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NPD Sales Results for November 2014 [Up3: NPD Data Error, AC:U #5]
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crazygambit
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I thought creamsugar didn't have access to numbers anymore as per the last NPD thread. Maybe I read that wrong. It's cool that we get to keep that source though.
So the buttocks lied to us? Where did the 10k come from?
Florida_Man_5000
Member
NPD needs to start tracking digital, allegedly 20% of sales are nothing to scoff at.
No. That's just you wanting to believe. One of the reasons he's been regarded as a true leaker for so long is because when he's wrong people assume he was being cryptic and was actually right. Self fulfilling prophecy.
No. I don't think so.
Remember that the PS4 was supply constrained in the whole world at launch, but the situation in US was way better than Europe as an exemple. (some 'big' countries as France/Germany and many many other smaller ones were supply constrained untill may)
PS4 YTD 2013: 4.2M (with USA: 48% (2.0M from NPD))
PS4 YTD 2014 'till August 10th: 5.8M (with USA: ~31% (~1.8M from NPD))
if we go by USA:WW ratios for PS4 we have:
Nov+Dec 2013: 48%
Jan-Aug 10th 2014: 31% (with probably something like Jan-Apr 2014: ~33% and May-Aug 2014: ~29%)
LTD Through August 2014: 38% (as you said)
With those numbers, the PS4 USA:WW ratio was at best 31% for September and October 2014.
Even with a great November in the US, there's no way the USA:WW LTD ratio is ~40% as of November 29th 2014, maybe something like 36% or 37% looks right (meaning ~15.2M to ~15.7M Worldwide. The number from PSX was clearly outdated)
Honestly I doubt most of those bundles were bought specifically for Unity. They technically count as units sold of course, but I still can't imagine Ubisoft being pleasantly surprised about the stand-alone numbers if you make an approximation as to what it'll have done worldwide based on this. Especially if you take into account that Xbox One is still leagues behind the PS4 worldwide.
By Ubisoft standards (remember the incredible numbers Watch_Dogs did) this is a bomba. All the negative buzz won't have a positive impact on Victory either.
Could be a digital darling, or it could simply be that MS finally realized that they need to stick with some of these franchises that only do OK numbers out of the gate to try and build some brands to fill out their catalog.
It's like playing poker - If you throw away every hand that's not aces, you won't win enough when you finally get them to offset the ante.
edit - or maybe you're full of crap and they're still drawing down to the aces.
gamechanger87
Member
Yeah I agree. They know it which is why the season pass is gone and they are offering a free game.
Nah, I don't want to believe it. I was just looking for a rational explanation.
This highlights even more how huge COD sales went down in the past few years. And Activision tried to pump as many preorders as possible with the Day Zero SKU. Insane drop. However, still massive sales as well.
Nightengale
Member
Where did you hear of this?
Where did you get that information from?
And shouldn't Insomniac be working on the new Ratchet & Clank right now?
If what you're saying is correct then we shouldn't expect a new Sunset Overdrive before summer 2016 at the earliest.
Also, there is absolutely no reason for Insomniac to go exclusive again for a sequel. The game can sell a lot more on PC and PS4.
LordBaztion
Member
Would someone be so kind to explain me what happened with CBOAT and the gap?
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
TerryLee81
Member
NPD is still not tracking digital sales, right?
So Software sales listed in NPD should become less and less relevant over time as more people buy digitally.
What's the estimate of digital sales for a game like Dragon Age? 20%?
So Software sales listed in NPD should become less and less relevant over time as more people buy digitally.
What's the estimate of digital sales for a game like Dragon Age? 20%?
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
The new gen consoles sold a combined 2 million in November? That's fantastic. And good job to MS for making the XB One value proposition so favorable. Have to credit them for recognizing and responding to market trends.
What a fantastic month, with only the small stain of no Dragon Age in the top 10. Maker preserve us.
What a fantastic month, with only the small stain of no Dragon Age in the top 10. Maker preserve us.
That drop!
Though COD AW should be 4.7M no?
(we had : "DPE < 4.5M" and "DPE Bundle ~200k")
gamechanger87
Member
I remember seeing some noise right around the weeknd free trial and discounted sale.
They have 2 teams.
Well then, post your source..
They are both working on the Ratchet and Clank game. While I'm sure not all their workforce is on that project it's pretty clear they both will be severely occupied till the game releases.
Official Insomniac website said:
Made this in honor of today's thread for anyone who wasn't able to read all 5000+ posts
Haha, yes. It's almost unreal X1 beat the Wii U by a million in one month.
StoppedInTracks
Member
CBOAT implied that the difference between the two systems this month was 7-10K units.
This was followed by pages and pages of now retroactively hilarious gloating and amazement.
People with actual access to numbers said that the gap was closer to 400K units.
Moderators grew tired of CBOAT stirring up shit with patently incorrect information, instituted a 5 month ban.
fastford58
Member
WTF at Dragon Age. Disappointing.
Where did you hear this?
travisbickle
Member
Everyone's harsh on CBOAT. The worst thing he did this year, outside of today, was confront a dev/publisher about the technical quality of a game (Titanfall) and if there's one thing that sums up 2014 it's devs/publishers bullshitting about the technical quality of their games.
Even today, the Eurogamer preview about The Order warned off people preordering because of bugs.
Even today, the Eurogamer preview about The Order warned off people preordering because of bugs.
DomsPlaying
Member
Well done but not surprising, pure economics that sales volume will increase when the price of a product is lowered. Not to mention the larger install base of PS4 right now means less folks buying this holiday. I'm more interested in the revenue and margins associated with MSFT price cuts/bundles because that's the bottom line.
Also I didn't see on the front page has Sony not put out a press release on this? Wish these companies put out hard data oh well seems like GAF is good at estimates
Also I didn't see on the front page has Sony not put out a press release on this? Wish these companies put out hard data oh well seems like GAF is good at estimates
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
I want to know this as well. SSO is one of my favorite games this year, and I'd love for it to have a sequel. Don't toy with my emotions ;_;
DeadlyVirus
Member
Is there any indication on how many MS sold in US alone?
The Praiseworthy
Member
I can't believe Assasain's Creed Unity at number 9, I guess that's what you get for releasing two AC games at the same day and a broken game.
Chobel
Member
Well, duh. It's basic math.
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I also wanna hear about this alleged sequel to SO, gamechanger87. Source please.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
Out of curiosity, is MS still offering crazy fire sale deals like they did for BF? Or is it just the base console for $350 now?
Are you asking this month or LTD?
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
I'd like to know how big of a loss they took on those firesales.
Nightengale
Member
$350. There was a MS-store deal, but that was for first 50 customers at the each MS Store, so not wide-spread.
One would assume it would just count for each game individually, considering it's just the two games thrown together with some different packaging.
Chobel
Member
November ~1240K, LTD 5 mil.
Tertullian
Member
My poor Wii U is truly dead ):
10% YOY increase is all they can manage after all of their heavy hitters are gone. What could even make a dent now? I doubt Zelda U could. Maybe a true Amiibo game?
10% YOY increase is all they can manage after all of their heavy hitters are gone. What could even make a dent now? I doubt Zelda U could. Maybe a true Amiibo game?
Your opinion = My Opinion
It's not to everyone's taste, understandably.
They have through DAI, the general consensus is very positive, head on over to the OT for impressions. I understand your sentiment with DA2 however, but I still stick by the principle that good games should sell well regardless of developer.
Ghost_Messiah
Member
Woah so what happened over the last 12 hours here then? I was super tired last night but forced myself to stay up for NPD. I read the first ten pages or so of this thread and witnessed all the CBOAT chaos. So what happened? CBOAT's bomb on the first page was a lie?
I'm reading back through the thread now trying to catch up. So according to Cream the difference was actually 400K and CBOAT was incorrect?
I'm reading back through the thread now trying to catch up. So according to Cream the difference was actually 400K and CBOAT was incorrect?
300-400k sounds about right given the bottom of the barrel pricing and freebies MS was throwing in with the system, can't imagine they made any money in November, and after paying publishers for all those free games, they probably actually lost money, but they did manage to close the gap by a 3rd in the US, give or take. I'd wager Sony made more money in November on console sales than MS did, most of the big releases still sold more on the PS4, minus bundling, COD, and Madden.
People thinking MS will wipe out the gap completely by February, lol. January and February will be dead months, if anything in the first half of the year is going to move a needle, it'll be Bloodborne when it hits, and more so in Japan than in the US I would think.
It'll be interesting to see if they stick at $350 come January or raise back up to $400. If they settle at $350, I expect to see Sony announce a cut to $350 around E3, probably not before.
People thinking MS will wipe out the gap completely by February, lol. January and February will be dead months, if anything in the first half of the year is going to move a needle, it'll be Bloodborne when it hits, and more so in Japan than in the US I would think.
It'll be interesting to see if they stick at $350 come January or raise back up to $400. If they settle at $350, I expect to see Sony announce a cut to $350 around E3, probably not before.