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[donny2112]

What 3rd party games?

Tamagotchi: Party On! of course.

 

[Phife Dawg]

and people are saying third party isnt selling on wii. Maybe compared to Nintendo itself no, but Nintendo is a self perpetuating monster and shouldnt have its own sales compared to third party. but Third party IS selling fairly well by that graph.

That's cumulative though and you have to bear in mind that more titles have been released on Wii than PS3. That being said it's still better than PS3 but far from being foolproof territory for publishers.

Well, if PS2 were added to that, there would be a very different picture being painted. That picture is that the home console market is not a friendly one, as far as the new generation is concerned.

Do you honestly expect any of the new consoles to beat cumulative third party software sales on a proven console like PS2 this early in their respective life-cycle?

The problem is that PS3 and X360 are a garbage comparison because they're both flat-out failures. Beating two failures is not by itself a measure of success. What do the numbers look like for various moderate-to-very successful systems at the same point in their lifespan?

I don't have any numbers to crunch or anything but in retrospect the situation on DS was comparable. A lot of crap third party games got released early on to mixed success (most failed) and we were having the same discussions.

It might not work out on Wii like it did on DS but just as with DS devs and publishers have to come to grips with the system and it's userbase. Like I said, there is no proven formula for success since Wii strays away a fair bit from the usual, like the DS.

Thanks to Cheese:

 

[noonche]

JoshuaJSlone did that comparison (PS2) a week or two ago, as well. I think the PS2 is comparable to the Wii, but clearly ahead.

This is true, but people tend to forget that PS2 also had a really shitty first year as far as quality software is concerned. I don't think comparing sales of shitty games really gives a clear perspective as to what 3rd party sales potential really is. We'll have a better idea of how third party games on Wii fare once some geniuinely great ones start coming out. We can compare those games (actually good and actually marketed 3rd party Wii games) to PS2 or DS's good third party games.

 

[Rock_Man]

Xb360 grabs largest share since Wii launch.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

There's a third Sora no Kiseki? The demo for SC blew goat-balls.

Yup, released this June for PC.

Lots of pics:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20070627/3rd.htm

According to GameFAQs, Tamagotchi 3 was the one released in the Spring. Maybe this is Tamagotchi 4? I'm really not 100% sure.

Looks like Hometek took care of Tamagotchi in USA :lol

Corner Shop 3 is actually Tamagotchi no Appare! Niji-Venture:

Tamagotchi no Puchi Puchi Omisecchi: Mina San Kyu (3rd entry in the Puchi blablabla series):

 

[M3d10n]

Actually, they have given out dev kits already for free.

Wii and DS dev kits are relatively cheap:

Software Development Kits: Approximate development costs range from $2,500 to $10,000, depending on the size of your team.

That's on par with the costs of buying a bunch of Photoshop and 3D Studio MAX/Maya licenses.

BTW, MC still haven't updated their site with the HW or did I miss the memo?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Well, if PS2 were added to that, there would be a very different picture being painted. That picture is that the home console market is not a friendly one, as far as the new generation is concerned.

Unless you're Nintendo or have an especially hot brand, it seems that way thus far. It would be interesting to add "PS2 since November 2006" to the list, but I don't know where I'd find a decent breakdown like the DS/PSP and X360/PS3/Wii data we have. It'll be forever and a day until we have, say, the Top 500 2007 info to see how things are overall this year.

The problem is that PS3 and X360 are a garbage comparison because they're both flat-out failures. Beating two failures is not by itself a measure of success. What do the numbers look like for various moderate-to-very successful systems at the same point in their lifespan?

I've looked at PS2 software sales through 30 and 40 weeks before, but haven't gone further. I've been planning on updating it to week 52; maybe I should stop halfway through the additions to see how its bars would look at a similar age as Wii and PS3.

BTW, MC still haven't updated their site with the HW or did I miss the memo?

They did, I guess it hasn't been updated into the first post though.

 

[M3d10n]

They did, I guess it hasn't been updated into the first post though.

Indeed, I found it shuffling around the thread.

MediaCreate-Ranking
http://www.m-create.com/ranking/

DSL 87,445
PSP 86,895
Wii 20,704
PS3 10,822
PS2 10,446
Xbox360 1,547
GBASP 195
GC 109
DS 90
GBM 47
GBA 0

TOP50
NDS:23
PS2:10
Wii:7
PSP:6
PS3:3
XBOX360:1

PSP's viagra effects seem to be fading away as predicted, while the Wii is dangerously on the way of joining its next-gen brethren in sales.

 

[Xeke]

My question is are Wii third party titles really selling THAT much worse than PS2's first year third party titles?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

So I updated PS2 through week 45, which puts it through the first week in January, 2001. I may have missed something Sony-published, because their list seems incredibly weak. However, by grabbing the ones with publisher listed as SCE I only get Fantavision, "Scandal", Blood: The Last Vampire, Dark Cloud, I.Q. Remix+, and TVDJ.

Top 10 PS2 games at this time (all of those above 250K, incidentally):
Ridge Racer V
Gekikuukan Pro Baseball: At the End of the Century 1999
Tekken TAG TOURNAMENT
Kessen
Dead or Alive 2
Jikkyou Powerful Pro baseball 7
Shin Sangoku Musou
The Bouncer
Mobile Suit Gundam
FIFA Soccer World Championship

 

[Version 3.0]

So Wii software is ahead of PS2 software, but over 3/4 of Wii game sales are 1st-party. Ouch.

So, if you're a publisher:

1. Support the Wii and have low sales.
2. Support the PS3/360 and have even lower sales.
3. Support the DS/PSP and clean up.
4. Make cell phone games and constantly feel sick to your stomach.

Actually, if I were a publisher, I'd try to grab a piece of the Wii market that's not being addressed by Nintendo, instead of scrambling for the leftover crumbs of the party game or kiddie market. But that's just me.

 

[ccbfan]

So I updated PS2 through week 45, which puts it through the first week in January, 2001. I may have missed something Sony-published, because their list seems incredibly weak. However, by grabbing the ones with publisher listed as SCE I only get Fantavision, "Scandal", Blood: The Last Vampire, Dark Cloud, I.Q. Remix+, and TVDJ.

Top 10 PS2 games at this time (all of those above 250K, incidentally):
Ridge Racer V
Gekikuukan Pro Baseball: At the End of the Century 1999
Tekken TAG TOURNAMENT
Kessen
Dead or Alive 2
Jikkyou Powerful Pro baseball 7
Shin Sangoku Musou
The Bouncer
Mobile Suit Gundam
FIFA Soccer World Championship

Wow I knew it was bad but I never expected this. Doesn't Wii have a higher userbase too.

 

[Eteric Rice]

Wow I knew it was bad but I never expected this. Doesn't Wii have a higher userbase too.

Yes, but it also has an extremely high amount of shitty games.

 

[ccbfan]

So Wii software is ahead of PS2 software, but over 3/4 of Wii game sales are 1st-party. Ouch.

So, if you're a publisher:

1. Support the Wii and have low sales.
2. Support the PS3/360 and have even lower sales.
3. Support the DS/PSP and clean up.
4. Make cell phone games and constantly feel sick to your stomach.

Actually, if I were a publisher, I'd try to grab a piece of the Wii market that's not being addressed by Nintendo, instead of scrambling for the leftover crumbs of the party game or kiddie market. But that's just me.

Maybe not thats only PS2 third party.

Don't know what first party sales are but if you add those they might put PS2 in the lead. For some reason I just don't feel right counting a controller than comes with a 10 dollar mini-game collection as part of software sales. So the 1st party/3rd party ratio is no that bad for the Wii.

 

[AniHawk]

Yes, but it also has an extremely high amount of shitty games.

As indicated by the blue bar on the far right.

 

[ccbfan]

Yes, but it also has an extremely high amount of shitty games.

PS2 is a little better but not that much better. Especially not 3.3 times more. Heck DQ:S might be the highest profile of all the games.

 

[donny2112]

It would be interesting to add "PS2 since November 2006" to the list, but I don't know where I'd find a decent breakdown like the DS/PSP and X360/PS3/Wii data we have.

Publishers aren't included, but here's the PS2 totals based on just the weekly Famitsu Top 30s since November 1, 2006. 89 games. 7.9 million total software.

PS2 Musou Orochi 588,348
PS2 Yakuza 2 531,312
PS2 Super Robot Wars: OG 417,430
PS2 Gundam SEED: Federation vs ZAFT II 385,660
PS2 GTA: San Andreas 357,899
PS2 Yakuza (BEST) 308,856
PS2 Tales of Destiny 300,724
PS2 Sengoku Musou 2: Moushouden 280,035
PS2 Seiken Densetsu 4 277,193
PS2 J-League Winning Eleven 2007 Club Championship 276,819
PS2 Jikkyou Power Pro Baseball 14 270,843
PS2 Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ 250,463
PS2 Another Century's Episode 3: The Final 223,058
PS2 Momotarou Dentetsu 16 196,346
PS2 Fate/Stay Night [Realta Nua] 166,986
PS2 Pro Baseball Spirits 4 162,236
PS2 J-League Pro Soccer 5 153,605
PS2 Sengoku Musou 2 Empires 147,105
PS2 .hack//G.U. Vol. 3 137,327
PS2 J-League Winning Eleven 10 + Europe League 06-07 136,737
PS2 Persona 3: Fes 135,993
PS2 Summon Night 4 134,596
PS2 Shining Wind 110,288
PS2 Naruto: Shippuuden N-Ultimate Accelerator 107,602
PS2 Final Fantasy XII International Zodiac 104,287
PS2 Shining Force EXA 102,284
PS2 Higurashi no Naku Koro ni 93,319
PS2 Hisshou Pachinko*Pachi-Slot Kouryoku Series Vol. 10: CR Shinseiki Evangelion: Kiseki no Kachi 90,020
PS2 Odin Sphere 74,991
PS2 Pachinko Winter Sonata 72,251
PS2 Wild Arms: The Vth Vanguard 68,789
PS2 Soul Cradle: Sekai wo Kurau Mono 61,327
PS2 Kenka Bancho 2: Full Throttle 59,302
PS2 Dragon Shadow Spell 45,548
PS2 Tales of Fandom Vol. 2 Tear/Luke 45,354
PS2 Growlanser VI 42,266
PS2 Gintama: Together with Gin-san! My Kabuki-cho Diary 41,038
PS2 Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 13 Ketteiban 37,256
PS2 GTA: Liberty City Stories 36,479
PS2 Guilty Gear XX 34,106
PS2 Pachi-Para 14: Wind, Clouds, and the Super Sea in Okinawa 33,712
PS2 Pro Baseball Netsu Stadium 2007 33,407
PS2 Bleach Blade Battlers 2 31,676
PS2 Minna no Tennis 30,663
PS2 Fist of the North Star: Shinban no Futazousei - Kengou Retsuden 29,658
PS2 NARUTO Kinoha Spirits 29,131
PS2 Mana-Khemia: The School Alchemists 24,676
PS2 Metal Gear 20th Anniversary Collection 24,310
PS2 Hisshou Pachinko*Pachi-Slot Kouryoku Series Vol. 11: Shinseiki Evangelion: Magokoro 24,294
PS2 Phantasy Star Universe: Ambition of the Illuminus 24,141
PS2 Dragon Ball Z Sparking Neo 22,363
PS2 Brighter than Dawning Blue 22,247
PS2 Lupin the 3rd: Death for Lupin from Love of Money 22,170
PS2 Kin-iro no Corda 2 21,480
PS2 Saint Seiya: The Hades 20,745
PS2 Kamen Rider Kabuto 20,570
PS2 Negima!? 3-Jikanme ~Koi to Mahou to Sekaiju Densetsu~ 19,592
PS2 Rakushou! Pachislo Sengen 5: Rio Paradise 18,253
PS2 King of Fighters: Maximum Impact Regulation "A" 18,232
PS2 Pachitte Chonmage Tatsujin 12: Pachinko Ultraman 17,677
PS2 Sanyo Pachinko Paradise 13 17,592
PS2 Kiniro no Corda 2 Anchor 17,517
PS2 Tenshou Gakuen Gekkou Hasumi 17,190
PS2 Pop'n Music 14: Fever! 16,844
PS2 Beatmania IIDX 13: DistorteD 16,767
PS2 Daito Giken Official Pachislo Simulator: Shake II 16,235
PS2 Neon Genesis Evangelion: Battle Orchestra 15,726
PS2 Grim Grimoire 14,865
PS2 Prince of Tennis: Doki-Doki Survival 14,604
PS2 NBA Live 07 13,990
PS2 Rogue Galaxy: Director's Cut 13,615
PS2 The Battle of Yu Yu Hakusho 11,856
PS2 Kateikyoushi Hitman Reborn! Dream Hyper Battle 11,196
PS2 GuitarFreaks & DrumMania Masterpiece Gold 10,455
PS2 Rozen Maiden: Gebetgarden 10,184
PS2 Promising This Blue Sky: Melody of the Sun and Sea 10,068
PS2 Jissen Pachinko Hisshouhou! CR Sakura Taisen 9,899
PS2 Medal of Honor: Vanguard 9,748
PS2 Utawareru Mono Chiriyuku Mono e-no Komori Uta 9,664
PS2 Wrestling Kingdom 2: Pro Wrestling World War 9,515
PS2 Winning Post 7: Maximum 2007 9,111
PS2 Guitar Freaks V2 & DrumMania V2 8,839
PS2 Memories Off #5 Encore 8,613
PS2 Amagoushi's Mansion 8,515
PS2 Mai Otome 8,005
PS2 Nanatsu Iro * Drops Pure!! 7,767
PS2 Jojo no Kimyou na Bouken: Phantom Blood 7,732
PS2 Gallop Racer Inbreed 6,994
PS2 Captain Tsubasa 6,552

 

[Azelover]

What do we care so much about third(or whatever) party companies for? They're all just games, I'm sure some of them will manage to catch up but so what if in Japan the future becomes primarily dominated by Nintendo software? The reality is nothing is or has stopped any third party from stepping up to the plate themselves. Most of them have been losing customers for many years, with or without Nintendo's help. Whether or not these third parties are successful on the Wii or the DS doesn't change the routes of this industry as much anymore.

 

[ethelred]

What do we care so much about third(or whatever) party companies for? They're all just games, I'm sure some of them will manage to catch up but so what if in Japan the future becomes primarily dominated by Nintendo software?

People who like to play good games care.

 

[Azelover]

People who like to play good games care.

And good games can only come from third parties?

 

[AniHawk]

And good games can only come from third parties?

No, but more good games is better than less good games.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Publishers aren't included, but here's the PS2 totals based on just the weekly Famitsu Top 30s since November 1, 2006. 89 games. 7.9 million total software.

Someone say if it's otherwise, but just scrolling through there no Sony-published titles are jumping out?

There must be a lot of sales in the under-30 section; perhaps several million. I count Wii software at ~8.9 million, but according to the Famitsu pie chats PS2 has beat it in software sales well over half of the weeks. Of course all weeks not being equal we can't tell what the total difference is, but PS2 should at least be over 9 million.

 

[Rock_Man]

There must be a lot of sales in the under-30 section; perhaps several million. I count Wii software at ~8.9 million, but according to the Famitsu pie chats PS2 has beat it in software sales well over half of the weeks. Of course all weeks not being equal we can't tell what the total difference is, but PS2 should at least be over 9 million.

Oct 30/06 - Sept 30/07 based on the Famitsu pie charts and estimated weekly total sales:
PS2 - 13,5 million
Wii - 9,2 million
PS3 - 2,1 million
Xb360 - 1,1 million

 

[Parl]

The bottom line is that IF third parties supported Wii as much as they supported PS2 in this opening period, then everything will look MUCH different.

Nintendo is highly competitive, but many people who enjoy Nintendo games also enjoy blockbuster titles from third parties - titles that if Nintendo tried to compete with, they'd lose because these markets are specific third party's ball parks, and not Nintendo's.

So basically, "Third parties don't sell on Wii" is only true if third party choose not to. And they have chosen not to thus far. All they have done is put out product that doesn't suit the market (PS2 games with tacked on controls. I'd prefer to play it the way it has been designed, mostly), and shovelware which would have sold about as poorly on PS2 in its opening period.

Looking at graphs like for the third party sales on Wii against PS2 is heavily misleading. What would it look like if Wii got all of this support, and PS2 got shitty shovelware, some ports with tacked on controls, and the odd good title? All with Nintendo still supporting Wii just as much? Something very different.

Third parties don't sell on ANY console if it's a game the market ain't interested in.

 

[BishopLamont]

Noone thought the Wii would demolish the competition so much, that's why third party release PS2 ports with tacked on waggle. Ground up Wii made games will take time and it's these sales that will show how third party do. Zack and Wiki, King story, MH3, FFCC (to some extent), Sonic and Mario at the olympics, that new tales games. Those are the games that matter. The only game that show any effort put into so far is Dewy, but everyone knows the story with that. Bottom line if third party want money on the Wii, they better put their ass to work (no not in that way for you bended people).

 

[Parl]

For the theory that third parties struggle on Nintendo consoles because they're Nintendo consoles, there is a need to consider two systems: SNES and PS3.

 

[test_account]

For the theory that third parties struggle on Nintendo consoles because they're Nintendo consoles, there is a need to consider two systems: SNES and PS3.

I welcome new SNES games I wonder how good a new SNES game would have sold today.

 

[wazoo]

For japan, if the situation stays the same, WII/DS will be the market and people will buy 3rd party games because it will be the only choice. For the west, ps3/X360 are still alive and may be prefered (I know I will) unless the games are original and without comparison (not like SCIV/SC Legends).

 

[BishopLamont]

I welcome new SNES games I wonder how good a new SNES game would have sold today.

Pretty good if VC is any indication, ofcourse it must be first party.

 

[RubberJohnny]

JoshuaJSlone, I don't suppose you could make a purely Wii/PS2 graph for me to use elsewhere? I don't have your archive of figures.

 

[test_account]

Pretty good if VC is any indication, ofcourse it must be first party.

Ye, but what about full retail with box and everything? Damn, a true sequel to Super Mario World would be amazing. I wonder why they didnt make one. They did make Yoshi's Island and thats SMW 2 tho, but i dont concider that as a true sequel in that fashion because Yoshi is the main character. Yoshi's Island is a great game tho, but i want another Super Mario World game too )

 

[cvxfreak]

I love a good bomba. Just bought Mario Strikers Charged brand new for 3000 Yen at Sofmap.

DQS fetches that same price too. Last week I saw quite a few copies of FFXII International at that price too. But they were gone tonight.

 

[Stumpokapow]

DQS fetches that same price too. Last week I saw quite a few copies of FFXII International at that price too. But they were gone tonight.

FFXII international was a megabomba compared to previous international editions. I remember pre-release how everyone thought FFXII was going to move upwards in the hierarchy of FF game sales... and then it didn't.

 

[Kiriku]

Someone say if it's otherwise, but just scrolling through there no Sony-published titles are jumping out?

The highest ones I see are:

Wild Arms: The Vth Vanguard 68,789
Bleach Blade Battlers 2 31,676
Minna no Tennis 30,663

 

[loosus]

LTTP, but holy crap, I can't believe Wii is about to hit the shitter like the PS3. Nintendo has really squandered its potential success. I guess Nintendo thought Wii was going to be like DS, where a couple of games like Brain Training, Nintendogs, and New Super Mario Bros. would perpetually keep sales high. Hasn't happened. Should've been better prepared.

 

[Stumpokapow]

LTTP, but holy crap, I can't believe Wii is about to hit the shitter like the PS3. Nintendo has really squandered its potential success. I guess Nintendo thought Wii was going to be like DS, where a couple of games like Brain Training, Nintendogs, and New Super Mario Bros. would perpetually keep sales high. Hasn't happened. Should've been better prepared.

yeah that's right it's all over for nintendo pack it up

 

[Mithos Yggdrasill]

LTTP, but holy crap, I can't believe Wii is about to hit the shitter like the PS3. Nintendo has really squandered its potential success. I guess Nintendo thought Wii was going to be like DS, where a couple of games like Brain Training, Nintendogs, and New Super Mario Bros. would perpetually keep sales high. Hasn't happened. Should've been better prepared.

Do you know that the DS has had 5 (FIVE !) months where it was selling between 20 and 30k and that PSP > DS, right ? Wii has had ONE single month. And in 3 weeks Mario Galaxy will be out.

 

[LM4sure]

Wii sales are low, but they will pick up. SOme big hitters are coming out soon. I expect Wii + DS to kill come holidays

 

[Gaborn]

LOL, I just noticed it's most likely that next week the Wii should officially have sold 2 million MORE consoles than the PS3 year to date. Yeah, the Wii is in HUGE trouble. :lol :lol

 

[BishopLamont]

LTTP, but holy crap, I can't believe Wii is about to hit the shitter like the PS3. Nintendo has really squandered its potential success. I guess Nintendo thought Wii was going to be like DS, where a couple of games like Brain Training, Nintendogs, and New Super Mario Bros. would perpetually keep sales high. Hasn't happened. Should've been better prepared.

Wii Sports/Wii Play alone has carried for the system for so many months now. The true Mario game has yet to appear.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Oct 30/06 - Sept 30/07 based on the Famitsu pie charts and estimated weekly total sales:
PS2 - 13,5 million
Wii - 9,2 million
PS3 - 2,1 million
Xb360 - 1,1 million

How are you estimating weekly total sales?

JoshuaJSlone, I don't suppose you could make a purely Wii/PS2 graph for me to use elsewhere? I don't have your archive of figures.

Of what sort?

The highest ones I see are:

Wild Arms: The Vth Vanguard 68,789
Bleach Blade Battlers 2 31,676
Minna no Tennis 30,663

Ahh yes. I thought there should be the tennis, but I was looking for "Everybody Loves".

Do you know that the DS has had 5 (FIVE !) months where it was selling between 20 and 30k and that PSP > DS, right ?

:lol It's like a fish story. I've seen things like this in a few threads in recent weeks, but each time DS is doing worse and worse. In early 2005 DS was behind PSP for 10 straight weeks (more than half the total number of weeks it's been behind). During that time it had seven consecutive weeks of being between 20 and 30K. Throughout the rest of 2005 it did have several more weeks in the 20Ks and plenty in the 30Ks, though.

Aside from exaggerated DS badness, though, Wii is having a much better 2007 than DS had a 2005.
Weekly
Cumulative
With the way DS exploded at the end of 2005, there's certainly room for Wii to fall behind before the year is done, but I doubt it.

 

[wazoo]

Wii Sports/Wii Play alone has carried for the system for so many months now. The true Mario game has yet to appear.

Wii fit is the real deal. 3D Mario will not impress Japan. A 2D mario on the Wii would kill the market definitely.

 

[Mithos Yggdrasill]

:lol It's like a fish story. I've seen things like this in a few threads in recent weeks, but each time DS is doing worse and worse. In early 2005 DS was behind PSP for 10 straight weeks (more than half the total number of weeks it's been behind). During that time it had seven consecutive weeks of being between 20 and 30K. Throughout the rest of 2005 it did have several more weeks in the 20Ks and plenty in the 30Ks, though.

Aside from exaggerated DS badness, though, Wii is having a much better 2007 than DS had a 2005.

I like the concept of "Fish Story". :lol Anyway I know I was not very precise. I remember that for several weeks (months) the DS was doing relativity bad in Japan, until some key games came out. Wii is doing the same thing and the cause is also the same: lack of blockbusters.

DS started to skyrocked with Jump Super Star, Nintendogs and later with Brain Training. Wii probably will do the same with Mario Galaxy, Wii Fit and later, with Super Smash Bros.

I see many affinities with the DS personally, even for what concern the shipment times.

 

[Rock_Man]

How are you estimating weekly total sales?

Media Create top 100 sales and Dengeki software sales give a good hint of the weekly Famitsu total sales. Also I have the actual Famitsu numbers for a lot of weeks and they usually prove that my estimations are close. For example I have Famitsu numbers for Nov 06 - March 07 thanks to the geimin site.

 

[Sgt. Killjoy]

wtf is wrong with the wii?

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

wtf is wrong with the wii?

irakgeneral.jpg

Nothing to see here!

Spoiler

no, I couldn't find the pic sorry

 

[Laguna]

Hardware Total:
Wii: 3.574.748
PS3: 1.210.242

Software Total:
Wii: 9.374.378
PS3: 2.164.665

Tie Ratio:
Wii: 2.62
PS3: 1.79

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[ethelred]

 

[Holy Order Sol]

LTTP, but holy crap, I can't believe Wii is about to hit the shitter like the PS3. Nintendo has really squandered its potential success. I guess Nintendo thought Wii was going to be like DS, where a couple of games like Brain Training, Nintendogs, and New Super Mario Bros. would perpetually keep sales high. Hasn't happened. Should've been better prepared.

You seem to have successfully erased Mario Galaxy/WiiFit from your memory.
Oh shit what have I done.

If anything Nintendo's timing was off by a month.

 

[zallaaa]

finally, the natural order of things has returned