It also means that there's absolutely no hope that anything meaningful will be made with the camera. Sony might as well just get rid of it altogether.
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Sony Sacrificed the PlayStation 4 Camera to Beat Microsoft on Price
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It also means that there's absolutely no hope that anything meaningful will be made with the camera. Sony might as well just get rid of it altogether.
QuicheFontaine
Member
"But the advantage came at a cost: the PlayStation 4 camera." Did anyone want it in the first place? I'd much rather have that money in my pocket.
SolsticeZero
Banned
I was wondering that, too.
theechrisfox
Member
How does $99 added onto the launch price equal a $59 add on though...?
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Thank you, Sony. I don't want to pay for Kinect, and I don't want to pay for the PS4 Camera.
GameSeeker
Member
Smart move on Sony's part. $60 is not too bad a price for an add-on accessory. If, and I repeat, IF Sony and 3rd parties can showcase compelling content for the PS4 camera, then it will sell in reasonable volumes. Sony could also bundle the camera with the PS4 a few years down the road, when PS4 costs have come down (much like Microsoft did with Kinect bundles).
pslayer666
Member
I mean even Bioshock Infinite has move controls. Seems weird to me, but there you go.
This is all true and good work by ign here to get behind all of it.
When you relegate something as an accessory, you relegate it to death. Uselessness. So while us hardcore gamers win, because we don't care, all practical uses of a built in camera are dead along with this. Everyone wins on price obviously, but Sony's already taking a bath on hardware. They could've easily increased that bath by 30 or 40 bucks to get their camera off the ground.
Keep in mind that I'm not looking at this from a gamers perspective when I say all that. Just a mass market perspective. They Are still priced out of the mass market and will be for a long time. They basically "move"'d this.
When you relegate something as an accessory, you relegate it to death. Uselessness. So while us hardcore gamers win, because we don't care, all practical uses of a built in camera are dead along with this. Everyone wins on price obviously, but Sony's already taking a bath on hardware. They could've easily increased that bath by 30 or 40 bucks to get their camera off the ground.
Keep in mind that I'm not looking at this from a gamers perspective when I say all that. Just a mass market perspective. They Are still priced out of the mass market and will be for a long time. They basically "move"'d this.
This is exactly what should happen. If there is a piece of software that interests me I'll pick it up. If it's bundled, even better for me.
Seems fairly obvious that this was what transpired.
I can't say that I am glad for this as who knows what the combination of the controller LEDs and Eye could have accomplished if they had been consistent across the platform.
What did we lose? We don't know and perhaps it was nothing of value. What did we gain? $100 (speculated in article) price cut - something tangible.
I can't say that I am glad for this as who knows what the combination of the controller LEDs and Eye could have accomplished if they had been consistent across the platform.
What did we lose? We don't know and perhaps it was nothing of value. What did we gain? $100 (speculated in article) price cut - something tangible.
ComputerMKII
Banned
This. Also, the game should be a killer-app that utilizes the camera in useful, innovative ways.
Basically, just make a Metal Gear Solid V + Camera bundle.
IHaveCandy
Banned
I'd like a $500 camera + 1 TB HDD option.
xKilltheMx
Member
Yeahup, I'm a hardcore gamer too but dammit I want support for move and the cool things you can do with the new ds4. Now that stuff is almost guaranteed to never happen.
Why? There are people who probably want to get it for dance or fitness games...
Options are a good thing!
koji kabuto
Member
GOOD, Hope MS copy them asap.
Because the slant is that the PlayStation Eye is in a rough position.
Nowhere Man
Member
Just as well, if it were bundled I'd be concerned about regular games getting superfluous camera functions added like Sixaxis motion in early PS3 games.
omgvinniejones
Neo Member
Thank God, this era of gimmicky BS which is a blatent PR for "hey your traditional style to enjoy your games is obsolete, you need THIS now !". Well FU, I want to play games with my ass on my couch, with a f'in controller. I love my controller. I want to be burried with it.
But no one wants the shitty camera.
mangochutney
Member
They had it in a video prior to E3 in black and white stating it was a separate accessory. Not sure how that is 'quiet' or not letting MS know.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
I'm not sure how offering an optional add-on to the consumer as an optional add-on is a bad thing.
The Elite
BOSS
So the $59.99 camera would have added an extra $100 to the total cost of the system?
There is no way they could have stacked up the camera against the technically superior Kinect at the same price. Wise decision by Sony.
You can buy it for $59.99 instead of an extra $100 packed in.
There is no way they could have stacked up the camera against the technically superior Kinect at the same price. Wise decision by Sony.
You can buy it for $59.99 instead of an extra $100 packed in.
Mass Effect
Member
While that would be totally fine with me, I believe that it's required that either devs have camera support or Vita cross-play support, so maybe we'll get something.
Like I said though, I, and probably most on GAF, don't care if the camera doesn't get support.
Well, seeing as the camera is retailing at 60usd, it probably only costs 20-30usd to manufacture. So that doesn't account for the entire hundred dollar difference. I suspect poor yields are likely a larger factor.
Thing is, if the Kinect becomes a big thing, and most multi-plats on the X1 take advantage of it, Sony can still keep that gameplay intact for the PS4 version, so long as its optional. Heck, if its gameplay using voice commands, they don't even need the Eye attachment, the Mic in the bundled headset should work in a pinch.
If, multi-plats don't take advantage, and the Kinect remains the sideshow it has been for the past several years, than Sony can continue to safely ignore it.
Either way, they're fine. Microsoft can take the risk now, and if it pays off Sony can bundle it later, after PS4 manufacturing costs start to decline.
Thing is, if the Kinect becomes a big thing, and most multi-plats on the X1 take advantage of it, Sony can still keep that gameplay intact for the PS4 version, so long as its optional. Heck, if its gameplay using voice commands, they don't even need the Eye attachment, the Mic in the bundled headset should work in a pinch.
If, multi-plats don't take advantage, and the Kinect remains the sideshow it has been for the past several years, than Sony can continue to safely ignore it.
Either way, they're fine. Microsoft can take the risk now, and if it pays off Sony can bundle it later, after PS4 manufacturing costs start to decline.
Push the price to $499 instead of $459 to help profit margin.
Goldenroad
Member
I guess that's why they didn't mention Move once during their E3 presentation. I guess that's dead in the water. No one's going to develop games for a platform if everyone that owns that platform is not going to be able to play those games.
I personally don't care, but I think Sony is just saying that they can live without the Just Dance/Zumba Fitness consumers, whereas Microsoft is kind of doubling down on that group. I don't know who's going to be wrong or right, but I could never have predicted that the Wii would have taken off like it did this gen because of that crowd.
It's going to be a very interesting 2014.
I personally don't care, but I think Sony is just saying that they can live without the Just Dance/Zumba Fitness consumers, whereas Microsoft is kind of doubling down on that group. I don't know who's going to be wrong or right, but I could never have predicted that the Wii would have taken off like it did this gen because of that crowd.
It's going to be a very interesting 2014.
Yep. All of the work Sony put into making PS4 camera & light tracking (controller) features will probably go to waste. Games made for it would already be at a disadvantage since for many, the cost of the game would be the price of the game + the price of the PS4 camera. Cuts into people who are willing to try out games made for the device.
The cheaper price of the system definitely helps though -- especially for the group that will be buying the console early that more than likely don't care much about motion controls.
Yep. I'm pretty sure that's true (as I said before in my point about early console buyers).
Callibretto
Member
maybe originally it's $499 with ps eye camera and 1 year ps+ sub. that's about $110 worth
Speak for yourself. Not everyone
StealthGoblin
Member
Wise decision. I don't particularly play a lot of Camera based games. I like them, but I don't care enough about them to the tune of an extra £80.
demosthenes
Member
Thank you Sony.
Glorified G
Member
ComputerMKII
Banned
Is there any hope that preorder figures for the Xbone be so low that Microsoft does a 180° on Kinect too?
LittleNemoNES
Banned
IMO this ensures gaming stays as it is on PS3. If included then developers could count on it and everything from youtube app to darksouls would include audio/camera commands
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