velociraptor
Junior Member
What? The usage of the PS4 OS is said to be 1.5GB at the moment. That sounds pretty good to me. Besides, this information is based upon the devkits.
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hydragonwarrior
Member
Hyperbole Fridays do not disappoint.
Vestal
Junior Member
Ask yourself this, why would you need it for the X1? Have you booted up windows 8 or 7 lately? Tell me what the OS footprint is when you launch it.
Right now on my system, with Steam up, Firefox up with 9 tabs, Baldurs Gate minimized, PS3 Media Server running, IE10 running with 6 tabs, my Footprint is 3GB(16GB my total memory).
Top offenders in memory are:
Firefox 730meg
Java 684meg
IE 412meg
Steam 90.7
My system usually starts up taking about 1.3GB.. This is a PC, thus not a closed system.
It's sad, that reasonable arguments (famousmortimer) are made here and get accepted but when MS came out with their footprint for the OS, everybody was bashing them for having only 5GB for games.
That said, if this is true, it is still more than enough and still has more bandwidth.
That said, if this is true, it is still more than enough and still has more bandwidth.
mentalfloss
Banned
It looks like it could go either way on PS4.
It really depends on how the devs want to use that 1GB of leeway RAM.
Devs WILL need it eventually, I'd say give it to them from the get go and take 2.5 for OS, then as memory foot print gets smaller release more RAM for devs, happy middle ground.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I have to concurr. For all my dislike for Microsoft as a company, I put far more faith in them when it comes to reducing OS footprints than I do Sony.
You cannot use the "They can unlock it later" defence for one and not apply it to the other.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I have news for you, I use my powerful gaming rig and 16GB of memory for Streaming. up to 5.5gb may be available at launch and they seem to be provisioning the rest and playing it safe. I don't think I've seen one dev complain about either Xbone or PS4 in this regard.
shinobi602
Member
Well, still can't give out too much info on that one apparently. Supposedly can be "called back" from dev tools. The bottom line is that it's there if required.
MS does the same.
The PS4 was differentiating it from the XB1 by being focused on the gamers and they celebrated that aspect which is based on specs (which early adopters do care about) but now both consoles are closer than thought before. People already raised an eyebrow when devs said their won't be significant changes between the PS4 and XB1 version of multiplatform when everybody assumed 7GB was reserved for games.
PS4 was marketed as being a the no-brainer choice for those who care about games, performance, specs and policies. MS leveled the DRM stuff and now specs wise it turns out to be close enough that it isn't much of an issue with multiplatform games.
All i'm saying is that Sony enjoyed the limelight of being this and that but it seems it's going to be the same as in this gen where an enthusiast's choice of console will be based on his tastes and thoughts about the first-party content rather than significant differences in hardware, utilization and DRM.
Welp, thanks for nothing Sony.
Really, you're just showing that you're incredibly flippant and impulsive with your major purchasing decisions.
They haven't for fucks sake.
The 8GB was only confirmed a few months back and all current games have been developed around the lesser amount. Sony will still have not finished the os and the extra ram will have opened up a few possibilities for them which needs to be explored.
Sony will give back any ram they don't use, same as ms presumably.
People cancelling pre orders over this stuff seriously need to get a grip and buy some anti slaphead pills.
darkressurection
Banned
Man, I love how easy it is to be an industry insider on GAF. Here let me try:
So, I just got done speaking to my sources who are telling me that this info is incorrect.
- The amount of usable RAM cited in the article is incorrect at the moment, but I've been told that everything is still in flux as the final dev kits come together.
- My source told me that everyone in his studio is super happy with the amount of current usable RAM but he can't give me any specifics at the moment.
- They also told me that there is some neat OS stuff in the pipe that hasn't been announced yet.
There we go, now everything I have said can be taken as gospel!
In all seriousness though, whether it is the sources Eurogamer has or the sources all these GAF insiders have the only actual sensible thing to do is weigh all this information as it comes out. Obviously unless Sony says something or concrete evidence is leaked, pretty much everything that everyone is saying in this thread is conjecture.
So, I just got done speaking to my sources who are telling me that this info is incorrect.
- The amount of usable RAM cited in the article is incorrect at the moment, but I've been told that everything is still in flux as the final dev kits come together.
- My source told me that everyone in his studio is super happy with the amount of current usable RAM but he can't give me any specifics at the moment.
- They also told me that there is some neat OS stuff in the pipe that hasn't been announced yet.
There we go, now everything I have said can be taken as gospel!
In all seriousness though, whether it is the sources Eurogamer has or the sources all these GAF insiders have the only actual sensible thing to do is weigh all this information as it comes out. Obviously unless Sony says something or concrete evidence is leaked, pretty much everything that everyone is saying in this thread is conjecture.
The amount of spin in this post is making me dizzy.
mangochutney
Member
Except we had devs at PS3 launch complaining already that there wasn't enough RAM.
Additionally, you'd think as time goes by memory usage would go down as things become more efficient and tweaked, whereas at launch you're not used to the system and it'l not be as optimized.
Can Crusher
Banned
You don't know what Sony is planning for the future. If this is true you don't know how much RAM will be freed either.
Developers don't know what to do with more than 5 GB of Ram? So let's reserve an insane amount of ram for features we don't know about?
What kind of logic is that? If you apply that logic to everything else in the system, the argument collapses on itself. Let's reserve 30/40% of all system resources for future proofing, because it's not just that devs now won't really know how to take full advantage of all the RAM, they also won't know how to take full advantage of everything else. As we see with every gen, devs are always learning.
So your premise is a dead end. You don't reserve a significant amount of resources for features that don't exist, you reserve them for features you see coming up. Also, it's a losing bet to predict a game changing feature midway through a generation. Fact is, any features you can't see coming in the near future, will have little to no effect on a system's success, because by the time they happen these systems will be out dated in comparison to other devices.
TheJollyCorner
Member
I wouldn't doubt some of the people 'cancelling preorders' never had it preordered to begin with.
The others are just being hilariously sarcastic.
edit: lol- apparently some truly have cancelled their preorders and are posting screen shots? Embarrassing. :\
This. If people can't understand why people who want the best games possible are bothered by the news that it looks like only 55% of the memory will be available for developers, well IDK what to say.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
repost:
Reserved 1gb may simply because of the devkits only have same RAM amount as retail boxes. Pretty hard to be sure your games performing correctly if you're using a GB of phantom RAM you don't have due to dev tools and stuff taking it up but "will" have when better kits roll out.
Reserved 1gb may simply because of the devkits only have same RAM amount as retail boxes. Pretty hard to be sure your games performing correctly if you're using a GB of phantom RAM you don't have due to dev tools and stuff taking it up but "will" have when better kits roll out.
childplease
Banned
No you can tell too. It looks kinda jaggy and bad they didnt want to repeat the mistake of their kz2 "tech" demo again and actually showed gameplay.
AcceptableGhost
Member
OS features use RAM and they are reserving RAM for updates down the line, news at 11.
I didn't know that the previous 4gb PS4 had no OS and devs could use the full 4gb
Herp derp
BrainZEROX
Member
Well we don't really know what's left for a XB1 game when the game OS takes its toll in the 5GB memory space they are allocated. I don't think a XB1 game will get 5GB out of 5 when the game OS also has to run in the same memory space. But I may be wrong.
Zatoichi's Cane
Member
Welp, thanks for nothing Sony.
lol you can't be serious... you people are hilarious. Canceling your preorder because you read something on a forum based on a rumor...
So although a maximum 5.5 GB is avalable for devs right now, the OS only uses 1.5GB currently.
At least it isn't all confirmed to be used for the OS, i.e. 3.5 GB. Makes it likely that it is a flexibility issue until things are finalised.
Agree, MS was crucified for this same thing a few weeks ago. Now Sony does it and now it's all decent conversation and reason.
When it was MS it was all hahaha and MS sux posts.
It has
Wow checked taskmanager to see how much my 50 tabbed firefox does. It taks almost 1gigs wow.
I'm guessing optional OS functions.
Maybe it turns off some OS feature when claimed? (Recording video, switching games ...)
statham
Member
maybe for PSeye?
SEGAvangelist
Member
Yeah, no...
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
Man, I love how easy it is to be an industry insider on GAF. Here let me try:
So, I just got done speaking to my sources who are telling me that this info is incorrect.
- The amount of usable RAM cited in the article is incorrect at the moment, but I've been told that everything is still in flux as the final dev kits come together.
- My source told me that everyone in his studio is super happy with the amount of current usable RAM but he can't give me any specifics at the moment.
- They also told me that there is some neat OS stuff in the pipe that hasn't been announced yet.
There we go, now everything I have said can be taken as gospel!
In all seriousness though, whether it is the sources Eurogamer has or the sources all these GAF insiders have the only actual sensible thing to do is weigh all this information as it comes out. Obviously unless Sony says something or concrete evidence is leaked, pretty much everything that everyone is saying in this thread is conjecture.
Some people have gone mad.
So okay. The 1gb reserve might mean that.
The current dev kits only allow for 4.5gb because of reasons.
The OS currently only uses 1.5gb
Sony plans to hold on to an additional 1gb for future features.
The "reserved" 1gb isn't accessible with current dev kits, but will be down the road.
And Devs think 4.5gb right now is more than enough.
The current dev kits only allow for 4.5gb because of reasons.
The OS currently only uses 1.5gb
Sony plans to hold on to an additional 1gb for future features.
The "reserved" 1gb isn't accessible with current dev kits, but will be down the road.
And Devs think 4.5gb right now is more than enough.
Computer
Member
Xbox One has 5 Gigs plus 32 mb of the fastest ram available eSRAM for gaming.
Sony has 4.5 Gigs Thats why
Zombie James
Banned
Thanks for the numbers, really brings things into better focus now.
This is stupid as hell if the OS is that bloated. Wasn't it supposed to be 512mb before the up to 8GB? What the hell happened?
If their source really is just the old Shadow Fall slides from Feb I can't see this holding up for the final console. That's just the limit for the old dev kits. Would be an absolute waste to have all that GDDR5 in and so much go for the OS.
If their source really is just the old Shadow Fall slides from Feb I can't see this holding up for the final console. That's just the limit for the old dev kits. Would be an absolute waste to have all that GDDR5 in and so much go for the OS.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Because he's wrong. That's my opinion. Is that ok with you?
I'm not even mad but more frustrated that you take offense with me disagreeing. It's really not that important to respond to me 2-3 times.
SlowRevolution
Member
canceling my preorder and buying four ouyas instead.
brandonh83
Banned
There's nothing funny about it. It's kind of more like, the last scene in No Country for Old Men, where
Tommy Lee Jones just kind of admits defeat and doesn't fucking understand this world anymore
"Revolutionary Kinect Sensor" who the fuck talks like that?
People have their own agenda. Some just are just blinded in their judgment to an astronomical extent. the same news can be of two completely opposed opinions depending on what side you are standing from.
Pretty much. This ram allocation thing has me rethinking my ditching Xbox1 for PS4.
Did anyone start a twitter campaign yet?
You have no idea what you are talking about