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[Kagero]

I don't think this is in any way the last console gen, but I think going forward post-PS5 it is going to be a whole different beast than what we are used to today...



I don't think they will wait until Nov 2020, my money is on Sept 9, 2020 which would put it right at the 25 year mark for the PS1 in the US market. I am really hoping it will have 12-14TF, I know the 14TF is pushing it, but hopefully it is not below 12TF...

I believe the PS6 or whatever form PlayStation takes will be a service/app.

 

[MadAnon]

Jason also just posted this:

Look, as I've been saying since roughly March 2018 (in this very thread), next-gen is coming in 2020. That Semiaccurate article saying 2018 (lol) got people's hopes up for 2019, but by now I hope it's clear that the PS5 ain't coming out this fall.

And, despite all the rumors about devkits being out (usually from rumormongers who are wrong more often than not), the number of people briefed on next-gen is still very limited. Even within companies like, say, DICE, there'll be a small team of engineers who now have a rough idea of specs, and everyone else will know when they need to know. Not a lot of devs are disclosed on next-gen right now.

In other words, don't expect much in the way of substantial leakage just yet. The only thing to know for sure is that both Sony and Microsoft are aiming higher than that "10.7 teraflops" number that Google threw out last week. (And, as has been reported, Microsoft's got a few things in the works.)

The fact that Sony will not be at E3 is enough evidence that there'll be no PS5 in 2019.

 

[Kagero]

But the gaming audience isn't demanding "streaming" only consoles that much. We like it as an option, but how many of us actually want it as the only means to play games?

I agree, but this is out of Sony’s hand. They have to evolve. They even said themselves that mainstream streaming will take about five years, which is perfect timing for the PS6. Its already begun with google and Apple. MS is leaning hard towards streaming as well. As of right now gamers are against it because it sucks. In five years it’s going to be phenomenal.

 

[Journey]

That's so bad even for a fake...
Render of a PS2+PS4 = PS5...facepalm.

Maybe that's intentional. For their 25th anniversary and 5th PlayStation, they are merging features from all 5 into 1? The triangular symbol from 1, the Blue light from 2, the piano finish from 3 and the slant design from 4 = PS5?

 

[Geki-D]

There's no way this "forensics" a thing is it? Can people really run a picture through something to get this result? I have no clue.

it is. It checks for compression. Obviously you take a pic of something, the compression all over is going to be the same. You photoshop something, adding in multiple images and some might have been more compressed than others.

Notice here how all outlines look the same and the same colors appear throughout:

 

[JMarcell]

I Just hope it's powerful. Anything less than 12 Teraflops and I will be disappointed.

 

[mckmas8808]

I agree, but this is out of Sony’s hand. They have to evolve. They even said themselves that mainstream streaming will take about five years, which is perfect timing for the PS6. Its already begun with google and Apple. MS is leaning hard towards streaming as well. As of right now gamers are against it because it sucks. In five years it’s going to be phenomenal.

It's completely in Sony's hands. In the same way, it's in Nintendo's hands to not compete power wise with MS and Sony. The tail doesn't get to wag the dog. And in this example, Sony is the dog and video game streaming is the tail.

 

[demigod]

Jason also just posted this:

Look, as I've been saying since roughly March 2018 (in this very thread), next-gen is coming in 2020. That Semiaccurate article saying 2018 (lol) got people's hopes up for 2019, but by now I hope it's clear that the PS5 ain't coming out this fall.

And, despite all the rumors about devkits being out (usually from rumormongers who are wrong more often than not), the number of people briefed on next-gen is still very limited. Even within companies like, say, DICE, there'll be a small team of engineers who now have a rough idea of specs, and everyone else will know when they need to know. Not a lot of devs are disclosed on next-gen right now.

In other words, don't expect much in the way of substantial leakage just yet. The only thing to know for sure is that both Sony and Microsoft are aiming higher than that "10.7 teraflops" number that Google threw out last week. (And, as has been reported, Microsoft's got a few things in the works.)

Since when has Jason been right about any next gen? The only thing I've seen him being right about is days before something is announced. Also Zhuge said dev kits were out in dec/jan already and nobody disputed that. Also it's already been speculated that it'll be over 10Tflops, he doesn't even know the exact specs.

 

[Ar¢tos]

In the next 5 years they will nail streaming. You won’t need a console to play games. Also, DVD and CD players are cheap as heck to produce. Consoles, not so much.

Not even in 10 years fast Internet will have worldwide coverage to remove the need of local processing.
Let's not forget the latency too. How do you sell game streaming to fighting competitions like EVO in your imaginary console free next gen future? (post ps5)

 

[sendit]

Photo leaks usually don't come with dimensional specs.

So you came to this conclusion by 'eyeballing' the image with no dimensional specs that it is in fact a larger game-pad in comparison to the DS4.

 

[Kagero]

Not even in 10 years fast Internet will have worldwide coverage to remove the need of local processing.
Let's not forget the latency too. How do you sell game streaming to fighting competitions like EVO in your imaginary console free next gen future? (post ps5)

Book mark this convo and let’s come back in two years

 

[Kagero]

It's completely in Sony's hands. In the same way, it's in Nintendo's hands to not compete power wise with MS and Sony. The tail doesn't get to wag the dog. And in this example, Sony is the dog and video game streaming is the tail.

I want consoles to live forever but it ain’t happening man. Tech moves wayyyy too fast, and it’s only getting faster. This isn’t even my own thought. Sony themselves mentioned this may be their last gen, and it makes more sense to me then it doesn’t.

 

[demigod]

So you came to this conclusion by 'eyeballing' the image with no dimensional specs that it is in fact a larger game-pad in comparison to the DS4.

Yeah you got a problem with that? It's called an opinion.

 

[recklesscognition]

It would be cool if that digital patent turned out to be a trade in program where you turn in your old games and you get to stream them free on the ps5.

 

[CyberPanda]

That concave design will take in crumbs, dust, grease, you name it.

Perfect. They can be used for storage and for snacking later.

 

[llien]

Well, that basically means a discrete GPU - separated from CPU, unlike APU where both are on the same chip. Like this Kaby Lake-G...

Uh, but doesn't PS4 use separate (although tightly integrated) GPU chip as well?

 

[sendit]

Yeah you got a problem with that? It's called an opinion.

Blatant bullshit deserves to be called out.

 

[demigod]

Blatant bullshit deserves to be called out.

What bullshit? What are you calling out? lol. It's an opinion, stop crying.

 

[sendit]

What bullshit? What are you calling out? lol. It's an opinion, stop crying.

The opinion card when your original post stated otherwise.

"Damn, that looks real now. For the people complaining about how small the DS controllers are, this might be your answer. They made it fat. I hope I can use my DS4. "

Come on now.....

 

[demigod]

The opinion card when your original post stated otherwise.

"Damn, that looks real now. For the people complaining about how small the DS controllers are, this might be your answer. They made it fat. I hope I can use my DS4. "

Come on now.....

That's an opinion, I didn't say it was a FACT. It's my opinion that they made it bigger. You are ignorant.

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

Not even in 10 years fast Internet will have worldwide coverage to remove the need of local processing.
Let's not forget the latency too. How do you sell game streaming to fighting competitions like EVO in your imaginary console free next gen future? (post ps5)

One thing that would be interesting is if for the PS6 it ends up being a $1000 (just throwing a high number out there) powerhouse console, incredibly fast, etc. and then for the casual gamer that doesn't want to drop that amount of money on a gaming system they could instead just signup for Playstation Now and play the same PS6 games over streaming (albiet with more latency, etc.), I could definitely see something like this happen in the future.

 

[MadAnon]

Uh, but doesn't PS4 use separate (although tightly integrated) GPU chip as well?

Here's a picture of Ryzen 5 2400G APU without its lid. PS4 also has an APU

As you can see the CPU and GPU are not separate chips but are one silicon chunk on the same interposer. Compare to that Kaby Lake-G picture I posted where you can see that CPU and GPU are separate chips but still on the same interposer.

Here's a real life picture for better illustration

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[mckmas8808]

Here's a picture of Ryzen 5 2400G APU without its lid. PS4 also has an APU

As you can see the CPU and GPU are not separate chips but are one silicon chunk on the same interposer. Compare to that Kaby Lake-G picture I posted where you can see that CPU and GPU are separate chips but still on the same interposer.

Here's a real life picture for better illustration

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Thanks for the picture comparisons. Why would the GPU being separate be better for the PS5?

 

[Fake]

Thanks for the picture comparisons. Why would the GPU being separate be better for the PS5?

Maybe temp?

 

[MadAnon]

Thanks for the picture comparisons. Why would the GPU being separate be better for the PS5?

My guess would be because of 7 nm process costs and yields. Bigger chips have lower yields so producing smaller chips and putting them on one interposer are more cost efficient. Ryzen threadripper CPUs are already designed like this. Instead of having one huge 32 core silicon chip, you have 4 separate 8 core chiplets on one interposer connected and working as one.

 

[Ar¢tos]

My guess would be because of 7 nm process costs and yields. Bigger chips have lower yields so producing smaller chips and putting them on one interposer are more cost efficient. Ryzen threadripper CPUs are designed like this already. Instead of having one huge 32 core silicon chip, you have 4 separate 8 core chiplets on one interposer connected and working as one.

Won't have the GPU separate from the CPU prevent a unified memory system? Or is there a solution for that?

 

[Silver Wattle]

Have people forgotten about those people that build legit looking but not functional fakes?

 

[Imtjnotu]

Maybe temp?

My guess is for temp and so AMD can move over to using infinity fabric for its partners.

 

[llien]

Here's a picture of Ryzen 5 2400G APU without its lid. PS4 also has an APU

Well, Ryzen 5 2400G being an APU doesn't necessarily mean PS4 is, but it actually is:

 

[SonGoku]

More like 12GB GDDR6 + 4GB DDR4 or 16GB GDDR6 + 8GB DDR4.

I don't think well see a split pool for games, at most it will be a separate pool for background os tasks
32 GDDR6 ain't that crazy, is the 512bit bus needed to drive that memory that's costly

Anyone know whats the top bandwith you can get from 32gb of gddr6 on a 256bit bus?

 

[MadAnon]

Well, Ryzen 5 2400G being an APU doesn't necessarily mean PS4 is, but it actually is:

Doesn't necessarily mean PS4 has APU!!?? Not sure what you mean by this when PS4 has a custom AMD APU.

 

[Xyphie]

Given that Zen 2 is a MCM design makes a 2-die design very likely. All you need is a die with a GPU, memory controllers and a Infinity Fabric link to connect it to a off-the-shelf Zen 2 die.

Anyone know whats the top bandwith you can get from 32gb of gddr6 on a 256bit bus?

Depends on GDDR6 clock speeds, between 14-16Gb/s seems likely, doubt a console would have faster bins.

256/8 * 14-16 = 448-512GB/s

 

[The Mad Draklor]

I don't know what to make of these, maybe new PS5 controller maybe?? Any Thoughts??

I hope this isn't real because bye-bye battery life if true.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I hope this isn't real because bye-bye battery life if true.

I think that a good OLED display at that size, resolution, and brightness (I doubt the refresh rate will be 60Hz either, but I may be wrong) should still allow the controller to have decent battery life. It looks bulky enough to store a decent battery, but not too bulky to be unwieldy.

I do not see the battery in mAh to be wildly different than what Switch has (of course it is not going to be the same ) and Switch needs to do a whole lot more local processing of data and has a much brighter and power hungry LCD display to power... and still manages almost 3 hours playing Zelda: BotW...

 

[SonGoku]

I hope this isn't real because bye-bye battery life if true.

If Sony wasn't so cheap and put a actually good battery in there a tiny oled wouldn't be a problem
What worries me is them going the cheap route with battery again, screen or not.

At least make it user replaceable so users can upgrade.

 

[TLZ]

It will be a repeat of 2013, dev-kit leaks will come around Q1 of 2020 so until then I don't expect anything solid.

Until Ubisoft get theirs and can't help leak

Have people forgotten about those people that build legit looking but not functional fakes?

Need that tree in the background.

 

[rəddəM]

You all think 16GB GDDR6 dedicated for games only is not enough?
Does even 4k ray traced PC games use this much VRAM?

 

[Insane Metal]

You all think 16GB GDDR6 dedicated for games only is not enough?
Does even 4k ray traced PC games use this much VRAM?

I think the max games use today is around 10-11GB. Today, 2019. Let's see in 4 years. Also that isn't JUST for graphics. It's the total RAM for games. The rest of the RAM (supposing it'll have a separate DDR4 pool) is for OS features.

 

[ethomaz]

This popped up today:


Just keeping PS5 rumors in one thread.

Taken from:

I can’t see the pic.

 

[thelastword]

I think PS5 will easily have 32GB of memory or more when all is said and done....Any PS5 specs right now is preliminary, the memory and even storage situation is going to be much better in two years.....People should remember that PS4 got a boost of double the memory config pretty late into the development cycle....

 

[Fake]

I can’t see the pic.

Was removed.

 

[SonGoku]

You all think 16GB GDDR6 dedicated for games only is not enough?
Does even 4k ray traced PC games use this much VRAM?

Dont use console games ported to PC as a indicator of how much next gen is gonna use
If next gen consoles ship with 16gb devs will make do with it, but that doesn't make it a big leap, its barely an upgrade over the X (not even 2x)

 

[Meh3D]

Since when has Jason been right about any next gen? The only thing I've seen him being right about is days before something is announced. Also Zhuge said dev kits were out in dec/jan already and nobody disputed that. Also it's already been speculated that it'll be over 10Tflops, he doesn't even know the exact specs.

Who is Zhuge and why would this person know any of this info?

 

[TLZ]

Who is Zhuge and why would this person know any of this info?

This guy.

 

[CyberPanda]

This guy.

Oh Mr. China Man.

 

[Meh3D]

This guy.

Great. Still not clear on the why this person's word would be treated as a fact check for some other rumor; he is subject to rumors just like the rest of us ordinary folk.

 

[Insane Metal]

Great. Still not clear on the why this person's word would be treated as a fact check for some other rumor; he is subject to rumors just like the rest of us ordinary folk.

He's a well known industry insider, works as an analyst and used to post here on neogaf before the apocalypse happened.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

Wasn't he banned before the apocalypse?

 

[joe_zazen]

Wasn't he banned before the apocalypse?

Yeah. Old gaf had a habit of eating posters that irritated mods even if they were a real benefit

 

[Shin]

Great. Still not clear on the why this person's word would be treated as a fact check for some other rumor; he is subject to rumors just like the rest of us ordinary folk.

It shouldn't, he got banned here because of whatever reason and GAF's moderating them back then were the best I've encountered since 2000+.
On top of that his information is in conflict with his current "home" is calling him out for feeding them inaccurate information (basically he fed them bullshit).
He's far removed from being relevant and is located in China these days, nothing he says should be taken at face value anymore as he isn't in the position to know.