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Media Create Sales 5/14 - 5/20
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Square2005
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Guys this is a comparison of the months after all of NIntendo's past home console launches versus the Wii:
Now the NES & SNES are my estimates but I've done alotta research (reading old articles, etc.) to get an idea of how they were selling so it should be fairly accurate at least the LTDs are (NPD reported SNES broke past 1.5m in February '92).
The NES test launched in New York in October 1985 then in LA in Feb. '86 so it wasn't available nationwide until the following year after its test launch so it didn't 'really' launch until late 1986 nationwide.
(BTW this is not from ********).
The N64, GC is of course from the NPD. If anyone has more accurate NES, SNES data please share it and I'll update the graph if it's legit.
NES available nationwide: by Fall of 1986
SNES first available at limited chains (Toys 'R' Us): Aug. 1991, official launch: Sept. 9, 1991.
N64 officially launched nationwide: Sept. 29, 1996
GC " " " : Nov. 18, 2001
Wii " " " : Nov. 19, 2006
So Wii sales are extremely impressive in the States (and of course Japan) post-Christmas compared to the previous record selling Big N console the N64!
Now the NES & SNES are my estimates but I've done alotta research (reading old articles, etc.) to get an idea of how they were selling so it should be fairly accurate at least the LTDs are (NPD reported SNES broke past 1.5m in February '92).
The NES test launched in New York in October 1985 then in LA in Feb. '86 so it wasn't available nationwide until the following year after its test launch so it didn't 'really' launch until late 1986 nationwide.
(BTW this is not from ********).
The N64, GC is of course from the NPD. If anyone has more accurate NES, SNES data please share it and I'll update the graph if it's legit.
NES available nationwide: by Fall of 1986
SNES first available at limited chains (Toys 'R' Us): Aug. 1991, official launch: Sept. 9, 1991.
N64 officially launched nationwide: Sept. 29, 1996
GC " " " : Nov. 18, 2001
Wii " " " : Nov. 19, 2006
So Wii sales are extremely impressive in the States (and of course Japan) post-Christmas compared to the previous record selling Big N console the N64!
Well, IMHO a reasonable amount of the Halo 3 audience already picked up a 360 for games like Gears of War, for examplejimbo said:
I'd agree with you if the console in question was lacking in the genre (only taking into account at least AA titles, btw), but this is not the case so I think there won't be a huge spike in sales.Anyway, I may be wrong
Grampa Simpson
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I think someone needs to update the .gif.Hero said:
RiskyChris
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jimbo said:
You don't need genre defining franchises to be market leader, unfortunately. There are a lot of alternatives to the games you've listed (NG, Forza, insert-generic-fighter, etc.).
schuelma said:
Not to mention Zelda, Mario, Metroid...
RiskyChris
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jimbo said:
3D FPA? I can't think of another game that does it as well. It's a trivial point though, why don't you stick to the argument.
DeaconKnowledge
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jimbo's comments ignores the life of any franchise.
Each franchise sees a rise, maturation, saturation, and subsequent decline.
If you look at Sales LTD for many franchises, There is usually an increase, followed by a huge success, then a steady decline after time.
In this same vein, titles like DMC, MGS, Zelda, GoW, Halo, Metroid, even Mario in all his incarnations, all go through this cycle unless there is a drastic change to the formula or reinvention.
keeping this in mind, why are we content to believe that the titles that brought Sony fame and fortune last gen would be the titles to continue on to super success in this generation?
Each franchise sees a rise, maturation, saturation, and subsequent decline.
If you look at Sales LTD for many franchises, There is usually an increase, followed by a huge success, then a steady decline after time.
In this same vein, titles like DMC, MGS, Zelda, GoW, Halo, Metroid, even Mario in all his incarnations, all go through this cycle unless there is a drastic change to the formula or reinvention.
keeping this in mind, why are we content to believe that the titles that brought Sony fame and fortune last gen would be the titles to continue on to super success in this generation?
SouthernDragon
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Because we love those games and they are going to be popular and successful forever.
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DeaconKnowledge said:
In that case the Wii's really screwed with its biggest games this fall being, Metroid, SSB and Mario Galaxy, which by your logic should be seeing their winding down.
Anyway, I'm going to dinner and then gonna finish Pirates of the Caribbeans with my wife since she just came home from work. You guys have fun.
Square2005
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CAn we stop talking about jumbo!?
Let's talk about more important things like my graph and how much more successful the Wii has become in comparison with ALL of Nintendo's previous consoles...! I spent alotta time on that graph!! Sheesh.
Let's talk about more important things like my graph and how much more successful the Wii has become in comparison with ALL of Nintendo's previous consoles...! I spent alotta time on that graph!! Sheesh.
RiskyChris
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jimbo said:
Mario and SSBB are on the upswing.
Why are we now arguing over which genre-defining franchises led PS2 to success? I reject the whole premise! The genre defining franchises, with a couple exceptions, were on the PS2 BECAUSE either it or its predecessor was successful, not the other way around.
PS2 won because a variety of factors made it the default console in the minds of consumers by the end of the first year, and its competitors launched "me too" consoles that couldn't offer enough compelling reasons for the average consumer to swim against the prevailing pro-PS2 current. The console war was over within six months after the launch of GC and XBox. There's even an image of Ken at a slideshow presentation that makes this exact claim.
If there were two games that cemented PS2's lead it was FFX (promised for more than a year before PS2's launch, and guaranteed to the system because of Square's success on the PS1) and GTA3 (which came out of nowhere and stole the limelight just when the competitors were trying to launch). All the other games listed as killer apps on the PS2 were consequences of the console's ascendence by June 2002, NOT the cause of it.
PS2 won because a variety of factors made it the default console in the minds of consumers by the end of the first year, and its competitors launched "me too" consoles that couldn't offer enough compelling reasons for the average consumer to swim against the prevailing pro-PS2 current. The console war was over within six months after the launch of GC and XBox. There's even an image of Ken at a slideshow presentation that makes this exact claim.
If there were two games that cemented PS2's lead it was FFX (promised for more than a year before PS2's launch, and guaranteed to the system because of Square's success on the PS1) and GTA3 (which came out of nowhere and stole the limelight just when the competitors were trying to launch). All the other games listed as killer apps on the PS2 were consequences of the console's ascendence by June 2002, NOT the cause of it.
Grampa Simpson
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That's rich. Jimbo thinks he just won a popularity contest or something.jimbo said:
Jimbo's approval rating is currently:
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DeaconKnowledge
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The Sphinx said:
Agreed.
ShockingAlberto
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turkification
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Gamecube actually had shortages? lol.
nextgeneration
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ShockingAlberto said:
:lol
RiskyChris
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The Sphinx said:
I got so caught up in ignorance that I couldn't formulate this thought. Games like DMC didn't cement PS2's place in the world, PS2's place in the world (specifically, PLAYSTATION's) cemented DMC's platform.
AdmiralViscen
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jman2050 said:
schuelma said:
The one-two punch.
PantherLotus
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PL said:
Note that I'm numbering your points to reply to.
jimbo said:
1. You're wrong, plain and simple. If you look at my quote in which you have disagreed, I am talking about 1st party games and their impact on hardware sales, and I'm right. Almost the entirety of hardware sales from these games (Zelda, Mario, Gran Turismo, etc) are front-loaded into the console's early phase. If you'd like to argue against that, you must agree to NEVER suggest that the people buying launch systems are "just Nintendo fans" ever again. People buy launch systems because of what they know is coming. People by Nintendo at the early stages because they KNOW they'll get at least one Mario, one Zelda, and one Metroid. Throw in a Mario Kart, a DK game, some Pokemon...and you have your hardcore hardware-buying public--and they almost entirely get the system the moment it launches. Same thing with Sony products. Now, if you wanted to argue that people aren't buying the XBOX 360 at the beginning for 1st party games, you'd have a much easier time arguing that--they have a lot less established franchises.
2. Irrelevant. You're talking about software's impact on software sales. I'm talking about software impact on hardware sales.
3. The other issue with this basic argument is that you suggest that people don't "invest" in videogame systems. How ****ing arrogantly ignorant can you get? It's like you're trying to be obtuse just to get a rise out of people. Are you trying to suggest that people don't buy launch hardware under the assumption that they'll eventually get the "promised" titles that they expect from the 1st-party? Wouldn't buying launch hardware be as ignorant as your arguments? Sounds stupid to me. Well--it's NOT stupid. Everybody buys systems under the assumption that the promised titles are coming out eventually. It's not a hard concept at all.
4. Now there is a teeny tiny little point to be made, and one in which you might be helped by capitalizing on. The price of the systems. When a system is ****ing $399-$599, then you get people waiting to buy hardware. Hell--I'm waiting too. OF COURSE people are waiting to buy a system when such n such comes out. Those hardware prices throw the whole thing out the window because they make the price barrier so much higher, making the initial "promise" that much more of a stake. Basically, they have to offer that much more before casuals will make the leap of faith and drop half a thousand on a new console. So when Halo 3 comes out and (if) we see a bump in 360 hardware, it's not because the majority of Halo fans didn't already own a 360 (and they do), it's because up until that moment...the 360 wasn't worth the purchase to them. In that sense, titles like that become part of the avalanche that may convince the greater majority of casuals to purchase a system.
5. Those 80% of gamers that you refer to make most of their hardware purchases because of the greater sum of games, which I referred to as 'The Avalanche' in my original post. Not sure what that has to do with first party games, unless those games are the motivator that convinces them a hardware purchase (in addition to the greater sum of all games available for the system) is worth it.
titiklabingapat
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Wii Health Pack. And Mario is an exception to the rule, with Metroid possibly redefining FPS/FPA games by reinventing thier control scheme.jimbo said:
Grampa Simpson
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It illustrates the post-holiday sales dive that could reasonably assumed to have only happened on the Wii because of supply constraints.nli10 said:But it's all US data in a Jp based thread??!!
Nice graph though, although I'm not quite sure what point it illustrates.
Grampa Simpson
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There's an ignore list in the user CP. I highly suggest that everyone become familiar with it.Vyer said:
Grampa Simpson
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dronhe and drinky can be funny a lot of the time. jimbo is just a flat out troll, who's either being flat out ignored by the mods, or is one of their joke characters.d[-_-]b said:
Souldriver
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Yeah, but the ignore list doesn't hide posts that get quoted. And since most annoying posters or trolls get quoted quite a lot, the ignore function is useless. I still have to endure the crap from posters I hate.bmf said:
Hollywood_mIRC
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This thread = Wii sales dominance, and 360 fanboy damage control. :lol
bmf said:
All 3 of the recent Nintendo systems have periods post holidays that are labled as 'supply constrained' though. I can see Wii has a smoother curve though - maybe a cumulative version of the chart would be clearer?
Does illustrate the point that lowering the price of a console in its first 6 months has no major impact on sales after the initial blip and just says to the market that you had been fleecing them over the Xmas period. Still believe that Sony should stick to their guns on this one.
DeaconKnowledge
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Meh, I have no problem with Jimbo. He believes what he believes. At least he doesn't act elitist and condescending because your points aren't aligned with his. (That i've seen, anyway.)
Grampa Simpson
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DeaconKnowledge said:
jimbo said:
jimbo was doing that for the attention and for his own entertainment. That much is obvious.
Grampa Simpson
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It'll float at about where it is until it's just not available new anymore, or it gets delisted by media create.TJ Spyke said: