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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Dreamfixx said:
How did it compare to the results last time?

Given that they are averaging poll data, and some states have one poll saying Bush by 5 and another poll saying Kerry by 5 its pretty much meaningless at this point.. not to mention only 20 percent of people contacted by polling groups are responding.

the real numbers to pay attention to are the total number of people voting.. if it gets over 112 million people, Kerry wins. If its under 108 million Bush wins, somewhere in the middle and who knows what will happen.

My guess? 118 million will show up and Kerry will take it. Thats as much wishfull thinking as anything else though.
 

jobber

Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
teiresias said:
+1 Kerry, Virginia

waited for 1.5 hours, which my dad tells me is very long for this polling place (I've only voted in an off-year election since changing where I'm registered, so this is my first time doing it at this particular location for a presidential race so I have no first-hand experience myself).


hour and 1/2?? good god.... I can't make it to my place til 6pm -_-
 

Pimpwerx

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Well, I'm gonna go queue up right after work. Lines have been long since early voting started. I think all of FL is voting this time, which probably means more idiots making more mistakes, but whatever. I'm voting for Nader though, so....

+1 Nader in Miami. :) PEACE.
 

Pimpwerx

Member
Raoul Duke said:
I have to say that ultimately, I agree with xexex. In the ultimate "big picture", it's not going to matter if either side of the corporate run duopoly wins. If terrorists want to attack us, they will find a way. Neither George W. Bush nor John Kerry are going to magically wave a wand to make everything all better(Ralph Nader wouldn't either, just so some of you don't think I've finally seperated from reality). If Bush or Kerry wins, the fundamental inequalities in our nation's socio-economic class structure will continue to widen; the rich will just get richer and the poor poorer, while the middle class gradually shrinks into the poor.

Mindlessly siding with one side and/or compromising core principles just so you can side with a "winner" is destroying this country. Having essentially only two choices that aren't all that different from each other is a product from concentrating wealth and power in the hands of the few. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis said, "We can have a Democratic society or we can have great concentrated wealth in the hands of a few. We cannot have both." Justice Brandeis said this in the 1930's, warning of the destructive powers that huge corporations could have on our country. Gee, I wonder if he was right?

I won't go into the disgusting nature of the Corporate ownership of what should be our civically controlled Government on the Federal and local levels. That's not just a thread unto itself, it is countless books, documentaries and magazine articles unto itself. I am not a Communist, Socialist or some insane Luddite. I believe in a capitalistic society, but that capitalism must be regulated, and it must bow to the wishes and demands of the people represented by their duly elected officials. We do not have such a reality in this country today, and that is disturbing and saddening.

I am pleased to see the enthusiasm with which many of you are preparing to engage in the most basic interactive facet of our representative democracy, voting. However, whatever your opinion and beliefs, and whether your "side" wins or loses(or loses but wins, heh), please, for the sake of our country, don't stop there. Direct civic involvement with our governing process is the only thing that is going to redeem our society. Don't just vote. Write a letter to your elected representatives, whether they be national or local, when they have to make a decision on an issue that concerns you or that you care deeply about. If you don't think that will do the trick, make a phone call. If that doesn't work, try to arrange a face to face meeting at their offices. If your elected officials refuse to represent your interests, then perhaps you should protest outside of their offices.

Five of my friends were arrested for attempting to have their "Democratic" Senator, Zell Miller, answer questions on why he has been voting the way that he has and behaving the way that he has in the past few years. They don't feel that he represents Democratic Party ideals for them in the United States Senate. They have been going to his offices for over a year to attempt to speak with him, and have been denied access. Finally, they were arrested and jailed for trespassing. Such flagrant disregard by an elected official for his constituency is appalling, whether he agrees with them or not. If, like my aqcuaintances, you don't think your elected officials will hear you, form a PAC or civic activist group and start making your case to other voters and the media. Infiltrate your local party and raise your concerns, and if they won't hear you, take enough of your friends until you are the majority and take over. Run for office. Shit, somebody has to do this horrible work. It might as well be us.

Get informed. Get involved. Stay that way. Or else P. Diddy will shoot you.
Damn straight. Couldn't have said it better myself. Special interests and corporate lobbies make policy and run this country. I'm voting Nader. If no one ever votes for a third party, we'll never have one. If it's helping Bush, then so be it. PEACE.
 

xsarien

daedsiluap
Voting for Kerry in New York is about as useful as voting for Dubya in Texas, but pushing that lever down this morning was pretty damned cathartic.
 
xsarien said:
Voting for Kerry in New York is about as useful as voting for Dubya in Texas, but pushing that lever down this morning was pretty damned cathartic.

Where did you vote? My girlfriend went to vote at 6AM and it took her an hour, lines out the door. I'm going after work.
 

sprsk

force push the doodoo rock
I dont care if kerry loses tennessee, damnt i said something important today when i pressed that button and voted for john kerry.
 
xsarien said:
Voting for Kerry in New York is about as useful as voting for Dubya in Texas, but pushing that lever down this morning was pretty damned cathartic.

Hey, I voted for Kerry in Texas, and it still felt cathartic.
 

Prospero

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Koshiro said:
Please god...

That site's been updated--he's now calling it Kerry 262, Bush 261, with the rest of the electoral votes inconclusive.

Zogby is calling it Bush 247, Kerry 264, with Florida a tie.

In short, polls are worthless for a few more hours yet. I have a pit in my stomach.
 
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Cool

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Azrael said:
+1 Kerry, PA


Yeah, I have no qualms whatsoever about Kerry in PA. Drove down to Lancaster this weekend all I saw was Kerry signs everywhere on the whole trip. Kerry definitley has more support (obvious by the amount of Kerry signs and I see and I rarely saw any Gore signs in 2000) than Gore/Lieberman in 2000 in PA and Gore/Lieberman still managed a PA win in 2000. Therefore, I have no doubts for Kerry in Pennsylvania atleast.
 
Prospero said:
That site's been updated--he's now calling it Kerry 262, Bush 261, with the rest of the electoral votes inconclusive.

Zogby is calling it Bush 247, Kerry 264, with Florida a tie.
That's what the current polls on the main page say, but that's not how he's calling it. That would be the predicted outcome page, which does things like tip the undecideds to the challenger 2:1.
 
Seattle doesn't have any exciting measures this time around... well, maybe the Monorail recall. Too bad I'm now in Renton.

+1 Kerry, Gregoire, Patty "I <3 Osama" Murray (bleeding heart here)
+1 Reed (So I can claim to be all hardcore, voting a split-ticket... when I'm really just following local paper reccomendations)
-1 Anything put up by Tim Eyman; why do people still listen to this embezlling asshole?
-1 Monorail recall (in spirit)
 

Phoenix

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This election is a toss-up. There are over 100 electoral votes that are literally up in the air. It can't be guess at this point - I think everyone will be surprised at how this one turns out.
 
Turnout sounds really incredible. I sort of regret being an absentee voter... you kind of want to get to a polling place on a day like this.

I think Kerry is going to roll. That's my official prediction, which I came up with late last night while I was playing lots of grand theft auto and drinking lots of coffee.
 

KingGondo

Banned
Goreomedy said:
We voted the same.

:)

Dude, I'm not gay. :D

Just playing, Goreomedy--good to have at least a few other sane Okies around!

BTW, saw this quote on Drudgereport--

"Every election's important ... but my very survival is an issue, and that never was," said Margie Miller, 55, of Baldwin, N.Y., whose husband, Joel, died at his 97th-floor desk at the World Trade Center in the Sept. 11 attacks. "All I care about is safety, safety, safety."

which brings to mind:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."--Ben Franklin

Hope people remember that.
 

Triumph

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-jinx- said:
Hey dipshit -- I called you out in another thread for trolling, and you've made 4-5 posts SINCE then without responding. I strongly suggest that you answer Raoul's question...ASAP.
He won't. He's got no leg to stand on and never does, even if he "answers" my question he'll do it talking head style, responding but dodging.

As for you laughing at my assertion that our Government is in fact a corporate run duopoly, I'd like to see you prove otherwise. Could you explain why 90% of the population wants genetically enhanced or altered foods to be labeled as such, but we don't have such regulations in place? Could explain why, despite the fact that malpractice and civil payments amount to 1% of health care companies' expenditures, they demand tort reform and are likely to get it? Could you explain why, since Bush was selected, a vast majority of his appointments to the Government agencies that oversee these corporations have been from former lobbyists and officers of the same industries that they are now supposed to regulate and police? Does this strike you as a conflict of interest? Why is it that street crime, which carries a not-insignificant price tag of around 18 billion annually, is given so much more emphasis than corporate crime, when estimates at corporate malfeasance are in the 3 trillion range each year? Why do our elected officials, who are supposed to represent ALL of the people in their districts and states, ignore the best interest of the people for these faceless entities? I'm interested in your response, Makura.

Oh, and +1 Nader in Georgia.
 
Chesapeake Silt said:
I think Kerry is going to roll. That's my official prediction, which I came up with late last night while I was playing lots of grand theft auto and drinking lots of coffee.
With the huge number of new Democrat registrantations and the enormous turnout, it seems like a lock to me. Plus, your methods are the same ones employed by Zogby.

I heard on the radio that most Democrats are pretty pessimistic about the election, though... in addition to almost every Republican voter thinking Bush would take it, a good portion of the Democrats also thought Bush would win. After 2000, I can't blame them.
 
I have a question for Wisconsinites...

I'm from California, and just recently moved here, and I was baffled by the absence of propositions on the ballot. Not to mention there was a total of, like, five offices to vote for - most of which didn't provide a challenger to the Democrat.

The California ballot looked friggin' enormous next to my paltry Wisconsin one. Is this because I voted early? Is it simply because of my district? Color me perplexed.



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Cyan

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N Coward Parody said:
I have a question for Wisconsinites...

I'm from California, and just recently moved here, and I was baffled by the absence of propositions on the ballot. Not to mention there was a total of, like, five offices to vote for - most of which didn't provide a challenger to the Democrat.

The California ballot looked friggin' enormous next to my paltry Wisconsin one. Is this because I voted early? Is it simply because of my district? Color me perplexed.



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They may simply not have the same system California does. It wasn't all that long ago that the proposition-referendum-recall system was implemented in CA... and since then, things have been going downhill. Coincidence?

I think there are too many dumb, uninformed people out there for the proposition system to be a good idea. Children's hospitals? Wonderful. But how about we don't spend $250 million that we don't have.
 
I voted in Wisconsin so maybe I can help. It really depends on your district. I voted with an absentee ballot in a smaller district and the ballot was quite bare. Sometimes in smaller districts there isn't anyone else running for a position, and usually there aren't many propositions to vote on. I think in my district all three of our propositions had to do with eliminating the current budget limits on the school district.

If you were voting in Madison or Milwaukee, I'm sure there would be more issues/candidates/what have you. Although I live in Milwaukee, I'm registered elsewhere and haven't seen a Milwaukee ballot to compare it to. :(

Oh, and +1 Kerry/Edwards :D
 
They may simply not have the same system California does. It wasn't all that long ago that the proposition-referendum-recall system was implemented in CA... and since then, things have been going downhill. Coincidence?

I think there are too many dumb, uninformed people out there for the proposition system to be a good idea. Children's hospitals? Wonderful. But how about we don't spend $250 million that we don't have.

Yeah, I'm sure you're right. But I still don't get why there were so few offices to vote for, and why only a couple had more than one party running for it. Where the hell were the Greens? The Libertarians? Hell, there were maybe three Republican options on the ballot (including president).

Just bizarre, but different strokes for different folks...



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mrmyth

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+2 Kerry in Illinois. Shut yer yap, the second vote is my fiance'.


My fiance' witnessed an almost incident - one of the old white pollworkers was trying to manuever around behind one of the tables and tripped. She ended up falling safely into a chair, but as she fell she panicked and grabbed at the table for support. She ended up snatching the ballot counter box just out of the reach of an old black lady as she was trying to insert her ballot. The black lady didn't see her falling, so to her it looked like her right to vote was being interfered with. My fiance' had to explain it all before there was blood and Geritol all over the floor. I was outside the room, having already voted, but I think if it was me I would've let the old bats fight it out just for the show.
 
If you were voting in Madison or Milwaukee, I'm sure there would be more issues/candidates/what have you. Although I live in Milwaukee, I'm registered elsewhere and haven't seen a Milwaukee ballot to compare it to. :(

Haha, I did vote in Milwaukee. It was less impressive than a HOW DID WE, LIKE, TOTALLY DO? comment card at TGI Friday's...



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