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Media Create Sales 7/16 - 7/22
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Mgoblue201
Won't stop picking the right nation
Which basically amounts to bad timing. Most systems don't get compelling games for at least a year. The PS2 didn't get any real games until the Xbox and GC launched. But by then it had the games and had the momentum. The 360 was already out of its rut by the time the PS3 launched. So not only are they lagging behind Microsoft, but they're not getting any compelling games for another year. They're essentially lagging two years behind the 360. And the $600 price tag scares consumers off from buying a PS3 "just cause". Everybody bought a PS2 "just cause". It's almost worst case scenario in every facet. And while the games will be coming, they're most certainly crippling their chance to come back with every passing day. Seems to me that Sony sat on the PS2 too long. They should've had the PS3 out by 2005.sphinx said:
frankthurk
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GDGF said:
Oblivion said:
I love that these two posts can live side by side in harmony.
Or maybe they just haven't noticed each other yet.
super funk
Member
GDGF said:
You know how the saying goes, you can never have too many nails.
LanceStern
Banned
I feel the only people very disappointed with PS3 hardware sales are the ones who expected too much to come from it. Surely no-one expected the PS3 to go over 50k units in a week?
I believe it was Joshua (I'm not 100%) that predicted with me that PS3 would get at least ~ 25k units from the Hot Shots Golf release. For it to go over 30k is great news.
Seeing as how PS3 is still early in its lifespan, it tells us that big releases can still give the system the bump it needs. If Sony plays cards rights, releases some more key titles every month and PRICE DROPS the system (it's still being hurt as we speak by its high price tag, there's no denying that) it could get to some great weekly sales.
We can't spinoff a 176k first week and 38k per week as bad news. It's a decent bump, and hopefully next week it can continue a little momentum
I believe it was Joshua (I'm not 100%) that predicted with me that PS3 would get at least ~ 25k units from the Hot Shots Golf release. For it to go over 30k is great news.
Seeing as how PS3 is still early in its lifespan, it tells us that big releases can still give the system the bump it needs. If Sony plays cards rights, releases some more key titles every month and PRICE DROPS the system (it's still being hurt as we speak by its high price tag, there's no denying that) it could get to some great weekly sales.
We can't spinoff a 176k first week and 38k per week as bad news. It's a decent bump, and hopefully next week it can continue a little momentum
Version 3.0
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LanceStern said:
Replace "PS3" with "Gamecube" and replace "Hot Shots Golf" with "Mario Sunshine", and the only difference is the "price drops" needed. So what this really tells us is that maybe the PS3's price drops can someday push it above Gamecube-level sales, or give it more longevity than the Cube had.
I predicted 30k-ish myself. This week is indeed good. But you can't deny the fact that PS3 is performing below expectations. Even SCEE recognize they expected to sell more consoles...LanceStern said:
By the way, this week has seen a king of price drop, since the MnG bundles are sold just a bit over the PS3 alone. MnG was nearly free...
test_account
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donny2112 said:
Ok, thanks
I never really thought about that the end date in all MC threads are on Sunday, but now i know =)Leondexter said:
Yeah, we Nintendo fans have already danced this dance with the Gamecube, and with the N64 before that: Hoping that the next game would give hardware sales a decent bump (happens sometimes) and then hoping against hope that the bump would carry over for a while (hardly ever happens, and when it does it's for a few weeks tops) and then lamenting the lament of 'if only a steady stream of blockbusters would come back to back, hardware sales would improve dramaticly' often forgetting that our definition of a blockbuster usually only sells to current system buyers.
It's a sad dance indeed
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Not to strike you down or anything, but it wasn't me. Pretty sure the biggest thing I said about it was the unknown size of this bump made for difficulty in calling a week when the Wii/PS3 LTD ratio would become greater than the DS/PSP one. However, I was considering using a doubled week for a guesstimate, so my internal guess was bested.LanceStern said:
We can classify it as minor news, I think. As has been pointed out, it's very similar to previous PS3 and GCN bumps that didn't last. Since we know how those worked out, we have a pretty good idea of how this one will go, too, and have no reason to expect notable continued momentum, but instead a short trailoff period while things go back to the norm.LanceStern said:
the thing about "the big games" not coming to Nintendo platforms is that some of us actually dont like or play most of those games. It doesnt take a Nintendo first party game to get me to buy, but a third party game has to appeal to a similar taste. I notice many of the HD games people are looking forward to are big FPS/RPG/racing games and sometimes action games like NGS or HS.. Aside from racing (and in my case arcade racing) none of those "AAA" titles like Lair or HS or Uncharted even register on my radar. the only ones that do are things like Viva Pinata, Crush, and LittleBigPlanet. Games that I think its pretty obvious dont need to be on BR or even in HD to be good. but then again, since I dont like FPs online games or RPGs or big HD games, I guess Im not a core gamer. Oh wait a minute, I have 9 games on preorder and plans for 3 more after that. spending 500$ on videogames is a casual nongamer confirmed :lol
PhoenixDark
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Oblivion said:
Most likely they'll just wait a week and watch the PS3 sales drop by half. Don't get too excited buddy
Insane Metal
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Hasn´t the PS3 just sold over 1Million units in Japan? With 170k units of EG5 in the first week sold, its like around 15, 17% of everyone who bought the console bought the game too? How is that bad?
If my words are incorrect, then I´m sorry.
If my words are incorrect, then I´m sorry.
Insane Metal
Member
Shiggy said:
Oh ok. But then again, there´s not enough userbase to sell much more than that... unless they waited more months to release (and the ps3 would continue selling 12k a week... 10k... 8k... :lol )
DeaconKnowledge
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I don't want to rain on the PS3's parade here,
but does anyone else think we're going to see an increase in used Japanese PS3's soon? Considering that there's very little in the horizon now for the PS3, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this increase was only temporary and didn't ultimately reflect the Japanese PS3 userbase.
but does anyone else think we're going to see an increase in used Japanese PS3's soon? Considering that there's very little in the horizon now for the PS3, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this increase was only temporary and didn't ultimately reflect the Japanese PS3 userbase.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
DeaconKnowledge said:
This is the case for every major game launch for every system in Japan. It's also why temporary sellouts tend to be exceptionally harmful to Japanese sales; if a game is not in stock for a few weeks, the used copies accumulate and people buy used instead.
Xeke said:
Narrow it down to the simplest of logic.....I still don't see how selling 176k copies in one week = sells like ass.
Sure if you compare it to previous games on much larger user bases, yeah you can say it sold a lot less or "low for the series". But ANY game that sells over 100k in one week is a pretty decent success. Heck most games that sell 100k in a month, let alone a week, are considered to have good sales.
Bottom line? Saying 176k in a week is bad, is simply incorrect. You can only say that in the right context, in which case, if you're going to do that, then you DO have to take into considerations all other factors......user base being one of them.
Oh and I still don't see why people compare the PS3 to the GC, while going the only difference is price, and then moving right along as if price was no big deal.
I really can't stress the importance of price, and how much it's affecting the PS3. And I really can't think of ANY game that increases sales for a console, and maintains them for long periods of times(not just months, but years) like a price drop does. Price drops not only bump sales sky high temporarliy but also pad the average sales permanently from that point on with a good amount of extra sales on top
PS: WTF is wrong with me? When did I become a PS3 defender? Carry on folks. Nevermind me.
vanguardian1
poor, homeless and tasteless
Innotech said:
You're not the only one in that boat, trust me.
LanceStern
Banned
Eh, well it's still a good bump for the PS3.
Celebrate its' good bumps in sales, its' decent sales of titles while they still go strong and are worth noting yes? It's just good to be optimistic sometime rather than killing the loser every chance you get.
Wii on the other had, is doing absolutely fantastic. It's too bad I'm not a "hardcore Nintendo Fanboy" like I was about 3-4 years ago or I'd have lambasted the PS3 and 360 into bits. I call myself unbiased now, with a Nintendo partiality, so the good news is great news for Nintendo, while the good news for PS3 is noteworthy, and even the 360 got a nice software game in the Top 10 as well.
The biggest question for me right now is if any of the FAMOUS FIVE are in the MC Top 15. NSMB, ACWW, BA2, MK or Pokemon.
I say NSMB
If I'm not mistaken, it seems Japan is keen to only support ONE Handheld and ONE console at a time for great sales. It's seen in PSx-N64, SNES-GEN, PS2-GCN-XBX, GBA-NGage, etc.
It's a sketchy reason, but the price is a major issue for the PS3. Had it been $200, would it have fared immensely better to the changing generation of gamers ushered in by the DS and Wii? I think it could have.
But the price prevented it from starting well in the US and Japan, and because of that poor start, it doesn't get the software it needs, so it's doing less than well now.
Same here man. I think we just like rooting for the underdog in sales
Celebrate its' good bumps in sales, its' decent sales of titles while they still go strong and are worth noting yes? It's just good to be optimistic sometime rather than killing the loser every chance you get.
Wii on the other had, is doing absolutely fantastic. It's too bad I'm not a "hardcore Nintendo Fanboy" like I was about 3-4 years ago or I'd have lambasted the PS3 and 360 into bits. I call myself unbiased now, with a Nintendo partiality, so the good news is great news for Nintendo, while the good news for PS3 is noteworthy, and even the 360 got a nice software game in the Top 10 as well.
The biggest question for me right now is if any of the FAMOUS FIVE are in the MC Top 15. NSMB, ACWW, BA2, MK or Pokemon.
I say NSMB
If I'm not mistaken, it seems Japan is keen to only support ONE Handheld and ONE console at a time for great sales. It's seen in PSx-N64, SNES-GEN, PS2-GCN-XBX, GBA-NGage, etc.
It's a sketchy reason, but the price is a major issue for the PS3. Had it been $200, would it have fared immensely better to the changing generation of gamers ushered in by the DS and Wii? I think it could have.
But the price prevented it from starting well in the US and Japan, and because of that poor start, it doesn't get the software it needs, so it's doing less than well now.
jimbo said:
Same here man. I think we just like rooting for the underdog in sales