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NPD June 2012 Results [Up1: Microsoft/Nintendo Hardware, Lego Batman 2, Lollipop]

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Nnamz

Banned
Digital sales are not tracked. I'm not claiming GR and Resistance secretly sold millions, but calling them outright bombas at this point, especially given Vita's userbase size right now, is silly when we are missing a HUGE chunk of the overall sales.

(Remember, GR was at <60k before it dropped off the Japanese charts, then shortly after it was announced that the shipped + DD sales > 100k)
 
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metalslimer

Member
Nnamz said:
Digital sales are not tracked. I'm not claiming GR and Resistance secretly sold millions, but calling them outright bombas at this point, especially given Vita's userbase size right now, is silly when we are missing a HUGE chunk of the overall sales.

(Remember, GR was at <60k before it dropped off the Japanese charts, then shortly after it was announced that the shipped + DD sales > 100k)
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Even if we assume digital sales are 50% of retail (an extremely high estimate) it's still doesn't look good. Blaming the userbase is a valid reason, but it still doesn't mean these projects will be profitable in the end.
 
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Nnamz

Banned
metalslimer said:
Even if we assume digital sales are 50% of retail (an extremely high estimate) it's still doesn't look good. Blaming the userbase is a valid reason, but it still doesn't mean these projects will be profitable in the end.
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Launching a game like that on a system like Vita, I doubt Japan Studio or Sony expected it to sell as much as you or anyone else here.

I doubt it was profitable though, not yet anyway, but I expect legs.
 
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Yopis

Member
Nnamz said:
Digital sales are not tracked. I'm not claiming GR and Resistance secretly sold millions, but calling them outright bombas at this point, especially given Vita's userbase size right now, is silly when we are missing a HUGE chunk of the overall sales.

(Remember, GR was at <60k before it dropped off the Japanese charts, then shortly after it was announced that the shipped + DD sales > 100k)
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Exactly grabbed GR from PSN. Having new titles same day as Brick and Mortar changes things.

Hope GR is not Vitas Heavenly Sword.
 
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Man God

Non-Canon Member
Luckily Nintendo will actually give us numbers for NSMB2 downloads so this won't be a straw man for those arguments in two months.
 
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Instro

Member
Nnamz said:
Digital sales are not tracked. I'm not claiming GR and Resistance secretly sold millions, but calling them outright bombas at this point, especially given Vita's userbase size right now, is silly when we are missing a HUGE chunk of the overall sales.

(Remember, GR was at <60k before it dropped off the Japanese charts, then shortly after it was announced that the shipped + DD sales > 100k)
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Um, if they gave shipped numbers then the 100k figure is meaningless.
 
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Dalthien

Member
metalslimer said:
Holy jesus 650k holiday sales and they might as cancel the thing now. You realize 650k between the three biggest months of the year would be one of the biggest disasters in sales history?
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It's still too early to make any holiday predictions, but if Vita doesn't get a price drop within the 6 weeks or so, then retail won't be carrying anything but tiny quantities of Vita for the holidays. They won't be taking up precious holiday shelf space and stocking up on large quantities of anything that expensive that has been selling 15k/wk for months now.

Without a price cut soon, Vita may very well have an awful holiday season just because there won't be many available at retail for customers to buy anyway.
 
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Father_Brain

Banned
Dalthien said:
It's still too early to make any holiday predictions, but if Vita doesn't get a price drop within the 6 weeks or so, then retail won't be carrying anything but tiny quantities of Vita for the holidays. They won't be taking up precious holiday shelf space and stocking up on large quantities of anything that expensive that has been selling 15k/wk for months now.

Without a price cut soon, Vita may very well have an awful holiday season just because there won't be many available at retail for customers to buy anyway.
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You think Sony basically has to announce a price drop alongside their Q1 results for Vita to even have a chance of recovering this holiday? Yikes if it's really that stark.
 
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metalslimer

Member
Father_Brain said:
You think Sony basically has to announce a price drop alongside their Q1 results for Vita to even have a chance of recovering this holiday? Yikes if it's really that stark.
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To have any shot at coming anywhere near 10 million (they won't anyway but to at least have a shot at a lowered prediction) they need to price cut immediately. Like I said though if 650k was the best Vita could do during the holiday season, that would be the death of the platform in my and most publisher's eyes. But yeah I'm predicting a price drop to 200 especially with the Assassin's Creed bundle costing 250.
 
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Man God

Non-Canon Member
Unless Sony does something insane like a pricedrop to 99 dollars there is no way they get anywhere near 10 million.
 
DR2K

DR2K

Banned
AranhaHunter said:
Vita is mediocre as usual, but I hope no one is thinking 3DS is doing well with those sorry numbers.
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Hey now it's doing 8% more than when it was selling for $250 with no software.

OldJadedGamer said:
Thats because it is being dragged out. I haven't bought a single retail game this year. Only buy XBLA and rent games from PS+. Ready for new systems.
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The only thing being dragged out is hardware pricing, overall it is too high across the board.

DS needs to die and Nintendo needs to focus on 3DS. I have no doubt in my mind that of all the DS sold most of them would have been 3DS sales had the option not been there. PSP needs to end too, focus 100% on making Vita a success.
 
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HocusPocus

Member
I wonder how much Vita failing is going to hurt PS4 in terms of the amount of loss they can handle per unit to give the power their customers want. They needed it to do well considering their current losses.
 
Xenon

Xenon

Member
Kazerei said:
No PS3 numbers?
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east of eastside

Banned
I'm so tired of Vita and 3DS. I wish they would fuck off and die already, this industry needs focus on fewer platforms and their is already one undisputed portable king called iOS.
 
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AranhaHunter

Banned
Kusagari said:
You call the Vita numbers mediocre, but the 3DS ones sorry?

lol
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Yes? Mediocre = pathetically bad. Sorry = bad. I don't know how much clearer I can get.

east of eastside said:
I'm so tired of Vita and 3DS. I wish they would fuck off and die already, this industry needs focus on fewer platforms and their is already one undisputed portable king called iOS.
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I agree, though I wouldn't say they should fuck off and die, surely some people will get enjoyment out of those systems. I might even get one of those, eventually.
 
Xenon

Xenon

Member
east of eastside said:
I'm so tired of Vita and 3DS. I wish they would fuck off and die already, this industry needs focus on fewer platforms and their is already one undisputed portable king called iOS.
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The only fitting punishment for saying something that stupid is making you play touch games for the rest of your life.
 
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cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
east of eastside said:
I'm so tired of Vita and 3DS. I wish they would fuck off and die already, this industry needs focus on fewer platforms and their is already one undisputed portable king called iOS.
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Most disgusting post I have ever read on GAF :-/
 
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east of eastside

Banned
Xenon said:
The only fitting punishment for saying something that stupid is making you play touch games for the rest of your life.
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The industry needs progress, not clinging to a couple of archaic, socially antiquated devices that nobody over 15 wants to be caught dead in public playing.
 
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Tallshortman

Member
east of eastside said:
I'm so tired of Vita and 3DS. I wish they would fuck off and die already, this industry needs focus on fewer platforms and their is already one undisputed portable king called iOS.
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I have an iOS device and most traditional games are complete shit. The only critically acclaimed iOS games I've enjoyed are tiny wings, angry birds, and scribblenaughts. Games made for touch are perfectly fine but traditional games and pure shit. Also, don't try to suggest I get some terrible third party controller add on for my iPhone.

I mean the I still don't understand the appeal of games like Infinity Blade where you don't even get to fucking move and the whole game is basically a point and click with minigame-like combat. Yeah it's nice to look at but there's practically no substance.
 
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Speevy

Banned
east of eastside said:
The industry needs progress, not clinging to a couple of archaic, socially antiquated devices that nobody over 15 wants to be caught dead in public playing.
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So your idea of progress is dumbing down game design so it can accommodate a touch screen?

Why can't we have both?

Oh wait, we do. They're called the DS, 3DS, and Vita.
 
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east of eastside

Banned
Gravity Daze should be on PS3 and Vita shouldn't even exist. That's about all I can say...I've never understood the concept of core gaming/dumbed down console gaming on portables, I've always subscribed to the short burst portable play philosophy and mobile takes care of that fine.
 
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Speevy

Banned
east of eastside said:
Gravity Daze should be on PS3 and Vita shouldn't even exist. That's about all I can say...I've never understood the concept of core gaming/dumbed down console gaming on portables, I've always subscribed to the short burst portable play philosophy and mobile takes care of that fine.
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Would you consider a game like Sonic and Sega Superstars Racing to be a "core" game?

My 5 year old nephew plays this game very well, and while it suits the iOS platform fine, the controls are wretched compared to every single other platform on which it features.

And why should platforms be narrowly defined?

If Microsoft took your advice, Xbox Live Arcade would still be what it started out as, which was (according to them in 2005, paraphrased) "a platform for small games." Thankfully it evolved to include everything from shooters to RPGs.

The fact is, a guy who is on a long commute and wants to play Ys 7 is just as entitled to do so as someone who wants to play Nintendogs on their bed.

Touch-only gaming is an inferior way to play most games, and so it shouldn't replace most games, on any platform.
 
GraveRobberX

GraveRobberX

Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
OldJadedGamer said:
Thats because it is being dragged out. I haven't bought a single retail game this year. Only buy XBLA and rent games from PS+. Ready for new systems.
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I've been the complete opposite lol

Bought to many retail (just wait a month or two games get slashed 75%+) & PS+ rental to boot

Damn how many Pokemon Conquest copies did they make
Looks like all 100k are accounted for, GAF + other websites were searching left and right for that game, low print?

Looks like PS3 Super Slim is a lock in August for Gamescom ala $199.99 model it looks like
 
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