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[artredis1980]

Even if Obama's presidency goes ok, OK is better than the last 8 years of bullshit


and furthermore in 8 years the following will be put to rest

1. people thinking he is a muslim
2. people thinking he is a terrorist
3. people thinking he will forgive osama
4. People thinking he loves ayers, rezko, farakhan and wright
5. people thinking he is the most liberal person in america


if he gets rid of even 2-3 of the above, he is pretty much assured a 2nd term

 

[Hitokage]

Most of what I am hearing offhand is that Republicans are blaming the actors of movement conservatism ( Bush, old corrupt Republican congress ) and the effects of movement conservatism ( financial shitheap, record deficits ), but not actually taking any real look at said conservatism at all as being possibly flawed.

Expect more crazy policy ideas from the looney farm in the next couple of years.

Limbaugh's blaming it all on the effort to court moderates, nevermind that Sarah Palin and McCain's pandering to the right destroyed it. NO, IT OBVIOUSLY CANNOT BE PALIN'S FAULT MCCAIN LOST.

March to Irrelevancy!

 

[JaMarco]

Obama won despite!


1. Him being only a Junior Senator
2. Him being a Junior Senator for only 2 years
3. Him being Black
4. His first name rhyming with Osama
5. His middle name the same as Iraq's leader
6. His Muslim father
7. Rev Wright
8. Rev Fladger
9. Louis Farakhan
10. Rezko
11. Ayers
12. more than 20% of Americans think he is a Muslim
13. More than 20% of Americans think he is a terrorist
14. Hillary
15. Him being a senator and not a governer, first time thats happened in decades
16. Bittergate
17. Biden Gaffe's

he really did jump HUGE hurdles

 

[Son of Godzilla]

well damn... its like that last scene from braveheart.
where the princess admits to the king that wallace knocked her up.

Not to be badmouthing the dead, but he was a pretty "hardcore" right winger.

And I mean something far meaner by "hardcore".

 

[nubbe]

Well done America

 

[Cloudy]

538 reporting the GA Senate race is going to a runoff.

If Obama campaigned for the Dem, that could be close..

 

[Jamesfrom818]

Honestly, I really don't understand all the hullabaloo over electing Obama. Sure, he's black...well, half anyway but I've always just looked at him as a man and not a black man.

 

[Learn2read]

Interesting point, yesterday Obama was a socialist, today he only won because he ran a "center-right" campaign

 

[TiVo]

Where did you get tickets? R U sure it aint a scam site? I called Barack's official number and a volunteer told me to go to here http://inaugural.senate.gov/index.cfm

And I see no info on tickets being sold yet.

Also called
202-224-6352

And she said those sites might be fake cause tickets will be handed out by congressional folks, you gotta contact them to get on a list.

Trying to help here don't let this info get buried

 

[Learn2read]

Honestly, I really don't understand all the hullabaloo over electing Obama. Sure, he's black...well, half anyway but I've always just looked at him as a man and not a black man.

Wait, he's black?

 

[Zyzyxxz]

So when does this topic close? Its been a longtime in the coming but we'd better lock this before we get some nasty debates over nothing.

 

[Zoe]

From what I remember of last night, aside from the incessant yelling and celebrating in the streets outside the Driskill, I seem to recall trying to make a new shot called the Eight Year Eraser. It didn't taste very good, but that seems appropriate.

Haha, you were there too? We eventually had to practically drag one of our friends from the crowd after an hour on the street so we could go home.

 

[master15]

Newsweek has put up part 2 of their fasinating look into the behind the scenes of the campaigns. Part 2 is all about Mccain's sloppy start, there's some fasinating insight here. Must read folks;

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167639/page/1

 

[dacuk]

:lol

 

[sangreal]

I really believe we will have a book from McCain which will spill the secrets of how the Republicans destroyed his chances

But isn't his book writer (Salter) amongst the guilty?

 

[Opiate]

Most of what I am hearing offhand is that Republicans are blaming the actors of movement conservatism ( Bush, old corrupt Republican congress ) and the effects of movement conservatism ( financial shitheap, record deficits ), but not actually taking any real look at said conservatism at all as being possibly flawed.

Expect more crazy policy ideas from the looney farm in the next couple of years.

This is what I'm waiting to see. Typically the "politics are a pendulum, it will swing the other way" sort of talk holds great water, but that pendulum assumes that a party will rethink its positions when the pendulum swings far away from it. They figure out what wasn't working, reinvent themselves, and prime up for a come back.

This time -- at least so far -- it seems like the base of the Republican party refuses to accept that their actual policy positions are at fault here. It's impossible to believe that the Republican party itself will die off (it won't), but at this exact moment, it seems like the core constituency of the party would rather stay the course and go down with guns blazing then admit fault or error.

 

[Hitokage]

So when does this topic close? Its been a longtime in the coming but we'd better lock this before we get some nasty debates over nothing.

There are still elections left unsettled!

 

[Seth C]

Hey, can Bill Clinton take a cabinet position?

 

[PhatSaqs]

Honestly, I really don't understand all the hullabaloo over electing Obama. Sure, he's black...well, half anyway but I've always just looked at him as a man and not a black man.

He's black but I bet you're not.

 

[Threi]

Wait, he's black?

hes not a black man

hes an obama


get it straight

 

[bob_arctor]

I went crazy last night when Ohio was called. It was at that point I knew it was over, and I was both happy and in disbelief that, yes, something good can actually come from Ohio.

Yeah, when Ohio was called for him, that was when I finally let go of all my inner apprehension and big smile broke out across my face. It's still there today.

 

[AstroLad]

Newsweek has put up part 2 of their fasinating look into the behind the scenes of the campaigns. Part 2 is all about Mccain's sloppy start, there's some fasinating insight here. Must read folks;

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167639/page/1

Oh, Old McCain:

"McCain was never comfortable playing the front runner. His comment when he first walked through headquarters was "It's awfully big." McCain was ill suited to be the establishment's man. He was suspect to the true believers on the right, the Rush Limbaugh "dittoheads" who regarded him as a RINO (Republican in Name Only). While the Republican right wanted to build a wall and keep out all the immigrants, McCain was trying to forge a compromise—with Ted Kennedy, no less. The party stalwarts had reason to be doubtful about McCain, who could be salty in his private denunciations. To a couple of his closest advisers he grumbled, "What the f––– would I want to lead this party for?"

"He would eventually come to embrace the younger Bush at the 2000 Republican convention, awkwardly hugging a rather startled-looking Bush around the midsection, as high as McCain's war-damaged arms could go. Privately, he told one of his closest aides that he strongly disliked Bush (the word the aide used was "detests")."

 

[obijkenobi]

He's black but I bet you're not.

Pretty much. I'm Hispanic and I feel like Obama broke the glass ceiling for those of darker colors. When I have kids, I'll be able to say them and honestly mean it that they too can be President. A week ago, I wouldn't have been able to say that. It is such an amazing feeling.

 

[platypotamus]

There are still elections left unsettled!

When it's closed, will there be a PoliGAF Obama Cabinet Picks thread?

 

[StrikerObi]

Obama won despite!


1. Him being only a Junior Senator
2. Him being a Junior Senator for only 2 years
3. Him being Black
4. His first name rhyming with Osama
5. His middle name the same as Iraq's leader
6. His Muslim father
7. Rev Wright
8. Rev Fladger
9. Louis Farakhan
10. Rezko
11. Ayers
12. more than 20% of Americans think he is a Muslim
13. More than 20% of Americans think he is a terrorist
14. Hillary
15. Him being a senator and not a governer, first time thats happened in decades
16. Bittergate
17. Biden Gaffe's

To be fair, 12 and 13 are the same people. There are very few people that think he is one and not the other.

The speedy news cycle was a big factor. Obama was in the lead and the insane news cycle didn't give McCain time to get anything to stick to him. It also didn't help that McCain's accusations were almost entirely baseless.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

Honestly, I really don't understand all the hullabaloo over electing Obama. Sure, he's black...well, half anyway but I've always just looked at him as a man and not a black man.

The average American under 30 has grown up during the absolutely ridiculous shit Clinton went through at his end of term and then the insanity of Bush. It's not about being black, although that's nice, it's about the triumph of the intelligentsia and defeat of fear-mongering assholes. I don't know if you are American or not, but for the last decade plus the politics of this country truly have seemed hopeless for your average twenty something college grad. That's why Obama's campaign was so strong, why his internet force so successful. It sounds trite, but people were fucking desperate for change.

 

[besada]

Hey, can Bill Clinton take a cabinet position?

He could if he were offered one, but he won't be.

It's more likely hillary will get an offer (which I also don't think will happen).

 

[devilhawk]

Most of what I am hearing offhand is that Republicans are blaming the actors of movement conservatism ( Bush, old corrupt Republican congress ) and the effects of movement conservatism ( financial shitheap, record deficits ), but not actually taking any real look at said conservatism at all as being possibly flawed.

Expect more crazy policy ideas from the looney farm in the next couple of years.

Why can't we blame neocons again? What is wrong with true moderate conservatism? Bush was not proof of anything other than neocons sucks.

 

[alr1ght]

Where is your god now?

(click for maximum awesomeness)

 

[speculawyer]

Limbaugh's blaming it all on the effort to court moderates, nevermind that Sarah Palin and McCain's pandering to the right destroyed it. NO, IT OBVIOUSLY CANNOT BE PALIN'S FAULT MCCAIN LOST.

March to Irrelevancy!

Yeah . . . this is some of the best stuff of the election . . . instead of rationally figuring out why they lost, they are just ignoring reality and sticking with faith-based politics. Never mind the polls that conclusively showed that Palin was millstone around McCain's neck . . . they'll just go farther right! Right into the wilderness of unelectability.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Hmm. So Dick Luger turned down a role in his cabinet? I hope Obama brings in at least two Republicans in his administration. Would be nice to see the GOP stop crying.

 

[Hootie]

HEY GUYS WHAT ARE THE NEW GALLUP NUMBERS FOR TODAY??

Spoiler

=(

 

[electricpirate]

I think any attempt to put Obama's policies directly on the Liberal/Conservative scale completely misses the f'n point. His positions weren't strictly idealistic, they were based on pragmatism and what works.

If we did have to force Obama's round peg into the square hole, sure he'd be a progressive, and the progressive beliefs he holds he put forth without apology. By that standard he's somewhat farther left than we are used to. On a worldwide scale, he'd be pretty centrist.

I guess when people say "Hey This is a center right country" they don't take into account that obama has calibrated that by taking things that work from both parties. Saying he NEEDS to move to the right is foolish, progressive ideas won in this election. Obama needs to govern exactly as he's promised, openly, and by surrounding himself with smart people who disagree.

 

[ViperVisor]

British tabloid drops topless Page 3 girl for Obama

Yet fapping actually went up.

 

[Tamanon]

Hey, can Bill Clinton take a cabinet position?

I'm pretty sure he can't, not that he ever would want to. Succession would make it an issue.

 

[Seth C]

He could if he were offered one, but he won't be.

It's more likely hillary will get an offer (which I also don't think will happen).

Yeah, I know neither will happen. I don't like Hillary, so I'm happy about that. I think I just find Bill to be entertaining. MSNBC should offer him a job, like an old football player would get on ESPN.

I'm pretty sure he can't, not that he ever would want to. Succession would make it an issue.

That was actually what I was curious about. However he could easily be skipped over in succession, as several people in line right now are not eligible to be President anyway (not natural born citizens I believe).

 

[glistenm]

Bush gave a short speech today? anyone have a link to it.

 

[bob_arctor]

Pretty much. I'm Hispanic and I feel like Obama broke the glass ceiling for those of darker colors. When I have kids, I'll be able to say them and honestly mean it that they too can be President. A week ago, I wouldn't have been able to say that. It is such an amazing feeling.

Word. Gonna show my kids his speech tonight when I get home.

 

[Hootie]

So what will Obama's big message be in the '12 election? This one was ALL about change in Washington, but by then he will be the big man. :lol

 

[RubxQub]

Bush gave a short speech today? anyone have a link to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZCPHFDzxOk

 

[GoutPatrol]

I'm pretty sure he can't, not that he ever would want to. Succession would make it an issue.

Wouldn't they just skip him?

 

[Son of Godzilla]

British tabloid drops topless Page 3 girl for Obama

Yet fapping actually went up.

I misread that and thought you said tabloid drops Page 3 for topless Obama Girl

 

[The Blue Jihad]

Hypnosis trumps all that.

 

[Macam]

Most of what I am hearing offhand is that Republicans are blaming the actors of movement conservatism ( Bush, old corrupt Republican congress ) and the effects of movement conservatism ( financial shitheap, record deficits ), but not actually taking any real look at said conservatism at all as being possibly flawed.

Expect more crazy policy ideas from the looney farm in the next couple of years.

Good. That'll give us time to start consolidating the gains of the current coalition.

Haha, you were there too? We eventually had to practically drag one of our friends from the crowd after an hour on the street so we could go home.

Briefly. I watched most of it at home with my girlfriend before going out. I just wanted to make sure I could hear Obama's speech and follow some of the down ticket races before I started doing brain and liver damage.

And whenever Incognito gets back, we're going to have assemble the Austin area Poli-GAF crew just once.

 

[Fragamemnon]

Why can't we blame neocons again? What is wrong with true moderate conservatism? Bush was not proof of anything other than neocons sucks.

Bush's economic team was full of raging supply-siders and free market fundies, too. I'd say that America probably rejected that particular extreme more than it did neoconservatism last night.

 

[electricpirate]

Halperin's still a tool, but this line made me chuckle,

McCain: "Lost his bearings as often as he failed to drive a message, and presided over a campaign so disorganized and faction-filled, it might as well have been the effort of a Democrat."

 

[Tamanon]

Wouldn't they just skip him?

Nah, otherwise ex-Presidents would be eligible to be Veep.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

HEY GUYS WHAT ARE THE NEW GALLUP NUMBERS FOR TODAY??

Spoiler

=(

Obama 100 Mccain 0

 

[typhonsentra]

"President uh man of Kenya" :lol

Rush Limbaugh dittoheads, never change.

 

[Slurpy]

Man, it seems like everyone around me today has an extra spring in their step. They're smiling just a bit more. Everyone just looks livelier. I feel it.. like a huge burden off my shoulders. Its a magical feeling, one that I hope does not dissipate soon.