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NPD Sales Results For June 2010
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Oh, I absolutely agree; Konami has two problems right now with regards to PW.
1. Japan-the data points to PW as being a failure as far as bringing new people into the franchise, despite the efforts otherwise. This does not make the sales that it has achieved bad (far from it), but they definitely had the expectation that it would be higher.
2. The West-putting it on the PSP was a immensely terrible idea and the people responsible should be publically flogged over the decision.
1. Japan-the data points to PW as being a failure as far as bringing new people into the franchise, despite the efforts otherwise. This does not make the sales that it has achieved bad (far from it), but they definitely had the expectation that it would be higher.
2. The West-putting it on the PSP was a immensely terrible idea and the people responsible should be publically flogged over the decision.
Why would you assume he meant worldwide in an NPD thread? I know there are at least 7 titles on 360 that are past 3.5 million and quite a few that are probably close and absolutely none on the PS3 except maybe the CoD titles which,by the way, sell a ton better on the other platform. God of War 3 sold extremely well its first month then plummeted in its second month and still hasn't outsold the first month of ODST( widely considered an expansion pack). We can all inflate numbers if we bring the worldwide excuse into the equation but since this an NPD thread i'll just consider those numbers.DMeisterJ said:
Glad to see Red Dead selling as good as it is. Fantastic game, and best game out of Rockstar in nearly a decade.
Definitely expected higher "360 Slim" sales. Usually the Xbox crowd buys up everything MS throws at them, and considering this unit is an upgrade all around, I expected better sales than this. It's a nice looking machine. What the 360 should have been at launch.
Definitely expected higher "360 Slim" sales. Usually the Xbox crowd buys up everything MS throws at them, and considering this unit is an upgrade all around, I expected better sales than this. It's a nice looking machine. What the 360 should have been at launch.
goldenpp72
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J-Rzez said:
Aren't these sales just a bit under what it sold in halo 3s launch?
REMEMBER CITADEL
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goldenpp72 said:
It's J-Rzez.
GarthVaderUK
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goldenpp72 said:
This is indeed the 2nd best month of sales for 360 outside of November and December (only beaten by Halo 3 launch month), and at least 100K over what was predicted by GAF and the analysts.
How do PW's legs compare to those other games? Has it had a big price drop in Japan yet? Any sign that buyers are hanging on to the game rather than reselling quickly?Chris1964 said:
Mael said:
Of course it had an effect. It's too early to say whether it is only short term effect, but there's no doubt it had an effect.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22328049&postcount=134jcm said:
If you want to see the legs download the database from the OP of a Media Create thread.
goldenpp72 said:
Perhaps, but I honestly expected a lot of people to upgrade their box to this model since it sports massive upgrades, and it's really sleek looking. It really is a nice looking machine now, packed with everything you need, and should be quieter/cooler/more reliable. Considering how rabid the xbox crowd is, I honestly expect to see number at least passing 600k this month, easily.
REMEMBER CITADEL said:
Perhaps it's too hard to grasp for some people why I expected more units to move. Still great numbers.
Good one though bro. Stick to not trying to burn someone, not your strength. /brofist
Hardware:
360 sold what I expected. I saw that the PS3 supply problem had ended before hand, but it still edged out my expectations for it. I didn't expect Wii to hold up as well as it did after May's new bundle and the 360 pricedrop. Good numbers for almost everything.
Software:
I can see Opiate's concerns about the gap widening between the top and bottom growing to an extent. I would say its just the result of a slowing market (which isn't abnormal) being offset by an exceptionally strong line-up. I just don't see it being beyond what should be expected and there isn't enough information available to make the case beyond that.
This year has been heavily stacked; we're basically comparing the releases of SMG2, RDR, SC:C, GoW3, FFXIII, BF:BC2, Pokemon SS/HG, Bioshock2, and ME2 to the releases Prototype, UFC, KZ2, RE5, Pokemon Plat, SFIV, and Halo Wars. But on the other hand, we're in the middle of a crappy economy into the 5th year of this console generation and 6th year for the handhelds with the industries best selling system coasting to a successor.
I really wish we could get as much information and analyst on unit sales as we do revenue sales... or better yet, both together so we can get some actual understanding whats effecting sales. What we get today is tailor-made to egg on fanboy wars.
From what I could gather (thanks to Nintendo for filling in most of the Top 10 and leaving only tiny ranges in what's left), June 2010 unit sales represented in the Top 10 are almost even with that of June 2009 (roughly 2.64 million to 2.66 million). Wii saw an increase of about 200k, DS was actually represented with 164k, and PS3 saw an increase of about 100k. However, hurting revenue will be the lack of the $60 EA Active and TW Motion+ bundles, lower sales of WiiFit from last year, $40 Just Dance and the $30 Toy Story 3.
Licensed games did really well this month. That's kind of weird to hear this generation. Transformers should have easily outsold last year's Revenge of the Fallen. I'm expecting at least one version of TS3 and LHP returning next month.
Tiger Woods sold its worst of all generation. It plummet was huge but it shouldn't be a concern to the rest of the industry. Last year's game nearly double previous its years' because it was helped by moving the series nearer the US Open and its synergy with the Motion+. Tiger is just too tainted to be marketable right now. EA needs to figure out how to rebrand this series, because even if he recovers his name, it'll never match what it was. Maybe Move can save some of it sales later this year, but I think it'll be too late.
360 sold what I expected. I saw that the PS3 supply problem had ended before hand, but it still edged out my expectations for it. I didn't expect Wii to hold up as well as it did after May's new bundle and the 360 pricedrop. Good numbers for almost everything.
Software:
I can see Opiate's concerns about the gap widening between the top and bottom growing to an extent. I would say its just the result of a slowing market (which isn't abnormal) being offset by an exceptionally strong line-up. I just don't see it being beyond what should be expected and there isn't enough information available to make the case beyond that.
This year has been heavily stacked; we're basically comparing the releases of SMG2, RDR, SC:C, GoW3, FFXIII, BF:BC2, Pokemon SS/HG, Bioshock2, and ME2 to the releases Prototype, UFC, KZ2, RE5, Pokemon Plat, SFIV, and Halo Wars. But on the other hand, we're in the middle of a crappy economy into the 5th year of this console generation and 6th year for the handhelds with the industries best selling system coasting to a successor.
I really wish we could get as much information and analyst on unit sales as we do revenue sales... or better yet, both together so we can get some actual understanding whats effecting sales. What we get today is tailor-made to egg on fanboy wars.
From what I could gather (thanks to Nintendo for filling in most of the Top 10 and leaving only tiny ranges in what's left), June 2010 unit sales represented in the Top 10 are almost even with that of June 2009 (roughly 2.64 million to 2.66 million). Wii saw an increase of about 200k, DS was actually represented with 164k, and PS3 saw an increase of about 100k. However, hurting revenue will be the lack of the $60 EA Active and TW Motion+ bundles, lower sales of WiiFit from last year, $40 Just Dance and the $30 Toy Story 3.
Licensed games did really well this month. That's kind of weird to hear this generation. Transformers should have easily outsold last year's Revenge of the Fallen. I'm expecting at least one version of TS3 and LHP returning next month.
Tiger Woods sold its worst of all generation. It plummet was huge but it shouldn't be a concern to the rest of the industry. Last year's game nearly double previous its years' because it was helped by moving the series nearer the US Open and its synergy with the Motion+. Tiger is just too tainted to be marketable right now. EA needs to figure out how to rebrand this series, because even if he recovers his name, it'll never match what it was. Maybe Move can save some of it sales later this year, but I think it'll be too late.
timetokill
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JJConrad said:
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BishopLamont
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I said magic!legend166 said:
JasoNsider
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soldat7 said:
Yeah, I loved MGS3. It (Subsistence) was the pinnacle of the series.
Still, after 4 I cannot stand Kojima's heavy hand any more. Surely I'll play Peace Walker some day, but even considering it gives me nightmares of Kojima's hack-job writing
It's strange - after the fourth I just felt like a switch went off in my head like "...what the hell was I thinking playing this?" It's going to take a lot to un-taint what has been done with that game
BishopLamont
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It's solid considering the market atm. Nothing to write home about though, which is pretty much the case with the PSP ever since it came out...except for MH.Frillen said:
Regarding the 3DS western third party support - it will be a wasteland.
What can Nintendo bring to the table that they don't already have this current generation? If it wasn't clear that Nintendo was going to be the dominant market leader before the generation started, it certainly has been clear long enough for major third parties to adjust development resources. This applies for the Wii and DS. And yet... they just haven't. Mark Rein is making his third Gears of War - where's the big Nintendo FPS? The Conduit 2? Red Steel 2? Give me a break. And what about on handhelds? Third parties can't even make the excuse they didn't see it coming - Nintendo has always been the king of that space. So from a sales perspective, Nintendo won't get any new development resources - third parties literally aren't that interested in developing for the market leader. Look at EA - they're releasing a version of NCAA for the PS2 - the PS2! and not the Wii. And they're still making a babyz partyz Madden, even after Tiger Woods show if you make a realistic, solid golf simulator, people will buy that game. It's a joke. So we can discount the impact of sales.
Moneyhats - Nintendo doesn't believe in them. Partnering with Western Developers, despite some incredible successes(Metroid Prime), has been really limited. Nothing coming from that alley.
So for the 3DS, that leaves... 3D. I am sure it will look amazing. Developers will talk about how cool it is. Then they'll continue trying to make games for the latest, most powerful home console. I don't know what it will take for American developers to take handhelds seriously. Maybe when a few more go bankrupt, they'll change their tune. Until then, good luck Nintendo.
What can Nintendo bring to the table that they don't already have this current generation? If it wasn't clear that Nintendo was going to be the dominant market leader before the generation started, it certainly has been clear long enough for major third parties to adjust development resources. This applies for the Wii and DS. And yet... they just haven't. Mark Rein is making his third Gears of War - where's the big Nintendo FPS? The Conduit 2? Red Steel 2? Give me a break. And what about on handhelds? Third parties can't even make the excuse they didn't see it coming - Nintendo has always been the king of that space. So from a sales perspective, Nintendo won't get any new development resources - third parties literally aren't that interested in developing for the market leader. Look at EA - they're releasing a version of NCAA for the PS2 - the PS2! and not the Wii. And they're still making a babyz partyz Madden, even after Tiger Woods show if you make a realistic, solid golf simulator, people will buy that game. It's a joke. So we can discount the impact of sales.
Moneyhats - Nintendo doesn't believe in them. Partnering with Western Developers, despite some incredible successes(Metroid Prime), has been really limited. Nothing coming from that alley.
So for the 3DS, that leaves... 3D. I am sure it will look amazing. Developers will talk about how cool it is. Then they'll continue trying to make games for the latest, most powerful home console. I don't know what it will take for American developers to take handhelds seriously. Maybe when a few more go bankrupt, they'll change their tune. Until then, good luck Nintendo.
SapientWolf
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What are you basing this on? A lot of big franchises are getting a 3DS game right out the gate.Pociask said:
BishopLamont
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"Metal Gear Sorid"AniHawk said:
"Woo"
"Saints row"
"laughs"
AniHawk said:
yeah. I made a thread about western support (or the lack thereof) and everyone on here went bananas.
it's early days but it's still very poor compared to the amazing support promised by japanese publishers.
I have a little hope for ubisoft and thq though. thq published some really cool stuff for the orignal ds like age of empire and viva pinata. ubisoft have promised some big names too, the problem is though that they're just names (see the psp version of assasins creed).
The PSP performance makes me sad, because I really like the system. I've always liked it better than the DS (although my DS is currently seeing more play because of DQ IX).
Piracy obviously hurt the PSP, but I think it has a bit of a bad rap too. I still see people echoing the idea that there's nothing on the system to play, which is too bad really.
Damn. If only my enjoyment of something wasn't contingent upon the opinions of strangers on the internet.
Piracy obviously hurt the PSP, but I think it has a bit of a bad rap too. I still see people echoing the idea that there's nothing on the system to play, which is too bad really.
Damn. If only my enjoyment of something wasn't contingent upon the opinions of strangers on the internet.
Segata Sanshiro
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It already hit the bomba bins a couple of weeks ago, so um, I think it's kinda done.jcm said:
BishopLamont
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The PSP for the most part lacks the big hitters, either first party or third party, so the statement that "it has no games" rings true for the general masses, but has plenty for traditional players. Its pretty much the opposite to the Wii where it has alot of heavy hitters but lacks in the traditional department.Emonk said:
The huge difference is that the Wii has stuff that can't be found anywhere else while the PSP games for the most part can be found everywhere.
PSP has some excellent, underrated games. it also has some very poor, overrated ones
one of the biggest problems was the attempt to shoehorn consoley games or second rate spinoffs of of console games onto the psp. see portable ops and its terrible controls scheme, or the second rate gta spinoffs, or gran turismo, or all the fighting and sports games you wouldn't want to play on your own
one of the biggest problems was the attempt to shoehorn consoley games or second rate spinoffs of of console games onto the psp. see portable ops and its terrible controls scheme, or the second rate gta spinoffs, or gran turismo, or all the fighting and sports games you wouldn't want to play on your own
Aaron Strife
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The brunt of Japanese third-party support goes to handhelds. I think 3DS will be fine.Pociask said:
Your thread deserved all the responses it got because it was stupid.Sipowicz said:
Also your last line is stupid too... of course they are just names, but they are names from big franchises. You know what that means?...Support, which is more than what the first DS got on launch...
You guys should stop worrying your asses off and let everything just happen when they need to...
Pociask said:
Are you fucking serious? The vast majority of third-party support in the handheld market has been behind the DS for the entire past generation. It looks nothing like the console market at all. With the PSP brand name beaten to shit in the past few years there won't even be anyone else to support handheld-wise when the 3DS hits retail. I guarantee you they're going to have everyone's backing, mostly because there's basically nobody else to back.
AdventureRacing
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J-Rzez said:
The slim was only out for 2 weeks and as far as i know it has mostly been sold out. I think we will have to wait for the next few months to see what impact it has made.
Beer Monkey
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J-Rzez said:
In Cincinnati, the slim was hitting the Gamestop stores on June 18, so it was only really available the last two weeks of the five week NPD period. Every shipment sold out the day it arrived during those two weeks. The threads at CAG and here indicate that these sellouts were not isolated to Cincinnati and seemed to be the norm. Gamestop even went so far as to start requiring that you buy a bundle with extra controller and transfer cable so you had to spend $370 instead of $300. Gamestop.com is STILL only selling new systems in this bundle and not bare. If more systems had been shipped to stores during the June NPD, more systems would have been sold.
swanlee597
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J-Rzez said:
Well the slim launched in the middle of the month so it only had a few weeks, how can anyone be disappointed in it's sales when it beat the WII a had one of it's best non holiday months?
Dr Frasier Crane
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More analysis from the edge website:
http://www.next-gen.biz/news/ea-suffered-weak-sales-in-may-june-analyst
Few points of interest.
Mock if delusional.
http://www.next-gen.biz/news/ea-suffered-weak-sales-in-may-june-analyst
Few points of interest.
- If the fact that Tiger Woods is a dirtbag really stops people buying the games I despair.
- With Green Day Rock Band bombing (a bit) hopefully we'll stop seeing bloody band specific versions and the day that RB/GT is moved to a download application with pick and mix DLC tracks the better.
- Skateboarding is sooo 1999.
Mock if delusional.
Cosmonaut X
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Mario said:
I hope you are right. My argument was based on past practices - sales and Western development studios being typically uninterested in new forms of gameplay(they are just now being dragged kicking and screaming to motion control, and stylus gameplay is still largely ignored).
I don't want to reargue those points, because they stand on their own. But I do want to add that it's not like this is some kind of personal dislike of the 3DS. I'm a Wii/DS gamer - I'll be getting the 3DS day one. If publishers are rushing to sign up 3DS projects, awesome. I just hope it's not Ubisoft Petz3d, Imagine 3d babies, etc. etc. etc.
Neo C. said:
Bigger exklusive content takes time to develop - we ware talkin about the launch lineup so its understandable that they include many multiplattform games - and still it already looks way better than the first years of ds western lineup...