speculawyer
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Yes, we get it. But clearly the probabilities of those two things are not even close to being equal.laserbeam said:
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PoliGAF General Election Thread of Conventions (Sarah Palin McCain VP Pick)
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McCain hammers Obama for months about his age and lack of experience and then... picks a running mate that's younger and has even less experience?
McCain is OLD.... if he is elected, there is a very real chance than Palin might end up sworn in as president, and that shit is TERRIFYING.
SHE WAS A COUNTY SUPERVISOR JUST A FEW YEARS AGO. SHE HAS NEVER EVER DEALT WITH NATIONAL OR WORLD POLITICS ON ANY LEVEL.
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McCain is OLD.... if he is elected, there is a very real chance than Palin might end up sworn in as president, and that shit is TERRIFYING.
SHE WAS A COUNTY SUPERVISOR JUST A FEW YEARS AGO. SHE HAS NEVER EVER DEALT WITH NATIONAL OR WORLD POLITICS ON ANY LEVEL.
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xs_mini_neo
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Funky Papa said:
Young males have two heads, and this selection is causing a lot of divisiveness between those two heads. It's either young, cool black dude or young sexy girl.
This is one of the reasons why McCain picked her. I also lol'd. The drama continues...
UltimaKilo
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reilo said:
Yes, but you make it seem as if McCain is for an uncomprehensive energy policy and for unsafe nuclear energy.
CharlieDigital
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Some notes from my boss in UT:
Keyboard Jockey © says: Sarah Palin?
Bossman says: McCain's doom
Keyboard Jockey © says: it's somewhat comical
Keyboard Jockey © says: but she's from Alaska
Bossman says: Even more comical. probably one electoral vote
Keyboard Jockey © says: I didn't think about it that way lulz
Bossman says: He needed some one from Florida, Ohio or CA but a no name from Alaska? I mean I love Alaska but what was he thinking?
Keyboard Jockey © says: she IS pretty hot
Keyboard Jockey © says: so...
Bossman says: The end of the GOP for at least 4 years
Fragamemnon
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Apparently, Palin not only supported the Bridge to Nowhere (before it became a fiasco), but kept the money for it even after the earmark was removed:
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_...palin-really-fight-the-bridge-to-nowhere.aspx
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_08/014468.php
So "no thanks" to the bridge itself, but NOM NOM NOM to the money that got sent their way instead of being earmarked for it anyway.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_...palin-really-fight-the-bridge-to-nowhere.aspx
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_08/014468.php
So "no thanks" to the bridge itself, but NOM NOM NOM to the money that got sent their way instead of being earmarked for it anyway.
speculawyer
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GDJustin said:
Yeah, they complain about Obama only having 3 years in the Senate. Well, she's had just 2 years as Governor of a low population state . . . and before that she was just a mayor of a small town. Barack was a state senator in Illionois . . . home of Chicago.
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laserbeam said:
you consistently spew complete fabrications on these boards. mccain points?
The nice thing about Palin being selected as McCain's running mate is that it means that both candidates pretty much just chose their running mates to balance the ticket. McCain chose Palin to bring someone who's not just another white person with a penis to the ticket, and to bring some youth to the ticket. Obama chose Biden to try to connect with midwesterners, to avoid an all-minority ticket, and to bring some experience to the ticket.
So at this point, it's basically a wash. It's McCain vs. Obama.
So at this point, it's basically a wash. It's McCain vs. Obama.
frankthurk
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laserbeam said:
So both VPs are a heartbeat away from being president. What's your point?
UltimaKilo
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Hillary Clinton just issued a statement basically saying that she is proud of Palin and that while they disagree in some policies, "she will bring an important voice to the debate"
Palin's not going to be much of a draw for Hillary's women, with the exception of those so crazed they're willing to vote against their own interests. The woman is staunchly pro-life, which is the antithesis of the average Hillary voter.
And that's before you cull out the ones who have a problem with her treatment of animals.
And that's before you cull out the ones who have a problem with her treatment of animals.
Steve Youngblood
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Yeah, but as far as the media narratives are concerned, McCain's advantage on energy is coming primarily from the fact that he went pro-drilling once the polls showed that it was favored 3-1 by the public as something we should do to combat high gas prices.UltimaKilo said:
rhfb said:
Ah I see... so it's basically the same as saying "she's a split second away from being president". The "heartbeat" must just be added in for the obvious connotations, even though I doubt many people are associating "heartbeat" with a time span. It definitely makes no sense if you associate the "heartbeat" an event that has to happen for her to become president since if his heart is beating he must be alive.
Kettch said:
So did I. It's the smartest move he could make. I'm not sure how effective it will be though. I think the Hillary die-hards who were fans of hers because she is a woman are probably also liberals. I think come election time they won't be petty enough to vote for a female candidate, just because she's female, if she's ideologically opposed to them. At least I hope so.
After Obama's speech last night I think McCain has a whole lot of catching up to do. His VP candidate is a big deal, but I don't she'll be able to out-compete Biden in the end - he has much more experience, he's a genuine liberal, and his controversy isn't as big a deal as hers is. Plus I don't think McCain will be able to fill a stadium like that, and he certainly won't be able to talk about his loving family as much as Obama can.
UltimaKilo said:
He sorta is. He's given lip service to a cap and trade but opposes the actual cap and trade bill in Congress and doesn't seem to understand that the caps would be mandatory.
Plus he's slacking on transportation issues which are intimately tied to energy policy.
greepoman said:
Read: http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa010198.htm
1998. The "heartbeat" phrase is as old as politics itself.
UltimaKilo
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Foxnews is saying that McCain wanted Lieberman but was talked out of it by his advisers because it would unsettle the base too much.
A Black Falcon
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DY_nasty said:
The Democrats lost control of the House in 1994, hurt by scandals and corruption, after about 40 years of continuous control of that body...
The Republicans managed to get that corrupt in a whole lot shorter period of time.
Sure, a couple of Democrats have been involved in scandals in the last few years, but they're outnumbered many times over by Republicans with such problems. It's an important part of why the Democrats gained so much in the '06 elections, and it'll help them this year too. Maybe McCain just couldn't find anyone who wanted to be VP who WASN'T involved in some scandal or other?
... Maybe not, but you've got to wonder...
(And yes, I know the Democrats chose a VP pick with some family members involved in scandal too. At least there the scandal isn't really about Biden himself, though... but on the scale beyond just the presidential candidates, there are far, far more Republicans in legal trouble than Democrats.)
And as for abuse of power, well, if you don't think that the last eight years of the Bush/Cheney administration haven't been one of the greatest general abuses of power in all of American history, well, there's nothing more to say.
PhoenixDark said:
That's what's so great about that she's involved in a scandal now too, she comes in claiming to want to clean up the party's corruption, and then that...
I wasn't saying that she necesarially has close ties to Stevens or the others in that scandal-riddled party, but that it's an obvious opening for the Democrats to attack on the point.
I agree, he will need to be sure to not allow his statements to be taken in a sexist way... but there's more than enough ground to attack McCain and Palin on, it shouldn't be that hard. Joe Biden is a very, very good debater.
True, that might not be a good thing to press. One of Biden's sons has been a lobbyist for the banking industry, after all, and is currently involved in a lawsuit about it (where both sides are suing eachother)... both sides may want to just drop the issue of the ties of family members of the other VP candidate, unless they really want to descend into the mud-slinging. Both sides have potential vulnerabilities there.
Fear? How so? You think the Democrats are more afraid of losing now? I'm not so sure, I think the "least qualified since Quayle" line is a pretty good one... and quite accurate, too.
That she's a creationist really won't help in large parts of the country either. But I guess he was convinced that he really had to solidify his base...
reilo said:
:lol
GrotesqueBeauty
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Whoooooooooooooa nelly. I just hopped online for the first time today and this is the headline that stares me in the face? Gimmick running mate? My first reaction: This has to be one of the most callous and cynical grabs for a specific block of voters I've ever seen. Does McCain think women are so stupid that they don't pay attention to issues?
CharlieDigital
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...for one line?
Is this a record?
I think that this pick may not be as advantageous towards courting the woman vote as McCain thought. There are several glaring faults. One of the bigger reasons, interestingly enough, is that she is too attractive. Her looks coupled with a thin resume rings along the lines of a CEO picking a secretary for her looks and not accomplishments. Women want to be looked upon as equals who can use their talents to compete 'with the boys.' The beauty queen with few credentials doesn't really appeal to women who want to see women empowered through ACHIEVEMENT. There were other women McCain could've picked that had more experience/intellectual pedigree. Hillary gave off the image of a saavy woman who was tough enough to hang with the boys. Palin simply looks good.
What the dems really also need to hit on to neutralize the woman switching over factor is to emphasize that although she is a woman, is she for women's struggles? Is she bringing the ceiling down to talent or working her way up through sex appeal?
What the dems really also need to hit on to neutralize the woman switching over factor is to emphasize that although she is a woman, is she for women's struggles? Is she bringing the ceiling down to talent or working her way up through sex appeal?
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