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NPD Sales Results for November 2014 [Up3: NPD Data Error, AC:U #5]
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Shame it wasn't 6-7 months instead of 5. Would serve him right to miss E3. Not that it matters I guess as he'd just post whatever somewhere else and it'd make it back here anyways.
vpance
Member
Can't remember exactly but didn't MS project 1 billion dollars less in revenues for the division in their forecast recently? Or was it YoY performance. Anyhow I think they set aside huge subsidies for the Bone.
Even if they are always lumped together "Europe, ME and Others" isn't really a single market. Not even Europe is a single market.
The UK for example mirrors the US market much more than the European one.
You also have about 5 million different languages and rating agencies in Europe.
Justzisguyukno
Member
Now that I'm thinking about it.. did CBOAT ever release sales numbers before to begin with?
Sho_Nuff82
Member
1240k Xbone
840k PS4
245k Wii U
550k 3DS
Search the thread for software.
Even if you don't believe GAF insiders, the HW sales can be pieced together by the NPD percentage increases and decreases for Wii U/total console market, respectively, and the Xbox One official number of 1.2 million.
Cboat intentionally mislead (or depending on who you believe, accidentally did), which is why he was banned, it affected the first 20 pages of discussion with bad info.
And here we go.
gamechanger87
Member
Geek wire confirmed with NPD that MS sold 1.2m in the US. Tom Warren came in here and confirmed as well. Cream posted the pie chart which you can back into the XBO numbers based on the public Wii U numbers.
What other confirmation do you need?
CBOAT was also banned for trolling because his numbers were just thrown in to mes with people. Why else would he be banned if his numbers were close?
Can you please tell me why all our usual sources would be lying about the numbers? Take the blinders off man. MS had a great month. Took price cuts and pack ins but the U.S. will be a contest
SensibleSucker
Member
Not really sure how you reached the 150-200 figure. Could be me missing something.
The One originally went for 499 dollars. They unbundled Kinect, thereby saving 75 dollars or more in construction costs. That takes it to 425 straight away. MS can easily stretch to a 75 dollar hit per unit. The games and bundles do have a cost, but PS4 was/is getting similarly bundled too (GTA etc).
-Pyromaniac-
Member
ahhh so cboat got banned. Interesting. Craycray numbers. Except for wii U :| That is good for MS though. Momentum is everything in this industry imo. Keeping it up is key. If things go back to they were in the next few months it won't be so great.
I'll see you in a few hours.
I hardly believe Ps4 sold just 800k. Seems quite low for this month.
Sidewinder
Member
Nice win for MS, anything else would've been a massive slap in the face.
I don't think they'll go back to the old price, people react very badly to such things and they can't really afford it with their lineup untill late 2015.
I don't think they'll go back to the old price, people react very badly to such things and they can't really afford it with their lineup untill late 2015.
Sony isn't the one who needs to "claw back".
The difference is back to what it was as of august.
lol now I feel embarrassed as an Aussie ! lol
gamechanger87
Member
To my knowledge, never. Unless I'm mistaken I wouldn't imagine that MS make the NPD available to all internally. Maybe a congrats email with the numbers max, but he knew what he was doing. He waited until the thread came up and posted right away because he knew what it would do.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
$400 when your competitor was $70 cheaper. Not that surprising.
They wiped out their profits not by staying competitive, but by doing stupid shit and being overconfident. It was the exact opposite of being competitive. Their lead was wiped out before they course corrected. That's why they had to course correct.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Where are those multiple sources about 800k of the ps4? If you ask to me, around 800k seems quite low considering the normal npd month of the ps4.
Well you're gonna have to, because it did.
Journey
Banned
Holy MOG, what did I wake up to? CBOAT crashed MS party last night, last I checked it looked like this for MS fans.
CBOAT trolled it so hard that it was down to a tie. Not surprised he got banned, what did MS do to this man?
Nightengale
Member
In the first place, why would any attempt to catch a 'leaker' be something so intangible like 7-10k? MS has NPD reports, they know exactly how much they're ahead down to the single digits. Any comms sent out to employees with such a random statement is strange.
I agree that CBOAT did what he did because he knew what kind of reaction it would create. His 10 minutes of entertainment before getting busted by Cream/Cosmic.
Can you give some concrete prove? I want just that.
cartoon_soldier
Member
Can we have OP updated with these new figures?
We all know in what position Sony was/is after the PS3.I think the difference is that PS is a core business to Sony but Xbox is not so important to MS profits (similiar to WP or Surface) thats why i think MS is much more likely to limit budget of their Xbox/Devices division (Only if it gets really bad in revenue/profit).
Doesn't change the fact that Sony seems to divide them into Americas/EMEO/Asia, Japan. The link i've posted is directly from their investor relations day.
The poster i quoted said MS needs to go so deep that sony can't follow. I don't believe Sony would follow if MS cut the price to 250/200.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Sony had to drop the price in 3 consecutive years after launch in order to gain what was an eventual tie with the Xbox 360 ww. Given its higher manufacturing cost, it is accurate to say they bled money to stay competitive. Same with MS losing a billion for 360 returns or price dropping the original Xbox to be price matched with PS2 at $199.
If it is not official, OP will not be updated. i.e. OP will not have any inside info according to sales. Only official numbers & PR text.
Nightengale
Member
The real surprise was MS selling 1.2k million. That is an absurdly high figure, no matter how one scratches it.
In hindsight, it's not that unbelievable given that MS started November with a bang (349 with triple bundles), on top of Black Friday, but it's a great achievement.
Leaked stuff never ever goes in the OP
Phat Michael
Banned
I can scan all 1.2 million receipts for Xbox if you like. I also have the Sony receipts.
Bro creamsugar is the source, he's been giving data for months. CosmicQueso also pointed out that Microsoft had a sizable lead. He has NPD data as well.
Until I see actual proof then nothing is certain.
gamechanger87
Member
Look at Sho Nuffs numbers above. There was a pie chart posted by our source who is always right. Take the wii u 245k and do the geometry.
I know you don't want to believe it but it happened. The PS4 megabundaru sold around 330k. The ACU bundle alone sold around 700-800k for the XBO
gaming_noob
Member
You're not new to NPD threads so you must know by now they aren't allowed to divulge concrete data. Creamsugar has already given enough clues in this thread.
Stone Ocean
Member
You're not going to get actual proof, that's not how NPD works.
vpance
Member
If they're merely happy with tying MS in the US then you could look at it that way. 1 million buffer as of end of Oct was amazing for Sony, but considerably less so in a year's time, and again the following year.
Anyways it's mostly semantics.
Nightengale
Member
wotta, I think you're a swell guy, but that line of thought doesn't work here.
For better or worse, discussions are taking place on assumptions of trust that these numbers are real. We won't get the numbers officially, but alas.
I promise you, that is peanuts compared to how much they lost when the cell failed to take off and they had to loose 300 bucks per unit for 2 years straight.
Well then, you had better buy yourself an NPD account.
shinra-bansho
Member
3DS - fifteen not fifty.
Phat Michael
Banned
You should just accept it mate. And it really shouldn't mean that much to you. Deep breaths and relax..
PodcastFips
Member
I only read "if's" everywhere.
So the buttocks were banned because another leaker threw different numbers in here which also aren't confirmed yet?
Someone enlighten me please, I went to sleep after page 35.
cartoon_soldier
Member
Wow , so Xbox One did very well in the end. PS4 did "well" too.
gamechanger87
Member
Some of you just don't want to believe it, but it's what happened. Geek wire posted the number for MS which confirms the leaks.
Do you need the full officia NPD report to believe that MS won by 400k? I think some of you really need to reconsider things if you refuse to believe this number but you believed numbers from the same source for all previous months.