Have you been on the internet recently?
All the rumors and articles are pointing to an always online requirement for all apps and games. Sources have said you have 3 minutes of non-connection before you're dumped.
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Xbox v.Next and Only Online by Paul Thurrott: Deal With It :)
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Have you been on the internet recently?
All the rumors and articles are pointing to an always online requirement for all apps and games. Sources have said you have 3 minutes of non-connection before you're dumped.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
If these things are always-online-required I can only imagine what a nightmare it will be to work retail around launch time.
Yeah, that's it. That's exactly what he specifically he meant. You can tell because he worded it carefully, and didn't just make a spontaneous joke while completely forgetting that Sony is doing the same thing amirite? lol
I like how almost all of your pros are a "maybe" or "possibly".
No way in hell I'll be using the Share button for Facebook but with the constant video recording in the background? Shit's going up on YouTube.
If they had it on PS3 i'd have a channel full of soul crushing deaths from Demon's & Dark Souls alone.
Doug Heffernan
Member
There you go again, misconstruing rumors as facts.
When was it explicitly stated that you didn't have a choice with Durango? What do you say we wait until the facts are in before deciding how the feature will actually work , eh?
BlazingDarkness
Member
They'll probably remove the DRM.
Yeah, but I'm not talking about rumors. I'm talking about what this guy supposedly with a reliable source said, and the ridiculous conclusions people are making based on his words.
Four_Chamber
Member
Funny how that both the positives and negatives for a console that hasn't even been announced are, shockingly, all "maybes."
Miles Quaritch
Member
Well, apps would require an online connection. Games is the worrying aspect and while the rumours all but confirm there's a mandatory always online requirement, there's still a sliver of hope some will hold onto until it's actually confirmed by MS.
Can't blame them for being in denial, who would ever have thought a console would have a mandatory always online requirement?
ELRenoRaven
Member
Exactly. with an Always online required future you're only renting your games. That's bullshit. That's why they could have every damn developer in the world exclusive to the next Xbox and I still wouldn't buy it. There are plenty of old games to play.
He is just as much a rumor mill as anyone else. Do his words make you happier so it pleases you to jump on his more?
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Can Crusher
Banned
The problem will always be that MS won't be able to spin this as pro consumer, because there's no advantage to it.
This
This is way worse than 599 or carts ever were, you think spending 599 on a overpriced PS3 at launch was bad. Now you are spending hundreds of dollars into products that can be switched "off" by the company at any point. You no longer own anything you purchase there
They will gladly pull the switch on a older Halo game, so that they can sell a newer one, see Halo 2.
That is indefensible on every level, you are spending 60 dollars game, plus possible DLC, micro transactions, addons, subscriptions to Live, subscriptions to other services or MMOs and you still wont own the game you are playing.
You are leasing it. That is much worse than the nogame.jpg grill 599 giant enemy crab in every way possible.
If you want to make any excuses for this and defend it, you go right ahead. But not me, i am not throwing money away on lending games and have nothing at the end.
Unspeakable Evil
Member
I fucking love Gaf.I really don't understand why Microsoft would do this... at every turn it has been hard to believe that they would do something so hubristic. Why would they turn their backs on the people who made them successful?
Uncle Neogaf: Will, its alright to be angry at the Next Xbox.
Will: Hey, why should I be mad? Im saying, at least he gave hardcores some lip service this time. I just wish I hadnt wasted my money buying this stupid present.
Uncle Neogaf: Im sorry, I, you know, Always-Online, Kinect 2.0, no used games, if there was something that I could do
Will: Hey, you know what? You aint got to do nothing, Uncle Neogaf. Hey, you know? Aint like Im still five-years old, you know? Aint like Im going to be sitting up every night, playing Halo, asking my Mom, Whens the next Xbox coming home? You know? Who needs Xbox? Hey, he wasnt there to teach me how to shoot my first headshot, but I learned, didnt I? Hey I got pretty damned good at it too, didnt I Uncle Neogaf?
Uncle Neogaf: Yeah, you did.
Will: Got through my first platformer without him, right? I learned how to drive, I learned how to spend skill points, I learned how to fight without him. I had FIVE great console generations without him! He never even sent me a damn Xbox Live Points cardTO HELL WITH HIM!
[Pause]
Will: I didnt need him them and I dont need him now.
Uncle Neogaf: Will
Will: Nah, you know what Uncle Neogaf? Im gonna get through Next Gen without him. Im gonna get in great Driveclub without him. Im gonna start my own videogame company, and Im making me a whole bunch of consoles and they will work offline, Im gonna be a better platform holder than he ever was, and I sure as hell dont need him for that, cause there aint a damn thing he could ever teach me about how to love my games!
[Pause]
Will: How come he dont want me, man?
You underestimate Microsoft here. They spin a monthly fee for P2P multiplayer as something with actual value.
They can do anything.
Why is it whenever I see Don, I think of the saying "Always smile at the person you're shafting"
metareferential
Member
Just like the cons, really.
BlazingDarkness
Member
The minus half is all extrapolated from existing rumours, the pro half is just what I'd expect from MS based on previous practices.
To be fair, all his negatives are rumours too.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
I really don't understand why Microsoft would do this... at every turn it has been hard to believe that they would do something so hubristic. Why would they turn their backs on the people who made them successful?
Uncle Neogaf: Will, its alright to be angry at the Next Xbox.
Will: Hey, why should I be mad? Im saying, at least he gave hardcores some lip service this time. I just wish I hadnt wasted my money buying this stupid present.
Uncle Neogaf: Im sorry, I, you know, Always-Online, Kinect 2.0, no used games, if there was something that I could do
Will: Hey, you know what? You aint got to do nothing, Uncle Neogaf. Hey, you know? Aint like Im still five-years old, you know? Aint like Im going to be sitting up every night, playing Halo, asking my Mom, Whens the next Xbox coming home? You know? Who needs Xbox? Hey, he wasnt there to teach me how to shoot my first headshot, but I learned, didnt I? Hey I got pretty damned good at it too, didnt I Uncle Neogaf?
Uncle Neogaf: Yeah, you did.
Will: Got through my first platformer without him, right? I learned how to drive, I learned how to spend skill points, I learned how to fight without him. I had FIVE great console generations without him! He never even sent me a damn Xbox Live Points cardTO HELL WITH HIM!
[Pause]
Will: I didnt need him them and I dont need him now.
Uncle Neogaf: Will
Will: Nah, you know what Uncle Neogaf? Im gonna get through Next Gen without him. Im gonna get in great Driveclub without him. Im gonna start my own videogame company, and Im making me a whole bunch of consoles and they will work offline, Im gonna be a better platform holder than he ever was, and I sure as hell dont need him for that, cause there aint a damn thing he could ever teach me about how to love my games!
[Pause]
Will: How come he dont want me, man?
WHY AM I FUCKING CRYING?
I'm not the one jumping to conclusions here, I didn't even mention anything about the Durango always need to be on twitter/facebook. you're the one that brought the PS4 into this discussion.
And from what Sony showed everything seemed optional.
There are other people with supposedly reliable sources. He said the same thing they said. Lose network connection, no gaming.
Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I feel like the rumors aren't certain enough to rule this option out. We'll see.
Does seem crazy. However, I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that this thing is gonna be cheap.
I can see this happening too, the rumours just aren't skewing that way.
We'll see come May 21st.
At first I was really upset, but now I'm starting to realize that, in concept, regardless of the always online/kinect stuff, the 720 might actually be a cool box. We really don't know much about it's software features, but a super-powered Roku/cable box that can play games sounds kind of neat (even if it isn't what I personally want). Plus you have the fact that it has Windows integrated into it, maybe it could function as a PC on some level?
The always online issue is pretty much Microsoft willingly forfeiting consumers to Sony, which is intriguing in a way. They are just not offering that kind of box. I'm starting to believe that they don't care about being "number one" anymore in pure console sales.
Either way, if they really have cut deals with cable companies to offer it for cheap with a subscription, I know many people would buy one regardless of the BS involved, and it'd may be a pretty functional solution for them because of the low price.
I'm fine with two competing consoles with opposite visions driving them, as long as that anti-consumer stuff does not rub off on the PS4 (what I want ) :-D.
The always online issue is pretty much Microsoft willingly forfeiting consumers to Sony, which is intriguing in a way. They are just not offering that kind of box. I'm starting to believe that they don't care about being "number one" anymore in pure console sales.
Either way, if they really have cut deals with cable companies to offer it for cheap with a subscription, I know many people would buy one regardless of the BS involved, and it'd may be a pretty functional solution for them because of the low price.
I'm fine with two competing consoles with opposite visions driving them, as long as that anti-consumer stuff does not rub off on the PS4 (what I want ) :-D.
Having always online (from MS POV): a) enhanced security b) better loss prevention/risk mitigation c) increased license mobility A can be managed without a persistent online connection, B really benefits from it but C... C is incredibly interesting for consumers, especially. If they shut everything down then it sucks... But you can have interesting scenarios occur to satisfy consumers (basically taking steam to an awesome new level) and also ease the frustrations of publishers and developers
People complain about server uptime and stability... But Xbox Live has been magnificent in this regard. Only a few unplanned outages in 10.5 years.
Microsoft took a gamble going broadband only with Xbox 1- the always connected model is actually less of a risk relative to that as FTTH rollout starts overtaking DSL in large city centers across the planet - even my connection I consider flakey but in likely 2 years it'll be replaced by fiber- a lot of dark fiber across the world right now - this is why Microsoft is expected to launch cloud gaming a couple years in instead of at launch- fiber is picking up huge and quickly- when xbox live launched there was more dial-up users than DSL/Cable users... Now? Wtf is dial-up?
People just assume the worst, then use rare examples like their router is flakey (not MS problem), their connection is flakey (ping home times can be adjusted), moving to a new house, rural broadband availability (even though 95% of US households have access to broadband, 95% of Europe as of 2 years ago) and the key countries in Asia have great buildout too. The methodology will possibility be different for countries like Russia, Brazil, China but no guarantees.
I see some really awesome upcoming concepts like their multi screen strategy and the connectivity going forward. Now I won't need to use awkward RDP protocols to access some content... Imagine if they stream the TV too... Like an added slingplayer in the house without the Internet discovery... To me? That's awesome stuff. I want to see what comes from an always connected approach as its a forward thinking strategy. Is is going to be perfect? Likely not. Nothing ever is. But I'm not going to sit here and piss on something we have no fucking clue about.
He may be, I suppose. But I wasn't necessarily talking about his credibility here. I was talking about the conclusions you made from his rumor. Not talking about anything else here man.
Personally, I'm not sure what to make of all the rumors. It seems to me the Durango will be optimized for always online, but there has to be some level of offline functionality. Most likely you will have access to basic functionality, but not much else since it will require internet. I'm not sure about the 3 second rumor. It seems a little...stupid...to me and I think maybe that was something they threw around, but I doubt it would make it into the final box. That's what I think, if you actually want to know. His words don't make me any happier or sadder. I'll wait until I hear something official, then I'll decided if I should also get a Durango.
As awesome as Sony's 1st party lineup is - how do the sales compare to third party titles that are on both consoles? I'd be curious to see the sum of Sony 1st party title sales in 2012 compared to the sales of the 2012 CoD title. Again... it's the uninformed masses that really drive the business...
I'm not nit picking to be a dick, I'm nitpicking because it kind of changes the level of what we are discussing. You know it is a 3 minute rumor right? Not a 3 second rumor. The only reason I say that is because everyone would find 3 seconds to be ridiculous. At least with 3 minutes, a board room of old men who know nothing about technology could be convinced that that is plenty of time.
Flatline
Banned
When an asshole company uses abhorrent anti-consumer tactics and idiots go buy their shitty product anyway their competitors will eventually adopt their crappy tactics because they know they have something to gain and nothing to lose.
But if Microsoft is made an example by us the always-onlike DRM bullshit will fail. So yeah, by buying that crap you affect me.
Punkster_NY
Member
isn't hacking rampant on the xbox? what about bootlegged games? well that's two problems that an always online connection solves right there....oh you meant for the end user....for them, nothing.
here come the nightmares.
If you think Paul is always on Microsoft's side you don't know Paul. He is very critical of Microsoft and their products.
fixed for ya
The casuals already bought a Wii, this people will never going to buy consoles again. There's a reason WiiU is failing.
soulassssns
Banned
http://www.neowin.net/news/editoria...m_campaign=Feed:+neowin-all+(Neowin+All+News)
Not sure if anybody has read this article about it yet.
Not sure if anybody has read this article about it yet.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
How do you fight against people who hide behind anonymity that say the most outlandish things? Some people are reasonable, some aren't.
On the podcast there is no ambiguity. He says: "must be internet connected to use"
blurredvision
Member
It's really unfortunate to see some of you talk shit about Paul Thurrott without knowing anything about him or his site. You see his site brand itself as the "supersite for Windows" and automatically go into internet gamer rage mode.
Paul's site has been a great source for Microsoft-related info for years now, one I can go to quite often and get a no-bullshit preview/review on upcoming Microsoft products, namely Windows, Office, etc. No, he isn't a Microsoft shrill, he does honestly tell it like it is. If he doesn't like something in a new Windows release, he'll say it. If he does like something, he'll say it.
He really hits the nail on the head in that article with these bits:
Paul's site has been a great source for Microsoft-related info for years now, one I can go to quite often and get a no-bullshit preview/review on upcoming Microsoft products, namely Windows, Office, etc. No, he isn't a Microsoft shrill, he does honestly tell it like it is. If he doesn't like something in a new Windows release, he'll say it. If he does like something, he'll say it.
He really hits the nail on the head in that article with these bits:
There's, of course, benefits for MS.
But in terms of benefits for the customer, I would be curious about an elaboration on c). If we're talking about gifting games, that could be allowed without constant online checks.
SenjutsuSage
Halo TV Series Promoter - Live from: Reach
Still there on day one. Can't wait for some more information.