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NPD Sales Results for May 2015

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A Human Becoming

More than a Member
Meier said:
The guy he responded said it's dropping at retail. This poster pointed out that there's no drop at one very large retailer. Amazon may or may not be representative of overall retail success or failure, but where is there ANY proof that it's dropping?
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All I am saying is not to use Amazon sales charts for performance claims.
 
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noshten

Member
donny2112 said:
On GameStop, it's the #11 game when sorted by best-selling.
On Best Buy, it's the #3 game when sorted by best-selling.
On Wal-Mart, it's the #1 game when sorted by best-selling.

For Amazon:
It was the #2 best-selling game for May (individual SKU).
For June so far, it's the #1 best-selling game.
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That sounds pretty good

Keep in mind some people might buy it in August

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CaviarMeths

Member
donny2112 said:
On GameStop, it's the #11 game when sorted by best-selling.
On Best Buy, it's the #3 game when sorted by best-selling.
On Wal-Mart, it's the #1 game when sorted by best-selling.

For Amazon:
It was the #2 best-selling game for May (individual SKU).
For June so far, it's the #1 best-selling game.
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Do we know how much of the market those four retailers account for individually? I saw someone post that Amazon is about 5%. What about the other 3?
 
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theprodigy

Member
CaviarMeths said:
Do we know how much of the market those four retailers account for individually? I saw someone post that Amazon is about 5%. What about the other 3?
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Gamestop is >30%
Walmart is ~25%
Best Buy is ~12%

however, keep in mind those are online charts for retailers that the majority of their sales are not actually online (I remember seeing something random like Wii U>Xbox One on them before)
 
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CosmicQueso

Member
theprodigy said:
Gamestop is >30%
Walmart is ~25%
Best Buy is ~12%

however, keep in mind those are online charts for retailers that the majority of their sales are not actually online (I remember seeing something random like Wii U>Xbox One on them before)
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For the Wii U specifically, IDG reports GS at 27%, WM at 20% and BBY at 2%. For whatever that's worth.
 
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ZhugeEX

Banned
scrambles said:
No I mean world wide. According to media create and famitsu, PS4 is usually a little more than doubled in europe than in america, and Japan is generally 15k per week.

Xb1 is dead in japan, and around 60-70% of sales are in America and UK. So, that's where I came up with May world wide.
In fact, I'd say it's looking more like:
ps4: 550k
xb1: 220k
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Are you ioi?

Because don't do shit like this.
 
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Crom

Junior Member
thefro said:
2 days of sales versus multi-platform sales over a month. Individual SKUs it's probably behind only PS4 Witcher 3/XB1 Witcher 3

Splatoon should chart again in June based off Amazon US sales. It's been the best-selling available game that's not on sale/pre-orders. It was out of stock for a bit.

Also on Nintendo's eShop a week ago it was the best-seller over the Nindie Bundle games, so it probably did at least 20-40k on the eShop.
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Actually it is the highest charting game right now on Amazon. It is at #5 with only things like Xbox Live cards in front of it.
 
Bioshocker

Bioshocker

Member
KillerSloth said:
People who think Splatoon will have big legs are dreaming Imo. Some games do, bigger games . Don't see Splatoon having big legs at all. Will see next NPD.
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I don't think it will either. But we'll see. It got a decent start and will of course keep selling, but this is not Mario Kart or Smash Bros. It didn't move the needle for Wii U hardware one bit so the question is if existing Wii U owners will jump in or not.There's not much else to play on the system anyway, I guess.
 
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QaaQer

Member
Thunder Monkey said:
I was mainly directing you to that single point you made.

That new IP's tend to be frontloaded. Yes, that can be very true... if the game only serviced a small niche, or if it didn't hit like it could have. Then you have those new IP's that shape not only the console they released on, but to degrees the entire market. CoD, Gears, Halo, and the Wii "" line are some to look at.

Popularity, word of mouth, signifies how frontloaded a games sales will be. And that's nothing you can get from it's first month of sales. Hell, even second and third month can hide an emerging trend.

You may be completely right about Splatoon. But it's first "month" of sales (in this case two days) won't tell you anymore than what it did in those first two days. And you can try to read tea leaves from sites like Amazon, but that's a crapshoot. Don't stake everything on it.

Most of all, have fun. NPD is our own personal monthly soap opera. That we get to influence. Some of us add wit, some add fact, some add wild speculation. At the end, hopefully, it is an interesting dramatic reading reflection of the current market. And probably not something to be proud of, but definitely something to marvel at.
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you are a great poster. :)
 
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Vena

Member
KillerSloth said:
People who think Splatoon will have big legs are dreaming Imo. Some games do, bigger games . Don't see Splatoon having big legs at all. Will see next NPD.
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Unknown quantity, means initial sales can be tepid as buyers are cautious. || Strong/good WoM in the following weeks/days after release. || Continuous content roll-out keeps it in the minds of buyers and would-be buyers. || Legs precedence in Japanese market, decently sustained sales in Euro markets.

There's nothing to dream about here, its simply a recipe. It may not work but there's reason to hold these beliefs.

Trust me, I (also) have a degree in math. We are trustworthy folk...
 
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KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
There is no data supporting the idea that Splatoon has no legs. At least not publicly available. Instead there are sets of data from other markets (some very similar to US one, like UK) that indicates that Splatoon has a decent legs second week (above average anyhow). This is the base that we have now for discussion.

We can have opinions based just on the feeling, but it's much more fun to speculate based on data.

Still waiting for that insider confirmation.
 
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ZhugeEX

Banned
KingSnake said:
There is no data supporting the idea that Splatoon has no legs. At least not publicly available. Instead there are sets of data from other markets (some very similar to US one, like UK) that indicates that Splatoon has decent legs (above average anyhow). This is the base that we have now for discussion.
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It's been out two weeks....
 
prag16

prag16

Banned
Is splatoon NOT bombing really something that requires this much damage control???

Though to be fair, almost all of it is coming from juniors, with a huge chunk of that coming from one poster's tales from his ass.

June will be interesting regardless.
 
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The Grim Reaper

Banned
CosmicQueso said:
For the Wii U specifically, IDG reports GS at 27%, WM at 20% and BBY at 2%. For whatever that's worth.
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Yes, this is more accurate in 2015. The market has been changing since 2013.

It's becoming clear from their financials that GameStop is gaining in influence (in terms of a greater marketshare discrepancy) as the industry becomes more niche.
 
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KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
ZhugeEX said:
Do you know what the term "has legs" means?
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Read the discussion on the last pages to see what I mean. People are stating no less than that's it, the potential was met in the first two days and after that nobody is buying it. I'm just asking for some data backing this.

I edited my initial post to comply with your pedantic comment.
 
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Abdiel

Member
theprodigy said:
....that explains everything about Abdiel's Wii U updates

LOL
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Haha, interesting to see that's how the breakdown comes to. Makes sense to a degree though. Best buy tends to be a larger scale electronics retailer, sells to a different market segment.

I've always prefaced that I like getting more insight from Wal-Mart and gamestop employees for that very reason.
 
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scrambles

Neo Member
ZhugeEX said:
Are you ioi?

Because don't do shit like this.
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I'm just excited for numbers. I currently have a bet going that ps4 will double xb1 by the time halo comes out. I made that prediction January 14th and it's doing pretty well. It'll come close but I don't think it will make it.
 
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ZhugeEX

Banned
scrambles said:
I'm just excited for numbers. I currently have a bet going that ps4 will double xb1 by the time halo comes out. I made that prediction January 14th and it's doing pretty well. It'll come close but I don't think it will make it.
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No worries, just don't post "estimated" numbers without explicitly stating they are your estimated numbers.

The reason being because these numbers aren't really based on anything + people on this forum will think they're real.

CosmicQueso said:
For the Wii U specifically, IDG reports GS at 27%, WM at 20% and BBY at 2%. For whatever that's worth.
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I would have thought GS would be higher tbh.

Do you have overall shares for 2015 at all?
 
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scrambles

Neo Member
ZhugeEX said:
No worries, just don't post "estimated" numbers without explicitly stating they are your estimated numbers.

The reason being because these numbers aren't really based on anything + people on this forum will think they're real.



I would have thought GS would be higher tbh.

Do you have overall shares for 2015 at all?
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but you have a basis for them! My word as a junior member XD
Thanks for the warning, I didn't consider that aspect of it.
 
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YoodlePro

Member
Does anyone have a platform split for the witcher?

It might have been posted but I don't have Internet access all that often where I am now
 
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The Grim Reaper

Banned
ZhugeEX said:
No worries, just don't post "estimated" numbers without explicitly stating they are your estimated numbers.

The reason being because these numbers aren't really based on anything + people on this forum will think they're real.



I would have thought GS would be higher tbh.

Do you have overall shares for 2015 at all?
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It's pretty much got to the point that anyone just has to state a number and we immediately assume for some reason that it's from a sales insider.
 
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aaronwt

Member
KillerMan91 said:
Sony is forecasting a half smaller profits for SCE this FY compared to last FY. I think that pretty much tells us that there will be a big $100 price cut.I don't think $50 cut would result that big drop in profits as the manfacturing costs have also dropped.
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A $100 price drop would be surprising. I just can't see Sony needlessly giving away an extra $50. A $50 price drop seems to make more sense.
 
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thestopsign

Member
I would guess Splatoon is somewhere around 200k next month, which should put it in the fifth-sixth position. I highly doubt it does less than what it did in two days in May.

Edit: I also have odd anecdotal evidence of the success of the game. A popular fan artist for League of Legends did a cross-over between the two games and it got highly upvoted on the League sub-reddit. Many of the top comments were singing praise about the game. I haven't seen this happen for any other game in five years of watching the sub-reddit. There are the rare posts about Starcraft II, DOTA II, and Counter Strike: GO as other e-Sports, but that is about it.
 
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alexandros

Banned
Opiate said:
Absolutely, I don't mean to go from one extreme (everything is fine, nothing to see here) to the other (doooooooom, consoles will be dead soon). Consoles are contracting, but don't seem to be dying in the forseeable future.

I think we can find a middle ground here where we basically say, "Yes, there are significant problems with the console market right now, and they're worth talking about. However, that doesn't mean consoles are dying."
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I think there is a silver lining: PC gaming. I feel like at least some former console gamers haven't left gaming completely or transitioned to mobile but are now more involved in PC gaming and their spending cannot be tracked through conventional means like NPD. So while the console industry may be contracting, I don't think core gaming in general is in any trouble.

In any case the next couple of years will be interesting. I was of the opinion that the road that Sony and MS took in terms of horsepower (low end specs, profitable or break-even from day 1) was a big mistake and it will bite them in the ass eventually as the gap between consoles and PCs becomes huge. I still stand by that opinion. I believe both companies will need significant price drops to sustain the current momentum. I could be hilariously wrong of course. We'll see!
 
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