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Bloomberg: Apple Watch 3 w/LTE this year

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Klotera

Member
As far as the LTE, it's mostly useful for people who do a lot of running, biking, etc. but still want a "lifeline" to the outside world. There is a benefit to not having to carry your phone on a long bike ride, but still be able to call someone if you have a crash or something.

For most people, the regular Bluetooth one will be fine.
 
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Juice

Member
I pay $125 for 2 unlimited phones and 2 unlimited iPads. I wonder how much T-Mobile is going to charge for Apple Watch add on lines. Hopefully no more than $10


Also: I suspect that just like GPS the modem will only engage when the phone is too far
 
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Klotera

Member
Juice said:
I pay $125 for 2 unlimited phones and 2 unlimited iPads. I wonder how much T-Mobile is going to charge for Apple Watch add on lines. Hopefully no more than $10


Also: I suspect that just like GPS the modem will only engage when the phone is too far
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Most smartwatches are $5 on top of an existing shared data plan, I believe.
 
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Draconestra

Member
As much as I want this, I also want Apple to introduce a barebones fitness band that I can eat occasionally when I want to wear a proper time piece. I personally think the design of the Apple Watch is great, but I can't always wear it when using a proper suit. It just doesn't look right.
 
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Enkidu

Member
I wonder how many cellular bands it will support. If it's a typical Apple device where there is a single worldwide configuration with several bands, I will be very interested in seeing a teardown of it.
 
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Dr. Feel Good

Banned
Juice said:
I pay $125 for 2 unlimited phones and 2 unlimited iPads. I wonder how much T-Mobile is going to charge for Apple Watch add on lines. Hopefully no more than $10


Also: I suspect that just like GPS the modem will only engage when the phone is too far
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I pay $100 for two unlimited lines on T-Mobile is iPads to add really that cheap?

Man streaming a Watch with Apple Music and AirPods would be crazy to go hiking or on a run.
 
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emag

Member
Battery life is the real bottleneck here. I wonder how that will be addressed. New battery tech? Something integrated into the watch band (additional battery or solar panels)?

Dr. Feel Good said:
I pay $100 for two unlimited lines on T-Mobile is iPads to add really that cheap?

Man streaming a Watch with Apple Music and AirPods would be crazy to go hiking or on a run.
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Adding lines to the T-Mobile One plan:
$20/month tablets
$10/month wearables (limited to 512 kbps)

Previously, wearables were just $5 with a 500 MB monthly cap on full speed data (throttled thereafter, streaming music didn't count against cap)

Unlimited talk/text on all of the above, of course.
 
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mrklaw

MrArseFace
Chittagong said:
Woo cellular has been my biggest hope. That way I could leave my phone behind and be more social, while remaining connected
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But would you really leave your phone behind in a social situation? Fitness I could imagine but I doubt this is going to be 'you can totally live without your iPhone'. I bet the battery doesn’t even support that - it’ll be designed around short bursts of phone less use like running and still being able to take calls.

The watch is too clumsy a device to do anything longer than a quick message reply or perhaps an emergency call (at least if using a BT headset, I’m not talking to my wrist)
 
Chittagong

Chittagong

Member
mrklaw said:
But would you really leave your phone behind in a social situation? Fitness I could imagine but I doubt this is going to be 'you can totally live without your iPhone'. I bet the battery doesn’t even support that - it’ll be designed around short bursts of phone less use like running and still being able to take calls.

The watch is too clumsy a device to do anything longer than a quick message reply or perhaps an emergency call (at least if using a BT headset, I’m not talking to my wrist)
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I imagine a world where people chat again in bars, instead of being heads down on their phones. A cellular watch could achieve that, you couldn't browse neogaf or read facebook, but you'd still be contactable, could order an Uber etc.
 
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Michael F. Assbender

Banned
Incitemaybe said:
I'd be interested if you could remove the band from the watch and keep it in your pocket like a tiny phone.
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0ptimusPayne

Member
Chittagong said:
I imagine a world where people chat again in bars, instead of being heads down on their phones. A cellular watch could achieve that, you couldn't browse neogaf or read facebook, but you'd still be contactable, could order an Uber etc.
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A LTE watch isn't going to stop people from bringing their shinny smartphones with them..
 
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Dr. Feel Good

Banned
Chittagong said:
I imagine a world where people chat again in bars, instead of being heads down on their phones. A cellular watch could achieve that, you couldn't browse neogaf or read facebook, but you'd still be contactable, could order an Uber etc.
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Would be actually kind of cool to challenge yourself to restrict to just a Watch. Would go back to the preset phone days of basic texting and some minor news alerts.
 
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mrklaw

MrArseFace
Chittagong said:
I imagine a world where people chat again in bars, instead of being heads down on their phones. A cellular watch could achieve that, you couldn't browse neogaf or read facebook, but you'd still be contactable, could order an Uber etc.
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You could just not get it out...

It’ll be useful in case you forget your phone. Mine held up surprisingly well using wifi at work when I forgot mine once. I wouldn’t pay extra for one I don’t think, and so far most cellular versions are a lot bulkier than wifi ones, so let’s see how apple handle that

And the UK prices are already horrible. I’ll hold on to my OG SS as long as possible
 
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Zeyphersan

Banned
mrklaw said:
You could just not get it out...

It’ll be useful in case you forget your phone. Mine held up surprisingly well using wifi at work when I forgot mine once. I wouldn’t pay extra for one I don’t think, and so far most cellular versions are a lot bulkier than wifi ones, so let’s see how apple handle that

And the UK prices are already horrible. I’ll hold on to my OG SS as long as possible
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That’s actually interesting. Wondering if the “new form factor” applies to wifi only ones (probably still with GPS) that got thinner, and the “bulkier” cellular ones are the same size as the current ones
 
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Mr. Wonderful

Member
Drifters said:
Except its not. The fact that you can get notifications that are linked with your phone without your phone is pretty powerful IMO. If anything, it will most likely be an extension of the iMessage system in MacOS except with apps. Also, LTE capability will probably mean you can get the watch with or without much like the iPad today which honestly, suits the Apple audience today just fine.
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I don't disagree with this, but I do hope it's cheap. I would imagine data use would be pretty low, with the heaviest hitters being messages, GPS, and music streaming.

Maybe it's the "Line access fee" model used by the telecoms that bothers me, especially as things all move to cellular data.
 
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Mr. Wonderful

Member
Vuze said:
Exercise, going out at night, grocery shopping... I see a lot of situations where it would be completely able to replace a phone.
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Yup. I've said it before - A powerful LTE Watch + AirPods will be a magical combination. Especially as they start to build additional functionality into the AirPods.

I'd go a step further, however, and say I want to get to the point where I have a Continuum-like experience, where I carry around a single mobile computational device at all times, and then it magically becomes my laptop, my cellphone, etc. through some sort of wireless docking.
 
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Vuze

Member
This just in: LeakPod firmware seemingly confirms Apple Watch (gizmo is its Codename) with SIM.
https://twitter.com/VenyaGeskin1/status/893924967699681280


Also 4K HDR10/DV AppleTV
https://twitter.com/_inside/status/893927364710854656

I wonder how much the new TV will go for. Contemplating to get rid of my ShieldTV if all turns out to be true. Especially after google/YT once again has proven they don’t give a shit about their own OS (the latest YT app update removed features and basically broke it for everybody who signed up before their Google+ shit. Also it’s not a native app anymore and breaks their own design guidelines. Hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.).
 
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KingV

Member
Juice said:
I pay $125 for 2 unlimited phones and 2 unlimited iPads. I wonder how much T-Mobile is going to charge for Apple Watch add on lines. Hopefully no more than $10


Also: I suspect that just like GPS the modem will only engage when the phone is too far
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Didn't realize the series 2 did that (I don't have one). Smart design since gps and lte would destroy the tiny battery on these.
 
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KingV

Member
I would not mind a world where the watch with a wifi hotspot was the cellular hub, and the slate device was more or less a fancy iPod touch.
 
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borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
Souzetsu said:
This will be replacing my Series 0. Hopefully I can get it on my Verizon account easily.
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Mine too. The series 0 was good for exactly what it was. A gen 1 wearable that got much more right than the wearables before it. That being said, it was also a very first gen Apple product. My understanding is the S1 and S2 watches are very much like iPad to iPad 2. Here is hoping S3 is more like iPhone 3GS than iPad 3 though.

Apple TV should have been known by now, especially when purchases in the UK started showing up as HDR and 4K (even though they weren’t). Apple TV is by far the best streaming box out there, provided you have a Mac to side load apps. Stupidly more powerful than its closest competitor and with tremendous official support to boot.
 
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KingV

Member
borghe said:
Mine too. The series 0 was good for exactly what it was. A gen 1 wearable that got much more right than the wearables before it. That being said, it was also a very first gen Apple product. My understanding is the S1 and S2 watches are very much like iPad to iPad 2. Here is hoping S3 is more like iPhone 3GS than iPad 3 though.

Apple TV should have been known by now, especially when purchases in the UK started showing up as HDR and 4K (even though they weren’t). Apple TV is by far the best streaming box out there, provided you have a Mac to side load apps. Stupidly more powerful than its closest competitor and with tremendous official support to boot.
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What makes it so great? I went with roku sticks because Apple TV seemed so locked in to the Apple Store. I'm kind of surprised to hear this.
 
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Vuze

Member
borghe said:
Apple TV should have been known by now, especially when purchases in the UK started showing up as HDR and 4K (even though they weren’t). Apple TV is by far the best streaming box out there, provided you have a Mac to side load apps. Stupidly more powerful than its closest competitor and with tremendous official support to boot.
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Does the 7 day limitation for free developer accounts aka free side loading exist for Apple TV as well?

E: Yeah, seems it does. Eh.
 
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Future

Member
KingV said:
What makes it so great? I went with roku sticks because Apple TV seemed so locked in to the Apple Store. I'm kind of surprised to hear this.
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I am also curious why Apple TV is awesome lol. I have one and was just about to get a fire tv
 
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mrklaw

MrArseFace
What's so great about the newer watches? Maybe I don't notice any sluggishness because I hardly ever use apps on my series 0, but notifications etc are just fine
 
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borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
Vuze said:
Does the 7 day limitation for free developer accounts aka free side loading exist for Apple TV as well?

E: Yeah, seems it does. Eh.
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You don’t need a developer account to side load to iOS or tvOS.

The reason Apple TV rules comes down to:

Being significantly more powerful than any other dedicated streaming device.

Better official mainstream support overall than almost any other streaming device.

Ability to side load pretty much any major app you can think of with a Mac. Side load it onto the most powerful streaming hardware.

Now on top of that, add 4K and Dolby HDR this fall as well.

As well as slow but there game support.

But yeah Kodi, YouTube hacks, emulators, etcc all exist through side loading. Amazon is coming. The only thing missing ATM is Spotify who will likely never come.
 
jts

jts

...hate me...
Having a gen 1, might be in for a gen 3. Don't see myself having use for a SIM-enabled Apple Watch though, except for phone-less runs?

That's so niche I'd rather find myself disconnected during those runs (might be better anyway) or find a way to carry the phone. Especially because I'm not seeing any attractive plan to have a secondary or even tertiary SIM-card.

Would totally be on board if providers started to allow you to just spread your single plan amongst many SIMs.
 
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Zeyphersan

Banned
jts said:
Having a gen 1, might be in for a gen 3. Don't see myself having use for a SIM-enabled Apple Watch though, except for phone-less runs?

That's so niche I'd rather find myself disconnected during those runs (might be better anyway) or find a way to carry the phone. Especially because I'm not seeing any attractive plan to have a secondary or even tertiary SIM-card.

Would totally be on board if providers started to allow you to just spread your single plan amongst many SIMs.
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While that would be great, what’s the incentive for that at all? They make monthly money on connected tablets and wearables now
 
jts

jts

...hate me...
Zeyphersan said:
While that would be great, what’s the incentive for that at all? They make monthly money on connected tablets and wearables now
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I'm not saying that I see it happening, but if it did it could be just a general competition-driven innovation (LOL) or even something like communist EU pushing for it.
 
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Souzetsu

Member
borghe said:
Mine too. The series 0 was good for exactly what it was. A gen 1 wearable that got much more right than the wearables before it. That being said, it was also a very first gen Apple product. My understanding is the S1 and S2 watches are very much like iPad to iPad 2. Here is hoping S3 is more like iPhone 3GS than iPad 3 though.

Apple TV should have been known by now, especially when purchases in the UK started showing up as HDR and 4K (even though they weren’t). Apple TV is by far the best streaming box out there, provided you have a Mac to side load apps. Stupidly more powerful than its closest competitor and with tremendous official support to boot.
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I've never used a Series 1 or 2 Watch so the jump in performance for me will be big no matter what, but I'm really interested in seeing what Apple does for Series 3 performance.

I've never really looked into sideloading on the Apple TV. That makes me and my family members more interested in getting one, especially if Kodi works well.
 
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