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Twitch Plays Pokemon: Dig, Dig for Victory!

Toma

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I think a lot of people here have forgotten it's still fun to just look at the game and ignore the slider. We are in Anarchy right now and it won't change since most people seem to agree it's perfect as it is.

They used dig once, and the stream is moving towards democracy more rapidly. People are tempted to use the instant win button if its there, like everywhere.

I HATE instant win buttons, and thats exactly what democracy is.

Not to mention that every time a discussion about this comes up, people are unable to actually progress in anarchy mode because they are so desperate to use the instant win button.
 
Exactly what i'm saying. I think all the people that want democracy, want progress. If you want democracy watch the blue stream because that's all about progress.

If you want fun, then watch the red stream. Leave it be, and let them have their fun. That's what i've done.

I don't think it has to do with number of people but rather the mindstate of the majority. And the majority of the red stream would rather have fun then complete tasks.

Blue = democracy
Red = anarchy

Well, that's what all those 80's films taught me :p
 

reggie

Banned
Read this thread and watch the feed every now and then and I have to say that this democracy shit is a fucking disgrace. Great fucking way to ruin a brilliant idea. Oh well. Gg I guess...
 

Sianos

Member
I think a lot of people here have forgotten it's still fun to just look at the game and ignore the slider. We are in Anarchy right now and it won't change since most people seem to agree it's perfect as it is.

As soon as any obstacle is reached, rather than to think of new strategies and metastrategies, people revert to democracy and just map an easy walkthrough path through.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
So what does anarchy and democracy stand for as far as input?

so since everyone was stuck in the same place for fucking ever and it wasn't anything more than frustrating for anybody but trolls, they implemented the democracy system, where the chat essentially votes for the next move

but you can vote for whether you WANT democracy or anarchy (which is the way TPP was at the beginning) by putting democracy or anarchy in the chat

downside is that democracy is slow and not as fun
upside is that democracy means it's possible to eventually get past the areas that are super easy to sabotage in every-move-counts mode
 
They used dig once, and the stream is moving towards democracy more rapidly. People are tempted to use the instant win button if its there, like everywhere.

I HATE instant win buttons, and thats exactly what democracy is.

There is nothing 'instant' about this win
 

lednerg

Member
I think the time it takes Democracy to tally votes should change over time. Maybe if a vote ends in a blowout, where everybody's just spamming the same button, then the next tally should decrease by 0.5 second or so.
 
They used dig once, and the stream is moving towards democracy more rapidly. People are tempted to use the instant win button if its there, like everywhere.

I HATE instant win buttons, and thats exactly what democracy is.

Not to mention that every time a discussion about this comes up, people are unable to actually progress in anarchy mode because they are so desperate to use the instant win button.

When we get to Democracy, go ahead and complain, but right now, Anarchy is where its at.
 

okayfrog

Banned
They used dig once, and the stream is moving towards democracy more rapidly. People are tempted to use the instant win button if its there, like everywhere.

I HATE instant win buttons, and thats exactly what democracy is.

Not to mention that every time a discussion about this comes up, people are unable to actually progress in anarchy mode because they are so desperate to use the instant win button.

Agreed so much. People need to have some goddamn patience. So what if this thing goes months, let it.
 

Toma

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There is nothing 'instant' about this win

The maze was an instant win on their second try. Its not a matter of "if" or even "How long", its a matter of whether they'll do it on the first or second try.
 
Exactly what I am saying, get it down to below 5k in 1 month and woop, they make it. Watch the numbers go back up. Using a "shortcut" isnt rewarding, if I win a game of chess against the AI by taking out pieces that are dangerous to me... of course I'll win eventually, surprise.

I don't get it though. How is it more rewarding to have few enough people where it essentially becomes a coordinated democracy of people who still care, and an insane 80K person democracy that can slide into anarchy at any point and still has to coordinate and play a game cooperatively, with lag, trolls and chaos to combat. If you want to see low player counts succeed, I think there are like 15 other channels doing that right now. It isn't just the system that is making this a notable accomplishment, it is the amount of people participating and the back and forth of group mentality. Anarchy was back on one screen after the maze was done. I rather have that then wait three months. At the end of the day the most important thing was that every action was still controlled by the players through chat. That is really the only "purity" needed to keep the "twitch plays pokemen" sentiment alive.
 

_hekk05

Banned
Isnt the new system a new thought experiment though? Previously, you had bots spamming b or a or start. Now, you have anarchy and democracy fights, with trolls pressing bad inputs and some still trying to head in the right direction.

Everyone is working together. There are those who are voting anarchy. There are those who are trying to get shit done. Its a thought experiment on a greater scale.
 
so since everyone was stuck in the same place for fucking ever and it wasn't anything more than frustrating for anybody but trolls, they implemented the democracy system, where the chat essentially votes for the next move

but you can vote for whether you WANT democracy or anarchy (which is the way TPP was at the beginning) by putting democracy or anarchy in the chat

downside is that democracy is slow and not as fun
upside is that democracy means it's possible to eventually get past the areas that are super easy to sabotage in every-move-counts mode

Thanks. So as long as anarchy leads the vote, the system works the same as before?
 

Toma

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that's not how "instant" works.

You know exactly what I mean, dont start with debates on "exact" meanings. Its a win button, period. Get democracy, overcome anything within a few minutes. Woohoo.
 

Feorax

Member
I have no issue with Democracy being a deterrant to 12 hour anarchy troll sessions.

I agree it should be Anarchy in the majority though. It's made the game what it is so far.

Magic is far from gone though.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
I don't get it though. How is it less rewarding to have few enough people where it essentially becomes a coordinated democracy of people who still care, and an insane 80K person democracy that can slide into anarchy at any point and still has to coordinate and play a game cooperatively, with lag, trolls and chaos to combat. If you want to see low player counts succeed, I think there are like 15 other channels doing that right now. It isn't just the system that is making this a notable accomplishment, it is the amount of people participating and the back and forth of group mentality. Anarchy was back on one screen after the maze was done. I rather have that then wait three months. At the end of the day the most important thing was that every action was still controlled by the players through chat. That is really the only "purity" needed to keep the "twitch plays pokemen" sentiment alive.

The very concept that "let 75 thousand people leave and eventually stuff will get done" is a good idea is ridiculous on its face.

Thanks. So as long as anarchy leads the vote, the system works the same as before?

yep
 

wmlk

Member
Why would we put the Helix Fossil and Flareon away? Flareon caused all of this but he was one of the best Pokémon that we had.

Twitch Plays Pokemon jumped the shark.

This was completely random to begin with, and was totally unexpected. Introducing another element isn't really that bad when you think about it. It just makes things that much more interesting to me, as this was already interesting to begin with.
 

Toma

Let me show you through these halls, my friend, where treasures of indie gaming await...
Thanks. So as long as anarchy leads the vote, the system works the same as before?

Technically yes, but its still different because the majority of the stream are focussing on this anarchy/democracy debate instead of playing and coming up with awesome solutions/strategies.

Anarchy now is not the same as it was before.

The very concept that "let 75 thousand people leave and eventually stuff will get done" is a good idea is ridiculous on its face.

That was the most extreme example, I am sure they would have made it way before 75k people left. Same with the ledge where we all thought that they'll lose viewers because they are stuck and they need lower numbers.

What happened? Numbers steadily rose, yet they still beat it.
 

Trey

Member
I don't get it though. How is it less rewarding to have few enough people where it essentially becomes a coordinated democracy of people who still care, and an insane 80K person democracy that can slide into anarchy at any point and still has to coordinate and play a game cooperatively, with lag, trolls and chaos to combat. If you want to see low player counts succeed, I think there are like 15 other channels doing that right now. It isn't just the system that is making this a notable accomplishment, it is the amount of people participating and the back and forth of group mentality. Anarchy was back on one screen after the maze was done. I rather have that then wait three months. At the end of the day the most important thing was that every action was still controlled by the players through chat. That is really the only "purity" needed to keep the "twitch plays pokemen" sentiment alive.

This is how I look at it. A decent compromise.

Anarchy now is not the same as it was before.

How not? Minority of a lot is still a lot.
 

Cyrano

Member
The very concept that "let 75 thousand people leave and eventually stuff will get done" is a good idea is ridiculous on its face.
As a social experiment it's perfectly acceptable.

It's actually a really interesting question. "How long does it take before people actually give up, and if they do, do they come back once others eventually succeed?"
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
You know exactly what I mean, dont start with debates on "exact" meanings. Its a win button, period. Get democracy, overcome anything within a few minutes. Woohoo.

"Let 75 thousand people leave" is not a valid solution.
 

HK-47

Oh, bitch bitch bitch.
Why would we put the Helix Fossil and Flareon away? Flareon caused all of this but he was one of the best Pokémon that we had.
Because now the chat wants to cause more drama like what happened with Jay and Abby. Especially cause they weren't getting anywhere with the maze.
 

Toma

Let me show you through these halls, my friend, where treasures of indie gaming await...
"Let 75 thousand people leave" is not a valid solution.

That was the most extreme example, I am sure they would have made it way before 75k people left. Same with the ledge where we all thought that they'll lose viewers because they are stuck and they need lower numbers.

What happened? Numbers steadily rose, yet they still beat it.
 
I'm only watching a few minutes at a time (because I should be working)...
but right now it looks like the democracy/anarchy voting is now our biggest progression obstacle.
Everyone is so busy fighting over the input method that we're not really getting anywhere.
We really need to decide on one or the other and be done with it.
 
You know exactly what I mean, dont start with debates on "exact" meanings. Its a win button, period. Get democracy, overcome anything within a few minutes. Woohoo.

You don't like the stream anymore, we get it.

But your logic is flawed. Simply having the stream up indefinitely is an "win" button, as eventually we would achieve the random buttons necessary to beat it. I understand you think that is a better way to do it, and you are entitled to that opinion. But honestly you're shitting up the thread. I'll PM you when they abolish democracy.
 
I think the next revision needs to be Democracy/Anarchy voting periods. Once an hour the system can change, maybe even less frequent than that. The constant voting sucks.
 

Azuran

Banned
So close to changing to democracy just because we used dig instead of the key. That perfectly shows everything wrong with the new system.

The magic is gone.
 

Sianos

Member
You don't like the stream anymore, we get it.

But your logic is flawed. Simply having the stream up indefinitely is an "instant win" button, as eventually we would achieve the random buttons necessary to beat it. I understand you think that is a better way to do it, and you are entitled to that opinion. But honestly you're shitting up the thread. I'll PM you when they abolish democracy.

Why not just use the other stream, whose goal is maximum coordination? Why not have both systems on different streams? [EDIT: clarified that, i don't mean both systems in a vote and you know that too]

Also, I'm reposting this quote since you didn't see it:

FROM AN INTERVIEW WITH THE CREATOR:

"I’m concerned about the Safari Zone, if it does prove impossible I will consider modifying the game to make it easier but I still want to see the stream give it their best try without any compromises."
 

Cess007

Member
So, wth happened? I left last night and people were stuck at Team Rocket HQ. I wake up to find people talking about Anarchy and Democracy? the hell??
 
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