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PoliGAF General Election Thread of Conventions (Sarah Palin McCain VP Pick)
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AndersTheSwede said:
I don't disagree. I don't think this is going to help him in the long run. I don't think anything is. I think he's going to lose. I just think she gives him a better chance than most of the other choices, because most of them didn't bring anyone from across the aisle AND they cost him votes with his base.
McCain's been in a weird position from the beginning. In 2000, after the Bush campaign shattered his spine, he made a deal with the Republican party. He'd quit being so much of a Maverick and support Bush in return for support later. He thought that support would be useful, so he's bent his knee to the Bush guys over and over the last eight years, and then that support turned out to be an anvil around his neck.
It's why there's such cognitive dissonance about McCain. His history contains two entirely different candidates. The McCain of 2000 and post-2000 McCain.
I think he's fucked, but Palin at least gets him some serious press coverage, and ensures his base doesn't just sit home and watch him twist in the wind.
soul creator
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Obama obviously spoke out against the war, has repeatedly spoke about it on the campaign trail, has detailed policy information on his website, worked on nuclear non-proliferation in the senate, etc. He taught constitutional law, spent 8 years in the state senate, and about 3 1/2 years in the US Senate. He's campaigned for 18 months, brought down the Clinton machine, and is registering record numbers of voters and is one of the most gifted orators in many people's eyes.
Sarah Palin is governor of one of the tiniest states population-wise in the union, and was mayor of a town that's smaller than a House Rep's congressional district. She also was selected by John McCain, someone she barely knows, and hasn't done any extensive national campaigning. And as far as I can tell, she doesn't even have a foreign policy stance.
How the hell does someone say the experience argument "equally" applies to both of them?
Sarah Palin is governor of one of the tiniest states population-wise in the union, and was mayor of a town that's smaller than a House Rep's congressional district. She also was selected by John McCain, someone she barely knows, and hasn't done any extensive national campaigning. And as far as I can tell, she doesn't even have a foreign policy stance.
How the hell does someone say the experience argument "equally" applies to both of them?
PhoenixDark
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http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
Who wins the judgment issue here, the guy who spent months vetting a wide variety of characters or the guy who arbitrarily chose someone in a last ditch effort.
McCain's age is officially open season.
Funky Papa said:You could always fap to an actual prime minister.
*paging sir fragula, paging sir fragula*
There is a correlation between goodlooking women close to the seat of power and the oil/gas industry.
Yulia was on the Gazprom board, when Gazprom was not a tool for the Russian government. Palin has links through association with BP (Amoco -> BP-Amoco ->BP).
Illuminati
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Princess Leia in a gold bikini?Funky Papa said:You could always fap to an actual prime minister.
*paging sir fragula, paging sir fragula*
BenjaminBirdie
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reilo said:
The fact there's EVEN THIS DEBATE on television, on all the news networks tells you what a god awful choice this was. Instant doubt, right at jump street. It took Obama TWO YEARS to erase the doubt America had in him and he's....pretty much one of the most gifted politicians of our time with one of the smartest teams around.
She has three months.
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It seems like Evangelicals might be the Repubs most reliable base, but a not insignificant portion are dissatisfied with being treated like grunt soldiers while having little delivered to them. Plus, the issues that really matter most seems to be changing a bit. The Republicans will almost certainly get the larger share of their vote, but having some votes and actively campaigning for him are two different things.Hitokage said:
"Energizing the base" amounts to the same thing as getting 2 points in basketball with a dunk instead of a jump shot. It's the same 2 points, but with a little more glee for the home team. Doesn't make you more likely to win the game than a jump shot would've, though.
Palin is an all-or-nothing pick. They get the Hillary voters and win and it was one of the wisest moves in American political history. They don't, and it's going down as one of the worst political moves in American political history.
edit: Unless they lose in a very close race with strong female support. Then I guess it doesn't go down as such a terrible move.
Palin is an all-or-nothing pick. They get the Hillary voters and win and it was one of the wisest moves in American political history. They don't, and it's going down as one of the worst political moves in American political history.
edit: Unless they lose in a very close race with strong female support. Then I guess it doesn't go down as such a terrible move.
BenjaminBirdie
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VALIS said:
Exactly.
This is what it is. In terms of a distraction? In terms of solving the problems of the McCain campaign? It's a gamechanger all right. It's solving the problem of a headache by CUTTING OFF YOUR FUCKING LEGS.
Head's not bothering you anymore is it?
Illuminati
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Hmm weird, n/m
maximum360
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Cafferty: Does McCain Undercut His Own Message With VP Pick? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6MVmv1OY6Q
PhoenixDark said:
The way they did this also means that there was only a superficial vetting of Palin and that everything she has ever done as a governor hasn't been properly assessed. She might have said some comments and picked some stances that could come back to bite her in the ass as the media and, most importantly the liberal blogosphere apply considerable scrutiny to each and every thing that she has ever said in order to decribilize her.
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theviolenthero
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BenjaminBirdie said:
Two months.
Illuminati
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Someone's ass is bleeding? Now this is an issue I can get behind!Freedom = $1.05 said:
BenjaminBirdie
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theviolenthero said:
:lol
Oh. My. God.
TheGrayGhost
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DAYUMN!!! Jack Cafferty IS DA MAN!!!!!! Someone have better YouTube'd it!!!!
VALIS said:
I give a little more credit than that to american voters and to the Obama's campaign message machine. Of couse right now she might seem like an option to a fairly sizeable share of women voters, but it's not like her social values aren't an insult to most self respecting women (not allowing abortion even in cases of incest? Is this the 60s again?) and the Obama campaign, their surrogates and Hillary Clinton will be there to drill this in the head of the voters until November.
Palin would be a great pick if you could pick your VP a week before the election. She looks appealing to women at first but I think that as soon as people know more about her positions she will end up hurting the ticket by not bringing anything more than boobs and a nice smile to it.
will123456
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Wow at Cafferty. :lol
TheGrayGhost
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maximum360 said:
Cafferty, THAT's straight-talk.
Damn. You guys should check out what he said in The Situation Room just now.
reilo said:
Exactly. The Keyes example is perfect.
BenjaminBirdie said:
She was picked this morning and has already been ripped apart. Compare the reaction to her to the reaction to Biden.
The most people on both sides really said about Biden was two things:
1) He's a long-time Washington insider and thus could undermine Obama's change message.
2) He's a walking gaffe-machine.
Both of which are ultimately trivial in terms of having any actual impact on Obama's chances. Obama hasn't lost any of his "change candidate" luster since picking Biden, and last night's speech was pretty much the nail in the coffin on that particular issue. And as for point #2, Biden would have to say something truly obnoxious to hurt Obama at all, and he's been very professional so far.
Palin, however, is getting ripped apart based on how competent she is, which is a lot more serious and certainly not a misgiving anybody sensible had about Biden. The Palin pick reminds me a lot of Harriet Miers.
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Possibly, but she's so green she's pretty much a blank slate. We'll see how things work out. Apart from that trooper-in-law stuff, she sounds alright.Kildace said:
The big strength of getting someone so fresh to GOP politics and from such remote place is that she hasn't had a chance to build up the unavoidable dirt that would be unescapable in the modern Republican party.
Escape Goat
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Is Sarah Palin really Diane Keaton?
Ummm I've read it once or twice in this thread, but guys... I feel sorry for McCain.
As much as maverick, a reformist, a leader, he is, he was PUSSY-WHOOPED by his party to nominate her as his VP. If he truly had a choice, we would have Lieberman.
Poor guy. Not only on policy, but now he is being pushed around by his party regarding HIS campaign.
As much as maverick, a reformist, a leader, he is, he was PUSSY-WHOOPED by his party to nominate her as his VP. If he truly had a choice, we would have Lieberman.
Poor guy. Not only on policy, but now he is being pushed around by his party regarding HIS campaign.
theviolenthero
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BenjaminBirdie said:
Did i mis-read your original post?
TheGrayGhost
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demon said:
Seriously. I guess there are social-conservatives out there who approve of this decision, but really, she is way out of her element if you listen to her speak. I normally don't post this often in PoliGAF, but I just can't believe the choice.
The stuff that many of you are talking about, about how the juxtaposition between this two people is discordant, wooden, and awkward, about how this places into question McCain's judgement, this is the stuff either Biden or Obama have to seize on in the days ahead.
PhoenixDark
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McCain is being called the third term of Bush, but with this pick as well as the various other decisions which show a truly shocking level of campaign handler/adviser control over him, a comparison to Reagan's second term might be more appropriate
BotoxAgent
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wow @ all the bad shit Ive been hearing about her.
Did McCain even vet this woman?
Did McCain even vet this woman?
BenjaminBirdie
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theviolenthero said:
No, I honestly didn't realize it was only two. I being even stunneder.
The Librarian
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"After his attacks on Obama's readiness for the job, it'll be amusing to hear a 72-year-old with a history of health problems justify this decision, said Jim Jordan, a veteran Democratic strategist. "She's a talent, but that's the end of the experience message from John McCain."grandjedi6 said:
Good article.
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BotoxAgent said:
McCain probably though the press would go, "OMG, Palin, this is historical" and they would press would hype this to no tomorrow. So far, any buzz from the "historical" argument has been almost completely subdued by the "she is inexperienced" argument. The talk shows should be interesting this weekend.
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