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TheGrayGhost said:
Good post and I hope the Obama camp makes these points clear in debates. But who knows, anything could happen.
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PoliGAF General Election Thread of Conventions (Sarah Palin McCain VP Pick)
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Good post and I hope the Obama camp makes these points clear in debates. But who knows, anything could happen.
Chiggs
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TheGrayGhost said:
I think you're going to be in for a little surprise. Not that Obama won't win, but if you think this election is going to be easy sailing, you're going to soon find out that not everyone in this country shares the same opinion as you and your peers on campus, be it high school or (especially) college. Worse yet, the opposition tends to be quite organized, especially when it comes voting. Must be all that brainwashing.
McCain is very much in this race.
Actually having an Alaskan friend, I got her take on this:
I don't know about Palin as VP. I trust her as a leader for Alaska but I don't know if she is ready for VP. 4 years ago she was mayor of a town smaller than College Station. We will see.
I've tried to read up on all the analysis from the Big 3 News sites, and the image I've come away with matches with Bill Simmon's (ESPN) idea of a "VP of Common Sense". Someone with a no-nonsense approach that would be more than willing to speak up and ask "Are you sure about that?" Think about what might be different today if the Oval Office had someone like that a few years back.
I don't know about Palin as VP. I trust her as a leader for Alaska but I don't know if she is ready for VP. 4 years ago she was mayor of a town smaller than College Station. We will see.
I've tried to read up on all the analysis from the Big 3 News sites, and the image I've come away with matches with Bill Simmon's (ESPN) idea of a "VP of Common Sense". Someone with a no-nonsense approach that would be more than willing to speak up and ask "Are you sure about that?" Think about what might be different today if the Oval Office had someone like that a few years back.
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speculawyer said:
amen
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Nonsense. Those tardcarts would absolutely fall in line and vote for McCain. Anyone who believes otherwise is higher than the people in charge of vetting Palin.laserbeam said:
The reality is that younger evangelicals don't see things in such a black and white way anymore-- social justice, the environment, and global warming are becoming just as big for evangelicals are abortion rights-- so I think that Dobson's yelpings won't hold up anyway.
Not saying the evangelicals won't run out 90/10 in favor of McCain, but he was going to vote McCain anyway.
I'm still looking for the real IMPACT of the Palin move. So far I see that McCain stole a big news day from Obama and he also is making a hard push for crazy people.
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Krowley said:
I guess we'll have to see. I was a big Hillary supporter. Always have been dating back to the Clintons. And I get that Clintons have southern appeal which is something a lot of Democrats don't have but I just don't buy into this notion that was created over the primary of Hillary Clinton as the voice of the salt of the earth downtrodden rural poor. I understand the demographic breakdown but I have to assume a lot of these people were voting for something beyond just Hillary Clinton the name. Palin's politics are so diametrically opposed to Clinton's that I have a hard time seeing a reasonable mass making that leap.
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pxleyes said:
For all we know, McCain's advisors could have been recommending Pawlenty and Romney, and John the Maverick went with Palin instead. McCain choosing a woman was the pick I feared the most, though Palin is less the stuff of nightmares than sweet erotic dreams.pxleyes said:
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TDG said:
hahahahahahaha...
ag-my001 said:
That shows a fairly powerful misunderstanding of the VP's role. The VP is not an advisory role to the President historically. For most of the country's history, the VP wasn't even in the West Wing. Until Roosevelt, they weren't even allowed in cabinet meetings, and considering his relationship to Garner, that turned out not to be such a great idea..
The role of VP is almost completely determined by the President's desire to have their input. Considering McCain barely knows the woman, it doesn't suggest heavily that he's looking for him to advise her.
Chiggs
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Y2Kev said:
Living in Colorado Springs, or as Ted Haggard put it, "the new Jerusalem," I can assure you that a lot of the conservatives in this town are not thrilled with John McCain. At all. They are also pretty peeved at Karl Rove for essentially using and abusing them, so don't be surprised if a good deal of Christians just sit this one out until Jesus Christ annoints Mike Huckabee as their leader.
I'm completely serious.
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DancingJesus said:
You should know that elections tend to do this. People usually vote with their emotions over logic. This is why Bush got away with murder for so long. A single issue like gay marriage took Bush over the top in '04, and in '00 he was "the cool guy to have a beer with." Obama has the 'first black president' issue and it will help him in ways it couldn't help Kerry. It also helps that Obama has an actual personality. McCain picked Palin to tap into the 'scorned women' vote, and will push the sexism issue that plagued the primary season. Hillary women will feel conflicted, and young males will fight the urge to fap their vote.
This is why our government has been fucked up for so long and will now always be that way thanks to corporate media being in control of the narrative.
besada said:
She lacks everything for V.P.
Just cause she's female doesnt mean females will vote for her & America has shown it takes more than a race or gender to get approval.
She is kinda corrupt in that she abused her position in power already in less than 2yrs.
Her being Pro-life & NRA really defeates her purpose of pulling in disgruntled Clinton supporters.
McCain could have picked someone 100x better, but this is a desperation move to change their stance from "Experience" to " Reform"
edit: beaten by Dancingjesus
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adamsappel said:
Well if it did happen like that, it is likely he changed his mind on Sunday. It seems that he was pretty confident in choosing Lieberman (according to reports) but was talked out of it. He ordered Palin flown in and spent 2 hours talking to her and then made his decision.
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...random question, and I apologize if it's been asked already.
What do you think women think about this pick? This pick was clearly made just to get a woman on the ticket, and she was deemed the most interesting female to put on the ticket.
Isn't putting Sarah Palin on the ticket pretty much a cheap shot at women? McCain's using women to build himself up. Without Palin, McCain is viewed as this stale old guy. Now he's "a total maverick" because he picked this woman out of nowhere.
How happy can you be as a woman that a major political figure is essentially using gender to build himself up?
Do not be foolish enough to compare Barack's race to Palin's gender. Barack created his own campaign. He ran and was voted into the position he currently has. Palin and McCain had only met her once or twice previous to this selection. This selection was clearly made not because McCain thought he could trust her. This selection was made to shake-up the voters, and use gender to sway voters on no issues, no political affiliation.
Do not be foolish enough to compare Hillary's candidacy to Palin's appointment. Hillary also ran her own campaign and worked to build her own supporters.
This pick shows a clear difference between the line of thinking between the Democratic candidate and the Republican one. When asked "What was the criteria for your VP selection", Barack stated that the ability and readiness for that pick to be president was at the top of his list. His VP must be ready to be president. Now look at McCain. This pick was not made based on the criteria of "Ready to be President". So what is the criteria that Palin satisfies that McCain thought he needed? Shake-up factor. She throws a wrench into the system, and give hope to his campaign.
I'm not knocking McCain for making this decision. He did what he had to in order to stay competitive, and it's a good decision for him. I just think that it shows that McCain thinks he can just use women to accomplish what he could not.
I'd be outraged, but that's from my Democratic leaning opinion.
What do you think women think about this pick? This pick was clearly made just to get a woman on the ticket, and she was deemed the most interesting female to put on the ticket.
Isn't putting Sarah Palin on the ticket pretty much a cheap shot at women? McCain's using women to build himself up. Without Palin, McCain is viewed as this stale old guy. Now he's "a total maverick" because he picked this woman out of nowhere.
How happy can you be as a woman that a major political figure is essentially using gender to build himself up?
Do not be foolish enough to compare Barack's race to Palin's gender. Barack created his own campaign. He ran and was voted into the position he currently has. Palin and McCain had only met her once or twice previous to this selection. This selection was clearly made not because McCain thought he could trust her. This selection was made to shake-up the voters, and use gender to sway voters on no issues, no political affiliation.
Do not be foolish enough to compare Hillary's candidacy to Palin's appointment. Hillary also ran her own campaign and worked to build her own supporters.
This pick shows a clear difference between the line of thinking between the Democratic candidate and the Republican one. When asked "What was the criteria for your VP selection", Barack stated that the ability and readiness for that pick to be president was at the top of his list. His VP must be ready to be president. Now look at McCain. This pick was not made based on the criteria of "Ready to be President". So what is the criteria that Palin satisfies that McCain thought he needed? Shake-up factor. She throws a wrench into the system, and give hope to his campaign.
I'm not knocking McCain for making this decision. He did what he had to in order to stay competitive, and it's a good decision for him. I just think that it shows that McCain thinks he can just use women to accomplish what he could not.
I'd be outraged, but that's from my Democratic leaning opinion.
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Oh man, she just said that?Tamanon said:
*starts looking for Palin porn*
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Tamanon said:
Wow, this is as desperate as it gets. Fucking amazing.
I'm sure people are pissed off, but I'd really be willing to be they'd come around in November.Chiggs said:
Branduil said:
I agree. I don't know if he'd be a lock to lose (maybe after Obama's speech last night...), but he'd basically be trailing all the way to November. Now he's got some spotlight.
GoutPatrol
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Illuminati said:
Oh please.
Tayshaun is ugly. Barack is hotness.
Isn't Obama leading among Christians?
I read an article on huffington post some where.
EDIT: found it:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/13/poll-obama-leads-among-ch_n_118619.html
I read an article on huffington post some where.
EDIT: found it:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/13/poll-obama-leads-among-ch_n_118619.html
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Branduil said:
Some of us don't think it was a bad choice politically at least which is separate from an actual governing appraisal. I think the consensus is though that it isn't the game changer that some Republicans want/think it to be. Give it a week and half and see if people are still talking about Palin and then you know if it was a game changer. It's impossible to really say anything more at this stage.
Riddler said:
Who? Every major possible pick had a strong negative component, other than Pawlenty. Palin's only real negative to the Republican base is the potential corruption issue, which is largely seen by conservatives as a partisan attack on Palin, and which hasn't actually turned up any evidence against her.
Unlike McCain, she's a darling of the religious right. She's so pro-life that she had a child she knew would be born with Downe's syndrome. You don't get much more tied to the ideology than that.
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RubxQub said:
Wife just came home. First reaction: "He's panicking".
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TDG said:
his argument may be valid, but he is still spewing lies. he said obama became a senator in 2006. this isnt the first time that he has been called out on complete fabrications.
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pxleyes said:
What the hell did she say?
wow, wikipedia has everything. A complete listing of Obama's ancestry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama
Yep. I was an Obama supporter al throughout the primaries, and I probably had the most embarrassingly overjoyed posts of anyone here during Obama's speech in Minnesota when he became the preumptive nominee.reilo said:
I just try to think things out and be fair, and in the end I get a bit of hate from everyone. The few conservatives (and some Obama people) get pissed at me from time to time, like yesterday when I said that it was "idiotic" to think that McCain's congratulatory ad was just a nice gesture, and when I go against the flow, like when I said I thought that Obama would have voted for the war had he been in the senate at the time, the Obama fans get mad at me and think I'm conservative. Oh well.
reilo said:
The media may not know who she is, but the religious right do. There's been a campaign to draft her for VP going on since before the primaries finished. When she had her fifth child, there was a flurry of articles and blogs about how strongly she held to pro-life principles.
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reilo said:
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UltimaKilo said:
Palin and McCain have only met once or twice.
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besada said:
Agree 100% with this post. A lot of people just can't seem to get past the fact that this country is religious, and the issue of abortion will supercede stuff like foreign policy, experience, etc, etc.
Once you get past that, it's easy to see why this choice made sense. Abortion is the single most divisive issue in this country. But on this forum, most people think abortion is fine and dandy, so that when the issue comes up they're stumped as to why it's even an issue. This is what happens when you surround yourself with people that share similar viewpoints. Lack of perspective.
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Has Obama released a ad yet to counter this announcement?
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Ponn01 said:
thats a good fucken point. obama better make a commercial with this shit!
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