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Hi-Def Media Lovefest: The war is over and we can all go home.

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Shard

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jjasper said:
Oh well then does Paramount have distribution rights for Gladiator in the US?
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Probably not, either Universal owns those rights, or somebody else does since Paramount sold off all of the Dreamworks live-action catalog.
 
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Cheebs

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Shard said:
Probably not, either Universal owns those rights, or somebody else does since Paramount sold off all of the Dreamworks live-action catalog.
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Universal owns gladiator I just checked.

I believe Paramount only kept the animated library of dreamworks titles when they bought dreamworks
 
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Shard

XBLAnnoyance
Cheebs said:
Universal owns gladiator I just checked.

I believe Paramount only kept the animated library of dreamworks titles when they bought dreamworks
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Technically speaking those are not Paramount's to sell since Dreamworks Animation is a independent entity having been spun off a few years before the buy-out.
 
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Pachinko

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Years upon years for dvd to overtake vhs ? I'd say it took 3 to match and 5 to demolish. I'm just using the videostore shelf as an example here though. 2001 dvd and vhs had pretty well equal shelf space but by 2002 VHS was getting pushed aside near the bottom with only 10 copies compared to dvd's 50+ and in 2003 the vhs rentals were almost nonexistent, it became hard to even find them in stores to buy them unless it was older stuff.

I don't see HDDVD lasting more then 2 more years before you see it's releases dwindle, even with much cheaper players , generally most people are under the impression that dvd hooked up through oldschool RCA jacks on their 1080p capable brand new television all upscaled and looking crappy is the best they'll get for picture quality. This is going to remain a battle for sales amongst a small hardcore enthusiast group and only after those enthusiasts pretty well go bluray by buying a ps3 or some eventually cheaper BRD player well a winner of this war be decided and the casual market for this stuff follow. It'll be 2010 before bluray really starts to take off though and it's sales will never catch up with or exceed those of DVD.
 
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Shard

XBLAnnoyance
Pachinko said:
Years upon years for dvd to overtake vhs ? I'd say it took 3 to match and 5 to demolish. I'm just using the videostore shelf as an example here though. 2001 dvd and vhs had pretty well equal shelf space but by 2002 VHS was getting pushed aside near the bottom with only 10 copies compared to dvd's 50+ and in 2003 the vhs rentals were almost nonexistent, it became hard to even find them in stores to buy them unless it was older stuff.

I don't see HDDVD lasting more then 2 more years before you see it's releases dwindle, even with much cheaper players , generally most people are under the impression that dvd hooked up through oldschool RCA jacks on their 1080p capable brand new television all upscaled and looking crappy is the best they'll get for picture quality. This is going to remain a battle for sales amongst a small hardcore enthusiast group and only after those enthusiasts pretty well go bluray by buying a ps3 or some eventually cheaper BRD player well a winner of this war be decided and the casual market for this stuff follow. It'll be 2010 before bluray really starts to take off though and it's sales will never catch up with or exceed those of DVD.
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Well, I would consider 6 years to be years upon years, the point is it took time for the new format to overtake the old one.
 
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Meier

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Frankfurter said:
That's where I stopped reading: "Blu-ray is stomping HD-DVD in sales"
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What about when he referred to himself as a "self-described Blu-Ray fanboy." Obviously an objective opinion. ;)
 
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Cheebs

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Pachinko said:
Years upon years for dvd to overtake vhs ? I'd say it took 3 to match and 5 to demolish.
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It took about 6 years and there was no format war for DVD and the jump was bigger so for this gen if it over takes DVD it'll take 7-8 years likely.
 
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DarkJediKnight

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I think had either format was able to devise a disc that worked like games, for example, if you have a HDtv, you can view it in HD, if you have a standard tv, your game will display in 480.

This is how the new optical discs should have been. No stupid flipper combo discs without labels. A 1080p movie that when you put it in a regular DVD player plays it in standard def. That way you can just phase out regular DVDs and introduce Blu-ray/HD DVD etc...
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
DarkJediKnight said:
I think had either format was able to devise a disc that worked like games, for example, if you have a HDtv, you can view it in HD, if you have a standard tv, your game will display in 480.

This is how the new optical discs should have been. No stupid flipper combo discs without labels. A 1080p movie that when you put it in a regular DVD player plays it in standard def. That way you can just phase out regular DVDs and introduce Blu-ray/HD DVD etc...
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It just can't work that way,

DVD players' lasers are set to read a certain density, thereby making it impossible to do anything else.
 
p_xavier

p_xavier

Authorized Fister
DarkJediKnight said:
I think had either format was able to devise a disc that worked like games, for example, if you have a HDtv, you can view it in HD, if you have a standard tv, your game will display in 480.

This is how the new optical discs should have been. No stupid flipper combo discs without labels. A 1080p movie that when you put it in a regular DVD player plays it in standard def. That way you can just phase out regular DVDs and introduce Blu-ray/HD DVD etc...
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The Blu-ray DVD hybrids were done that way, but never commercialized. It had a both layers on the same side.
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
JeFfRey said:
The Blu-ray DVD hybrids were done that way, but never commercialized. It had a both layers on the same side.
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How the hell?
 
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Bebpo

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Here's a real question, do Blu-ray/HD-DVD even have to takeover DVD or even do similar numbers?

I mean pretend Blu-ray/HD-DVD sales just sorta straight-lined at this point. Sure it'd be niche, but as long as all the studios are releasing all their films on the formats...who cares if it's niche?
 
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Andy787

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Cheebs said:
I can understand tracking amazon everyone buys on amazon.

But who the hell uses DVD Empire?
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Well, DVDE's chart is more to-the-point. But if you want to look at Amazon, the current chart shows Blu-Ray with 6 of the top 10, including number 1.

And a lot of people use DVD Empire, for the record. They're one of the biggest online retailers in the country.
 
Alcibiades

Alcibiades

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DarkJediKnight said:
I think had either format was able to devise a disc that worked like games, for example, if you have a HDtv, you can view it in HD, if you have a standard tv, your game will display in 480.

This is how the new optical discs should have been. No stupid flipper combo discs without labels. A 1080p movie that when you put it in a regular DVD player plays it in standard def. That way you can just phase out regular DVDs and introduce Blu-ray/HD DVD etc...
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Some HD DVDs in Japan have already been released that have HD DVD & DVD on a single side. They are known as TWIN format discs (as opposed to COMBO)

There are a few reasons US studios aren't using them though. I think right now they are limited to 15 GB HD DVD and 4.5 GB DVD though (dual-layer). Once the DVD forum approves triple layer though, they should be able to do 30 gig HD DVD/4.5 gig DVD discs. Or they could do 15 gig HD DVD/9 gig DVD. Of course the benifit of these is that they are on the same side and you can have disc art. The limitations on capacity are one reason studios aren't using them.

The other reason is that DVD manufactoring lines were already used to doing dual-sided "flipper" discs. I know some MGM and Warner DVDs used them. Universal also did this with Conan the Barbarian/Conan the Destroyer gift set. It's not hard to convert these to HD DVD combo discs. One last reason is because the DVD part of TWIN discs have potential problems playing on some DVD players.

I wish they would do TWIN discs in the US once they approve dual-layer and use the 4.5 DVD section for movie only (no special features) even if the quality isn't as good as can be. I just want the flexibility of watching my movie wherever and not being limited to using it only on an HD DVD player.
 
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Petrarca

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Blu-ray extending its lead

DVDEmpire:
Weekly sale: Blu-ray 65.46% VS HD-DVD 34.54%
Monthly sale: Blu-ray 59.42% VS HD-DVD 40.58%

Amazon.com hourly updated sales
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/versus.aspx

....and with alot more blu-ray releases in the next 2 months
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

...and PS3 release in March in Europe (coincide with Casino Royale blu-ray March release, plus Spiderman and Pirates of the Caribbean in May), blu-ray momentum is just unstoppable
 
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chubigans

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Petrarca said:
Blu-ray extending its lead

DVDEmpire:
Weekly sale: Blu-ray 65.46% VS HD-DVD 34.54%
Monthly sale: Blu-ray 59.42% VS HD-DVD 40.58%

Amazon.com hourly updated sales
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/versus.aspx

....and with alot more blu-ray releases in the next 2 months
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

...and PS3 release in March in Europe (coincide with Casino Royale blu-ray March release, plus Spiderman and Pirates of the Caribbean in May), blu-ray momentum is just unstoppable
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Casino Royale folks...thats when this war will skyrocket into oblivion.
 
mckmas8808

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So when will the DVD forum allow the Blu-ray group to use DVD and BD on the same disc?
 
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Cheebs

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mckmas8808 said:
So when will the DVD forum allow the Blu-ray group to use DVD and BD on the same disc?
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HD-DVD is the official format of the DVD Forum so it would not make any sense for them to support their rival. It would be like Nintendo putting games on PS3.
 
Alcibiades

Alcibiades

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mckmas8808 said:
So when will the DVD forum allow the Blu-ray group to use DVD and BD on the same disc?
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as long as the disc meets certain specs, I think this is already allowed...

If they really wanted to, they could probably do either single-sided or double-sided hybrids, but manufacturing costs are probably preventing them from being a reality for now... some Sony insider on AVSforum was gonna check on the status of hybrid development and get back word next week...

either way, the DVD Forum isn't preventing hybrid Blu-ray/DVD discs.
 
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Kleegamefan

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Here is the deal....

Look the current Universal releases on DVD. If the title was from 1994 to last September and was released on home video by Dreamworks, then it is now currently owned by Soros (purchased from Paramount), and will be distributed by Paramount.

Let take a few examples:
1.)While Seabiscuit was co-financed by Universal and Dreamworks, Universal owned the home video rights (in the USA), and that is why it is currently on HD DVD...because Universal owns the rights.

2.)While Gladiator was co-financed by Dreamworks and Universal, Dreamworks Home Entertainment had domestic video rights (previously distributed through Universal). These rights were sold to Paramount (who bought Dreamworks), and then Paramount subsequently spun of the home video rights to Soros. Paramount will still distribute on behalf of Soros.

3.)While Road to Perdition was co-financed by Dreamworks and 20th Century Fox, Dreamworks Home Entertainment had the domestic video rights. The movie was released by Dreamworks (and distributed by Universal). These rights were sold to Paramount (who bought Dreamworks), and then Paramount subsequently spun of the home video rights to Soros. Paramount will still distribute on behalf of Soros.



So in the case of Gladiator, it should arrive both on HD-DVD and Blu-ray (hopefully in VC1 and not MPEG2) via Paramount
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
DarkJediKnight said:
The cool thing about this is that it's not a flipper. I hate flippers.
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Yeah, flippers are more annoying then two discs by far
 
Alcibiades

Alcibiades

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Didn't JVC discontinue their work on Blu-ray/DVD hybrid?

The HD DVD/DVD single-side hybrid went into production from Memory-Tech, but this JVC thing never showed up.
 
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DarkJediKnight

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Alcibiades said:
Didn't JVC discontinue their work on Blu-ray/DVD hybrid?

The HD DVD/DVD single-side hybrid went into production from Memory-Tech, but this JVC thing never showed up.
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I don't know, but here it is.

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It's possible but judging by the cost of the HD DVD flippers, this single sided one has to be expensive. Maybe when Blu-ray disc costs go down middle of this year from game production, we might hear more of this.
 
Alcibiades

Alcibiades

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The flippers aren't that expensive to manufacture, the studios are just charging more because they don't want to include an SD version of the movie for free (to be fair, they are only adding $5 to the MSRP) they could sell them for the same amount and still make a huge profit.

The single-sided HD DVD/DVD hybrids are already in production in Japan, so I don't think they are cost prohibitive either.

The JVC thing is a completely different matter, as no discs have actually been released (or no Blu-ray hybrids) despite Disney implying they were gonna use them.

The first hybrid from the Blu-ray side we're gonna see is probably the TotalHD disc from Warner. It's practically a Blu-ray/DVD flipper but with an HD DVD side instead of DVD.
 
The Main Event

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http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=63912

French news site DVDRama has posted details on the latest HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc announcements from Warner Home Video.

A translation of the release schedule is as follows. (Titles marked "HD DVD only" are currently not scheduled to appear on Blu-ray Disc at this time. The larger majority of these titles appear to be HD DVD exclusive due to the fact that the Blu-ray system's more limited and less organised Interactive capabilities make the "In-Movie Experience" (IME) feature difficult to implement).

31st January, 2007:
The Lake House

28th February, 2007:
The Lady in The Water

March 26, 2007:
Superman Returns
Blazing Saddles
Batman Begins (IME) (HD DVD only)

April 25, 2007:
The Corpse Bride
The Island
Poseidon (IME) (HD-DVD only)
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (IME) (HD-DVD only)

May 2007:
Enter the Dragon
Flags of our Fathers
Superman
Unforgiven
The Last Samurai

June 2007:
The Prestige
Natural Born Killers
V for Vendetta (HD DVD only)
The Matrix (IME) (HD DVD only)

July 2007:
Bullit
Mad Max 2
The Getaway
The Matrix Reloaded (IME) (HD DVD only)

August 2007:
Casablanca
Happy Feet
Letters of Iwo Jima
The Goonies
The Matrix Revolutions (IME) (HD DVD only)

September 2007:
L.A. Confidential
Blade Runner
Poltergeist
Blood Diamond (HD DVD only)
Zodiac
300 (IME) (HD-DVD only)

October 2007:
Dirty Harry
Sudden Impact
Magnum force
Music & Lyrics
The Dead Pool
The Enforcer
The Reaping

November 2007:
The Ant Bully
Scooby Doo
The Polar Express (HD DVD only)
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (IME) (HD DVD only)
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (IME) (HD DVD only)
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (IME) (HD DVD only)
Harry Potter and Goblet of Fire (IME) (HD DVD only)

December 2007:
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Shining
A Clockwork Orange
Eyes Wide Shut
Ocean's Eleven (1960)
Ocean's Eleven (2001)
Ocean's Twelve
The Wizard of Oz

As the HD DVD format is completely region free, North American HD DVD owners will be able to enjoy these titles also. For those who favour English language cover art, Warner UK are likely to release these titles in similar time frame.
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Great news for Europeans HD-DVD owners. And there's some major losses right here for the Blu-Ray releases, until they fix all those Java BR issues that is.
 
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DarkJediKnight

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BobLoblaw said:
Holy crap. Matrix, 300, and Potter on HD-DVD only? Wow. If that happens here in the states then that's BIG news. Good thing I own both a blu-ray and HD-DVD player. >:)
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This is an european release schedule. The north American release will have both HD and Blu-ray on the same day. Most likely on Warner's THD disc.
 
mckmas8808

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
DarkJediKnight said:
This is an european release schedule. The north American release will have both HD and Blu-ray on the same day. Most likely on Warner's THD disc.
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Are you sure?
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
terrene said:
Blu-Ray recorders are getting down to an almost acceptable level. ($599!) Once it's in the $200's, I'm biting. I film stuff in HD constantly and I'd *love* to have Blu-Ray copies of it.

http://www.pricewatch.com/dvd_drives/blu-ray.htm
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I'd like a HD Camcorder.. having a place to put them at a reasonable price would seal the deal.
 
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Diagol

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Wait...the Matrix and Happy Potter movies are coming out on HDDVD only?

I thought the were also announced for Blu-Ray not too long ago.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

and http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/list/2

Unveiled today, Warner Home Video's 2007 Blu-ray title line-up should look familiar to those following the studio's exploits on rival format HD DVD.

In fact, in what has to be a first, Warner's Monday Blu-ray press release is just about identical to its Sunday HD DVD announcement, seemingly aided only by a handy "Search and Replace."

While the studio previewed several high-profile titles bound for Blu-ray in 2007, Warner gave only one new title a firm street date, the Martin Scorsese flick 'The Departed,' which will hit Blu-ray simultaneously with the HD DVD version on February 13.

Other A-list new releases due in 2007 are to include 'Blood Diamond,' 'We Are Marshall' and the animated blockbuster 'Happy Feet.'

Catalog, too, will highlight Warner's upcoming Blu-ray plans, including the much-anticipated 'Matrix' trilogy, all the 'Harry Potter' films, both 'Ocean's 11' and 'Ocean's 12,' plus the Steve McQueen classics 'Bullitt' and 'The Getaway.'

Hopefully, Warner has a bit more exciting news up its sleeve for later in the show -- perhaps a look at the studio's first Total HD combo-disc releases?

In the meantime, we'll be updating our Blu-ray Release Schedule to include all of the titles referenced in today's announcement.

See what people are saying about this story in our forums area, or check out other recent discussions.

Best Films of 2006 and 2007 and Classic Favorites on Blu-ray from Warner Home Video [Press Release]
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Frankfurter said:
Wow. Harry Potter, Batman, Blood Diamond, Matrix on HD DVD only? That's pretty huge imo.
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Good for Europe and importers. The rights for a few blu-ray exclusives are also held by HD-DVD exclusive studios in Europe: Rambo trilogy, Underworld Evolution, Saw and Saw II, Total Recall and Terminator 2.

The good thing about the HD-DVD/blu-ray is that you don't have to worry about the PAL/NTSC compatibility problems when importing, although region encoding may make it more difficult.
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Pristine_Condition said:
They are all coming on Blu-ray Region 1.

Yet another reason for our Euro friends to import a NA or JP PS3...
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I swear the world hates Europe (and I live in the USA)
 
Alcibiades

Alcibiades

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DarkJediKnight said:
100% Every single Warner movie that comes out in 2007 will come out on the exact same day on both formats. This is something Warner layed out in an interview with Digitalbits.
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interesting then, that just 2 weeks ago (in 2007) Warner released Poseidon with IME features on HD DVD but not on Blu-ray...

I'm not saying it won't happen, and certainly every announcement so far has been for simultaneous release, but I wouldn't be surprised if they released an HD DVD before a Blu-ray version of certain titles (or vice-versa, as we saw last year with Corpse Bride and Good Night, and Good Luck hitting Blu-ray first)...
 
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ChrisJames

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DarkJediKnight said:
100% Every single Warner movie that comes out in 2007 will come out on the exact same day on both formats. This is something Warner layed out in an interview with Digitalbits.
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With HD-DVD all ready being dead, as some people in this thread seem to think (no, hope), why do they even bother releasing on HD-DVD?

Oh yeah, because HD-DVD isn't dead or dying.
 
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LJ11

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ChrisJames said:
With HD-DVD all ready being dead, as some people in this thread seem to think (no, hope), why do they even bother releasing on HD-DVD?

Oh yeah, because HD-DVD isn't dead or dying.
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Warner is basically delaying their releases (Matrix etc) on HD-DVD until BDA can gets it act together with BD-J. By June all new players must support BD-J. If Warner was truly neutral/fair, why don't they release their titles on HD-DVD now? HD-DVD has their shit together and they should release them now. Instead they hold them off until Blu-Ray is ready.
 
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ChrisJames

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LJ11 said:
Warner is basically delaying their releases (Matrix etc) on HD-DVD until BDA can gets it act together with BD-J. By June all new players must support BD-J. If Warner was truly neutral/fair, why don't they release their titles on HD-DVD now? HD-DVD has their shit together and they should release them now. Instead they hold them off until Blu-Ray is ready.
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Yeah, that is messed up. I didn't know that, thanks for the info.
 
Alcibiades

Alcibiades

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I assumed it was BD-J that would be implemented in June, but apparantly it's something to do with player profiles...

a guy on AVSforum set be straight earlier when I brought up the issue:

amillians said:
It's not BD-J that's causing the issue, it's the BDA's date for Profile 1.1 that's causing the issue. As of June 1, 2007, all *new* Blu-ray players are required to be Profile 1.1 compliant, which means PiP support, more storage, etc. The date was picked to let CEs get up-to-speed on PiP for Blu-ray, as PiP was a late feature entrant to the spec.

IME is just a marketing slogan to describe PiP-esque things. The reality is that you can't do PiP on Blu-ray right now without resorting to 2 copies of the film, which eats up storage and bandwidth. Once both platforms reach feature parity (post June 2007), neutral studios won't have to hold back titles or do one side only.
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LJ11 said:
Warner is basically delaying their releases (Matrix etc) on HD-DVD until BDA can gets it act together with BD-J. By June all new players must support BD-J. If Warner was truly neutral/fair, why don't they release their titles on HD-DVD now? HD-DVD has their shit together and they should release them now. Instead they hold them off until Blu-Ray is ready.
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I think their version of neutrality is to not have any influence on the 'war' at all.

That means moving towards releasing basically identical HD-DVD/BluRay titles (encoding, extras, etc.) on the same dates.
 
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