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[Sianos]

which ethnic group or sexual minority will pewdiepie use slurs against next

"aw geez when i apologized for those rape jokes and then apologized again for paying children to write "death to all jews" as an alleged joke - i didn't realize i also shouldn't call black people racial slurs either"

i wouldn't be surprised if in a few months, maybe a year tops, he's embroiled in another controversy of the exact same nature

 

[Anarion07]

He doesn't deny it as a whole, but he seems to deny that the recent hurricanes had anything to do with climate change. And, for a guy who complained a whole lot that the Wall Street Journal deceived about what he really believed in, he tries his hardest to smear Jennifer Lawrence's position where she talks about climate change and the hurricanes, as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH7wMFrWYoA

That's what I remember about the video, anyway. Have a look for yourself, and see if you come to the same conclusion.

I think he doesn't deny a correlation between climate change and worse hurricanes, he just has a problem with people using natural catastrophes for their political agenda. And he does so in a really shitty and non-funny way, trying too hard to be funny.
And as for Trump, he's too short-sighted to see they don't blame Trump for the hurricanes now, but for the future that's to come.

But back to the actual topic.

 

[El_Mau]

How long till the next controversy? This guy won't change

 

[iavi]

As a black dude who's been hurled these insults since I was a pre-teen (LOT of CS 1.6 -> in my youth) - this dude saying it once ("thought of the worst word I could say") doesn't make me want to bring out a pitchfork. Do I think he's a legit racist and enjoys the suffering of us black folk? Nope.

There isn't one 'burn him at the stake' individual in this thread that hasn't said something equally shitty, the only difference being he's very popular and you are not.

I think it's also interesting with situations like this, nothing ever really seems to be enough; as if he didn't release an apology, he'd be lambasted for not caring, but because he did release one, now he needs to do more and he should hold a committee with people of color to bring awareness to the world that there are racists out there and there are certain words that 'shouldn't' be used due to the history behind them.

He apologized, I'll continue not paying attention to him because his content is annoying af.

As another black dude who's also gotten more than his share of insults, our desensitizing to the word doesn't negate the larger impact of his normalizing it, especially so in conjunction with recent issues like his Nazi bullshit and jontrons nonsense creating the overall narrative that this is the what the gaming community is and should be with younger, impressionable minds.

And whataboutisms and hand-waving it away under the guise of being black and larger than "a word" is as slippery a slope as it is a massive affront to progressing away from having to even discuss these things.

 

[Gestault]

As another black dude who's also gotten more than his share of insults, our desensitizing to the word doesn't negate the larger impact of his normalizing it, especially so in conjunction with recent issues like his Nazi bullshit and jontrons nonsense creating the overall narrative that this is the what the gaming community is and should be with younger, impressionable minds.

And whataboutisms and hand-waving it away under the guise of being black and larger than "a word" is as slippery a slope as it is a massive affront to progressing away from having to even discuss these things.

Thank you.

 

[Anarion07]

As another black dude who's also gotten more than his share of insults, our desensitizing to the word doesn't negate the larger impact of his normalizing it, especially so in conjunction with recent issues like his Nazi bullshit and jontrons nonsense creating the overall narrative that this is the what the gaming community is and should be with younger, impressionable minds.

And whataboutisms and hand-waving it away under the guise of being black and larger than "a word" is as slippery a slope as it is a massive affront to progressing away from having to even discuss these things.

Do you think he is promoting white supremacy? Honest question.
And i like that last paragraph.

 

[L Thammy]

Wut

Global warming was an issue before trump, nobody thinks Nov-Sept caused hurricanes.

I mean, hasn't he been in contact with Alex Jones and shit as of late?

There are sooooo many red flags with this guy. If people want to believe this apology and give the benefit of the doubt, I'm not going to say that you're wrong, but I think you really need to consider how much you're willing to forgive based on an apology. Consider how he was acting between the moment he let this word slip and his apology. Consider how he was acting before this incident. Consider who he's been dealing with as of late. Is the apology strong enough to cover all of this?

 

[halfbeast]

which ethnic group or sexual minority will pewdiepie use slurs against next

"aw geez when i apologized for those rape jokes and then apologized again for paying children to write "death to all jews" as an alleged joke - i didn't realize i also shouldn't call black people racial slurs either"

i wouldn't be surprised if in a few months, maybe a year tops, he's embroiled in another controversy of the exact same nature

eh, I don't know. I think, he did it all already. the only thing he has left, is hurting puppies on camera for laughs.

he's going to hurt puppies on camera, isn't he?

 

[sonicmj1]

Consider how he was acting between the moment he let this word slip and his apology.

My understanding is that this clip is actually about a month old. Which suggests he's more sorry that he got noticed than sorry about his actions.

This whole thing doesn't make me upset because I don't have the energy for that anymore with everything else happening in the world. But as I said before, I'm not going to trust that he's actually changed until he proves it with his actions over the long term. He's had more than enough chances before.

 

[RRockman]

As another black dude who's also gotten more than his share of insults, our desensitizing to the word doesn't negate the larger impact of his normalizing it, especially so in conjunction with recent issues like his Nazi bullshit and jontrons nonsense creating the overall narrative that this is the what the gaming community is and should be with younger, impressionable minds.

And whataboutisms and hand-waving it away under the guise of being black and larger than "a word" is as slippery a slope as it is a massive affront to progressing away from having to even discuss these things.

Good on you sir for speaking truly.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Do you think he is promoting white supremacy? Honest question.
And i like that last paragraph.

Have you seen his comment section?

Yeah, when you normalize racist speech, you help the white supremacists.

 

[Beefy]

Do you think he is promoting white supremacy? Honest question.
And i like that last paragraph.

He certainly at the very least talks to white supremacists.

 

[Crossing Eden]

It's like they sign up for gaf to get a ~martyr badge of honor.

Maybe they'll get slightly more upvoats. Only to be forgotten after two minutes. Annnnnnndddddd already forgot.

 

[Messofanego]

As a black dude who's been hurled these insults since I was a pre-teen (LOT of CS 1.6 -> in my youth) - this dude saying it once ("thought of the worst word I could say") doesn't make me want to bring out a pitchfork. Do I think he's a legit racist and enjoys the suffering of us black folk? Nope.

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2nd
3rd-ish

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

He's trying to use the heat of the moment excuse, not interested

As a black dude who's been hurled these insults since I was a pre-teen (LOT of CS 1.6 -> in my youth) - this dude saying it once ("thought of the worst word I could say") doesn't make me want to bring out a pitchfork. Do I think he's a legit racist and enjoys the suffering of us black folk? Nope.

There isn't one 'burn him at the stake' individual in this thread that hasn't said something equally shitty, the only difference being he's very popular and you are not.

I'm sorry that the course of your life led you to believe that everyone is terrible, and that feeding into racism is fine as long as the person doesn't cross your arbitrary line.

 

[SledGod]

eh, I don't know. I think, he did it all already. the only thing he has left, is hurting puppies on camera for laughs.

he's going to hurt puppies on camera, isn't he?

You're not a real gamer if you haven't beaten a litter of puppies senseless after a bad round of PUBG.

 

[Beefy]

As another black dude who's also gotten more than his share of insults, our desensitizing to the word doesn't negate the larger impact of his normalizing it, especially so in conjunction with recent issues like his Nazi bullshit and jontrons nonsense creating the overall narrative that this is the what the gaming community is and should be with younger, impressionable minds.

And whataboutisms and hand-waving it away under the guise of being black and larger than "a word" is as slippery a slope as it is a massive affront to progressing away from having to even discuss these things.

.

 

[DylanEno]

Plus he monetized the apology video.

What a fucking pig lol

 

[LotusHD]

As another black dude who's also gotten more than his share of insults, our desensitizing to the word doesn't negate the larger impact of his normalizing it, especially so in conjunction with recent issues like his Nazi bullshit and jontrons nonsense creating the overall narrative that this is the what the gaming community is and should be with younger, impressionable minds.

And whataboutisms and hand-waving it away under the guise of being black and larger than "a word" is as slippery a slope as it is a massive affront to progressing away from having to even discuss these things.

Preach

 

[Barzul]

As another black dude who's also gotten more than his share of insults, our desensitizing to the word doesn't negate the larger impact of his normalizing it, especially so in conjunction with recent issues like his Nazi bullshit and jontrons nonsense creating the overall narrative that this is the what the gaming community is and should be with younger, impressionable minds.

And whataboutisms and hand-waving it away under the guise of being black and larger than "a word" is as slippery a slope as it is a massive affront to progressing away from having to even discuss these things.

Well put.

 

[Loudninja]

Do you think he is promoting white supremacy? Honest question.
And i like that last paragraph.

Look all around him.

 

[adversarial]

He has a past of doing racist shit. Stop trying to make out he is the victim. Also citation needed.

Huh? I'm not making anyone out to be a victim. Another point that I think is interesting is that my insight into the situation is brushed aside and I'm relegated to the "doesn't know shit" crowd even though I've been a victim of actual in your face, physical vitriol.

This nerd saying it out of anger doesn't even come close to the shit I've experienced first-hand. That may be why I'm not all up-in-arms about it.

Good looking out on brushing another opinion under the rug that doesn't fit your narrative.

Citations? You're right, everyone is an angel that's never said any derogatory, shameful shit to anyone else, ever before. I'll check myself.

1st
2nd
3rd-ish

Interesting - I don't follow him and was only speaking to this instance. So he has a track record of saying awful shit - why is everyone still acting surprised that this dude says stuff like this?

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

As another black dude who's also gotten more than his share of insults, our desensitizing to the word doesn't negate the larger impact of his normalizing it, especially so in conjunction with recent issues like his Nazi bullshit and jontrons nonsense creating the overall narrative that this is the what the gaming community is and should be with younger, impressionable minds.

And whataboutisms and hand-waving it away under the guise of being black and larger than "a word" is as slippery a slope as it is a massive affront to progressing away from having to even discuss these things.

Props

 

[AdmiralMikey]

How long till the next controversy? This guy won't change

I think that's the exact point that Sean Vanaman from Campo Santo was trying to make with his tweet of "I am sick of this child getting more and more chances to make money off of what we make."

This isn't the first time PDP's done this and this won't be the last time. He doesn't learn, it's in his nature to be immature and ignorant and he's showing millions of younger gamers that his behavior is OK. The best way to disassociate yourself from his trash and to stop promoting that behavior is to consciously block him from publicly playing your games.

 

[Maximo]

It took him 2 days to address it, I think it sounds like a pr company wrote it, and the way it is edited makes it look like he spent all afternoon trying to grind his way through it.

Plus he monetized the apology video.

Hahaha...wow.

 

[Loudninja]

Huh? I'm not making anyone out to be a victim. Another point that I think is interesting is that my insight into the situation is brushed aside and I'm relegated to the "doesn't know shit" crowd even though I've been a victim of actual in your face, physical vitriol.

This nerd saying it out of anger doesn't even come close to the shit I've experienced first-hand. That may be why I'm not all up-in-arms about it.

Good looking out on brushing another opinion under the rug that doesn't fit your narrative.

Citations? You're right, everyone is an angel that's never said any derogatory, shameful shit to anyone else, ever before. I'll check myself.

So a "nerd" using this word as a direct insult should just should just be ignored?

 

[Jobbs]

Have you seen his comment section?

Yeah, when you normalize racist speech, you help the white supremacists.

The other way to get sickening comments is to just post any video on youtube that is in any way related to race, gender, women, sex, politics, or.. like, anything else on the planet.

Judging youtubers or the content of their videos by gross comments in their comment section is a tough path to go down.

 

[KageMaru]

I’m really sorry if I offended, hurt or disappointed anyone with all of this.

Fuck this guy for this half assed apology. There should be no "if" statement here. You should be sorry because this was a shitty thing to do, not only if you offended anyone.

 

[LiquidSword]

Some people have claimed he monitized the video and some have claimed he hasn't. Which is it? Anyway to find out definitively?

 

[SledGod]

I think that's the exact point that Sean Vanaman from Campo Santo was trying to make with his tweet of "I am sick of this child getting more and more chances to make money off of what we make."

This isn't the first time PDP's done this and this won't be the last time. The best way to disassociate yourself from his trash is to consciously block him from publicly playing your games.

It's crazy how many people on Reddit are acting like Campo Santo is doing this to "make themselves relevant again" rather than because they don't want to enable/be associated with this asshole.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

Interesting - I don't follow him and was only speaking to this instance. So he has a track record of saying awful shit - why is everyone still acting surprised that this dude says stuff like this?

Nobody is acting surprised, just wondering how many times he can say shit like this without consequence and being defended by a bunch of kids that will end following his example.

 

[besada]

Huh? I'm not making anyone out to be a victim. Another point that I think is interesting is that my insight into the situation is brushed aside and I'm relegated to the "doesn't know shit" crowd even though I've been a victim of actual in your face, physical vitriol.

This nerd saying it out of anger doesn't even come close to the shit I've experienced first-hand. That may be why I'm not all up-in-arms about it.

Good looking out on brushing another opinion under the rug that doesn't fit your narrative.

Citations? You're right, everyone is an angel that's never said any derogatory, shameful shit to anyone else, ever before. I'll check myself.

People disagreeing with you isn't brushing your opinion aside. Having experienced personal racism makes you neither unique, nor the arbiter of what others consider racism.

 

[Wallach]

lol at monetizing the video

so genuine you can feel it

 

[RRockman]

Have you seen his comment section?

Yeah, when you normalize racist speech, you help the white supremacists.

It makes me sick. It's like He's effectively brainwashed these people.

 

[Jobbs]

lol at monetizing the video

so genuine you can feel it

Hahaha...wow.

There are a lot of good points to be made and very valid criticisms of PDP, but every thread I go to on this topic is so full of misinformation and people being outraged at things that are simply untrue that it's hard to focus on anything real.

It's not monetized. I mean, i was curious, so I checked. Like I literally checked if something was true before "omg"ing it. It's not monetized.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

The other way to get sickening comments is to just post any video on youtube that is in any way related to race, gender, women, sex, politics, or.. like, anything else on the planet.

Judging youtubers or the content of their videos by gross comments in their comment section is a tough path to go down.

This is not a bunch of trolls invading some random video in youtube and converting it a stronghold of neo-fascism and white-nationalism

Those commenters are his fans and they behaved like this before, not only on youtube but also on twitter.

 

[Rumblebones]

It's been two days.

The silence from those that could really do something about this - YouTube, PUBG, Twitch, developers, etc. - has been, with the exception of Campo Santo, deafening.

Pewdiepie will get away with this just like every other time.

All these platform holders will go on pretending they give a shit about cleaning up their communities through meaningless platitudes and ineffective methods.

And before long we'll be at it again the next time Pewdiepie or some other notable internet personality says or does some fuckshit aimed towards women, minorities or the disabled.

I should have expected as much.

 

[D i Z]

Interesting - I don't follow him and was only speaking to this instance. So he has a track record of saying awful shit - why is everyone still acting surprised that this dude says stuff like this?

Yeah, probably should have taken in the full view for context before you started pulling peoples cards for their "burn him at the stake" responses.

 

[Schucky Ducky]

There are a lot of good points to be made and very valid criticisms of PDP, but every thread I go to on this topic is so full of misinformation and people being outraged at things that are simply untrue that it's hard to focus on anything real.

It's not monetized. I mean, i was curious, so I checked. Like I literally checked if something was true before "omg"ing it. It's not monetized.

It appears that it was earlier. I got an ad for that new Tom Cruise movie before watching it. The monetization must have been removed sometime after he posted the video.

 

[L Thammy]

There are a lot of good points to be made and very valid criticisms of PDP, but every thread I go to on this topic is so full of misinformation and people being outraged at things that are simply untrue that it's hard to focus on anything real.

It's not monetized. I mean, i was curious, so I checked. Like I literally checked if something was true before "omg"ing it. It's not monetized.

Other people have mentioned seeing ads, so it's not clear what's going on. It's possible that it was monetized, perhaps by default and then changed later.

 

[Beefy]

Huh? I'm not making anyone out to be a victim. Another point that I think is interesting is that my insight into the situation is brushed aside and I'm relegated to the "doesn't know shit" crowd even though I've been a victim of actual in your face, physical vitriol.

This nerd saying it out of anger doesn't even come close to the shit I've experienced first-hand. That may be why I'm not all up-in-arms about it.

Good looking out on brushing another opinion under the rug that doesn't fit your narrative.

Citations? You're right, everyone is an angel that's never said any derogatory, shameful shit to anyone else, ever before. I'll check myself.

I haven't for one so you need to up your game. Also I have been through racist shit spewed at my face as well, I still aint going to brush of a dude who has 50m subs being racist as nothing.

Racism is racism to me.

* and no I am not brushing anything away

 

[adversarial]

People disagreeing with you isn't brushing your opinion aside. Having experienced personal racism make you neither unique, nor the arbiter of what others consider racism.

He is definitely brushing what I said aside and placing me in a specific camp based on me not shouting for PDP's head. Having experienced personal racism makes me unique compared to someone who has no idea what it's like (not specifically whoever I replied to earlier, I don't know them) letting me know that what I feel isn't valid.

The reason I mentioned personal experience is because it's valid to the discussion and how I interpret it. However, these discussions tend to snowball into shit-slinging and dismissal coming from people who have never experienced racism or oppression. It will never get old being told that what I feel isn't genuine from people who haven't experienced it, which is why I tend to not say anything about it.

PDP sucks and shouldn't use the word, but I do not believe him to be a racist, not like those I've encountered here in Texas. That's all I was saying.

So a "nerd" using this word as a direct insult should just should just be ignored?

No, he should be called out on it, which he has been.

I'm curious what you think should be done other than him being called out on it and making an apology?

Yeah, probably should have taken in the full view for context before you started pulling peoples cards for their "burn him at the stake" responses.

Probably

 

[LotusHD]

I haven't for one so you need to up your game. Also I have been through to my face shit as well, I still aint going to brush of a dude who has 50m subs being racist as nothing.

Racism is racism to me.

Just feel like it's very weird for someone to say we've done equally shitty things amidst the context of someone casually using the N-word, but maybe it's just me...

 

[Jobbs]

It appears that it was earlier. I got an ad for that new Tom Cruise movie before watching it. The monetization must have been removed sometime after he posted the video.

Other people have mentioned seeing ads, so it's not clear what's going on. It's possible that it was monetized, perhaps by default and then changed later.

I can easily get ads on his other videos but I tried for several minutes and couldn't get a single ad on the apology video.

In any case, it doesn't do anyone any favors when the thread operates as an outrage machine that is layering on its shock and grief, layer after layer, using facts that are not true as some of the layers. It muddies and discredits everything.

 

[mjp2417]

Huh? I'm not making anyone out to be a victim. Another point that I think is interesting is that my insight into the situation is brushed aside and I'm relegated to the "doesn't know shit" crowd even though I've been a victim of actual in your face, physical vitriol.

This nerd saying it out of anger doesn't even come close to the shit I've experienced first-hand. That may be why I'm not all up-in-arms about it.

Good looking out on brushing another opinion under the rug that doesn't fit your narrative.

Citations? You're right, everyone is an angel that's never said any derogatory, shameful shit to anyone else, ever before. I'll check myself.



Interesting - I don't follow him and was only speaking to this instance. So he has a track record of saying awful shit - why is everyone still acting surprised that this dude says stuff like this?

So you wandered into a topic without having any idea of the context surrounding said topic, accused everyone in the thread of using racist slurs or their equivalents without the slightest shred of proof, and then tried to play victim when called out on it. Do I have this about right?

 

[Willenium]

Just realized that the thread title is missing the word "again."

 

[Beefy]

Just feel like it's very weird for someone to say we've done equally shitty things amidst the context of someone casually using the N-word, but maybe it's just me...

Same here.

 

[LiquidSword]

It makes me sick. It's like He's effectively brainwashed these people.

I don't think they are brainwashed. I think most of these people are fighting a proxy war for themselves. Basically saying it's okay for them to do it. There has to be a non negligible group of gamers who grew up in the age of online gaming and using slurs is just normal to them. And they desperately want to make it normal to everyone.

 

[pigeon]

No, he should be called out on it, which he has been.

I'm curious what you think should be done other than him being called out on it and making an apology?

Companies that play a part in enriching and promoting a guy who promotes white supremacy could stop doing that. DMCA takedowns of his videos are one idea, but Youtube could also just cut him loose.

PDP himself could invest his own time and money in combating white supremacy, either with monetary donations, which would not be difficult for him, or by using his wide social reach to talk about how bad racism is and promote social justice. Plenty of celebrities do exactly this with their social currency. PDP does the opposite -- he literally tells all his viewers that he knows they think saying n*gg*r is fine. What effect do you think that has on their perspectives about racism?

 

[SledGod]

I can easily get ads on his other videos but I tried for several minutes and couldn't get a single ad on the apology video.

In any case, it doesn't do anyone any favors when the thread operates as an outrage machine that is layering on its shock and grief, layer after layer, using facts that are not true as some of the layers. It muddies and discredits everything.

You've only offered once piece of evidence for this, and it's not exactly solid.