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Sony Sacrificed the PlayStation 4 Camera to Beat Microsoft on Price
- Thread starter Poetic.Injustice
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i hope you know that the lights were not designed specifically for the camera.
Also kinect cant be a HIT if its in every single console. That makes no sense
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Good, one less thing that developers will have to consider to work into their games. People already have concerns about how developers will use the touchpad.
Bony Manifesto
Member
What with this and the DRM thing being mysteriously changed at the last second (as well as the 8GB GDDR5), it's starting to look like Sony deliberately used misinformation to lure Microsoft into announcing a comparatively weak deal.
flyingmonkeywhoa
Banned
The article seems like an opinion piece
The camera is required for the Xbox One to function
The camera is required for the Xbox One to function
The PS3's EYE wasn't bundled in with the PS3 and had many move games released much later in the consoles life time....yet had
126+ Games that supported it. Including big games like Killzone, MLB The Show, Infamous, etc.
If Microsoft's system had some type of Navi controller/Move controller to go with their Camera then maybe Sony would've included their Cam.
but if 3rd Parties are going to have to make Motion type games that only use body parts as motion input, then they would not be taking advantage of the Move's true potential.
camera alone, the Kinect is more accurate and can track someone in the dark....but with the Move, PlayStation's Motion games had more accurate gameplay.
so again, if no 3rd Party were going to take advantage of that early on...well sell the console cheaper...and a couple of years into it, if the PS4 has a good lead in sales, then maybe bundle it back and feature it more for 3rd Party devs to have a solid base to sell to.
edit- sorry to rush that last paragraph but gotta run to work.
I hope this is for Sony's decision and not IGN's article ;-)
-Pyromaniac-
Member
Great decision.
phosphor112
Banned
Even with the camera, it's still cheaper... And i'm ok with that.
It was a good call. $499 for a less impressive camera than Kinect doesn't make it look great. $399 alone looks great.
Yeap. Eye of Judgement 2!
$399 sounds way better to your average consumer's ear than $450, even if the difference isn't that dramatic.
Exactly right. We as "hardcore gamers" often fail to think outside the box and fear change of any kind. As an example, we shouldn't be playing shooters with a controller anymore. We should be playing them with devices like evolved versions of move and wiimote on consoles. But closed minded-ness keeps us where we are. And as a result, level designs (especially on the vertical plane) and other thinfs like enemy placement will remain stagnant for yet another generation.
Didn't Sony refuse to divulge details because they didn't want to show their hand to the competition? That was a genius move, it gives them the perfect reason to watch and wait while fanning the flames and creating hype. This is what I mean when I say Microsoft has serious PR issues.
Lol
Looking at the history of consumer goods, some things don't change, because they were the best solution to begin with. I'll take a controller any day over waving my hands via Motion control.
I'm ready to evolve, it's called Oculus Rift.
Probably not.
Microsoft reportedly wants to push the Kinect for PC gaming as well, and plan on eventually releasing a PC version for that purpose. The only way way for that to be viable, is to push developers to utilize it on the X1, so that the same functionality remains in place for PC ports. Without that, even after the peripheral is made available, there would be little need for adoption. Seeing as widespread adoption would greatly benefit Microsoft, in hardware sales and licensing fees, they probably figure its worth the risk.
To give up on this possibility, sales would have to be disastrously slow, and I don't think the savings would be enough to allow them to drop the price 100usd either. The extra cost is probably related more to low yields.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Mostly because not including it more or less relegates it to Move's level of adoption. It might fair a little better though with the LED being a part of the DS4 though.
"...it guarantees that every user will have the option to try Kinect-enabled games and experiences"
Is that even correct english? How is it an option if it is guaranteed? Isn't the definition of an option that there is choice involved? For example: Every PS4 buyer has the option to try camera gaming, but they also have the option to save 59 bucks and NOT try camera gaming. (English is my second language by the way so I might actually be wrong)
And also the "games and experiences" makes it sound sooo PR. Dat journalism.
Is that even correct english? How is it an option if it is guaranteed? Isn't the definition of an option that there is choice involved? For example: Every PS4 buyer has the option to try camera gaming, but they also have the option to save 59 bucks and NOT try camera gaming. (English is my second language by the way so I might actually be wrong)
And also the "games and experiences" makes it sound sooo PR. Dat journalism.
It's not like MS couldn't change that fact if they wanted to.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
It's a good move for Sony for sure. MS' decision could tunr out fine too though. By requiring Kinect all devs now know everyone has one and it's plugged in. We could see some awesome things come out of it.
Glorified G
Member
I have no idea. I'm still wondering why accessory = death? I think Kinect turned out to be a good thing for ms. As with EyeToy, as with Wii Fit Balance Board which special software had to be made in order to take advantage of it's features.
Relegating something to an accessory has proven to be a success.
Mass Effect
Member
Eurogamer: Sony mandates Vita Remote Play for all PS4 games that don't use camera.
For anyone worried about camera support.
For anyone worried about camera support.
What's stopping developers of core games (not kinect games) to implement the same functionality on the PS4 versions regardless of the PS Eye adoption? I doubt it would be that difficult.
I'm pretty sure the PS4 Eye can read voice commands and simple gestures the same way Kinect does. Since most core games seems to be using variations of these 2 features I believe it would be easy to do the same thing on PS4.
Obviously I'm not talking about games made from the ground up for Kinect only input control since it is more advanced than the Eye.
But voice commands like the ones used on Ryse, and simple gesture commands on squad based or tactical shooters are probably easy to replicate on the PS Eye.
If the developer does it on the Xbone, how hard can it be to port the feature to the PS4?
I'm pretty sure the PS4 Eye can read voice commands and simple gestures the same way Kinect does. Since most core games seems to be using variations of these 2 features I believe it would be easy to do the same thing on PS4.
Obviously I'm not talking about games made from the ground up for Kinect only input control since it is more advanced than the Eye.
But voice commands like the ones used on Ryse, and simple gesture commands on squad based or tactical shooters are probably easy to replicate on the PS Eye.
If the developer does it on the Xbone, how hard can it be to port the feature to the PS4?
OverBlood 3
Banned
Isn't it still cheaper than an Xbone with a camera?
Exactly. I don´t need lights on my controller by now. If they show me a game that worth the camera, I'll buy it. At first, I don't need it. In fact, I almost never used the camera on PS3, only for a few Move games and that's it.
Smart move from Sony.
This is good news. As a person who only likes fully traditional games or fully motion games. If they make a Move game, I'd rather they go all out and make something like Sports Champions or Start the Party. I hate when they tack on voice commands and motion controls in a traditional game. So in that case this is good news to me.
Even less likely. They'd never ship with two completely different controllers.
I don't believe this rumor at all. And it's not just bullshit because the maths don't add up, and the DS4 advert already said it wasn't in the box, it's bullshit because none of the games showed any indication Sony had suggested it was going to include it.
Sony would have had to justify this addition with software, games would have been made, or at least altered to show the Eye's importance.
Every move Sony has made since the day this console was announced suggested they were building it around the core gaming needs. Their marketing campaign is basically "Xbox want your grandma, we got your back guys". The inclusion of this would have been contradictory to that.
Maybe there was a $450 bundle planned, and they didn't want to complicate the release with multiple SKUs, but even that I'd find surprising.
The suspicion around the price is so strange. I think the Vita is considerably more impressive for it's price versus it's competition.
sublimit
Banned
It's incredible how a more powerful system like the PS4 has a lower price than XB1 even if you include the camera.
Monty Mole
Member
Somewhat related, I hope you can disable the pointless light bar on the back of DS4. Don't want to see the reflection of that shit on my TV. DS3's red LED is annoying enough.
Kinect isn't just a camera. Nor even just two cameras. It's expensive for a reason.
This makes no sense. Level design and enemy placement are not exactly light years ahead on PC games, where the input method is faster and more accurate than a Wiimote or analog controller.
There's far more hope. Having the system require the Kinect is the best thing Microsoft has done for Kinect. It allows developers to experiment with things and not have it as some dumb little things no one will ever use. They can take time to develop things that can be meaningful to the experience without shoehorning it in since every single Xbox One will have one.
Without the Eye, the light bar on the DS4 is pretty much useless. Sure there are little light singles but what good does that do? The E3 tech demos of the PSeye and the DS4 showed some really awesome features that Sony has hamstrung now by not including it.
Honestly, I was really excited for the PSeye until they decided not to include it. It'll just be an afterthought to developers now as they all aim to use PSVita controls instead of an interesting use of the Eye.
YEAH - stupid "hardcore gamers" not willing to blindly spend 100$ on something that *might* work... smh
How about Game Developers show compelling "experiences" first and if gamers like what they are shown then gamers spend 100$ for it...
PlanetSmasher
Banned
Good. I literally NEVER used my PS Eye after Eye of Judgment's servers closed down, and I'm not paying $100 extra for a peripheral I will have no use for.
Star Falcon
Member
This pretty much condemns the peripheral to the same fate stuff like the HD-DVD player and Kinect had last gen. Not sure if it will be worth it in the long run, but so far it looks like the 'sacrifice' is paying off.
general_garcia
Member
Excellent decision.
I'm obviously missing something here, but couldn't they still use the LED lights in the controller for things like blinking red on low health anyway? I can't see how that depends on the camera being present.
I'm obviously missing something here, but couldn't they still use the LED lights in the controller for things like blinking red on low health anyway? I can't see how that depends on the camera being present.
Yeah the Xbox One price still doesn't really add up when stacked against the PS4. Kinect V2 included.
flyingmonkeywhoa
Banned
As of this very second the Kinect is REQUIRED for the XB1 to function....
I.e. it needs to be plugged into the XB1 in order for you to play games. The Eye does not have such a requirement obviously
Reading through various forums, there is one thing many PS and XBox gamers have agreed on: it's better to make a console's camera optional instead of mandatory.
I want the new PS Camera to succeed, but not at the cost of raising prices and forcing it on those who don't want it. Many XBox fans have expressed that they too wished that there was a Kinect-less XBone.
I want the new PS Camera to succeed, but not at the cost of raising prices and forcing it on those who don't want it. Many XBox fans have expressed that they too wished that there was a Kinect-less XBone.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
good.