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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
cank stoochie said:
i wonder if they can fit an entire season of 24 on one blu-ray disk. that would be awesome not having to get up and swap discs:D

Not with extras in HD, 200gigs would though
But as anyone would say, that is probably a couple years off from mass production.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Crap, I did not see the Departed was set for release!

*orders*
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
plagiarize said:
i won't argue with that... but the same thing goes for all the exclusive studios which ever format they support.

The truth is though, we will probably never know the true reasons behind decisions like this... would be kinda cool to know though :)
 
Suikoguy said:
The truth is though, we will probably never know the true reasons behind decisions like this... would be kinda cool to know though :)
it sure would. some day when the dust has settled i wouldn't be surprised if it makes for a great book.

i'd love to see everyone supporting both, but hey, my crazy ideals are never going to happen :)
 

Zaptruder

Banned
Suikoguy said:
The truth is though, we will probably never know the true reasons behind decisions like this... would be kinda cool to know though :)

What's there to know?

Universal has a vested interest in the success of HD-DVD; most probably in terms of patent royalties.

Sony has a vested interest in the success of BD; most definetly in terms of patent royalties.

Other companies have sided with BD because they see it as the very likely victor in the format wars; thanks PS3... and that they all realise that the HD media industry will be more successful, quicker, when they have only a single format out there to reduce confusion among consumers.

The true reasons behind things is always the bottom line.
 

number386

Member
Just in time for the theatrical release of the third 'Pirates' epic, Disney has set a May 22 voyage for 'Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl' and 'Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest.' These guaranteed huge sellers will be followed on June 5 by 'Cars,' the Pixar hit and current favorite for this year's Best Animated Film Oscar.

Sorry if old. Pirates, and cars have been dated, damn pirates is half a year away. =(. If they use a 50GB dual layer,h2.64 and java for navigation it would be worth the wait.
 

Rayo

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Google Trends...
 

Petrarca

Banned
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...s/Disney_Sets_Pirates,_Cars_Blu-ray_Dates/448

Disney Sets 'Pirates,' 'Cars' Blu-ray Dates
Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 04:16 PM ET
Tags: Disc Announcements, Disney, Pixar (all tags)

In what are sure to be three of the biggest-selling next-gen titles yet, Disney has set Spring street dates for the Blu-ray releases of the blockbuster 'Pirates of the Caribbean' films, and Pixar's first high-def title, 'Cars.'

Just in time for the theatrical release of the third 'Pirates' epic, Disney has set a May 22 voyage for 'Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl' and 'Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest.' These guaranteed huge sellers will be followed on June 5 by 'Cars,' the Pixar hit and current favorite for this year's Best Animated Film Oscar.

The dates recently began filtering to online retailer outlets earlier this week, and Disney has trumpeted the news in a full-page ad in the print version of this week's Video Business, the industry trade paper.

Though no official press release has been issued as of yet, word to High-Def Digest from the studio is that full details are on the way soon. So we'll certainly keep you posted on tech specs, bonus features and box art as soon as word arrives on these highly-anticipated releases.

In the meantime, we've updated the listings for all three titles to our complete Blu-ray Release Schedule.

We also set up dedicated threads for these latest Disney titles in our new Forums area -- click the following links to discuss the 'Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl' Blu-ray release, the 'Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest' Blu-ray release and the 'Cars' Blu-ray release.
 
Uber Player said:
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Google Trends...

Most ordinary Joes who want to upgrade, will search HD DVD (which may include Blu-ray movies). That's just common sense. You only search for Blu-ray when you're specifically looking for it.
 

teiresias

Member
Not to mention you see Blu-Ray misspelled or mishyphenated all the time, which further skews news and search trend results.
 
I can't believe you're even discussing about Google Trends. Sorry to Uber Player but it was the most useless post in this thread. We're talking about sales and support from movie studios here, things that actually matter.
 

Petrarca

Banned
fortified_concept said:
I can't believe you're even discussing about Google Trends. Sorry to Uber Player but it was the most useless post in this thread. We're talking about sales and support from movie studios here, things that actually matter.

Well when your camp has no other advantage, you use whatever you can, including shit :lol
 

wasting

Banned
fortified_concept said:
I can't believe you're even discussing about Google Trends. Sorry to Uber Player but it was the most useless post in this thread. We're talking about sales and support from movie studios here, things that actually matter.

:lol
 

Petrarca

Banned
ChrisJames said:
So having Universal movies exclusively on HD-DVD isn't an advantage?

how is it an advantage, when the other camp is EXCLUSIVELY supported by Disney/FOX/MGM/Sony/Lions Gate

no matter how you look at it, HD-DVD is fast becoming Betamax 2 :lol
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
ChrisJames said:
So having Universal movies exclusively on HD-DVD isn't an advantage?

It does not help when Universal is barely announcing any support,
It does not help when it's the one of the few advantages you have either.
 

ManaByte

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Suikoguy said:
It does not help when Universal is barely announcing any support,
It does not help when it's the one of the few advantages you have either.

Most, aside from the Spielberg stuff that's at least 4 years away (if EVER), of the major Universal catalog releases are already out and sitting on store shelves. I'm still catching up on titles. There are over 30 HD-DVD releases out I still want to pick up, while I already have everything I want on BRD :/
 
Petrarca said:
how is it an advantage, when the other camp is EXCLUSIVELY supported by Disney/FOX/MGM/Sony/Lions Gate

no matter how you look at it, HD-DVD is fast becoming Betamax 2 :lol

The fact that you can get an HD-DVD player for around $300-400 and with the 360 add-on
now, there is no way that HD-DVD is going under soon. I'm not going to get into a battle over this. Just trying to defend HD-DVD a little, because I love mine very much and have no complaints about studio support. Would I love to have Disney, Fox, etc. on HD-DVD? Hell yes. However, if I want those bad enough I can just buy a PS3 and will be getting a hell of a gaming system with a blu-ray player.
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
ManaByte said:
Most, aside from the Spielberg stuff that's at least 4 years away (if EVER), of the major Universal catalog releases are already out and sitting on store shelves. I'm still catching up on titles. There are over 30 HD-DVD releases out I still want to pick up, while I already have everything I want on BRD :/

So... err.. that's not really helping the case for HD-DVD very much,

If universal already blew it's releases out of the proverbial pipe, then what happens when Disney actually starts releasing it's core titles over the next year?
 

Petrarca

Banned
ChrisJames said:
The fact that you can get an HD-DVD player for around $300-400 and with the 360 add-on
now, there is no way that HD-DVD is going under soon. I'm not going to get into a battle over this. Just trying to defend HD-DVD a little, because I love mine very much and have no complaints about studio support. Would I love to have Disney, Fox, etc. on HD-DVD? Hell yes. However, if I want those bad enough I can just buy a PS3 and will be getting a hell of a gaming system with a blu-ray player.

I guess as they said, you get what you pay for.....

would you pay for something that is $400, but only plays movies from 3 out of 8 major studios...or would you pay $500 for something that plays movies from 7 out of 8 major studios?
 

ManaByte

Member
Suikoguy said:
So... err.. that's not really helping the case for HD-DVD very much,

If universal already blew it's releases out of the proverbial pipe, then what happens when Disney actually starts releasing it's core titles over the next year?

Since when the **** is having a large library of titles on store shelves a bad thing? When it's HD-DVD? Seriously?
 

Bebpo

Banned
ManaByte said:
Since when the **** is having a large library of titles on store shelves a bad thing? When it's HD-DVD? Seriously?

It's a great thing!

But it's a bad thing a year down the line when everyone on Blu-ray is putting out their killer apps and HD-DVD has nothing to counter with.
 
you guys shouldn't discount sub $300 player. Especially, with a HD attach to a popular and establish name as DVD. Most people still don't know what blu-ray means, but if you say HD DVD, they immediately understand.
 
People want new releases on the same day the dvd comes out and Blu-Ray is dominating and will continue to dominate from now on. When is the last time Universal had a new movie out that was a hit?
 

Andy787

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I don't know how indicative it is, but aside from the Amazon charts, DVDEmpire updated their chart and Blu-Ray continues to climb:

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It's been nearing 60% for a few weeks now, I think this is the first time its surpassed it. Pretty impressive. Also, you can check the sales rank for any product on Buy.com, and checking the top Blu-Ray and HD DVDs shows the Blu-Ray releases significantly higher, too.

BoboBrazil said:
People want new releases on the same day the dvd comes out and Blu-Ray is dominating and will continue to dominate from now on. When is the last time Universal had a new movie out that was a hit?
Last year they were only the sixth largest studio, and considering Sony, Disney, and Fox were 1, 2, and 3, hopefully this year will see Blu-Ray quickly cement itself as the definitive successor to DVD. These format wars are ****ing stupid, and I'd like to see the better format win.
 

Bad_Boy

time to take my meds
You gotta admit, blu-ray is doing a shit load better than it was when it first launched. More hardware out there (specifically from PS3; and that will continue to increase w/ europe launch), and improved software (not only in quantity, but in IQ and quality of bigger name movies). The sales are showing. I'm interested in how things will go in the next 12 months. The companies backing blu-ray have gotta be happy with the improvement.
 
BoboBrazil said:
People want new releases on the same day the dvd comes out and Blu-Ray is dominating and will continue to dominate from now on. When is the last time Universal had a new movie out that was a hit?

Children of Men... United 93...

Also anyone who says Universal is being stupid by not announcing titles doesn't understand the bigger picture. Universal is not trying to release "everything" all at once. They are trying to slowly filter out good, quality, titles, for HD-DVD to increase its life expectency. The longer HD-DVD remains a contender the better chance it has at winning the format war.

Heres more information...

I communicated that while our membership was very pleased with the innovation Universal had shown with some of their titles so far, they were disappointed that we hadn’t heard anything about Universal’s upcoming releases in some time, especially in given the recent exclusive Blu-ray titles announced. Ken reiterated Universal's exclusive support for HD DVD and was apologetic for the lack of news coming specifically from Universal at CES. He said that a primary focus for the HD DVD Promotional Group at CES was highlighting progress for the format overall in addition to title announcements, and that Universal's priority has been on the quality of releases, ways to further expand the interactivity on their discs, and prepping titles for release instead of rushing title announcements.

Q: How committed are you to releasing catalog titles on HD DVD in addition to new releases?

A: Universal will be very aggressive with the catalog this year. There will be over 100 releases this year. Ken stresses wanting to create the interactive experience when they have the special features to do so and not just throw titles out there.

People in this thread will try and make you think that this battle is going to be over in a couple of weeks. That is just not the case.

Universal already has a collection available right now for HD-DVD that destroys all the content that was released last year for Blu-Ray. Just be patient and Universal will start rolling out announcements...
 

Petrarca

Banned
well blu-ray keeps extending its lead in both Amazon and DVDEmpire. I expect even better results for blu-ray in brick mortar stores, such as best buy and circuit city, since most of BDA advertising money goes there
 

Aaron

Member
Petrarca said:
well blu-ray keeps extending its lead in both Amazon and DVDEmpire. I expect even better results for blu-ray in brick mortar stores, such as best buy and circuit city, since most of BDA advertising money goes there
My local Best Buy and Circuit City do everything they can to ignore both formats, shoving them to the side where they're out of the way.
 
Aaron said:
My local Best Buy and Circuit City do everything they can to ignore both formats, shoving them to the side where they're out of the way.

Retailers more than anyone want this stupid format war to end. They have to stock the same movie on both formats. Cataloging and pricing must be such a headache for them.

Blu-ray has taken the sales lead for good and given the massive titles that are coming out, it'll only widen.

The problem of course is Universal. They can't just port over their HD DVD transfers to Blu-ray because Most Blu-ray players (except the PS3) can't play full Java. This might be a deciding factor. We'd know the situation a lot clearly if Java had completed.
 

Petrarca

Banned
This poster at AVS summarized well at the current situation. The war is coming to conclusion, some people will openly deny it, but deep down we all know it's ending

AVS forum was once the HD-DVD strongest bastion, and even there now the atmosphere is changing rapidly

The War is Over. Blu-ray has won, and deep down we all know it

Blu-ray is stomping HD-DVD in sales and movies and STILL has all the CE and studio support advantage it has enjoyed since the beginning. It's over. The war is over. Blu-ray won and all we have to do is wait for HD-DVD to CONTINUE to die. And deep down we all know it.

It really makes sense for self described Blu-ray fanboys like me to not post much anymore on here: Blu-ray is winning in absolutely everything and has no signs of slowing down. And it is winning with everything that counts. Capacity, bandwidth, number of movies, number of studios, numbers of players to choose from, copy protection with new methods yet to be implemented while HD-DVD is stuck, disc reliability with owners of both formats reporting Blu-ray is much more reliable, Blu-ray discs are on average CHEAPER because of no combos, and now Blu-ray has a very clear lead in SALES. I mean what else left is there? We've been hearing for months how "studios will just follow the money" but notice you don't hear that coming from the other side anymore.

What's funny if you look back, the HD-DVD camp has been wrong about just about everything. Hindsight is 20-20. Just look how many "regulars" don't post anymore on here and don't infiltrate every thread. There is a REASON why they don't post much anymore on here. There is nothing really left to argue over. And when they do, the arguments now a days have become just sad and not interesting, which is why I don't post much anymore. I know deep down that they are laughing a little bit inside when the arguments have turned to pornography and Shinco players with no price or release dates. It was fun when we didn't know what the future held as much and the arguments were heated, but now we are supposed to take HD-DVD seriously?

It's amazing how BD proved all these arguments wrong.

Let me summarize:

Remember BD-50's were just science fiction and would never come out? BD-50's were "inherently flawed." Then they did come out.

Then BD-50's were too expensive and wouldn't be common. They were inherently flawed to always be expensive and rare and "not needed." Why? Because the side arguing didn't have the capacity. Then they became more common.

Then MPEG-2 and BD-25 could not reproduce great quality--it was inherently flawed. Then MI:III came out.

Then BD players were all "twice the price of HD-DVD" because they were "all" $1000. And none of these people ever insinuated that these prices would go down--this was an inherent flaw to BD. Then the Sammy dropped to $599 on Amazon and the PS3 was released.

Then the Xbox 360 add-on would "neutralize" the PS3. It did not.

Then MS would announce an HD-DVD drive "built in" to neutralize the PS3. Then they denied that this was ever in the plans.

Then Triple Layer discs (which many recall were announced LAST year) were going to "neutralize the BD capacity advantage." But they never saw the light of day, and are STILL vaporware.

Then Blu-ray's were "vulnerable" to scratches, much moreso than HD-DVD, and they were inherently flawed for rental companies. But then people on here began to realise that it is HD-DVD that is much more vulnerable to scratches and Blu-ray discs were MUCH more reliable. A poll on here found only 3.7% of Blu-ray owners had a problem playing a rental while 25% of HD-DVD owners did. And guys like Gary and Fettastic, who were once hardcore HD-DVD fans who blasted Blu-ray every chance they got last summer, admitted that Blu-ray discs are much more reliable to own and much more resistant to scratches than HD-DVD's. And now these guys are Blu-ray fans! So that argument went away too.

Then the PS3 was released and the "poor sales" proved it would have no effect on Blu-ray. Then it went on to outsell the 360 comparatively at it's launch and now Blu-ray is clearly ahead in sales.

Since at this time of the PS3 launch the HD-DVD fan still had sales arguments on their side, then the arguments were that "studios would follow the money" so it isn't an idiotic decision to support a format that has only 3 major studios releasing content on it, because it was "just a matter of time" before studios would "see the light." Never happened. Still only 3 major studios releasing content on a format that is still basically just Toshiba and an optional video game console add-on, with still only one exclusive studio who seems uninterested in fully supporting the format with "100" mystery titles to be release sometime this year, 90% of which will be on combo! THAT is HD-DVD. And oh, about those sales arguments, well Blu-ray is now outselling HD-DVD so obviously we don't hear the "follow the money" slogan anymore. Notice that? The hope is now in cheap porn and Chinese junk players--and oh, in case you forgot, these players don't have any announced prices or release dates, just like the movies.

After the PS3 arguments the goalposts were switched to CES. CES was going to be big for HD-DVD with new studios going neutral for them and new big name CE companies coming on board. They knew they needed some major CE support and at least one studio going neutral, and this hope was so great that there were literally posters PROMISING people that at least one Blu-ray studio would go neutral at CES. Didn't happen. And as far as CE all they got was some junk names like Shinco not one of them has ever owned, and a bunch of "mystery movies" with no release dates. And oh, don't forget that giant lump of coal from Universal.

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These arguments all turned out to be wrong. But at least they were somewhat interesting because we were all waiting with baited breath to see how the PS3 would effect sales and what would happen at CES.

And now that it has turned out that things are not better for HD-DVD now but FAR FAR WORSE, with all the problems they had before but now they have to contend with a better selling Blu-ray who has more movies coming out every week in February than HD-DVD has for the entire month, and you have a situation where there is no real reason to get into arguments anymore on here regarding a "war" because there is no war--we should all admit that, deep down, we all know that Blu-ray has won. It has won with capacity, bandwidth, scratch resistance and reliability for our archives, studios, player choices, more MOVIES, and now clearly BETTER SALES. There is no war anymore. And deep down we all know it and should move on and just get Universal to go neutral so we can come together and focus on the MOVIES.

It WAS fun while it lasted. There sure were some heated debates on here.
 

btrboyev

Member
fact is, even if BRD beats HDDVD, BRD is still in trouble. Adoption rate is still slow and DVD's will outselll them for years to come and by then a new format or digital service will appear. Quite frankley it was a mistake to release either format so early.
 

Shard

XBLAnnoyance
btrboyev said:
fact is, even if BRD beats HDDVD, BRD is still in trouble. Adoption rate is still slow and DVD's will outselll them for years to come and by then a new format or digital service will appear. Quite frankley it was a mistake to release either format so early.


Well, to be fair it took DVD years upon years to finally overtake VHS and become the new movie watching standard.
 
I'd love Gladiator and Jurassic Park. Right now Universal's biggest problem is that the majority of their really great catalog titles are Spielberg directed or produced. I believe that he has sign off on when movies under the production company get released to home video.
 

Shard

XBLAnnoyance
Warm Machine said:
I'd love Gladiator and Jurassic Park. Right now Universal's biggest problem is that the majority of their really great catalog titles are Spielberg directed or produced. I believe that he has sign off on when movies under the production company get released to home video.


Ugh, that gives me flashbacks to the beginning days of regular DVD.
 
Petrarca said:
This poster at AVS summarized well at the current situation. The war is coming to conclusion, some people will openly deny it, but deep down we all know it's ending

AVS forum was once the HD-DVD strongest bastion, and even there now the atmosphere is changing rapidly

That's where I stopped reading: "Blu-ray is stomping HD-DVD in sales"
 

Cheebs

Member
jjasper said:
Oh well then does Paramount have distribution rights for Gladiator in the US?
Universal did Gladiator I thought. Universal has nothing to do with dreamworks films now and vice-versia
 
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