shared in this thread.
Sentenza
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Hold to your horses and keep the Asperger at bay.I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong.
For some reason you can browse reddit for 30 minutes but still can't debunk the facts that I shared in this thread.
Just because I don't have the time to track back HOURS of compromising material on the spot doesn't mean it's not out there to find.
DForce
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I can easily look up and cite my sources within minutes because I have done the research and I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. The fact that you're searching reddit tells me that you're looking for a rebuttal and that's what's taking you so long. You should have been prepared a long time ago.
The facts that I shared are undeniable. They lied and it's just that simple.
I'll wait just to see how many excuses you come up with next.
scoobidoo112
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And now we wait for the inevitable story where the accusations are debunked and it turns out someone was in need of some money.
Cyberpunkd
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Someone needs money, someone also needs clicks on their documentary.
darkangel-212559
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Please don't use Aspergers Syndrome as an insult. Really quite out of order.
Sentenza
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Nah, what you are actually talking about is people willing to ignore ANYTHING hiding behind the excuse "They just wanted money" (which by the way can also be true and does NOT deny that a crime has been perpetrated).
P.S. And about the train station: https://meaww.com/michael-jackson-j...nch-abuse-allegations-new-twist-train-station
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DForce
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No, what's going on is that I'm sharing undeniable facts and you're calling them myths.
You're so quick to reply to my comment now, but you're still taking hours just to debunk one of the facts that I shared proving that they're liars.
Fact is, you can't deny facts and that's why you're coming up with excuses
Sentenza
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Ill try to think about it as a compliment!
DForce
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Wrong again. lol
The book was misinterpreted and the author of the book called them out.
There's actual VIDEO footage showing the train station was NOT there before 1993.
I shared actual permits that prove it wasn't built before 1993.
Sentenza
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Not sure what do you even THINK you are disproving here.
It doesn't really matter, because you are the only one pretending there was a 1992 expiration date on this story and then taking that idiocy as "proof nothing ever happened".
Safechuck said more than once that his relationship with Jackson continued (more and more sparsely) across several years until his teen age.
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DForce
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It's one of the MANY lies he told.
He said he was abused from 1998-1992.
He said the abuse stopped when he reached puberty.
This is from December 1993. The train station was not finished until 1994.
You do this every time when someone shares facts. You just make excuse and try to discredit it.
Sentenza
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Pointing the bullshit? Yes I do.
Safechuck NEVER claimed to have ceased any contact with MJ since 1992. You are one of these weirdos inferring things in his story (and copy-pasting selective quotes in an attempt to "document" it) and then complaining they "don't match" with your own head canon.
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Tiago Rodrigues
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No one ever questioned how he was always even surrounded by mostly white boys? Like...even the type of kids that were around him seemed always the same or similar.
But yeah let's keep defending this:
Like...body language doesn't lie. How can you watch this and not be uncomfortable?
Michael Jackson like many pedos say they would never "hurt a child"...doesn't mean he wasn't a pedo. Many of them don't think they are doing something wrong...just something illegal. (which is different) He was so far gone he probably believed doing everything with kids was okay.
Weird how people are so fast to cancel everyone nowadays...but this guy somehow will always be defended.
Imagine Michael Jackson posting Instagram videos of himself chasing white kids on neverland playing hide and seek in 2022, lmao
But yeah let's keep defending this:
Like...body language doesn't lie. How can you watch this and not be uncomfortable?
Michael Jackson like many pedos say they would never "hurt a child"...doesn't mean he wasn't a pedo. Many of them don't think they are doing something wrong...just something illegal. (which is different) He was so far gone he probably believed doing everything with kids was okay.
Weird how people are so fast to cancel everyone nowadays...but this guy somehow will always be defended.
Imagine Michael Jackson posting Instagram videos of himself chasing white kids on neverland playing hide and seek in 2022, lmao
DForce
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He said the abuse stopped in 1992. It's RIGHT there. You're not pointing out BS. You're simply making excuses because you cannot admit they lied.
DForce
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There's nothing weird about facts. The reason why people don't believe these accusers is because there are many lies within their story
Jackson was barely in contact with Gavin prior to the Bashir interview. Martin Bashir wanted Michael to bring a child over to prove to the world that he cares about children and Martin suggested Gavin Arvizo. During the interview, Martin Bashier asked Gavin to hold Micheal's hand and put his head on his shoulder, something Michael Jackson was uncomfortable with.
Jackson said he shared his bed with Gavin, but context is everything.
Sentenza
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Fame and popularity made the man confident he was untouchable, he became bold to the point he was barely trying to hide it.
Where's that video of celebrities at that award ceremony being visibly uncomfortable around MJ rocking a little kid sitting on his lap, while whispering things on his ears?
Bet there's an excuse for that, too.
That's the most hilarious thing about this entire story: we aren't exactly talking about a a genius criminal mastermind beyond any reasonable suspicion.
We are talking about a serial child molester that was barely in control of his urges and left "breadcrumbs" all over the place anywhere he went.
The signs were in full sight and their sheer amount is overwhelming. People just chose to conveniently look the other way because he was the "king of pop".
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Ash Sparrow
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I recall Corey Feldman saying the only person they could go to be safe from Hollywood pedos was Michael Jackson's place where he and Corey Haim took refuge. And when he reported who really molested him no one was interested because they only wanted MJ.
Accusers lies pulled from a book on pedophilia
Its not funny, but most of the people who are adamant that MJ did it usually end up being exposed as pedophiles pretty regularly. I think they are the ones who think of something sexual when laying in a bed with a child. Thats why they can not fathom it. If you think you can not be around children, that means something is wrong with you not MJ.
Watch the Square One Doc and realize that MJ was an innocent man.
I usually stay away from these threads because of all the easy to disprove lies, such as Jackson only hung around white boys. No thats all the bullcrap the media sold you. Never telling that thousands of brown inner city children visited Neverland and nothing ever happened to them. That MJ was photographed with boys and girls. Ridiculous accusers, people lied to by a media more concerned with ratings. DA trying to make his political career.
If you believe these accusers you have to believe that time machines exist. People threaten to make you disappear in hot air balloons, that there are no clocks at Neverland, when there's literally a giant clock built into the ground and tons on the premise, And that people can be molested in places that did not even exist at the time.
You believe that victims play the music of their abusers at their weddings and shrug and smile when asked why they are playing it. You believe that its okay for an accusation to happen only after a person is turned down to work with MJs estate. You believe that its okay to say someone molested you only after your family finds out they owe 20 million dollars.
You omit you had a long relationship with MJs niece because it does not fit your lying narrative.
Your own mother likes MJ posts and laughs at you being molested.
Accusers lies pulled from a book on pedophilia
Its not funny, but most of the people who are adamant that MJ did it usually end up being exposed as pedophiles pretty regularly. I think they are the ones who think of something sexual when laying in a bed with a child. Thats why they can not fathom it. If you think you can not be around children, that means something is wrong with you not MJ.
Watch the Square One Doc and realize that MJ was an innocent man.
I usually stay away from these threads because of all the easy to disprove lies, such as Jackson only hung around white boys. No thats all the bullcrap the media sold you. Never telling that thousands of brown inner city children visited Neverland and nothing ever happened to them. That MJ was photographed with boys and girls. Ridiculous accusers, people lied to by a media more concerned with ratings. DA trying to make his political career.
If you believe these accusers you have to believe that time machines exist. People threaten to make you disappear in hot air balloons, that there are no clocks at Neverland, when there's literally a giant clock built into the ground and tons on the premise, And that people can be molested in places that did not even exist at the time.
You believe that victims play the music of their abusers at their weddings and shrug and smile when asked why they are playing it. You believe that its okay for an accusation to happen only after a person is turned down to work with MJs estate. You believe that its okay to say someone molested you only after your family finds out they owe 20 million dollars.
You omit you had a long relationship with MJs niece because it does not fit your lying narrative.
Your own mother likes MJ posts and laughs at you being molested.
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Batiman
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Exactly. Believe he touched kids or not. It’s disgusting to abuse your powers to toddlers the way he did. No one on the planet would get this hand waved.
darkangel-212559
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I have A.S I think it certainly is bro!
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I love Michael Jackson and his music. But it's pretty obvious to me that something was going on. This type of stuff isn't normal. Not sure why we let MJ slide with it though.
belmarduk
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Wow.. what a necrobump.
The same accusers testified in previous trials that Jackson did not molest them.. every one seems to be a grifter of some kind.
Having said that.. if I had kids.. I would definitely not let them around Michael Jackson.. if he were still alive.. and I had kids.
The same accusers testified in previous trials that Jackson did not molest them.. every one seems to be a grifter of some kind.
Having said that.. if I had kids.. I would definitely not let them around Michael Jackson.. if he were still alive.. and I had kids.
Kamina
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Same here. I believe he tried to befriend kids as they are what he couldn’t be. I do not belive that he did bad things them.
mckmas8808
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Ash Sparrow
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To me you just have to be dumb, or the most gullible person in the world to believe these accusations, fraught with so many lies. Money motivation etc. I'd sooner leave my kids with Michael Jackson, than the people stating an adult can not be around kids without it being something sexual. To me the sexualization of the mundane is creepy. Though I do agree, its ridiculous that all these grifters tried to force their kids on MJ. Also its not like these lies against MJ were the only scams these accusers ran.
Sad that these liars overshadow all of the good this man did, ton of charity, paying hospital bills for sick and burned people. Riding around handing out food and money to homeless people. Giving Little Richard all his recordings back free and so on. And MJ did have a ton of adult friends, too many to name them all, who still support him to this day.
Sad that these liars overshadow all of the good this man did, ton of charity, paying hospital bills for sick and burned people. Riding around handing out food and money to homeless people. Giving Little Richard all his recordings back free and so on. And MJ did have a ton of adult friends, too many to name them all, who still support him to this day.
Ash Sparrow
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One accusers mother married a man named Jackson, so her new full name could be Janet Jackson, defense rests
Sentenza
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That's exactly how I feel about the defenders.
It's not even just a matter of being wrong. They all come off as laughable morons at best and criminal accomplices at worst.
Imagine the sheer amount of unfiltered credulity you have to exercise, up to a breaking point, to convince yourself to believe that a steady number of accusers started conspiring over a 20 years span against this completely innocent grown ass man that INCIDENTALLY was into the completely-normal habit of having regular sleepovers with children, spent a suspicious amount of time isolated with them (even in hotel rooms during tours), occasionally showered with them, cuddled them in public and had a comically elaborate systems of bells and wires activating alarms if someone was approaching his bedroom.
There isn't a single pedophile on this planet that could brag about having so much benefit of the doubt in his favor in front of this amount of circumstantial evidence.
EDIT - In short: https://www.theonion.com/michael-jackson-estate-questions-why-accusers-only-comi-1833105791
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Ash Sparrow
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When all accusers are easily disproved and motivated by money. And Its not just defenders, its the CIA, FBI and several juries, decades of investigations found nothing. The accusers themselves who all said they found no wrong doing. While people who think he did it only put blind faith in manipulators. And media who fail to report things like everyone in the court room nearly falling out of their seats laughing at the prosecution and absurd stories. Where having a jar of Vaseline makes you a child molester, where art books given to you by fans are pornography. My mother has a health book that shows human anatomy, apparently her and MJ have the same taste in porn. Where a grown man holding the hand of a boy who said that man saved him from cancer is seen as sexual. And where watching the movie the exorcist with kids around means you're a molester. And you could just write books on the absurdity.
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Dr Bass
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I'm not sure quoting the onion when the person you're arguing with is quoting quite a bit of hard evidence is a good look.
Also, saying he wasn't interested in a particular woman shows he's into kids is bizarre. There have been plenty of girls/women interested in me over my lifetime that I had no interest in myself. But I do like women. What a ridiculous conclusion.
Clearly something was off with MJ. But in looking at the evidence, it's pretty clear the people accusing him were lying about quite a number of things. Which casts just about everything in doubt. All you have to do is check the facts as
DForce
is saying. Also, his ex bodyguards said he had women around all the time, and that he had girlfriends. He just kept it on the DL. They also said his voice wasn't the high pitched soft thing we are all familiar with and that it could be pretty masculine. Again, takes a few seconds to find this information.
I don't know 100% if Jackson was innocent or guilty. But from the evidence I've seen from both sides, which includes behavioral analysts taking a look at testimony and the evidence themselves, it sure does seem to look more like extortion of a man who clearly suffered from a degree of arrested development. Now that might be wrong, and maybe he was doing things. But always remember. Follow the money.
Sentenza
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Except no one has been "easily disproved", not to mention "wanting money" (even if that was an actual motivation from the accuser) is NOT evidence something didn't happen for anyone who isn't a delusional stan.
Also, no one from CIA or FBI ever said a single favorable thing about past investigations on MJ. If anything the very few who talked openly about their findings all said some fairly damning shit.
But we all know how this game goes at this point, don't we? You guys would be in denial even if put in front of a videotape of MJ facefucking a toddler.
This sentence literally doesn't mean anything and it's not about anything that actually happened.
Sentenza
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What hard evidence?
incoherent rambling is not hard evidence of anything except mental issues.
Dr Bass
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Are you being purposefully obtuse? Just look at previous posts.
You're wrong about this. They tore apart his home and literally found zilch.
You're not discussing in good faith.
Sentenza
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Are you playing dumb on purpose?
This was specifically the woman many bullshitters claimed he was dating with to disprove the fact that he was hanging around with a white preteen.
Except the same woman is on record saying she felt jealous of their constant intimacy.
DForce
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The fact that you have yet to dispute any of the evidence that I posted only proves my point.
You guys care more about your feelings than facts. You haven't looked at all the evidence, yet labeled everything as myths. lol
Sentenza
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Bullshit, a false narrative already debunked a million times over the last ten years.
They found plenty of questionable stuff that would put the man in a unflattering light if made public. And they talked about it in several occasions too.
They just didn't find any "smoking gun" that would be conclusive evidence of child rape.
Because of course circumstantial evidence is never going to be enough for powerful billionaires with a legion of lawyers, but unsurprisingly when morons WANT to buy into the bullshit they conveniently forget how this stuff works.
Robot Carnival
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pretty much my opinion as well. dude had a screwed up childhood leading to his... controversial behavior with kids for sure. but I don't believe he did anything sexual with them or anything.
Sentenza
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Th fact that nothing will EVER count as damning for you is what really matters here.
You could witness the man taking turn on assfucking a bunch of first graders and you'd come up with some story about how some of them moaned and so it wasn't abuse.
I wonder how the scene would look if we could put your faith to the test sending your own son into one of these lovely sleepovers.
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DForce
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If there was anything damning in court that proved he molested kids, then I would say that he's guilty, but you have yet to show me ANYTHING proving that these claims are true.
I can show you mountains of evidence that prove they're liars. But we know what you're going to do with the evidence, "It's myths. You're just a Michael Jackson defender." That's pure delusion. lol
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